Justice Watch Support JW "Mr. Thomas weaves his web." [ Main ] [ Help ] [ Search ] Table of Contents ................................................................... Mr. Thomas weaves his web., Ellique, 02:04:58, 4/05/2001 Leave it to you, RiverRat, 02:56:03, 4/05/2001, (#1) Slander, Ellique, 03:26:10, 4/05/2001, (#2) Ellique, darby, 03:33:36, 4/05/2001, (#3) Mr or Mrs Rat, Ellique, 03:40:45, 4/05/2001, (#4) To Darby, Ellique, 03:57:13, 4/05/2001, (#5) Touch A Nerve?!, RiverRat, 04:19:00, 4/05/2001, (#7) Again to Mr/Mrs Rat, Ellique, 04:14:18, 4/05/2001, (#6) and I was of the belief, JR, 12:51:45, 4/05/2001, (#42) If you read the book, Watching you, 04:28:01, 4/05/2001, (#9) How slovenly, RiverRat, 04:23:01, 4/05/2001, (#8) I don't have time for this shit, Watching you, 04:55:13, 4/05/2001, (#10) L E Q, pinker, 05:15:24, 4/05/2001, (#11) Pinker, JR, 12:54:17, 4/05/2001, (#44) To pinker, Ellique, 05:28:42, 4/05/2001, (#12) Oblique, Cassandra, 06:47:10, 4/05/2001, (#13) elligator, v_p, 07:11:31, 4/05/2001, (#15) River Rat, Greenleaf, 07:10:45, 4/05/2001, (#14) Ellique, Tricia, 08:14:20, 4/05/2001, (#21) Ellie Kay, momo, 07:45:58, 4/05/2001, (#17) Copies, Sabrina, 07:45:15, 4/05/2001, (#16) Haha, you know why, Watching you, 07:50:55, 4/05/2001, (#18) The sad thing to me, gaiabetsy, 07:55:55, 4/05/2001, (#19) Eldritch, driver, 08:18:58, 4/05/2001, (#22) Right, , Cassandra, 08:06:05, 4/05/2001, (#20) gaiabetsy, Greenleaf, 08:19:46, 4/05/2001, (#23) Copies, Jessa Ash, 08:39:25, 4/05/2001, (#25) Giabetsy, Tricia, 08:28:01, 4/05/2001, (#24) copying files, austingirl, 09:39:00, 4/05/2001, (#26) Message for Ellique & RST, Bobby, 10:21:26, 4/05/2001, (#27) Ellique, Nedthan Johns, 11:09:43, 4/05/2001, (#28) Ellique & Ned, momo, 11:16:16, 4/05/2001, (#29) Feisty thread, eh?, Ginja, 11:51:41, 4/05/2001, (#30) Ginja, JR, 13:06:11, 4/05/2001, (#45) Ginja..., rose, 12:41:09, 4/05/2001, (#40) Ginja, Watching you, 12:13:36, 4/05/2001, (#32) Ginja, janab, 12:09:10, 4/05/2001, (#31) Sorry janab, Ginja, 12:19:15, 4/05/2001, (#34) Ginja, JR, 13:09:35, 4/05/2001, (#47) So, Ginja, Watching you, 12:22:03, 4/05/2001, (#35) WY, Ginja, 12:32:13, 4/05/2001, (#37) One more thing, Watching you, 12:15:33, 4/05/2001, (#33) Gang, Ginja, 12:29:08, 4/05/2001, (#36) Ginja, Watching you, 12:34:07, 4/05/2001, (#38) Ginja, Watching you, 12:35:25, 4/05/2001, (#39) Why, janphi, 12:49:30, 4/05/2001, (#41) Janphi, Watching you, 12:54:14, 4/05/2001, (#43) Hi Guys, Watching you, 15:56:58, 4/05/2001, (#52) In this case perhaps justified, JR, 16:19:47, 4/05/2001, (#53) Oh, WY, janphi, 13:31:53, 4/05/2001, (#49) Only business...., rose, 13:07:34, 4/05/2001, (#46) Took me a while, Watching you, 13:29:09, 4/05/2001, (#48) Yes and No, Ginja, 14:48:42, 4/05/2001, (#51) Ginja.., Nedthan Johns, 14:41:06, 4/05/2001, (#50) ................................................................... "Mr. Thomas weaves his web." Posted by Ellique on 02:04:58 4/05/2001 I am not too fond of having to start my own thread but Mr. L wood said something the other day on one of those early morning talk shows that caught my ear and the idea and scenario just doesn't go away. As a kind of a quick and throw away comment, Mr Wood said that Mr Thomas had spent, and I quote, "all night long in a Kinko print store" copying police files. God !! Does any one else think that that should be delved into. Maybe that scenario has been talked about and I just missed it but I would like to hear more about it, particularly from Mr. Thomas. Why would he feel the need to do such a thing on or prior to his resignation? Who gave him permission to do so? Doesn't the BPD have copying machines? How do you think Steve will respond to questioning about such weird behavior when he is deposed? Do you think that Mr. Wood is mistaken, or what? Surely the BPD is not that lax in confidential file sewcurity. Do you think Mr. Thomas has the right to carry such confidential Investigative raw file police data with him, even his own, into retirement? Am I the only one who thinks this is indeed a weird and telling act, if it is indeed true. Best to all, Ellique [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Leave it to you" Posted by RiverRat on 02:56:03 4/05/2001 NightOwl that creeps in when no one is looking (except for those who have a real live six year old that needs to blow her nose at 3:15 A.M.) and tries to muddy the warters(sic). Buy his book so that you know of which he speaks. The Kinkos copy frenzy was due to handing the case files over to your good buddy Alex Hunter and cronies. Slither away, there is real work to be done here, you can admire from afar. For someone who so grandly announced its intentions to play terrorist here, you are obviously all balls and no brains. Hugs - RR [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Slander" Posted by Ellique on 03:26:10 4/05/2001 Mr/Mrs Rat How dare yoou slander me >:) Why didn't Mr Thomas use the copier in the PD. When did he do the copying? What was he doing with them in the first place if he no longer worked with the PD? Who paid for all that work? Slander away Mr Rat but remember when you do that 3 of your surpy flanges will always point back at you. Gota Love it. