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John and Patsy Passed Their Polygraph Test!, tall-p, 21:57:42, 4/28/2000 I agree, lake, 22:37:58, 4/28/2000, (#1) easy poly, Seashell, 22:57:14, 4/28/2000, (#2) IF, lake, 23:07:34, 4/28/2000, (#3) Sorry Lake, socks, 23:37:56, 4/28/2000, (#5) I'm with you socks, chebrock, 00:00:33, 4/29/2000, (#6) I agree Socks, ace21214, 20:52:35, 4/29/2000, (#59) I agree on the spin team, socks, 23:43:35, 4/29/2000, (#65) Why do I, docg, 23:13:11, 4/28/2000, (#4) You guys have convinced me., AutumnBorn, 00:32:25, 4/29/2000, (#7) Well of Course, lake, 00:40:06, 4/29/2000, (#8) I don't think they have , Holly, 05:22:03, 4/29/2000, (#14) Over the edge, Brightlight, 01:57:59, 4/29/2000, (#10) DID, Austin, 01:33:31, 4/29/2000, (#9) Austin, Bobby, 04:34:09, 4/29/2000, (#12) Another Sleight-Of-Hand ?, sarah, 04:28:05, 4/29/2000, (#11) Lin Wood, lake, 05:02:21, 4/29/2000, (#13) 'Rams go get your own test done ...', Ajila, 13:58:06, 4/29/2000, (#37) Ajila, socks, 00:05:11, 4/30/2000, (#66) Was Lin Wood on?, sabrina, 07:10:54, 4/29/2000, (#18) Can't jump over a telephone wire, pinker, 06:46:05, 4/29/2000, (#16) Hate to Ask, Ruthee, 06:30:29, 4/29/2000, (#15) Another Possibility, JuneCleaver, 07:06:31, 4/29/2000, (#17) I agree, Greenleaf, 08:27:24, 4/29/2000, (#24) BPD Conditions..., JuneCleaver, 07:53:01, 4/29/2000, (#20) No Pass, Ribaldone, 07:46:14, 4/29/2000, (#19) F.B.I. Involvement, v_p, 08:01:48, 4/29/2000, (#21) v_p, socks, 00:15:12, 4/30/2000, (#67) Game playing..., Country Girl, 08:14:28, 4/29/2000, (#23) Yeah and then, Ribaldone, 08:13:05, 4/29/2000, (#22) Lake, you said it:, fiddler, 09:49:54, 4/29/2000, (#25) Crashed into the Wall!!!, Ginja, 10:31:16, 4/29/2000, (#28) On BOP they said, Cassandra, 10:03:44, 4/29/2000, (#26) if they took one, Texan, 10:30:55, 4/29/2000, (#27) "What to do,what to do", Edie Pratt, 10:50:45, 4/29/2000, (#30) if it is not the BPD or the FBI, cstuart, 10:43:52, 4/29/2000, (#29) cstuart, of course, stryker, 14:31:43, 4/29/2000, (#42) 30-40,000 pages, janphi, 11:07:30, 4/29/2000, (#31) LOL Polygraph Passed LOL, Shamrockpati, 11:46:46, 4/29/2000, (#32) Well, lake, 12:30:37, 4/29/2000, (#34) I don't care, gaiabetsy, 12:08:55, 4/29/2000, (#33) Who would pay, kdubois2, 12:38:57, 4/29/2000, (#35) Think it all the way through!, chebrock, 13:08:31, 4/29/2000, (#36) lake--maybe, but, fiddler, 14:05:40, 4/29/2000, (#38) I don't think so, Ruthee, 14:16:43, 4/29/2000, (#39) Ruthee, Ajila, 14:32:23, 4/29/2000, (#43) fiddler, lake, 14:19:06, 4/29/2000, (#40) Like a poker game, lake, 14:27:26, 4/29/2000, (#41) O.K., I changed my mind, Greenleaf, 14:45:31, 4/29/2000, (#45) Actually, lake,, fiddler, 14:39:45, 4/29/2000, (#44) Exactly, fiddler, lake, 14:59:25, 4/29/2000, (#46) Sorry Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, Ruthee, 15:13:50, 4/29/2000, (#47) Oh and Patsy, Ruthee, 15:15:59, 4/29/2000, (#48) unhuh!, tall-p, 17:06:04, 4/29/2000, (#54) Attorney/Client Privilege is BS, straykat2, 15:47:48, 4/29/2000, (#50) Of course , tall-p, 17:12:38, 4/29/2000, (#55) Absolutely, lake, 15:53:44, 4/29/2000, (#51) Maybe, Ruthee, lake, 15:24:23, 4/29/2000, (#49) Well Lake, Ruthee, 16:16:41, 4/29/2000, (#52) I bet you are right!, tall-p, 16:55:57, 4/29/2000, (#53) You know, lake, 20:17:35, 4/29/2000, (#56) No Lake,, Ribaldone, 20:43:39, 4/29/2000, (#57) lake, I give you respect, Shee, 21:11:44, 4/29/2000, (#60) Shee, lake, 21:24:08, 4/29/2000, (#61) Oh I get it now, lake, 20:48:34, 4/29/2000, (#58) alright now lake, Shee, 21:35:31, 4/29/2000, (#62) But I know it is really lake, tall-p, 01:05:37, 4/30/2000, (#68) Listening to Prozac, docg, 22:10:41, 4/29/2000, (#63) I suspect that , SJ, 22:59:49, 4/29/2000, (#64) ................................................................... "John and Patsy Passed Their Polygraph Test!" Posted by tall-p on 21:57:42 4/28/2000 John and Patsy have taken polygraph tests and passed. They wouldn't want to take them if they had failed, that is for sure. COSSACK: Patsy, let me ask you a question. When I was a lawyer and before I would let my clients take a lie detector test, I used to make sure that they could pass their lie detector tests. I know you have very excellent lawyers, I know some of your lawyers. Have you privately taken a lie detector test? either of you? or both of you? and have you passed it already? J. RAMSEY: You were asked the question, go ahead. P. RAMSEY: I think that is kind of an inappropriate question, if you're so up on -- i think that's lawyer-client privilege and I don't