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The Toy Stun Gun, Ruthee, 11:40:18, 3/26/2000 No pun intended?, lee2, 11:44:09, 3/26/2000, (#1) Super!, sarah, 11:50:13, 3/26/2000, (#2) Ruthie...., rose, 11:50:18, 3/26/2000, (#3) Mr. Kane, Ruthee, 11:53:47, 3/26/2000, (#4) Ruthee, kdubois2, 11:54:37, 3/26/2000, (#5) Kudbois and Sarah, Ruthee, 12:01:36, 3/26/2000, (#6) Interesting, Cutter, 12:04:27, 3/26/2000, (#7) Cutter, Ruthee, 12:12:57, 3/26/2000, (#8) Ruthee, Real Stormy, 12:16:02, 3/26/2000, (#9) Ruthee!, reporter, 12:43:06, 3/26/2000, (#11) Seal, Ruthee, 12:41:53, 3/26/2000, (#10) Oh Ruthee ... !, CynAnne, 13:31:20, 3/26/2000, (#13) Mr. Reporter, Ruthee, 12:50:57, 3/26/2000, (#12) Wow Ruthee, momo, 13:56:03, 3/26/2000, (#14) Please repost, Peaches, 14:16:58, 3/26/2000, (#15) Peaches, Ruthee, 14:19:59, 3/26/2000, (#17) ruthee, mame, 14:19:07, 3/26/2000, (#16) let me get this straight,Ruthe..., Edie Pratt, 14:24:00, 3/26/2000, (#20) Help, Ruthee, 14:22:49, 3/26/2000, (#19) Way to go Ruthee!, doc, 14:22:34, 3/26/2000, (#18) CynAnne, Ruthee, 14:37:10, 3/26/2000, (#21) Thank you , Ruthee ! , CynAnne, 15:27:28, 3/26/2000, (#25) Puhleeze, CynAnne,, LurkerXIV, 16:51:13, 3/26/2000, (#32) Lurker , you're too much !, CynAnne, 17:27:40, 3/26/2000, (#35) Edie, Ruthee, 14:46:37, 3/26/2000, (#22) Ruthee, Pope38, 15:04:17, 3/26/2000, (#23) loom marks, darby, 15:23:31, 3/26/2000, (#24) pot holder loom link, lee2, 15:45:42, 3/26/2000, (#27) Ruthee,, WitchyWoman, 15:45:29, 3/26/2000, (#26) looms, fly, 16:32:36, 3/26/2000, (#28) Fly,, WitchyWoman, 16:39:31, 3/26/2000, (#29) Stun Gun Pics, Cutter, 16:45:52, 3/26/2000, (#30) Cutter, mame, 16:46:57, 3/26/2000, (#31) Ruthee, Tony, 17:02:42, 3/26/2000, (#34) "mame", Cutter, 16:52:58, 3/26/2000, (#33) Revised Stun Gun Theory, Seashell, 17:52:08, 3/26/2000, (#37) Peace, timmmmmm, 17:45:23, 3/26/2000, (#36) Darby/Fly, Ruthee, 18:07:53, 3/26/2000, (#38) Cutter, Ruthee, 18:35:56, 3/26/2000, (#39) Ruthee, darby, 18:42:37, 3/26/2000, (#40) Cutter, Twinkle, 19:08:00, 3/26/2000, (#43) Darby, Ruthee, 18:57:59, 3/26/2000, (#41) Chat, Ruthee, 19:01:03, 3/26/2000, (#42) Ruthee, fly, 19:40:43, 3/26/2000, (#45) OH...MY GOD!! , CaringMom, 19:37:11, 3/26/2000, (#44) Great Conceptualizing Ruthee!, Dr. Who, 07:31:25, 3/27/2000, (#46) Dr.Who, Ruthee, 08:47:26, 3/27/2000, (#47) Well Holmes,er Ruthee..., Dr. Who, 09:06:04, 3/27/2000, (#48) Great Ruthee, Dianne E., 09:21:15, 3/27/2000, (#49) Ruthee...Chief Beckner, Cassandra, 09:58:20, 3/27/2000, (#51) Ruthee, Denver, 09:57:38, 3/27/2000, (#50) Man, this give me the creeps, Watching you, 10:11:22, 3/27/2000, (#52) Actually Watching You..., Dr. Who, 10:22:31, 3/27/2000, (#53) Dianne, Ruthee, 10:43:21, 3/27/2000, (#55) Wow...I just visited Ruthies w..., CaringMom, 11:07:16, 3/27/2000, (#56) Yea, but, Dr. who, Watching you, 10:31:32, 3/27/2000, (#54) ................................................................... "The Toy Stun Gun" Posted by Ruthee on 11:40:18 3/26/2000 Patsy should really keep quiet. The famous Stun Gun is a toy....yep. I'm doing a web page with pix to show ya. But I won't keep you in suspense. Yesterday I bought "the stun gun" in the toy department of K-mart. Price: $1.99. I saw a photo of JBR's dresser and floor and there it was......the "stun gun". The potholder loom. Patsy told me on one of the interviews that she just didn't know where the loom went. I'll bet she does know where it went because the marks on JBR's body came from the prongs on the loom. Yep. Right size and kind of a square appearance that was depicted in the drawing of the marks shown as made by Smit's stun gun. The hair ties that the tabs reported as being scattered across JBR's bedroom floor. No no no. Patsy told me that they were the fabric circles that went to the potholder loom. They look like hair ties but they're not. Patsy that's when I knew. Why do you just keep telling me this stuff? The loom was on the dresser on the same side as the disturbed drape panel. Guess what got mixed up in the scuffle and scattered over the floor. Guess what made contact with JonBenet's body in two places. One on her back and one on her calf. I'll have some photos on the web site, but you can bet your stun gun that Detective Smit just didn't let the evidence lead where it may. Want a Stun Gun of your own. Go to K-mart and buy Craft House Weaving Loom Set. Happy weaving Patsy. Buy the way, when is it that I can see your next "interview?" [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "No pun intended?" Posted by lee2 on 11:44:41 3/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:44:41, 3/26/2000 this could be a looming piece of evidence. Actually, Ruthee, I noticed that loom in one of the photos, too, because I think I had one as a kid. p.s. I will be looking forward to your link! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. " Super!" Posted by sarah on 11:50:13 3/26/2000 ....i love intelligent people... Ruthee, did you go and figure out a massive piece of evidence, or what??? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Ruthie...." Posted by rose on 11:50:18 3/26/2000 I saw a picture of that loom in JB's room. I really think you might be right. Can't wait to see your thoughts in full. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Mr. Kane" Posted by Ruthee on 11:55:20 3/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:55:20, 3/26/2000 Run don't walk to your nearest K-Mart. By the time you get there a mysterious woman in black will have purchased every Craft House Loom in "this country." edit to assure you that mine is under lock and key in my "Ramsey evidence storage locker." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Ruthee" Posted by kdubois2 on 11:54:37 3/26/2000 Wow are you sharp! I had one of those looms when i was a kid. I can still remember it. Those marks would match the loom perfectly. I think one should be sent to the BPD, also LS. You are one sharp cookie Ruthee! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Kudbois and Sarah" Posted by Ruthee on 12:01:36 3/26/2000 I really didn't figure it out. Patsy sat right there and told me. When she volunteered that she didn't know what happened to the loom, I knew. She's trying to cover so many bases that she making excuses for things that she should really be ignoring. Is there anything you may have to tell me about the original stairway in the Boulder house, Patsy? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Interesting" Posted by Cutter on 12:04:27 3/26/2000 Ruthee, If you're doing a web site with photos, make sure you use that loom to make a couple of marks in your own skin and put them up as evidence! It would be nice if you could do a comparison to the 20/20 sketches and title the page "Guess Again, Baba"... :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Cutter" Posted by Ruthee on 12:12:57 3/26/2000 I'm using a potato to show the marks. Life is sweet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Ruthee" Posted by Real Stormy on 12:16:02 3/26/2000 This is the best sleuthing in a long time. Congrats. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Ruthee!" Posted by reporter on 12:43:06 3/26/2000 I was reading this thread to Mr. reporter as he ate his lunch as an example of why I really believe that we humble people on Justice Watch will someday be known as the ones who solved the case. "What a great story that would make", said he. "Collective Detectives". Whoever on this site is catologing all the stuff for our eventual use, remember you heard the phrase Collective Detectives here first! Not private detective, but collective! Great job Ruthee and I look forward to the new work at your site. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Seal" Posted by Ruthee on 12:41:53 3/26/2000 As a matter of fact, yes it did come to me in one of my "psychic moments." I just use a differnt description. Patsy didn't use the loom on JonBenet. I don't think you're paying too much attention to what I'm saying. But then it's not really you that counts, is it? Looks like you may believe that I'm saying that Patsy Ramsey picked up the loom and used it as a "stun gun" on JonBenet. I'll have to admit that is an indication of your intellect, but that's not the case. That soundss like something Smit might say. You may want to attempt your own study to see what happens when you attempt to use the loom as a stun gun. I'm sure you can blow my assumptions all to hell. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Oh Ruthee ... !" Posted by CynAnne on 13:31:20 3/26/2000 LOL - I'd like to see the upcoming video of the criminal who's been disarmed with a deadly loom ! Those elastic bands can be used as weapons , too - hook one over the tip of your thumb , pull back , aim , and fire away - POW ! Right in the eye - take that , you ' small foreign faction ' ... ! ;) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Mr. Reporter" Posted by Ruthee on 12:50:57 3/26/2000 You have the copywrite on "Collective Detective" I won't forget. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Wow Ruthee" Posted by momo on 13:56:03 3/26/2000 I absolutely Can't wait to see your great sleuthing debut on your web page. Please hurry!!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Please repost" Posted by Peaches on 14:16:58 3/26/2000 your website. I can not locate it. Thanks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Peaches" Posted by Ruthee on 14:19:59 3/26/2000 The page is not finished yet. the General web site is http://www.webbsleuthss.com [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "ruthee" Posted by mame on 14:19:07 3/26/2000 great sleuthing job! holly's gonna love this! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "let me get this straight,Ruthee" Posted by Edie Pratt on 14:24:00 3/26/2000 are you saying JB was hit with the loom, or she fell on it? I had one of those looms, too, made a million potholders. Awesome insight, Ruthee! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Help" Posted by Ruthee on 14:22:49 3/26/2000 can anyone provide me with a screen capture of the Smit Stun Gun drawing that was on the Barbara Walters interview. I'll pay all the money I've collected from my beer can collecting so far. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Way to go Ruthee!" Posted by doc on 14:22:34 3/26/2000 Excellent-absolutely superior deduction. I can't wait to see your page. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "CynAnne" Posted by Ruthee on 14:37:10 3/26/2000 Priceless. I just see it now. The great Stun Gun Attack. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Thank you , Ruthee ! " Posted by CynAnne on 15:36:11 3/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:36:11, 3/26/2000 " The Great Stun Gun Attack " - It sounds like one of those ' real-life drama' shows ! Who will host the ' show ' , I wonder ? Maybe Michael Tracey could be tempted into a sequel ( of sorts ) - that toney-sounding British accent goes over well with the " A&E " viewers . Or perhaps Lou Smit himself , demonstrating for the breathless masses " Just how dangerous a hobby can be , in the WRONG hands ! " ( hee-hee ) ... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Puhleeze, CynAnne," Posted by LurkerXIV on 16:51:13 3/26/2000 That Liverpudlian accent of Tracey's is the lowest dialect of British English. Calling 'enry 'iggins!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Lurker , you're too much !" Posted by CynAnne on 17:27:40 3/26/2000 You're right ( besides funny ! ) , though ... The Beatles sounded the same , but THEY had sooo much charm you didn't mind the dropped ' h ' when you heard it - Tracey reminds me of the British version of a ' lounge lizard ' , ewww ... ! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Edie" Posted by Ruthee on 14:51:28 3/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:51:28, 3/26/2000 I think she may have fallen on it. I think she was thrown around the bed or floor and came in contact with it twice. I believe it's possible that the drape panel came into contact with the loom and got caught in the teeth and it was dragged onto the bed. When the loom was pulled from the dresser the loops were scattered to the floor. I don't see the loom listed on the warrant returns and from Patsy's statement on television, I believe she hid it. It's possible Pam removed it when she went to the house. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Ruthee" Posted by Pope38 on 15:04:17 3/26/2000 I too had a loom as a child. When I saw the picture I kept thinking one day I will see what is really in it. I did not believe my eyes. I thought that today's children don't play with such toys and that I was off a few years. You have seen the "stun gun" and I think you are 99.99% correct on the mark! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "loom marks" Posted by darby on 15:23:31 3/26/2000 Ruthee--I thought that the looms had lots of prongs. Are you saying that just two of the prongs happened to come in contact with JBR's skin? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "pot holder loom link" Posted by lee2 on 15:45:42 3/26/2000 http://www.maketoast.com/JBRamsey/llIlllIllllIlllllI/000dresser.jpg [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Ruthee," Posted by WitchyWoman on 15:45:29 3/26/2000 You really are a very intuitive person! I have been sick this week so when I signed on and this was uptop I was amazed at what you had come up with. You go girl, you are on the trail. WW [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "looms" Posted by fly on 16:32:36 3/26/2000 Ruthee - I had the same thought as darby. Also, the prongs are not far enough apart. And one more, the prongs are usually flat, not square as the "stun gun" marks were illustrated on the Ramsey interview. Interesting thoughts, but I don't think the loom is the key. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Fly," Posted by WitchyWoman on 16:39:31 3/26/2000 Don't you think those two on each corner might be the correct spacing? However, it seems if she fell on those it would have also left imprints of the little ones as well. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Stun Gun Pics" Posted by Cutter on 16:45:52 3/26/2000 Ruthee, Per your request, I have forwarded some photos of the stun gun marks to the email address listed on the web site URL you posted. If you use the photo from 20/20, make sure you mention that it was only an "artist's sketch". Maybe the Jamorons will finally get a clue and stop stroking themselves about how well the marks matched up...LOL! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Cutter" Posted by mame on 16:46:57 3/26/2000 would you mind sending those to me, too? I've been looking for those photos. thanks... mamensadie@yahoo.com [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Ruthee" Posted by Tony on 17:02:42 3/26/2000 Great detective work. Can't wait to see your site, and hir's also. Although I don't think hir's forum will have the slightest idea of what your talking about. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. ""mame"" Posted by Cutter on 16:52:58 3/26/2000 No problem. Should already be there... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Revised Stun Gun Theory" Posted by Seashell on 17:54:36 3/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:54:36, 3/26/2000 The killer came in, and in the dark, made pot holders for hours and hours and then later showed them to JBR who said they were godawful; the killer flew into a rage and killed her with the loom. Ruthee, this is super sleuthing. Can you put up a photo of the rendering of the marks on her? Is this loom plastic or metal? If plastic, would the prongs be sharp or strong enuf to have caused the damage? Might this have been used around her neck as a collar with padding under it that slipped enuf to cause the marks? I can't tell from the photo if it's big enuf to slip over a child. (why are the ends of the posts cut off?) NS is cranky today so I'm using IE [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Peace" Posted by timmmmmm on 17:45:23 3/26/2000 May JonBenet Rest In Peace, the truth is out there.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Darby/Fly" Posted by Ruthee on 18:07:53 3/26/2000 You're right the prongs are too close together except for the adjoining corner prongs. They appear to be the correct spacing. I tried the corner prongs on my arm and they leave the exact square looking marks as the drawing. The loom prongs are "rounded" on the top, but leave a square looking imprint. I guess I'm forgetting to say "IMHO". I just got too excited when I got home as actually saw the imprint on my skin. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Cutter" Posted by Ruthee on 18:35:56 3/26/2000 Thanks for the pix. Now I just have to figure out how to unzip them. The loom I had as a child was metal. The looms for children now are made of plastic. The old loom prongs were much narrower at the top than the ones they make for children now. They are constructed so that they have almost a flat top to keep from hurting children. Ironic isn't it? Dr. Lee will not appreciate my potato test, but I'm sure he can do his own, in his own way. Hey, I'm just a dumb borgette, he's a forensic pathologist. Darby and Fly: I'm just thinking that we wouldn't be having this discussion, if Mr. John Ramsey would have allowed further examination of his daughter. Another mind movie: I can just see it now. The LHs are all in their kitchens squaring off with each other with their looms. "HA, I got hit in the eye twice and my wound looks nothing like the marks I saw on television!" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Ruthee" Posted by darby on 18:42:37 3/26/2000 The corner prongs are worth considering. How far apart are the corner prongs from one another? And is it possible to have these corner prongs cause an injury without adjacent prongs on either side causing injuries as well? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Cutter" Posted by Twinkle on 19:08:00 3/26/2000 I would love to have that picture too. Would you mail me a copy tictac5000@yahoo.com Thanks in advance [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Darby" Posted by Ruthee on 18:57:59 3/26/2000 I should have this finished tomorrow. I'll put as much information and measurments on there as I can. I have a measuring device that I will include in the pix that I take to give you some reference. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Chat" Posted by Ruthee on 19:01:03 3/26/2000 I'll be in chat tonight and explain as much as I can, if anyone is interested. Susan, I'd love to see you there, if you have the intestinal fortitude. No Fake hats please, Susan. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Ruthee" Posted by fly on 19:40:43 3/26/2000 OK, if the prongs are square at the top, that's a possibility. Must have changed the design, for sure. I'm still having trouble seeing how only the two corner prongs would leave marks, but the others next to them wouldn't. We aren't talking about narrow, highly curved areas of the body (except possibly the lower leg marks). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "OH...MY GOD!! " Posted by CaringMom on 19:37:11 3/26/2000 My girls both have one of those... I checked them and they could be used as a weapon to hit someone with like a stick... Stick beatings used to be used in the south and in Catholic schools...long time ago ... What a horrible thing!!! That child suffered so immensely!! She must have done something that really P* PR off. (If PR did that). I can't imagine JR doing that... he'd just use his hand. Her brother could have done it during a fight over something... and a stranger wouldn't use it at all. They could find something like a lamp!! Also with our world of guns, even children can get them.. why didn't this stranger just shoot her when she got out of hand. If this metal stick thing did hit her then It really needs to be matched up to the autopsy and see if it fits the wounds....Then we're down to the obvious.... PS NO CHILD DESERVES A BEATING LIKE THIS FOR ANY REASON!! But I know Stressed out, pushy parents that want their child to be perfect are never happy with them and abuse them terrible with little provoking on the childs part. I see it all the time.. in the BIZ. Great observation... Hope someone does something with this info.!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Great Conceptualizing Ruthee!" Posted by Dr. Who on 07:31:25 3/27/2000 I too noticed the loom in the picture but never in a million years summized this/these could be the infamous *tazor* marks...like others here I merely said, "I used to have one of those..." So may I ask do you think the perhaps *flashpoint* or stressor leading towards aggressive reaction was JB secretly making potholders while she is suppose to be sleeping, preparing for the upcoming trip to Michigan and a fight broke out over this activity -or- are you saying this *loom* was used as a weapon in a struggle between JB and her killer? And in the words of the immortal =^.^=, "Keep on Keeping on..." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Dr.Who" Posted by Ruthee on 08:47:26 3/27/2000 I'm saying that I believe I have just as much evidence to support an alternative explanation, perhaps more, to support my belief that a stun gun was not used on JonBenet Ramsey. I doubt Patsy used it as a weapon. I believe it was knocked off of the table and on to the bed during a struggle and left it's marks on her body. It was on the dressing table on the side of the bed with the distrubed drape. It is seen in the photo taken before the bed was stripped by the police, and not there in the photo after the police removed the bedding. The cloth weaving pieces are seen on the floor, but where is the loom. It is not mentioned on the warrant return of items taken from the home. Patsy made an "out of the blue" statement that she doesn't know where it is. Who ask? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Well Holmes,er Ruthee..." Posted by Dr. Who on 09:06:04 3/27/2000 most of your musings seem to pass that all important Occum's Razor principle...keep stomping the grapes and I'm anxiously awaiting the next installment lol ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Great Ruthee" Posted by Dianne E. on 09:21:15 3/27/2000 This has been a GREAT discovery of yours. I just don't know how you do it, great web site, great theory and you also come up with the actual pieces of evidence and all by collecting beer cans. Heck I marvel at how you have turned your collecting business into such an enterprise to actually afford to also go out and buy the "evidence" you discover? I will have to go out dumpster diving to see if I can locate one of the looms. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dianne E. ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Ruthee...Chief Beckner" Posted by Cassandra on 09:58:20 3/27/2000 should see this. The ties were all over the floor, but where was the loom? Patsy volunteers that she doesn't know what happened to it. Did Pam take it? There should be a list of what she took. Does Patsy think the small foreign faction sneaked in to steal the potholder making loom? Left the kid, took the loom? Small foreign factions are so easily distracted! LOL Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "Ruthee" Posted by Denver on 09:57:38 3/27/2000 You go girl!!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Man, this give me the creeps" Posted by Watching you on 10:11:22 3/27/2000 now I'll tell you why. When my girls were little, they used to play real hard. They used to love to jump on the beds. One day they were in my room jumping on my bed - all three of them. My youngest daughter was about five then, and just full of the dickens. Next to my bed was a table with a beautiful pink lamp - all glass. Somehow, and to this day no one remembers how it happened, that lamp ended up in the middle of the bed, shattered, and my daughter ended up landing on that lamp, cutting her back and coming so close to her spinal cord I just shutter even now thinking about it. She was one lucky girl that day, and I never ever again had a lamp like that in my home. I know this adds absolutely nothing to this conversation, but it zoomed me back through the halls of time to a place I will never forget. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Actually Watching You..." Posted by Dr. Who on 10:22:31 3/27/2000 the crime and your incident might be more related than anyone cares to imagine...sh^t happens, and so does the various reactions that occur in the time-space continuem, sort of like the kind of movies Q.T. makes...Pulp Fiction,Jackie Brown... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Dianne" Posted by Ruthee on 10:43:21 3/27/2000 I'm out for more cans this morning. I have to buy polaroid film. The stuff I found in the garbage was already used. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Wow...I just visited Ruthies website...Sad.." Posted by CaringMom on 11:07:16 3/27/2000 This is sick...this Jameson..SBt....My mouth has fallen.... my heart sickened... And she related to PR... help... That whole family isn't normal!! Ohh how I cry for poor JonBennet... This potholder thing probley did cause those marks. The little girl was taught to tell about abuse in school I'm sure... so did they have to shut her up.. for good. It that why she was a spark plug(like a wippersnapper) just kept going on and on and wouldn't shutup. Maybe she just couldn't take the hidden abuse anymore, and was going to tell! I add this to what I saw and I am so sickened. If we can't get them here on earth, GOD WILL! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Yea, but, Dr. who" Posted by Watching you on 10:31:32 3/27/2000 I didn't whack my kid over the head and strangle her after her accident, ya know? My reaction was to get her to the emergency room, not punish her because she broke my lamp and got blood on my bed. But, then, I'm not Patsy Ramsey, either. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE