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More Intriguing Sleuth Stuff 2, SJ, 00:08:19, 4/19/2000 About Macky Boykin, janphi, 00:21:10, 4/19/2000, (#1) It was me who found , SJ, 00:44:07, 4/19/2000, (#2) More Macky, mary99, 00:48:14, 4/19/2000, (#4) Also about MW/Boykin, janphi, 00:45:30, 4/19/2000, (#3) I'm sorry,, gaiabetsy, 14:58:27, 4/19/2000, (#36) stryker>>>, ayelean, 00:49:54, 4/19/2000, (#5) Map of SLO & area, mary99, 01:11:02, 4/19/2000, (#6) janphi,, listener, 02:45:18, 4/19/2000, (#7) listener, thanks, janphi, 05:14:30, 4/19/2000, (#8) Janphi, why, sarah, 05:34:29, 4/19/2000, (#9) Vidar, sarah, 06:07:47, 4/19/2000, (#14) I think Vidar, Holly, 06:17:26, 4/19/2000, (#15) listener, janphi, ayelean, mary99 et al, Holly, 05:49:49, 4/19/2000, (#10) Holly, janphi, 06:32:09, 4/19/2000, (#18) Janphi., Holly, 06:33:44, 4/19/2000, (#19) Job Offer, Chris, 06:00:39, 4/19/2000, (#11) I really want to know this --, Holly, 06:04:39, 4/19/2000, (#12) Also -- , Holly, 06:05:39, 4/19/2000, (#13) Access In Mexico, sarah, 06:30:39, 4/19/2000, (#17) listener, janphi, 06:29:06, 4/19/2000, (#16) thanks Janphi!, sarah, 06:37:12, 4/19/2000, (#20) You're welcome, Sarah, janphi, 06:47:04, 4/19/2000, (#23) Thanks Jan Phi, again, sarah, 07:53:26, 4/19/2000, (#25) Diane E, sarah, 06:41:51, 4/19/2000, (#21) Vidar from the depo., sarah, 06:45:58, 4/19/2000, (#22) the depo, luvsflowers, 07:18:15, 4/19/2000, (#24) Info on Macky Boykin, Zhanna, 10:20:33, 4/19/2000, (#26) Okay, driver, 10:55:19, 4/19/2000, (#27) Trona is east of , SJ, 14:50:48, 4/19/2000, (#34) Isn't that , Holly, 11:43:45, 4/19/2000, (#28) Holly..., heididi, 17:36:08, 4/19/2000, (#41) SS info, Zhanna, 11:59:00, 4/19/2000, (#31) This is the right, SJ, 14:55:33, 4/19/2000, (#35) It's the right person, Holly, 14:49:47, 4/19/2000, (#33) driver, et. al..., Dr. Who, 11:56:31, 4/19/2000, (#30) Trona, Denver, 11:50:37, 4/19/2000, (#29) DOI job offer reference, DebDeb, 14:47:41, 4/19/2000, (#32) another hinky, Dianne E., 15:26:49, 4/19/2000, (#38) another SS# source, Zhanna, 15:22:33, 4/19/2000, (#37) Apologies galore, listener, 16:31:05, 4/19/2000, (#39) my mistake was..., mary99, 17:41:43, 4/19/2000, (#42) Thanks Zhanna,, Holly, 17:32:44, 4/19/2000, (#40) Trona to Los Osos, Zhanna, 19:00:58, 4/19/2000, (#44) Hey super sleuths!, Holly, 06:41:51, 4/20/2000, (#48) This quote came from>>>, ayelean, 17:54:09, 4/19/2000, (#43) Well Mary.....tick tock..., sarah, 20:45:18, 4/19/2000, (#45) sarah, mary99, 04:23:52, 4/20/2000, (#46) Populations, janphi, 06:24:10, 4/20/2000, (#47) janphi, mary99, 06:41:58, 4/20/2000, (#49) Hmmm..., Chris, 07:49:14, 4/20/2000, (#50) connected persons..., rose, 10:18:08, 4/20/2000, (#55) MW's sister, nostradamus, 10:09:14, 4/20/2000, (#51) Yikes, Nostra!, Holly, 10:12:32, 4/20/2000, (#52) Probably not nostradamus..., Dr. Who, 10:15:57, 4/20/2000, (#53) Yea, Dr Who., Holly, 10:27:19, 4/20/2000, (#58) Holly, nostradamus, 10:17:32, 4/20/2000, (#54) Really, nostra..., Holly, 10:25:18, 4/20/2000, (#57) Nostradamas...., rose, 10:21:16, 4/20/2000, (#56) Well, please post me a clue, janphi, 11:03:55, 4/20/2000, (#59) janphi, Holly, 14:47:13, 4/20/2000, (#63) Good work, Janphi, mary99, 11:18:17, 4/20/2000, (#60) connection, blcat2, 12:56:35, 4/20/2000, (#61) nostradamus, pat, 13:13:13, 4/20/2000, (#62) Murderer of 2 will stand trial in SLO, mary99, 18:23:26, 4/20/2000, (#64) mary, pat, 20:31:04, 4/20/2000, (#65) pat, mary99, 20:46:54, 4/20/2000, (#66) Family Tree Maker CDs..., heididi, 23:10:16, 4/20/2000, (#70) one more thought, mary99, 20:51:25, 4/20/2000, (#67) another good source..., Zhanna, 21:07:28, 4/20/2000, (#68) Has anyone done any checking , Colorado-an, 21:31:58, 4/20/2000, (#69) ................................................................... "More Intriguing Sleuth Stuff 2" Posted by SJ on 00:08:19 4/19/2000 49. "ayelean, stryker" Posted by Chart on 20:35:15 4/18/2000 ayelean - I was very impressed by your version of pooper-scooper's theory, especially the ransom note/Patsy twist. Do you remember where it was written that PR ands MW were acquainted well enough for PR to be aware of MW's past? I've been very curious about any connection between them. I've begun to believe that is a possibility regarding the staging, since a poster here suggested it a while back. That poster may have been you - I'm not sure:-). stryker - Thanks for the surprise. We all could use the levity. 50. "chart" Posted by stryker on 21:27:06 4/18/2000 i just found that today, and i couldn't help myself. i have also been wondering about the similarities between jameson's story of abuse in her past and mw's story. wonder if she knew about mw and hijacked the story in order to be able to discredit her in some way? 48. "Dr.Who" Posted by Edie Pratt on 17:25:59 4/18/2000 Thanks a million:-) I have no religious background, I appreciate all education you guys give me on the subject. Now, I really have the creeps about JR,lol! He reminds me of that Walker Railey(sp?), the phony minister that got away with murdering his wife. Religion is the best beard for pedophiles, too. Plenty of ministers have been exposed for it over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if deacon's were in that club, too. 51. "Chart" Posted by Dianne E. on 21:56:09 4/18/2000 I live in Mountain View, CA and can hopefully clear up a few points and add my two cents. Access Graphics made a deal with Sun early and was able to get a prime deal as a key distributor of Sun's products. This was all before the internet "boom". When Access Graphics says they have sales of 1 billion, this can appear misleading without further explanation. A SUN system is quite expensive so it doesn't take a ton of them to reach a billion dollars in sales, and Access Graphics was a reseller/distributor so the actual net profit for this business is not as great as it sounds at first blush. Part of the services that Access Graphics offers is they "bundle" products and services. Silicon Graphics is a vendor to Access meaning that they are selling products to Access who then resells them. Access is considered a vendor to Sun because Access buys from Sun, bundles and resells them. Somewhere JohnBoy states he turned down the job offer in Mountain View because of the expense. This statement, IMO, is completely untrue. Mountain View during those years was a bargain in this area. 53. "Dianne E." Posted by Chart on 23:29:11 4/18/2000 Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know about the job offer. You make an interesting observation. 