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Ellique" Posted by darby on 03:33:36 4/05/2001 Perhaps you have a point. I'm not sure what is actually considered illegal or even unethical when it comes to a cop (or former cop) sharing case secrets. If we don't like what Lou Smit did, then maybe we can't really justify everything Steve Thomas did. Again, I don't know the law on these sort of things, so I do mean maybe. In any event, the actions of Thomas and Smit have nothing to do with the Ramseys' guilt or innocence--not that you said they did. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Mr or Mrs Rat" Posted by Ellique on 03:40:45 4/05/2001 One more question, if you have the time after you have your 2nd cup. Why would you need to copy them in the first place to turn them over. Why not just turn the originals over. After all he was on his way out and didn't need them any more or did he? >:) Where are all those copies today. Was there just one copy, 2 copies, or a dozen copies OF CONFIDENTIAL POLICE RAW DATA FILES. gotcha !!!And again, Why Kinkos? Is that where the PDP does all their CONFIDENTIAL work like that? Surely you jest?? Gota love it!! Can't wait to get some answers !! [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "To Darby" Posted by Ellique on 03:57:13 4/05/2001 I sure as L don't know either!! As I understand it, Mr LS ASKED for permission and same was granted for a few but not all of his work product. That request was made public. Different PDs have different rules. Seems to me that the BPD had several different rules re keeping police document and investigative info CONFIDENTIAL, If that is what they called it as they passed them on to the Globe, Star, NE, et al. "We will let you have them if you promise to keep them CONFIDENTIAL" "I will, I will" said Mr. Thomas. "I just want a copy for my scrap book, that's all, I promise you" Ha Ha just kidding!! Best to all, Ellique [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Touch A Nerve?!" Posted by RiverRat on 04:19:00 4/05/2001 I thought that everyone knew that the BPD was fond of frequenting their community establishments, like the 1 hour photo processing place. Slander you? Let me see here, your words, your actions, my bad. Wonder who that reminds me of. BTW that's Mrs. Mommy Rat to you, I've got one turning seven this month.......VICTORY. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Again to Mr/Mrs Rat" Posted by Ellique on 04:14:18 4/05/2001 When Mr T decided he had no more of his time to give to his police work, Why didn't he just calmly. at home or at his office, sit down at his desk, organize them and turn them over to Mr Hunter? Why the all night Frenzy at Kinkos? Why was copies necessary? Where are the originals? YES, I HAVE READ MR THOMAS' book and his account of the Kinko frenzy but his explanation is as clear as mud which only a river-rat would feel at home in. Alas, went wont know for sure until his deposed I guess. Best to you. Ellique [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "and I was of the belief" Posted by JR on 12:52:07 4/05/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:52:07, 4/05/2001 all my life that "there are no stupid questions." Why indeed since turning them over wouldn't have made a rats @$$ difference in an arrest. ;-| Edited for typo. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "If you read the book" Posted by Watching you on 04:28:01 4/05/2001 then you know the material was copied while ST was still an employee of BPD, and it was copied because the so called War Room was about to be history and all the work product of the detectives would have to be left there. What ST and company did was copy the documents so that there would be back up in the BPD, not for his own personal use. They copied the material because they did not trust the gutless wonder Hunter and his disgusting bunch of control freaks. They copied the materials because they didn't trust that some of it might not come up missing. Get your facts straight, leak, your attempts to discredit ST are less than impressive. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "How slovenly" Posted by RiverRat on 04:23:01 4/05/2001 of you to think that. But if it makes you feel better to think that I am alone under Steve's umbrella, well, whatever gets you through the night. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "I don't have time for this shit" Posted by Watching you on 04:55:13 4/05/2001 but here's the passage in ST's book. ..Page 186 - "......we would ned a copy of the case file in the police department if we were ever pulled out of the War Room. Page 187 - ..in the dark of the night we returned the originals to the steel cabinet, then locked our new file up tight in the police department." Prove he took those records out of the police department, leak. You are pathetic. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "L E Q" Posted by pinker on 05:15:24 4/05/2001 You must not be to familar with the specific actions of the Boulder DA's office during the course of the investigation. Much of their inactions are behind the current state of affairs. The files were copied to prevent any alterations to them, to maintain the integrity of the investigation. It seems something a normally prudent person would do given the circumstances of inappropriate practices from the office of Alex Hunter. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Pinker" Posted by JR on 12:54:17 4/05/2001 Yeah but some people simply re-write ransome notes and things until they have them to their satisfaction so not everyone understands integrity. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "To pinker" Posted by Ellique on 05:28:42 4/05/2001 So by copying them assures against alteration! How about if Mr Hero wanted to alter them before he copied them. And again, why at Kinkos and ALL Dad-Gum night? "CONVOLUTION TIME, COME ON' Love to all, Ellique [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Oblique" Posted by Cassandra on 06:47:10 4/05/2001 You got your answer. I'm more interested in Smit leaving the investigation and becoming a camp follower. What did he take with him? And what did the former DA's hand over to them? Talk about unusual behavior. Cassie [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "elligator" Posted by v_p on 07:11:31 4/05/2001 slither back to the pond scum and try this routine on them ... you will have a captive audience and a much more successful thread. best regards, V. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "River Rat" Posted by Greenleaf on 07:10:45 4/05/2001 Dear Mrs Mommy Rat: (LOL) Yes, indeed, you struck a nerve. I think that the RST, in preparation for their Thomas lawsuit, wants our input. And, dear mommy Rat, you didn't give them what they wanted. Shame on you! GL [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Ellique" Posted by Tricia on 08:14:20 4/05/2001 Bob Keatly, the BPD legal adviser paid with his credit card for everything. With enough files to fill a trunk of a car the only place you could copy them would be at Kinkos. If you have ever worked in an office and used a copy machine Ellique you know how counter productive it is to tie up the machine for 8 hours doing copies. It is obvious if you read Mr. Thomas' book why he copied those files at night. With the possibilty of pullilng out of the war room the BPD would need copies of all the files so they could continue to work on the case. Period. Alex and Company were a merry band of fools. Thomas and members of the BPD did not need Alex Hunters permission to copy thier own files. It would seem the prudent thing to do during the night so Hunter's office wouldn't throw a tantrum and stop the police from using their own files to work on the case. Why turn the files over to Hunter? The cops were still working on it. Steve Thomas didn't take the files home and put them in the basement. The files were locked away at the police station so the police could use them. Thomas also said Sergeant Wickman "obliquely" told Thomas they would need a copy of the case file if the BPD ever pulled out of the war room. Which they did. Ellique have you heard about the Thomas defense fund? I know you are the seeker of all that is true in the case and I can't think of a better attorney than Dan Petrocelli to find out the truth. Why not give a little something toward truth and justice for JonBenet Ramsey? The address is: The Steve Thomas Defense Fund P.O.Box 37-2300 Denve Colorado 80237. I'll tell you what Ellique I will make a donation in your name. How is that. Also if you would like a copy of Thomas's book I would be happy to mail you the paper back. Anything I can do to help you Ellique understand the truth I will do. Read his book. Paper back pages 208-209. It's all explained there. Along with who was at the Kinko's with Thomas. Ellique Thomas tells the truth in the book. He states exactly what he did and why. No hiding. Remember Ellique "The Truth Shall Set you Free". Think about it . For a long time. Tricia [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Ellie Kay" Posted by momo on 07:45:58 4/05/2001 At least JonBenet had a hero in Steve Thomas. Daddy and Mommy let their little girl down. ST wants nothing but justice for JonBenet and it's obvious that it just burns you to the bone. There are heroes and then there are losers. 'Nuf said. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Copies" Posted by Sabrina on 07:46:25 4/05/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:46:25, 4/05/2001 If he was doing something so sinister, do you think he would write about it and admit it in his book? Nice try Lin Woody. Edited because I can't spell. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Haha, you know why" Posted by Watching you on 07:50:55 4/05/2001 I think Steve Thomas did that? I think he WANTED Hunter to know there was another copy of those records, It was a deliberate message to Hunter and his brown-nosed assistants that they'd better not mess with those records. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "The sad thing to me" Posted by gaiabetsy on 07:55:55 4/05/2001 is the possibility a DA is so corrupt that a policeman might deem it necessary to MAKE SURE a complete copy of records pertinent to a case would have to be duplicated because SOMEBODY in the DA's office might one day LOSE or MISPLACE some of them. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Eldritch" Posted by driver on 08:18:58 4/05/2001 I would far rather see Steve Thomas weave his web than Lin Wood wave his wand - if you get my drift. Seems to me Woody is showing a little too much of "hisself" here lately. Doesn't your team have an original thought? Why do you keep hanging around here for ideas?? [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Right, " Posted by Cassandra on 08:06:05 4/05/2001 Or seal all the testimony? I guess "Wood Chip" didn't think of that! lol And what if the seal comes unstuck with NYL's lawsuit and the witnesses can speak freely? "Comes the deluge!" Cassie [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "gaiabetsy" Posted by Greenleaf on 08:19:46 4/05/2001 "is the possibility a DA is so corrupt that a policeman might deem it necessary to MAKE SURE a complete copy of records pertinent to a case would have to be duplicated because SOMEBODY in the DA's office might one day LOSE or MISPLACE some of them." Exactly! GL [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Copies" Posted by Jessa Ash on 08:39:25 4/05/2001 I understand fully why ST made copies of all the case files. I have done the same thing when leaving a position...it is just a form of CYA. I believe ST and his cohorts did it to protect themselves against future slanderous statements AND to do what they could to seek eventual JfJBR. The DA cannot say something didn't happen, wasn't discussed, etc...if it is all there in black and white. BTW...when leaving a position, all your personal notes regarding anything remotely work related become property of your employer. You can even be forced to leave your day runner pages! However, prior to leaving that position, you can copy, shred or whatever. (Clarification: That is true in TX, I believe it may be a bit less inclusive in some states.) [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Giabetsy" Posted by Tricia on 08:28:01 4/05/2001 You are right on target! Hey Ellique would you like me to make that donation in your name as Ellique or just plain ole' Ellie? You know you would think RST could find someone with a little more knowledge to spin their tale. Is this the best they can do? Tricia [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "copying files" Posted by austingirl on 09:39:00 4/05/2001 Omigod, what a heinous crime! (sarcasm) I think it is a bit more important to bring the murderers of JonBenet to justice. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Message for Ellique & RST" Posted by Bobby on 10:21:26 4/05/2001 We are on to you. Petrocelli and ST are on to the spin. They have their own PR people now also. NBC and Matt Lauer are on to you. Carol McKinley and Fox are on to you. Slither back to your cave or talk some more on CNN. We love the data. kisses&hugs to you too :) [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Ellique" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 11:09:43 4/05/2001 I agree Ellique, this is the kind of Chit that jepodized the case from the get go. Two teams on opposite ends. What happened to Thomas within the DA's office and BPD is a seperate issue then the JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case. He used his