54. "Chart" Posted by Dianne E. on 23:51:05 4/18/2000 Maybe the job offer was in DOI, as I recall the year was around 1986? The comment sounds like it could make sense when you consider the real estate market here NOW, but I can guarantee you things were much different then. The statement grabbed my attention as being a phony reason and made me wonder why? JohnBoy was in the high tech field, this is the area to pursue that goal, so why the phony reason for not wanting to move? *********************** This is such a good thread and getting longer by the minute!! I found the following information about people with the name of Boykin: M.Boykin, San Louis Obispo, Ca., 93401, (805)547-0248 (I don't know what the M. stands for with this listing) S. Boykin, 2065 California St., Mountain View, Ca., (650)965-9491 Diane, can you check out this person in your town? Wonder if they are related to Macky Boykin? Anyone live near San Louis Obispo? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "About Macky Boykin" Posted by janphi on 00:21:10 4/19/2000 We researched him quite a bit (what we could find) in the past month on here but I can't get the search feature to work for anything longer ago than one day. Someone found his death or SS record showing he died in November, 1996, about one month before JB's murder. I had theorized his real name wasn't "Macky" that it might be a shortened nickname from "Mac-something longer", but who ever found the records said he was listed as Macky Boykin (Wasn't there a middle initial "J" or something--writing this only from memory.) What spooked me a little about this was when ST talked in the book about JB's head hitting the bathtub, then another poster said someone would have to have picked JB up and swung her around to have her head hit that hard. This was spooky because, totally unrelated to the Macky Boykin thing, but in the same thread, we had tried to trace Macky Boykin to "possibly" being descended from the Macky Family of Boulder, for whom Macky Auditorium at CU was named. We couldn't at the time make any connection, but the strange thing about the Auditorium, which was built in the early 1920's, after Andrew Macky died in 1907 and bequeathed some money for it, was that a murder had been committed there--don't remember the dates, maybe 1940's???--of a young female student who "had been swung around by the feet" in the area where the organ was situated and visitors to this particular area, which had been sealed off ever since, (was this mame or another Boulder reporter who had gotten to see it on a story and told us this?), could still see some of the blood spatters. If someone could find that Macky Boykin thread (his name is at the top), we wouldn't have to re-invent the wheel here with our efforts. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "It was me who found " Posted by SJ on 00:44:07 4/19/2000 the SS records and his name was actually Macky. I remember all the stuff from that thread. But now I have found two Boykin family members, one in San Louis Obispo and one in Mountain View. Don't have a clue if they are related to Macky or not. However, have done a 1-800search on the M Boykin in SLO so will get as much data as they have on that person, including family members, etc. Just goes with the sleuthing theme, I thought. Don't think we have to rehash all the stuff from the other thread. Am looking for new info. Thanks anyhow. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "More Macky" Posted by mary99 on 00:48:14 4/19/2000 SJ, you're amazing! You may have found both MW's abuser and his brother...who married her mother. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Also about MW/Boykin" Posted by janphi on 00:45:30 4/19/2000 I got ridiculed by a person on chat for being "so wrong" about this, but I went and re-read the article on Lee Hill and MW, and it definitely said that MW testified against Boykin, her "uncle" in her own case against him on the 64 counts of sexual abuse, rape, etc. and that he only got 10 months in prison. MW was 17 at the time. Boykin got out of prison, came right back into MW's life and continued to abuse her for 17 years more, until he died in 1996. Here it is, from the Westword article: "The woman listed the ways she could authenticate her connection to this man and prove what she was alleging. For example, when she was seventeen years old, she had persuaded the police in the small southern California town where she lived to charge a man named Mackie Boykin with sexual assault. Boykin, she said, had choked her using cords, scarves and ropes to make her body simulate orgasm while other men had sex with her. Boykin had pleaded guilty and been sent to prison. ... "Her child's body was too young to enjoy sex or achieve orgasm. Toward this end, a man named Mackie Boykin was appointed as her "handler." Boykin had been in her life, she says, "ever since I can remember." However, he became part of the family after his brother married her mother. Living just a few houses down the street, Boykin's job was to train her and other little girls -- whom she says her family and their "guests" referred to as their "Pretty Little Whores" -- in sadomasochistic sexual practices. ... "The most convincing piece of the puzzle is that when The Witness claimed to have been sexually assaulted once before, she told the truth. Boykin was subsequently charged with 64 counts of sexual assault, kidnapping and various other related crimes. He was allowed to plead guilty to four counts and served only ten months. Two days after he was released from prison, he showed up at the doorstep of The Witness, who had moved out of state and was supposedly in protective custody -- but her own family had told him where to find her. She was seventeen, and her torment by Boykin and others, she says, continued for nearly twenty years. It even continued after November 1996, when Boykin died -- one month before JonBenét was murdered. The question lingers: With the master of sexual asphyxiation of little girls gone, had an amateur messed up and accidentally killed JonBenét?" Just wanted to set that straight. Also from the article: "Hill contacted law-enforcement friends in the Los Angeles area, where The Witness claimed much of the abuse had happened, to try to get a case going." My question about this is: since it was written in Colorado, were they just saying "Los Angeles" as a general area, or were they specifically meaning the LA area? I don't consider San Luis Obispo, which is exactly 190 miles from San Francisco and 190 miles from Los Angeles, as being in the "LA area." In fact, I identify that area more with SF than LA, it's more "like it" to me. Anyway, just wondering if they were focusing on Newport Beach/Costa Mesa, etc., instead of SLO/Los Osos. Anybody got any ideas on this? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "I'm sorry," Posted by gaiabetsy on 14:58:27 4/19/2000 when I read what I just read, I keep asking myself if this could possibly be real? You know what I mean? And yet, I myself was a victim of childhood sexual abuse. Maybe that's what happens to people like me. We bury it so far down that when we hear a description of it, we just "can't GO there". What do you think? I'm really starting to wonder about myself and my reaction to all this. I keep waiting to hear from MW herself, yet I know the reasons for her silence are valid and necessary to any future prosecution, but I still don't know what to make of this. Rumors and innuendo aren't enough for me. Guess that's true for all of us. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "stryker>>>" Posted by ayelean on 00:49:54 4/19/2000 It was reported here that MW and PR had met each other. I had theorized that somehow PR would have known maybe thru Pricilla, MW's saga. PR would have been very interested in that story, given the possibility that she herself was sexually molested. It was a logical assumption that if PR wrote the ransom note and committed the murder that the connection to MW would have been the way the crime was STAGED. Then LO and Behold the evidence surfaced thru an interview that MW gave someone, (Carol McKiney?????) she said she herself had even talked with Patsy Ramsey. To me it was like, just what I thought. When the MW told the interviewer she was justifying her linkage to JBR. I think it is one of those near errors that PR made in the staging, because she copied the MO she could be jeopardizing herself and John even more so by making it appear too much like a ritualistic sexual abuse thing. Sort of like pointing with the index finger to someone else while the other 3 fingers are pointing back to her. I think that is why we are not hearing anything from the Ramsey's about the MW. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Map of SLO & area" Posted by mary99 on 02:13:44 4/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 02:13:44, 4/19/2000 FORGET it! No map, no newspaper, this place doesn't seem to want to be linked! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "janphi," Posted by listener on 02:48:56 4/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 02:48:56, 4/19/2000 I believe that MW comes from Southern California, in the San Juan Capistrano area, which is very close to Newport BEach. It could be included as part of the LA area since it is bumper to bumper communites from one to the other. San Luis Obispo IS NEVER considered as a part of LA.(or, as the Northern Californian's call it, LA basin). I believe she included San Luis Obispo as one of the places they stopped on the trips up north. She may have included: Oxnard area; Santa Barbara; Mountain View; San Luis Obispo; Reno (Nev.); &Oregon. I couldn't locate this info. in our current archives. They disappear so quickly nowdays. Does this ring a bell with anyone? edit>>> RENO! Just remembered that there are lots of companies that ship out of Reno because of tax advantages. There are lots of warehouses in Reno. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "listener, thanks" Posted by janphi on 05:14:30 4/19/2000 I know you posted this same info the other day, thanks. But the articles refer to her as a "Los Osos" woman and also go into detail about her therapist, Bienkowski, in San Luis Obispo. I know the threads change often, so it's difficult to find things we want to re-read. mary99, I found quite a bit on San Luis Obispo, including the Church of Christ major stuff; the multimillionaire newspaper owner who hates gays, David Weyrich (I almost choked when I read that Washington Post article the other day, since one of my best gay guy friends in college was of the same last name!); lots of articles in something called the "New Times," I believe. There is very little on Los Osos itself, except what I posted before. If you wander over to the mountain, there is a guy who writes in tongues, but some of the non-Furbish "English" words are about Los Osos and MW, as if he knows something, but I don't think he does. SJ and all of our business sleuths--hope we can find out more about John's business dealings. There has been very little said and I don't understand "99%" of the geekspeak and acronyms (ya wanna talk about your acronyms being a Patsy thing? harrumph, try computer companies!), but pretty savvy about the stuff otherwise. A poster on the newer ABC msg board a few weeks ago was babbling about John's company not giving up their somehow ill-gotten exclusive distributor rights to Netscape Navigator and the "foreign faction" came to blackmail him on the night of the murder and he met with them and that's why he's covering all this up. (I don't believe any of this, but hope someone can help figure if there's a grain in there.) There does seem to be some sort of "Silicon Triangle" between Mountain View (and neighboring places, such as Palo Alto, which I always think of in relation to Mtn View, since I used to visit as a kid because my dad went to Stanford for grad school and liked to take us back there sometimes) and Boulder and Atlanta, in this case, anyway--not to mention Amsterdam, which I'm guessing is Holland's "Silicon Valley". (BTW, whoever asked about John's office and the girl who had been to the Erotica Museum in the Red Light District there--another poster said it was approximately 2 miles or less to the AG offices.) I'd throw in Austin, TX; Seattle; Raleigh-Durham and parts of Tidewater Virginia, too, but they never seem to come up in the context of this case! Also, where did Don Paugh fit in all of this? It has been mentioned several places that he was really the one who started the major one of the 3 companies that became AG (and so much help from Patsy). Also, I didn't see Jeff Ramsey's name listed on any of that company's info--and they had pix and names for every employee (aagghh--one of those cutesy tech companies with the employees' grade school pix instead of now). And last, I noticed that either Carol McK or Vanity Fair (someone didn't attribute the quote) said John Ramsey had "seized control" of the company when it became AG. Would like to know how that played out. Anybody? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Janphi, why" Posted by sarah on 05:34:29 4/19/2000 would you throw in parts of Tidewater, Va.? If you want to throw in parts of Tidewater, feel free. In researching Vidar, the company that was located in Mountain View, everything I found came up in Hearndon, Va., which I suppose is it's newer, current location. I couldn't even find Vidar in the Mountain View yellow pages. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Vidar" Posted by sarah on 06:07:47 4/19/2000 I don't know if this Vidar is the same Vidar John spoke about in the depo., But I assume it is. I couldn't find an existing Vidar in Mountain View, but plenty of Vidar information came up on a search, all locations in Hearndon., Va. If anybody can find Vidar in Mountain View feel free to correct or amend this. For reference: Headquarters VIDAR Systems Corporation 460 Spring Park Place Herndon, Virginia, USA 20170 Phone: 1-703-471-7070 1-800-471-7226 Fax: 1-703-471-1165 http://www.vidar.com Founded: 1984 Ownership: Privately held. Owned by Yggdrasil, a corporation based in Malmo, Sweden ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Note: Founded in 1984 According to John's timeline, he started Access Graphic in '89, while he was working with Vidar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is just their business info, what they sell. Y Business: VIDAR Systems Corporation is a leading provider of large-format document scanning solutions and x-ray film digitizers. VIDAR manufactures TruScan(r) large-format scanners and TruInfo(tm) software solutions-together, they address many of the scanning needs in the CAD engineering, reprographics and mapping markets. Additionally, the company manufactures x-ray film digitizers for a variety of medical and scientific applications, including PACS, teleradiology, and oncology treatment planning. Positioned for dynamic growth, VIDAR prides itself on its can-do team of professionals and its internationally recognized, reliable scanning solutions. TruInfo is next-generation scanner control software featuring indexing and archiving. In concert with VIDAR's large-format scanners, TruInfo enables users to scan, view, archive, share, and print documents. For CAD engineering applications, TruInfo is the perfect simple solution to do things better without changing the way you do business today. Reprographic Solutions EasyCopy (tm), a revolutionary new concept in large format copying solutions, is an add-on to VIDAR's large format scanners. It will begin shipping in late May, 1999. EasyCopy is a touchpad attached to the side of a VIDAR color scanner, along with a powerful computer fastened to the back of that same scanner. It enables untrained users to simply walk up to a VIDAR scanner, press a few simple buttons and copy large format documents. SmartCopy adds extra power to an EasyCopy equipped scanner. It gives customers a flat-screen monitor, a cursor control and a full keyboard attached to their scanners. It also gives walk-up users all the controls available in CopySystems, without having to use the valuable real estate normally taken up by a computer, monitor and keyboard traditionally used to control copying solutions. Developed in conjunction with VIDAR's technology partner, SCP Software GmbH, EasyCopy enables the simplest possible copying solution for every organization that needs to reproduce large documents. Both color or monochrome images can be captured with this solution, so all users can capture virtually all their large format documents and print our as many copies as the they need onto a large variety of large format printers, including Hewlett Packard, Encad, Epson, Rastergraphics, Selex, Mutoh and Xerox. CopySystems (tm) , developed in partnership with SCP Software GmbH , is a complete color and black & white reprographics solution including scanner, software, and plotter. It features excellent color fidelity, high performance, and outstanding detail precision. For the first time, a flexible repropgraphic solution is available at an affordable price. SCP is mainly known in the German reprography industry as the founder of 'Digital Reprography'. Since its foundation in 1990, the company has been known as an innovator of new ideas, trends and techniques. Our Medical Product Line: VIDAR offers a complete line of diagnostic-quality, cost-effective x-ray film digitizing solutions. No other company can match VIDAR's products in performance, reliability, and value. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "I think Vidar" Posted by Holly on 06:17:26 4/19/2000 was in CA in the early 80s. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "listener, janphi, ayelean, mary99 et al" Posted by Holly on 05:49:49 4/19/2000 Thanks! This is getting better and better. I'm not sure if MW ever met the Garroters in person, I'll ask mame today. I think, but am not sure, that 17 year old MW ,may have moved to the LA area after Boykin's conviction -- he tracked her down despite precautions. Are you guys sugesting that the Boykins lived where JR may have been involved in computers-- Mountain View? Godamighty. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Holly" Posted by janphi on 06:32:09 4/19/2000 She said she moved out-of-state and he found her. I just posted that story quote on here somewhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Janphi." Posted by Holly on 06:33:44 4/19/2000 That's right. Thanks. I'll get into this stuff with mame today. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Job Offer" Posted by Chris on 06:00:39 4/19/2000 I can't say for certain if the job offer was or wasn't in DOI but I know it was definately in the deposition of John Ramsey by Lee Hill. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "I really want to know this --" Posted by Holly on 06:04:39 4/19/2000 Did Boykin or his family actually live in Mountain View? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Also -- " Posted by Holly on 06:05:39 4/19/2000 How can you figure out someone's SS#? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Access In Mexico" Posted by sarah on 06:30:39 4/19/2000 You have to read a bit to find it. I copied the entire article because it is interesting in itself. *Sometimes people have a hard time grasping just how wealthy the Rams are. *Note also the last paragraph. If you take the stance that Patsy [alone] murdered Jon Benet in a fit of blind rage, how do you come to terms with the fact that John left his child-killing, murderous wife alone with his son Burke?? Business as usual at Access Graphics By Charlie Brennan %%byline%%By Charlie Brennan Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer BOULDER -- John and Patsy Ramseys' move to Atlanta and away from the city where their daughter was slain is not expected to cause any noticable changes in business at Access Graphics. John Ramsey, president and chief executive officer of the Boulder-based computer software distributor, can handle all his regular duties just as well from a Georgia base, a company spokeswoman said. No relocation of the firm's 420 Boulder employees is expected. But the Ramseys' new chapter is clearly set to begin. A large van was stationed outside their Chautauqua-area home Friday, as movers carted the last of the Ramseys' belongings from the residence and prepared to ship them eastward. "Certainly, the location of his family has no effect,'' spokeswoman Laurie Wagner said. "John's involvement will continue to be on the level of a president and CEO; responsible for all locations of the business.'' Family associates have confirmed that the Ramseys have closed a deal for a $700,000 home in northwest Atlanta, about 10 miles from where they buried their daughter, JonBenet. The 6-year-old kindergartener was found slain in the Ramseys' now-vacant Boulder home Dec. 26. She suffered a fractured skull and was strangled. The slaying remains unsolved. Wagner said after the family settles into their new home, John Ramsey, 54, will continue to divide his work days between Boulder and Access Graphics' other offices. Access Graphics, with more than 600 employees worldwide, boasts sizable offices in Mexico City and Amsterdam, as well as Boulder. It posted gross sales in 1996 in excess of $1 billion. Wagner expected little deviation from the business routine in Boulder. "It is easier to make connections to Mexico City and Amsterdam from Atlanta than it is from Denver,'' she said. "We have a business structure of strategic units, each of which is headed by a vice president,'' she said. "They run those today, and will continue to run those. And those people all report to John.'' Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter has said JonBenet's parents are the focus of the investigation. John and Patsy Ramsey have publicly declared their innocence. Patsy Ramsey and the couple's surviving child, 10-year-old Burke, have been spending the summer at the family's vacation home in Charlevoix, Mich., while John Ramsey has been splitting his time between Michigan and Boulder. July 12, 1997 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "listener" Posted by janphi on 06:29:06 4/19/2000 Here are the links to the stories we've seen so far on MW, other than what mame may have told us, which I didn't save. The Daily Camera (these may be in reverse chronological order): http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2000/09lrams.html http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2000/05lrams.html http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2000/26aram1.html http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2000/25arams.html And the Westword/Lee Hill article (MW stuff is toward the bottom of it, but all is interesting): http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-03-30/feature.html Hope that answers some of the questions! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "thanks Janphi!" Posted by sarah on 06:37:12 4/19/2000 I was looking for 2 of these. Now maybe I can use the free time to learn how to do BOLD on the message Board... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "You're welcome, Sarah" Posted by janphi on 06:47:04 4/19/2000 I just did "bold" for the first time--didn't think regular HTML would work, but it did. (I don't know a whole lot, but this one worked, anyway.) To bold a phrase, put < b > in front of it without any spaces between the "<" and the "b" and the ">" To un-bold, put < /b > at the end of the section you wanted bold (again, no spaces)--and don't forget to close with that--everybody forgets at least once in their lifetimes, maybe more! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Thanks Jan Phi, again" Posted by sarah on 07:53:26 4/19/2000 o.k...now we need to learn how to import pictures! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Diane E" Posted by sarah on 06:41:51 4/19/2000 Can you see if Vidar is still in Mountain View? Maybe you can also pull up your local newspaper and 'search' Vidar for any extraneous info. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. " Vidar from the depo." Posted by sarah on 06:45:58 4/19/2000 Chris, is this what you are referring to? This is from the depo. 6 Q. Where did you go after BCS? 7 A. I went to work for a company called Vidar, 8 V-i-d-a-r. 9 Q. What did they do? 10 A. They made process monitoring systems. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "the depo" Posted by luvsflowers on 07:18:15 4/19/2000 someone please post a link to the depo. I need to read it again. thanks Luvs [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Info on Macky Boykin" Posted by Zhanna on 12:36:31 4/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:36:31, 4/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:05:33, 4/19/2000 Holly, although I've been around since 2/97 on the old BNF, I rarely post. Here's info on a Macky Boykin culled from one of the geneology databases: (Of course, this may not be the right Macky Boykin.) Born: 11 Oct 1933 Died: 9 Nov 1995 Residence: 93592 The "93592" zip code is Trona, California, which is east in the desert almost to Death Valley on Rt. 178. Rt. 178 appears to be a narrow corridor of civilian land running between the northern and southern sections of the China Lake Naval Weapons Center. IOW, the only civilian communities in the entire area are those several small communities along Rt. 178. So: Macky Boykin's last known address was Trona, California, and he lived within 5 five miles of the China Lake Naval Weapons Center facility. I am wondering if he may have been employed at the Naval Weapons Center. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Okay" Posted by driver on 10:55:19 4/19/2000 so we have Boykin and Trona, California.... _ B. T. C. Where is the S? There are so many possibilities to those initials. It really is creepy, isn't it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Trona is east of " Posted by SJ on 14:50:48 4/19/2000 San Louis Obismo. S an Louis Obismo B oykin T rona C alifornia ????????? A code that the writer used to show that she knows the link between them all? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Isn't that " Posted by Holly on 11:43:45 4/19/2000 Manson turf? About his DOD -- I think that is in question. Can you get anyone's SS#. Good job! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Holly..." Posted by heididi on 17:36:08 4/19/2000 Here is the ss# info off of Family Tree Maker cd. Hope this helps. Heidi Boykin, Macky ss# 556-44-3070 issued in CA born Oct. 11, 1933 died Nov. 9, 1995 last known residence in zip code 93592, Trona, CA [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL heididi ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "SS info" Posted by Zhanna on 11:59:00 4/19/2000 Dates of birth, death, and SS numbers for all deceased US citizens having had SS numbers are online at www.ancestry.com SSs are not available online for living persons to my knowledge. Eeeks! If you feel that was NOT the right DOD, then maybe this person was not "the" Macky Boykin after all. In which case, maybe I ought to delete or edit my previous post. Do you feel this is not the right person? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "This is the right" Posted by SJ on 14:55:33 4/19/2000 Macky Boykin. I have the same info. SS lists his date of death as 11-9-95, rather than Nov of 96 like the newspaper article did. Am working on more info. This is the only Macky Boykin who was born in and died in California in all the records I've searched. And there were plenty. There are a lot of Boykins in and around the LA area, and also San Jose and within a day or so driving distance of San Luis Obismo. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "It's the right person" Posted by Holly on 14:49:47 4/19/2000 wrong year of death -- I think he died in 1996. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "driver, et. al..." Posted by Dr. Who on 11:56:31 4/19/2000 wonder if he had a nickname (like *sonny*?) "Mr. Ramsey" or his aquaintances knew him by? The MW stuff is definitely *weird* enough I hope people are looking at it... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Trona" Posted by Denver on 11:50:37 4/19/2000 Trona is also near lots of oil fields..... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "DOI job offer reference" Posted by DebDeb on 14:47:41 4/19/2000 Here is what John said about the job offer in DOI after being fired from AT&T- I ended up working for a California electronics company named Acurex and began selling data acquisition systems in the southeast, living in Atlanta. In 1977, after several repeated attempts, Acurex finally game me an ultimatum:"Move from Atlanta to Mountain View, California, or else." in order to grow with the company, I needed to be at headquarters. I needed little reflection to recognize that moving to California would be a heavier financial load than we could possible carry. I couldn't imagaine how anyone could afford to pay 80 or 90 thousand dollars for a house in what was to become Silicon Valley. I had paid 40 thousand for my house in theAtlanta suburb of Lilburn, and even that was a stretch for me. Though the job offered opportunity and security, it just wasn't feasible for me to make the move. I eventually gave Acurex a counteroffer: let me stay in Georgia and become the company's manufacturer's representative in the Southeast. Acurex management bought the idea, and so I started down the tenuous road of being in business for myself. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "another hinky" Posted by Dianne E. on 15:26:49 4/19/2000 Most major Silicon Valley companies have offices in Brussels, NOT Amsterdam, which is 150 miles or so from Amsterdam. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dianne E. ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "another SS# source" Posted by Zhanna on 15:38:42 4/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:38:42, 4/19/2000 There's also a Social Security Death Index search form on this site: familytreemaker.com/allsearch.html This one is better; you can specify both name and year. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Apologies galore" Posted by listener on 16:31:05 4/19/2000 for my wrong statements as to where MW & her therapist lived. Sure didn't mean to mislead anyone. Surely a person must know when they begin to go crazy, eh? Thank you, janphi: your links were of great help to me, and no doubt to all the others that I confused. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "my mistake was..." Posted by mary99 on 17:51:49 4/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:51:49, 4/19/2000 On another thread, part 2, I hypothesized that if MW's 6-year-old niece was at the party with a parent, MW would thus be sister to Priscilla White and Allison Sheony (whom we know are sisters) or sister to the child's father. That is true, but there is another possible connection; she may be sister to Heather Cox,(PW's niece) or her husband Bill, or sister to X (name?) Shoeny, whom I infer to be the divorced husband of Allison, since Shoeny is not her original surname,(of Brown) and her current boyfriend was at the party. MW's mother could be in the Cox, Brown or Shoeny family. Or she could have married a Cox, Brown or Shoeny before she married Boykin. Macky Boykin, from the Westword article, was 'in her life as far back as she could remember'. Meaning that her mother may have married Boykin's brother (who is not MW's father, BTW) and thus MW's siblings could be Cox, Brown or Shoeny. Also, MW, if she had a sister or brother, would be the aunt of any of her sibling's children. If she had a brother, he might be a Cox, Brown or Shoeny. That would put her niece by one of those last names at the party. Since we know she said one of her former abusers was at the party, with the 6-year-old, and we know of a Fleet White/goddaughter connection between MW's mother and FWsr, and given that we only know what we know, (which is incomplete, probably) it's possible that her former abuser at the party was her brother, and/or Cox, Brown or Shoeny. Can marriage or birth records be checked online? I think from what we know about Mystery Witness's family, they were not supportive of her at all. Mystery Witness is safe and in hiding. I'm going to try to find Browns, Coxes and Shoeny in Los Osos. Please feel free to correct my family associations, as they were wrong before and there is probably a mistake or two in the above hypothetical possibilities. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Thanks Zhanna," Posted by Holly on 17:32:44 4/19/2000 Keep digging. How close is Trona to Los Osos? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Trona to Los Osos" Posted by Zhanna on 19:00:58 4/19/2000 Holly, from a road map, it looks as though the distance would be at least 200 miles. The route is not a direct one because of the need to circumvent the coastal mountain ranges. The Los Angeles area appears to be more of a direct route from Trona; probably in the 100 to 150 mile range. There's a cluster of five small communities in close proximity there at the end of the world. They sit along a 10-mile stretch of highway 178 running through an aisle of land dissecting the northern from the southern section of the China Lake Naval Weapons Center (CLNW is huge, appearing to occupy as much as 1800 square miles). Heading eastward the towns are: Westend, Borosolvay, Argus, Trona, and Pioneer Point. Pioneer Point is only about 2 miles beyond Trona. Beyond that is nothing except desolate wilderness followed by Death Valley, IOW, don't bother to scream. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Hey super sleuths!" Posted by Holly on 06:41:51 4/20/2000 Makes you sick, doesn't it. In order for a decades old sex ring to be successful, it needs to find offender friendly local law enforcement. It's the rights of the offenders that are important at those cop shops -- not the citizen seeking information about community predators. Now you know why local SLO or LO cops couldn't wait to tell BPD that MW was a "fruit loop". And "Toucan Sam" Beckner bought right into it. Very powerful, influential and rich people play these games. It's nothing new, You or I would be laughed at and locked up in two minutes. That's why I think law enforcement will not support MW. They'll label her a fruit loop and ignore her claims. It would take guts, smarts and a real sense of justice to probe the bottomless pit of abuse, manipulation, money and power -- the BPD and sadly, prolly the FBI. can't deal with it. It will be up to us to keep pushing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "This quote came from>>>" Posted by ayelean on 17:54:09 4/19/2000 the last article from the Daily Camera posted in one of the preceeding posts: ..................................... The woman said she knows the Ramseys through the Fleet White family. She said the godfather to her mother is Fleet White Sr., 86, of California. Fleet White Jr. of Boulder and John Ramsey were close friends until the death of JonBenét. .......................................... note she does not say 'knows of. But that is not even where I got the info about her speaking with Patsy. It was even more definitive than that! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Well Mary.....tick tock..." Posted by sarah on 20:45:18 4/19/2000 Did ya find anything? I did. I found that these towns are shut up tight as a drum. The court records, police and sheriff's dept. pages show smiling faces of the city personnel. If you want information you better look elsewhere. The newspaper archives are selected, meaning you can only read what they want to read. If you want to find out about area sex offenders you have to go in to the police station and show i.d.s.,you are not allowed to take pictures, and you may only view 2 pictures per visit. If you want to report an offender or information on an offender, it is even more ridiculous. You have to give the offenders name. You have to give the person's address. You have to provide the person's ss#. In other words, you better know this person very well. And I thought Colorado was soft on their offenders! Megan's Law, a federal mandate, gives policing authorities the power to print pictures and statistics on registered sex offenders. This law for the people is worthless in these areas. I hope your search was more productive than mine. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "sarah" Posted by mary99 on 04:35:15 4/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 04:35:15, 4/20/2000 As an official super-sleuth, you have confirmed what I suspected...I was unable to find anything of substance at all. I thought it was my lack of experience with search (snooping) techniques, but you have arrived at the same place as me...nowhere. However, that is telling in and of itself. There are some dirty secrets in those scenic vistas, and the coverup is locked down tight. Last night, I tried to put a link for the online Tribune News, the local SLO newspaper. My bookmark was fine, but the posted link said 'Good news and bad news, etc. Oh well, then I tried to put a link to a map up. After all, in the Visitors section of the Tribune, there is a map which can be linked to other sites, or so it says. But when I posted the link, it came back to the midwest. After three tries, all coming back to other areas, I gave up. They don't want to found and like it that way. Then I tried the WhoWhat listings. There are 90 Browns in San Luis Obispo. The first listing is for A Brown, and I thought of Allison, Priscilla's sister, now Brown, possibly and formerly Shoeny. So I went to see if I could discover tax assessor's records to get more info. Locked up tight. Ok, how many people live in SLO? (Does 90 Browns qualifies as an 'enclave'?) Checked both the city and county web sites. By then my confidence was dimming rapidly. No luck in finding out the general population of SLO or Los Osos. I gave up and went to bed! From reading at A Candy Rose, rumor has it that rameson is heading to Boulder and then possibly to CA. Happy camping, rameson, may your bus end up in Death Valley! Watch the spin carefully next week, hir will try to discredit MW. Sarah, Chart, Janphi, Cher and all supa-sleuths here have been a great help in fact-finding and digging up the real scoop on the businesses JR was associated with, the info on Boykin and more. When the going gets tough, we gotta keep going! I hope the Feds, if they are encountering the same mentality of 'closed up tight, gone fishin' are bright enough to realize this is exactly why they need to keep digging. This stinks more than Sue Stine's trash barrel! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Populations" Posted by janphi on 06:24:10 4/20/2000 The 1990 Census for Los Osos was population 8000. For San Luis Obispo was 41958. There may have been an intermediate update, but I don't have it at my fingertips. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "janphi" Posted by mary99 on 06:41:58 4/20/2000 Hey, that just shows I don't know how to sleuth! So do you think 90 Browns in San Luis Obispo is a lot? IOW, is this possibly the roots of the Priscilla Brown White side of the family? In fact, with FW sr being her mother's godfather, she is most likely related to the Whites (ie, the niece) vs the Browns, Coxes or Shoenys. I did find a bunch of matches for: Allison Brown, PW's sister, in Fresno, Coronado, Bakersfield, Vacaville and Huntington Beach. Also William Cox in Mountain View, and three Whites (no Fleets) in Los Osos. One Boykin also in Mountain View. A Heather Cox in Redlands. Do we know where in Calofornia the Whites hail from? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "Hmmm..." Posted by Chris on 07:49:51 4/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:49:51, 4/20/2000 Here's a hint...to the very best of my knowledge, the person who took MW's niece to Fleet White's house has not been named. P.S. I had the same problems all of you have had trying to sleuth this stuff out. Even Lexis-Nexis is of little help. I wonder why? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "connected persons..." Posted by rose on 10:18:08 4/20/2000 Surely there is someone on this forum who has connections to someone in law enforcement who could sleuth this for us. Where are the investigative reporters. This could be a blockbuster of a story if it can be proved. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "MW's sister" Posted by nostradamus on 10:09:14 4/20/2000 I just found the information for MW's sister but question whether I should put it on a public forum. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Yikes, Nostra!" Posted by Holly on 10:12:32 4/20/2000 How did you do that? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Probably not nostradamus..." Posted by Dr. Who on 10:15:57 4/20/2000 but you, sarah, holly, and the others working this angle ought to share it with each other via eMail and see where it leads...of course reporting back to this thread anything interesting lol ;-)... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Yea, Dr Who." Posted by Holly on 10:27:19 4/20/2000 But emailing behind the scenes is to protect MW. Eventually we will have enough to really shock the living daylights out of people -- if our hunches pan out. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Holly" Posted by nostradamus on 10:17:32 4/20/2000 I'm good at sleuthing? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Really, nostra..." Posted by Holly on 10:25:18 4/20/2000 Are you good at emailing too? mreg@erols.com [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Nostradamas...." Posted by rose on 10:21:16 4/20/2000 If you don't think you can post this info., could you give us a clue as to how to find it for ourselves? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "Well, please post me a clue" Posted by janphi on 11:03:55 4/20/2000 I won't do e-mail, but I want to sleuth some more. I have been lost in Area 51 for the past 4 hours. Wish I'd watched X-Files, darn it. I started with Trona, where Macky Boykin (or his next of kin) collected his last Social Security check. That's where the Trona Pinnacles are, which you have probably all scene in car commercials--the desert rock formations with the car on top of them...I always thought that was Sedona! It is also known for special mineral deposits that are only found there, hanksite. (I assume named for Tom Hanks, ha ha.) Anyway, China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center, which surrounds the tiny town, is a MAJOR US defense facility. One million acres, testing of everything, all warheads, missiles, bombs. (Reading their site will make you giggle, because all through it they talk about how they are protecting our Fleet, with Fleet always capitalized--grin.) It is an enormous research facility, 4,000 civilian scientists to only 1,000 military personnel. It is also called "Secret City," if you can handle that. Most everything official is listed as having addresses in Ridgecrest, the bigger town nearby, or simply China Lake, CA. So maybe if Boykin (or spouse or child) listed Trona, I have gone off on a tangent. In case I hadn't, I checked out an underground UFO site, which pointed out that one of the major suppliers there was Lockheed-Martin. And yes, it all does tie in not only with Area 51, 180 miles away in Nevada (which I don't think means anything), but it is also tied directly (like "direct hit," I mean) to Port Mugu, which is adjacent to Port Hueneme, where JR was stationed briefly before the Philippines. So, I'm just wondering if Mackyboy was also a Navy guy. And if so, was he a TOP SECRET Navy guy like someone else we know. And if so, does Lockheed-Martin fit in here anywhere? Like, if we're wondering what Patsy has on JR that keeps him lying for her (disclaimer--I believe they are both equally guilty and perhaps neither knows who did the final thing that killed JB), perhaps there is a MW-FW-Boykin-Calif-Lock-Ram connection somehow. If not, Emily LaTella says, "Never mind." PS I have been trying to post this for 15 minutes and couldn't. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "janphi" Posted by Holly on 14:47:13 4/20/2000 I wouldn't waste time at that Area 51 site -- they'd never leave the good stuff where some Russian satellite could photograph it. :-) What happened toNnostra? No email... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Good work, Janphi" Posted by mary99 on 11:18:17 4/20/2000 here's another tidbit: There's a T. Boykin, in Trona, and an M. in SLO. The military base/DOD/LM connection seems to be a common denominator. While Brown is a fairly common name, it's interesting that there are 100 listings in Mountain View, 90 in SLO, and 16 in Los Osos. A small un-foreign faction, seems like. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "connection" Posted by blcat2 on 12:56:35 4/20/2000 Is there a Paugh, Boykin connection or a Paugh connection with this mystery woman? blcat2 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "nostradamus" Posted by pat on 13:13:13 4/20/2000 had you ever heard the name of the sister before and were you shocked at the name. All that would shock me now would be if the sister was one of alex's ex wives,,now that would blow me over. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Murderer of 2 will stand trial in SLO" Posted by mary99 on 18:23:26 4/20/2000 Here's a link to a weird killer in San Luis Obispo who bound one victim with ropes, another victim disappeared leaving only a huge puddle of blood...The FBI was involved, possibly because of the ritual abuse/serial killer overtones. This happened in March 1999, when Mystery Witness was living in the area. http://www.fresnobee.com/localnews/story/0%2C1724%2C103244%2C00.html [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "mary" Posted by pat on 20:31:04 4/20/2000 that blew me away. Now where is nostradamus with some answers if not an identity. Is Krebs related to anyone we know????? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "pat" Posted by mary99 on 20:46:54 4/20/2000 I spent quite some time poking around at the ancestry sites looking up Whites, Coxes and Browns. All relevant files on Brown or White that I located (with proper state, first name, etc) were gone...'file not found'...error 404. I did track a JW sleuth though, who left an e-mail for info at one site, dated 4-19-2000. Well, I think it was one of us. A request for info on a certain Macky Boykin, of California, complete with DOB, DOD, and SS #. That's as close as I came to a hit today, though. But, that's using the free public geneology pages and sites put up by folks like us, it's not by any means as complete as the $199.00 Family Tree CD Rom. And once you get the CD, nobody can delete files from it. Well, we must be barking at the heels of the 'target'. Now, nostradamus, come forth and share a clue! :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "Family Tree Maker CDs..." Posted by heididi on 23:10:16 4/20/2000 I have the 6 CD set, I'm going to go see what I can come up with... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "one more thought" Posted by mary99 on 20:51:25 4/20/2000 Reading my previous post, I will hypothesize that the families White and Brown are the ones we should be interested in. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "another good source..." Posted by Zhanna on 21:07:28 4/20/2000 A good deal of the stuff on this site is free... http://www.search3.knowx.com/infoam/infoam.exe?form=infoam.htm [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Has anyone done any checking " Posted by Colorado-an on 21:31:58 4/20/2000 through the Mormon Church? They carry a great deal of information. I have done some geneology and have looked there. Don't know if you would find anything like what you may be looking for but I believe you can get DOB and DOD. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]