book to make his point. I am not sure who murdered little JonBenet, but what I am SURE about is both the BPD and Boulder's DA office is 100% responsible for not bringing her murderer for justice. Thomas was apart of that, no matter who here wants to call him a hero in this case, he was nothing of the sort. Just a cop who got mad, and wrote a book about it. There is NO evidence whatsoever in his book that supports his theory, therefore the book was written to slander the DA's office by a disgruntled employee. Do I think he really thinks that Patsy Ramsey murdered JonBenet. Most certainly. But prove it. He should have kept quite and kept on the case. JMO of course. Nothing personal against Thomas, I am sure he is a great cop. He just got caught up in the BPD politics and didn't know how to handle it. Looking forward to the law suits. I have no doubt Chris Wolf will absolutely lose his case. IN no was did the Ramsey's slander him in his book or even suggest he was a murderer. Same for Linda Hoffman Pugh. As for the Thomas case, this is the main event. Looking forward to every juicy tidbit, and how the hell Thomas is going to explain that a mother went crazy for one breif moment over bed wetting and brutally murdered her child! [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Ellique & Ned" Posted by momo on 11:16:16 4/05/2001 Excuse me? I just read some more of ST's book and the Rams had the DA and his ilk in their back pocket from the get-go. Everytime the cops turned around they were being discredited by the DA's office. I think it's pretty obvious just what was going on with that whole scene. And, if Patsy is the patsy and she really didn't kill JonBenet, then I certainly don't think she will go down all by her lonesome. She'll have a huge garotte with several slips to take them all down with her, guaranteed. Patsy will spill the beans, IMO. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Feisty thread, eh?" Posted by Ginja on 11:51:41 4/05/2001 But two wrongs don't' make a right! Query: If the BPD felt threatened and saw the need to make copies of the entire investigatory paper file, how did it wind up in the hands of Steve Thomas? If that's the case. IOW, it's one thing to make copies for the department; it's another to make those copies and then carry them off in your briefcase so you have supporting data for your book! Another query: To make such copies for the department makes sense. You need work copies because you don't want to mark up the originals or heaven forbid, lose any part of the original! And I'd be damned surprised to find that both offices (BPD and DA) were using the originals in the War Room! So the real question might be: Where the hell were the originals! Third query: To say you don't want to tie up the copy machines in the office is absolutely ludicrous! I've worked in these war rooms, folks, and if something like that is necessitated, if you deem it necessary to make such copies without interfering with the normal course of business, then you lease a machine. As a matter of fact, I'd be damned surprised to find that they didn't lease a copier for that purpose. When setting up these war rooms, the first order of business is to equip it, from desks to copiers to fax machines. You DO NOT send confidential materials to an outside business. For cripes sake! Didn't they learn their lesson when the autopsy photos wound up in the Globe? And btw, that was not the BPD who sent the film to an outside vendor, but rather, the coroner. Regardless of the reasons "why", Thomas, alone or in concert with other members of the BPD, were wrong in making these copies not only at an outside vendor, but during the night! That they made the copies isn't so much questionable, but rather, again, their timing. Such activities (copying) at night is suspicious and needs to be questioned by the superiors. Rail all you want against myself, or Ellique for asking, but the fact remains, the act is suspect and begs the attention of scrutiny. Thomas suffers from the Machiavellian Complex and unfortunately, many of you agree with his "philosophy" that the ends justifies the means. And again, this is wrong. As you can see, his actions may be the cause of his demise; at the very least, it may all come back on him and bite him in the ass. If there's any truth to his copying files at Kinko's in the night, and unfortunately he's already admitted it, then even more unfortunate is the fact that Lin Wood, on behalf of the Ramseys, can nail him! This is not to say that Petrocelli can't wriggle his client out of this (somehow, and I don't know what that somehow would be). This is a serious matter. Hunter took Smit to court for copying files and taking them with him. The court may not be so lenient with not the one, but several, of the BPD. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Ginja" Posted by JR on 13:06:11 4/05/2001 Just wondering how many war rooms or police departments have the expensive, high spead, high quality copiers one see at Knikos. As for doing it at night - makes sense to me - less people around to accidently see something they shouldn't and probably more room to spread out - even tie up 2 or more copiers. FYI when Company X had to provide 96 boxes of data for an supoena from the DOJ we sent it out to Kinko's even though we had one of those fancy copiers - business wasn't interupted and the cost was a lot less than paying a clerk, tying up the company machine and thus getting behind and maybe having to pay OT and DT to catch up on comapny business. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Ginja..." Posted by rose on 12:41:09 4/05/2001 usually agree with you, but this time my view is a little different. Makeing those copies was like getting a receipt. Thomas and others in the police dept. felt very wary of some in the Da's office. It was just CYA to get copies to protect and preserve the evidence in tact. Career wise not to make waves in future for himself , Beckner most likely would have denied letting them copy the evidence. But once it was done, he had an out and an original copy himself and was glad they had the copies made. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Ginja" Posted by Watching you on 12:13:36 4/05/2001 What are you talking about? What wound up in the hands of Steve Thomas? The copies? How do you know this? The copies he helped make were locked up in the BPD files. What you're saying might be legitimate if you had any proof he carried those files out of the BPD. There is no proof of that. I believe the originals WERE kept in ring binders in the War Room. Perhaps the other copiers were bigger, faster, able to handle large volume copying? They did not send confidential material anyplace. They stood there and made every single copy themselves. Did you read the book? Where is this coming from? This is the kind of crap that gets spewed out when someone doesn't have all the facts, Ginja. You are building all your arguments on false beliefs. You messed up on this one. As far as Hunter is concerned, don't worry, he's too busy covering his own fat ass. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Ginja" Posted by janab on 12:09:10 4/05/2001 I'm surprised at you! Having worked in law offices for a very long time, I can tell you that outside vendors are used all the time for confidential materials. You would have to be nuts to assume that the thousands and thousands of pages of confidential materials that are copied for production in lawsuits are copied here in office with a secretary or two standing at a copy machine. That would be a ridiculous waste of time and resources. My theory on the copying party is that perhaps there were one or two copy machines (in the war room, in the building, whatever) and, knowing public service agencies, they were probably not "top of the line" machines. If you are wanting something copied fast, what is the best approach? Have many people operate many machines at one time, right? What it would take one person twelves hours to copy, would necessarily take two people only six hours, or three people only four hours, etc., etc., etc. I would guess the machines at Kinko's were faster and they were able to use multiple machines at the same time. . janab [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Sorry janab" Posted by Ginja on 12:19:15 4/05/2001 There's confidential materials out of a law firm, and then there are confidential materials from an open murder investigation. I've worked in law firms, I've worked in the police department, and I've worked in the State Atorney General's office. I know the difference. The Boulder Police Department should have known it as well. Sorry. This DA went to court on numerous occasions requesting the investigation's coffers be filled on numerous occasions during the 4 year investigation. Monies for equipment was included as all that money didn't go only to salaries or tests! Most especially, when establishing these "war rooms" (and I've been there too), on as notorious a murder investigation as this, a good copier is necessary. They knew the volume of paper they would be dealing with...hell! they used the statistics frequently. No...sorry...uh uh....Thomas may just wind up hoisted on his own pitard for this one. And again, there's a difference between what goes on in a law firm and what goes on in a war room. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Ginja" Posted by JR on 13:09:35 4/05/2001 FYI the high speed, high quality copy machines cost about $80,000 or more today. I don't imagine the BPD could quite justify that cost even in this case. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "So, Ginja" Posted by Watching you on 12:22:03 4/05/2001 you're saying the BPD was not entitled to copies of their own investigation? And stop saying they sent it out, they didn't - the did the copying themselves. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "WY" Posted by Ginja on 12:32:13 4/05/2001 They did it themselves at Kinko's! Kinko's is an outside vendor! Makes no difference they were doing it themselves. If this weren't such a big deal, then query why it had to be done at night. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "One more thing" Posted by Watching you on 12:15:33 4/05/2001 if I had been in ST's shoes, you can bet your sweet bippie I would have covered my butt the same way he did. That's what any smart person would and should do when you've got snakes for DAs. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Gang" Posted by Ginja on 12:29:08 4/05/2001 You're confusing the issues here! What this lawsuit is all about is the Ramseys suing Thomas for slander and libel. That's the issue! The only issue! Makes no difference what Hunter did, or what kind of "character" was evident in the DA's office. ; It has nothing to do with Steve covering his ass because of the character of said DA or his minions. What's at issue is what "Steve Thomas did" and only what Steve Thomas did. All I'm trying to do here is put a face on the reality of this issue. You all can keep your heads in the clouds. But when it all comes crashing down on Steve, you can't say you weren't forewarned. And what's your beef anyway? Cripes! The best defense is a good offense, and if you know the problems facing you up front, you can do battle with more success. Which is exactly why I said Petrocelli may be able to get around this. Calling me names isn't going to amount to a hill of shit in this case. You've got some pretty crappy attitudes simply because I brought out the fact that there are problems here. Perhaps I should just keep my mouth shut. It appears you'd rather not discuss this in anything but your own terms. Sorry I dropped in! [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Ginja" Posted by Watching you on 12:34:07 4/05/2001 I didn't call you any names. You didn't have your facts straight. Why are you upset that someone told you that? You came in here loaded for bear and most of what you said was based on erroneous information. And so now we have bad attitudes because we told you that? [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Ginja" Posted by Watching you on 12:35:25 4/05/2001 Answer one question for me. Did you read ST's book? [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Why" Posted by janphi on 12:49:30 4/05/2001 doesn't SOMEBODY ask LinWood and team how they KNOW what materials are "confidential police files" and "information" and what aren't? That's my big question! [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Janphi" Posted by Watching you on 12:54:14 4/05/2001 maybe it has something to do with those 45 -70 boxes of materials the Ramseys have in their possession - including, I believe their pit bull said, police reports. A far better question than whether an authorized detective had the right to copy materials, which he kept in his possession, and deposited in the BPD, is how the Ramseys got their hands on police reports. Let's see, we know Hunter et al gave them some. Could Smit? Oh no, that just couldn't be. Could it? Baloney. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Hi Guys" Posted by Watching you on 15:56:58 4/05/2001 This is your friendly WY just checking in to see if you're all okay. I don't know how to fix the forum. Wonder what happened. Someone messing with out space, here? Funny, the things that happen around here. Someone didn't like the discussions? I am the suspicious sort, you know. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "In this case perhaps justified" Posted by JR on 16:19:47 4/05/2001 Thread 7 of 60 minutes totally disappeard as did a couple of post on other links. [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Oh, WY" Posted by janphi on 13:31:53 4/05/2001 You mean those 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70 boxes? Ha ha, whoever writes the subpoenae for the New York Post is just supposed to GUESS the correct number, then BINGO, they get them? Oops, wrong boxes--those are Keenan's. Oh well, it's all the same, isn't it? Geez, I can't stand these people! [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]