wish to ruin that but... J. RAMSEY: Being a lawyer, also recognize that any lawyer would tell their clients: Do not, under any circumstances, take a police polygraph test. They are subjective. We've gotten a number of letters from former polygraphers, we got one the other day from a retired FBI polygrapher, who said I could make the pope look deceptive, if I chose to do so. We got a letter from a state attorney general who said: You are absolutely correct, it must be fair and independent if you are going to do this. Don't give up on the point. VAN SUSTEREN: Patsy, you know, the truth is, I mean, you know, there's a lot of doubt as to whether polygraphs are good or bad. Some courts say they're acceptable, some don't. But the whole issue of polygraph was raised by both of you on "LARRY KING." Why not -- if you think this is important, why not get one of these preeminent polygraphers and do it yourself and release it? Forget about Boulder Police Department. P. RAMSEY: Well, we have -- because we want the Boulder police to be, you know, to be part of this. It was their, you know, invitation letter that came to us to say, let's go forward with this. VAN SUSTEREN: But they've never just -- they've never been on, quote -- from day one, they have suspected you. And, you know, frankly, I don't know if you could ever change their view, but if you want to take a polygraph, if you think it's important, if you think it is wise, why not just do it and release the results? P. RAMSEY: The only reason I think it is important, Greta, because I don't -- I mean, there is a reason: They're inadmissible in court. You know, if they were of that much value, they would be admissible in court. But the reason I'm willing to do that is -- that if this is another stumbling block yet again that police are using to hamper the forward march of this investigation, we're willing to do anything to get off that dime. COSSACK: Well, John, if you're willing to do anything, why don't you go in and take the test that the police wish to offer you as well as taking one from your own -- from the people that you want to have it take -- give it to you? J. RAMSEY: We have said -- and our condition was simple -- we want to do a fair and independent test. That seems like a very fair... P. RAMSEY: Not that difficult. J. RAMSEY: ... uncomplex request. If you're an attorney, would you recommend that we do -- take an unfair test for heaven sakes? This is our life. COSSACK: If I was your attorney, I probably wouldn't have recommended that you take the test at all. J. RAMSEY: As our attorneys have recommended. We are going against our attorneys' recommendations on this. VAN SUSTEREN: Let me ask the question -- and don't mean to invade the attorney-client privilege, but this whole -- I mean, frankly, I'm with Roger and I don't care how innocent my clients are, I never want them to take polygraph tests because people can fail them who are innocent. So it's always a problem. But given that, have you -- you know, have you actually done -- have you been polygraphed on this particular issue -- either one of you at this point? J. RAMSEY: We can't answer that, Greta. That's, I believe, is an attorney-client privilege. What we have said is we will take a fair and independent polygraph test. P. RAMSEY: There is no question that we are afraid to ask. The truth does not change. If you ask me any question, I will, as truthfully as I possibly, humanly can, answer the question. And there's nothing I'm afraid to answer. COSSACK: John, why do you think it's attorney-client privilege just for the notion of whether or not you took the test? I'm not asking you what the results were, but just merely whether or not you have taken the test independently. P. RAMSEY: We're looking forward to taking the test. Hopefully -- I mean, I see no reason why this test, this leading person that has -- whose name has been given to the police chief, Beckner, hopefully that -- you know, I can't imagine why he would not accept this person's name. He's preeminent. So we look forward to that. VAN SUSTEREN: But why didn't they accept it? I mean, I... P. RAMSEY: Well, we haven't heard yet. J. RAMSEY: We don't know. We're hopeful that they will. P. RAMSEY: We just were in discussions yesterday. I mean, this -- we haven't heard back yet. VAN SUSTEREN: Give me a prediction: Do you think the polygraph -- you'll reach an agreement? J. RAMSEY: Why wouldn't they. P. RAMSEY: Oh, absolutely. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "I agree" Posted by lake on 22:37:58 4/28/2000 Don't think there should be very much doubt about the probability that the 2 Rs have taken and passed a polygraph. Why not? If I could have a pre-test on an important test that was likley to affect my future in a big way, I would take advantage of the pre-test. Who would not? And for sure you would not want the final public test to be administered by someone that you thought had proven that they had an agenda against you, even though you know you had proven that you could pass the test if the examiner did not have a real or preceived agenda against you. And if Beckner thinks that the Rs are just bluffing and would not take a test, all he has to do is agree that the FBI is not the only entity in the world that can administer a reliable polygraph to the Rs and get the show on the road, one way or the other. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "easy poly" Posted by Seashell on 22:57:14 4/28/2000 J. RAMSEY: We have said -- and our condition was simple -- we want to do a fair and independent test. That seems like a very fair... P. RAMSEY: Not that difficult. J. RAMSEY: ... uncomplex request. If you're an attorney, would you recommend that we do -- take an unfair test for heaven sakes? This is our life.? There you have it! They want a fair and independent test that's not that difficult. Yes, I know you'll say that she was saying not that difficult a request....or was she? Pats speaks subconsciously more than she does consciously. The ransom note was much better written than PR speaks. Just thought I'd throw that in. Yes, they've prolly passed a poly but it wasn't a hard one - guaranteed! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "IF" Posted by lake on 23:07:34 4/28/2000 The Rs did take a polygraph, I would think that it would have been administered by the standards set by the National PG Association in accordance with Federal Gvt. standards used for tests they administer. There is not good reason for the Rs to take a "gimme" polygraph and then go public and agree to take a polygraph administered according to standards set by experts in that field. I give the Ramsey credit for being much smarter than that. And anyone who does not, is making a big mistake in my opinion. And yes, I know the BPD made a lot of mistakes in this case. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Sorry Lake" Posted by socks on 23:37:56 4/28/2000 That is chit, and chit don't float. I am sure they have taken lie detector test, but I guarantee you had they passed, that would have had the biggest spin the Ramsey team could have put together. They would have released that news immediately, and they would have gone on tv to tell the world they had passed. I agree they took a test, but they did not pass. The priviledge was their's to wave (the client/attorney priviledge) and I am sure had they passed, they would have waved the priviledge. After their appearance today on Burden of Proof, Patsy will need to wear a scarf around her neck the rest of her and John's life. They cut their own throats today. Keep talking Ramseys. All the better to hang you with. Just my opinion. socks [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "I'm with you socks" Posted by chebrock on 00:00:33 4/29/2000 I don't see any indication from what the Ramsey's have said recently regarding the polygraph that they have passed one. Quite the contrary. I see this offer of a polygraph as just another spin team ploy to get public sympathy. If they had passed a polygraph, they'd be taking one right now. One other thing that convinces me they haven't passed a polygraph is that their original attorney, Hal Haddon isn't representing them any more. His departure seemed to coincide with their book and talk show circuit. It was there that they said they'd take polygraphs. I think Haddon dropped them for offering to take the polygraph because he knows they failed miserably and that they were just trying to sway public perception. That they'd never take the test and make who ever their lawyer is look like a fool. Haddon passed on that one. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "I agree Socks" Posted by ace21214 on 20:52:35 4/29/2000 I agree with you Socks. If the Ramseys passed a polygraph there's no way they would keep their mouths shut about it. Also, they wouldn't have put all those conditions on taking a polygraph. If they passed, why would it make such a difference to them who the polygrapher would be? The Ramseys are famous for making it look like they're cooperating but when push comes to shove they never do. A quote from ST's book: "She (Patsy) was playing her usual coy game of offering to cooperate, then pulling away before anything could happen." That's exactly what happened here. They opened their traps by offering on national TV to take a polygraph, got caught, and "pulled away before anything could happen." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "I agree on the spin team" Posted by socks on 23:43:35 4/29/2000 They have been spinning all along. Like blamming the police for thinking it was a kidnapping. Hey, who wrote the ransom note, and called 911 and reported their daughter had been kidnapped? Who called everyone in Boulder and said, come on over, we're having a kidnapping party? Now just who screwed up the crime scene when they moved JonBenet's body? Then they have the nerve to say they have co-operated, when Patsy was laying doped up on the floor, on a mattress and John was upstairs drinking scotch. They couldn't possibly go down to the police station, there were too many press. Hey, peon, we are John and Patsy Ramsey, we are not your regular, low life parent's of a murdered child! How dare you to even question us. We are above reproach!!!! I recall a poor lady in Florida that went on television when her daughter was kidnapped, and pleaded with the kidnapper to drop her daughter off at a store or mall, she wasn't given the time to collapse or drink scotch. She was at the police station taking a lie detector test when her daughter was discovered at a mall or wal-mart. The kidnapper had heard her message. Thank God, but she was treated like a normal parent would be treated in that case, and she acted like an innocent parent would act. She went down to the police station, took a lie detector test. Why, because she was innocent. It is plan as that. No big deal, no excuses, no worm turnings. Ask Mark Klaus, he acted like a normal parent, and he definately was a suspect. It is clear, it is simple. I do not see a resonable doubt. socks [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Why do I" Posted by docg on 23:13:11 4/28/2000 have the feeling that if they *both* passed one we'd have heard about it? Sorry, I just can't imagine them keeping that to themselves. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "You guys have convinced me." Posted by AutumnBorn on 00:32:25 4/29/2000 You're right - they haven't taken one, or they did and didn't pass. They were too awkward during the BOP interview when it came up. They'd have been more confident if they had. Of course, they have no intention of taking one. And you're right, they would have been yelling it at the top of their lungs had they passed. The one thing that I really enjoyed hearing was John say that they were going against the advice of their lawyers in wanting to take the polygraph. That was a good joke. Sounds like they've run out of money and their lawyers ran out, too. Now they want an "entertainer/polygraph examiner" to conduct their tests. Sounds like pure Pats. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Well of Course" Posted by lake on 00:40:06 4/29/2000 They would not tell the public that they had taken an passed a polygraph. Why would they do that? That would take the edge off the public announcement that they had passed a polygraph approved by the BPD. They have Beckner backed into a corner now. Now all Beckner can do is hang on to his condition that the only entity qualified to give the Rs the test is the FBI. This could go on for years. Lin Wood could submit a new acceptable to the Rs source for the every week for the next 3 years and have Beckner reject them all because the FBI is his only choice. This could become very entertaining for a while, but it would get old pretty fast. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "I don't think they have " Posted by Holly on 05:22:03 4/29/2000 taken a polygraph and done any better than middle of the road. And who knows what drugs or techniques were used by them to alter the results. They don't want to admit to anything because then the public would ask to see the results and examination questions. The real question is -- why are they so afraid of the FBI? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Over the edge" Posted by Brightlight on 01:57:59 4/29/2000 These people are driving me nuts. I can't even imagine what it's been like for the BPD having to deal with these pompous idiots. Patsy's comment takes the cake: > ...because we want the Boulder police > to be, you know, to be part of this. > It was their, you know, invitation > letter... INVITATION letter? And they 'WANT the BP TO BE PART' of whatever in hell this fiasco is? How thoughtful. What planet are these two living on? With this logic every criminal serving time in a federal prison who had been administered a polygraph by the FBI should be demanding a new trial listening to these two. Why doesn't someone just call in MI5? They should be serving time just to get them to shut up. Even O.J. Simpson made more sense. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "DID" Posted by Austin on 01:33:31 4/29/2000 Just wondering, if they did really take it and pass, did they submit to a drug test beforehand? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Austin" Posted by Bobby on 04:34:09 4/29/2000 That's a good question. On BOP PR looks like she is drugged and lying the whole time. Keep talking. The BPD file is getting bigger and bigger, please keep talking. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Another Sleight-Of-Hand ?" Posted by sarah on 04:28:05 4/29/2000 Seashell I bet you know exactly where I'm going.. The magician pulls out a deck of 52 cards, splays them open, looks at you, and says, "pick a card, any card".. You grin and grab the card your fingers land on. The magician shuffles the deck, does his thing, and romances you with his neat trick. The grand finale is when he is able to tell you what card you are holding. You are totally amazed; he is so clever and inciteful. ... When all along, the truth of the matter is that you were a prop - he knew what card you would 'choose' even before he ever laid eyes on your face. Are we, the public, nothing more than a prop playing in to their hand; dupes in a clever game of sleight of hand? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Lin Wood" Posted by lake on 05:03:28 4/29/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 05:03:28, 4/29/2000 Is suspose to be on LKL tonight discussing the polygraph. Looks as though Wood may have set the BPD up and will eventually have a world renouned polygraph examiner test the Rs and do the rounds of the talk shows explaining the procedures he used in testing the Rs when they passed their polygraph test. And of course the person that Wood may select to test the Rs will be of world renoun and be held in the highest of esteem by most if not all of the law enforcement community. Maybe Beckner just got run over by Lin Wood and he does not even know it yet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "'Rams go get your own test done ...'" Posted by Ajila on 14:09:17 4/29/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:09:17, 4/29/2000 Lake wrote: >Maybe Beckner just got run over by Lin Wood and >he does not even know it yet. Maybe, but I doubt it. I applaud Beckner for standing up and saying we are not going to be any part of the Rams public relations campain. If they want a polygraph test, let them go get their own. That's the challenge now, as far as I'm concerned...'Rams go get your own test done with your own money and make the results public';P. I DARE YOU TO! Oh Yeah, Lin Wood, I'm sure, is trying to get his own name out there in this deal too. I bet he just loves being on TV. He really is good looking and a good talker and I'm sure he knows it. No one's going to forget who Lin Wood is, he's going to be famous now. Just like all the lawyers involved in the OJ case, right or wrong. Ajila edited to say: I don't care whether they passed or can pass a test or not. I just want some evidence that they are really going to quit playing games with us and try to help find JonBenet's murderer(s). That is, of course, if they are really innocent (which I doubt more and more). Reading that transcript from BOP, made me mad. The Rams can't answer one simple question straight...not one. Patsy said they would do anything to get of this dime so the BPD will move ahead, well Pats & John, DO SOMETHING, and quit talking in circles, criminy! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "Ajila" Posted by socks on 00:05:11 4/30/2000 I just loved the way John and Patsy side-stepped the question about how many investigators they have working on this case, and what clues the investigators had found of an intruder. According to Patsy, what the Ramsey's need are there or 4 of the best investigators that have worked at least 100 murder cases, and really love the Ramsey's, like Lou does, and the Boulder citizens pay for these perfect investigators. Gesh!! LAKE: Pardon me, but heheheeeee!! I got a vivid picture of the road runner cartoon when I read your post. Beep Beep!! move over Beckner, Ramsey's coming thru with Lin Wood, Beep, Beep, wide load!!!!Pammy is with them. socks [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Was Lin Wood on?" Posted by sabrina on 07:10:54 4/29/2000 I had Larry King on last night and did not see Lin Wood. Do I have alzheimers or what gives? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Can't jump over a telephone wire" Posted by pinker on 06:46:05 4/29/2000 If they did take and pass tests per their attorneys those results are useless and obsolete. They have never been indicted and there has never been a discovery phase. There was vital new evidence in Oct. that developed apart from the GJ. In Feb more incriminating evidence was uncovered. If the right questions about the new evidence were asked Patsey would probaly break down and confess. The FBI is coming to town because of this evidence. They're not coming to shot the breeze with Alex. How could an examiner picked by them know what to ask? Only the FBI has the background and ability to interpret the complexity and the difference between the genuine evidence and the stage props. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Hate to Ask" Posted by Ruthee on 06:30:29 4/29/2000 But would someone point me to the LKL interview? Thanks [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Another Possibility" Posted by JuneCleaver on 07:06:31 4/29/2000 They took LD tests and passed. But if they reveal that in an interview, they open themselves up for questions like "How many tests have you taken?" (Before finally passing) and "How much coaching have you had on passing a LD test?" I just don't think they would offer if they had not passed. If Beckner were smart, he would call their bluff and accept their examiner. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "I agree" Posted by Greenleaf on 08:27:24 4/29/2000 with June Cleaver. The Rams took a LD test and passed. Why do I think that? If they had never taken a LD test, their answer would have been different on BOP; i.e., that would not admit that they had indeed taken a LD test. WHY? Because they know that somewhere out there are people who KNEW they had taken the test and they might come forward and dispute their claims of not having taken one. (The last thing the Rams need is anothe big lie to hit the fan.) So, before they came on BOP, they knew that the LD test question would be coming up. WHAT TO DO? OH, WHAT TO DO? If asked (they had decided beforehand) they wouldadmit to having taken a LD test. Note, they did so reluctantly. They were asked and their answers were convoluted. Yet, they say they would take the test if administrated by someone their lawyer picked out; ANYONE BUT THE FBI. You can bet that the person's name they submitted to the BPD is the same person who gave them their "mild" test. A mild test in which they most probably passed. If they passed, why not tell? Geeze, why not even brag? BECAUSE, To do so would be counter-productive. (That would be their "little ace-up-the-sleeve secret.") Maybe best to let it leak out, down the road. The passing results would not come from their lips. They wanted a minimum number of questions on that subject asked. WHY? BECAUSE, if they visited the subject of "taking and passing," a floodgate of questions would ensue. Off the top of my head: "Well, Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, how many times did you take the test before you passed it?" (plus a million more questions, like that) On the other hand, if they took the test and failed, they probably would not have appeared on BOP. Coming on national t.v., on the heels of failing a LD test, amid the swirling LD test controversery, would have been unthinkable. Know this: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, ON GOD's GREEN EARTH, WILL THE RAMS EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, TAKE AN FBI TEST!!! Wait and see. In a few days, it will be "leaked" that they took the test and passed. There will be no other tests of any type or kind whatsoever. Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "BPD Conditions..." Posted by JuneCleaver on 07:53:01 4/29/2000 Accept their terms for LD if they will agree to appear in a televised forum, WITHOUT LAWYERS, with a qualified panel representing BPD not to address evidence, but to go over in detail what they call a "chronicle of cooperation". The Ramseys have publicly claimed complete cooperation with the authorities. The authorities are entitled to an equal opportunity to publicly refute those claims. The public is entitled to a complete picture, not just one well funded side of it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "No Pass" Posted by Ribaldone on 07:46:14 4/29/2000 The Ramseys haven't passed a poly. They spin and lie every time they open their mouths. If they passed a poly, the world would know it. Guaranteed. When Roger first asked Patsy if they'd taken one previously, she looked like a deer caught in the headlights. She was completely off guard and very nervous. She stuttered and stammered. Please. They've passed a poly? Now that's funny. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "F.B.I. Involvement" Posted by v_p on 09:19:11 4/29/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:19:11, 4/29/2000 Could someone please grow some b**ls and play the LKL tape of JR saying the F.B.I., as far as he knows, has NEVER been involved in this case. And play it right after they say they don't want the F.B.I. to administer the test BECAUSE OF their involvement. sheesh V. edited to add excerpt from LKL transcript: KING: By the way, you say you never saw the FBI that day. Did they eventually get involved? Were they eventually... J. RAMSEY: No. KING: Never got there? J. RAMSEY: I don't think they ever were allowed to be involved, which was horribly frustrating. KING: It's a kidnapping, aren't they the first ones that should call? J. RAMSEY: I would have -- I wish I would have called them first. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "v_p" Posted by socks on 00:15:12 4/30/2000 Great post, thanks for that. I remembered reading or hearing that, but could not remember where. Thanks for reminding us. socks [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Game playing..." Posted by Country Girl on 08:14:28 4/29/2000 They want the BPD involved? Please!! They want publicity for their BOOK! These parents don't care one bit about anything but their bank account. They have volunteers looking for the murderer of their child. They won't even disclose who or how many, yet whine about needing the public's help finding the killer. The only thing they are paying for is their lawyers and the book proceeds will pay for that. Follow the money! You don't see the Ramseys handing out snacks and water to people searching for missing children like Mark Klaas. That would be beneath them! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Yeah and then" Posted by Ribaldone on 08:13:05 4/29/2000 play the tape where he says he wants to all child murders to be a FEDERAL OFFENSE. HELLO? That means they would be investigated by the FBI! According to John, it's a great idea to have the FBI investigate all OTHER child murders, as long as they don't investigate him. Someone play the friggin tape and ASK THE QUESTION! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Lake, you said it:" Posted by fiddler on 09:49:54 4/29/2000 this could go on for years. And that's exactly the point. The Ramseys have no intention of actually taking any polygraphs (and yes, IMO if they have taken them, they failed--passing polygraphs would be too flattering not to trumpet it from the rooftops). Actually cooperating is not the point. LOOKING LIKE they are cooperating, while in fact offering nothing, is what this is all about for John and Patsy. Public relations, not helping the investigation--and as Beckner said, he has no interest in aiding any PR campaign. As far as Beckner being run over by Lin Wood, I'd say it's more like Wood has crashed headfirst into a cement wall. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Crashed into the Wall!!!" Posted by Ginja on 10:31:16 4/29/2000 I like that one, Fiddlah! Who's duping whom here? This goes way back before Wood was even involved in the case (imho). The Ramseys have been duping (or trying to) since Day One. The beauty of it is that Boulder's finally calling their bluff. The Ramseys have controlled the PR from Day One as well -- only ask certain questions, don't even mention that night; they've controlled 'who' administers anything: interviews, investigation, books, etc. What's new is they've gotten so bold as to start making personal appearances! BaBa and Katie were wussies -- too caught up in the fact they were the reporters who "clinched it" (e.g., got the interview). But that Larry King is something else...the wussies shelled out the "Ramsey-canned" version -- King did his own thing and went for the throat. The Ramseys got a little to arrogant, confident they had gotten away with murder and there wasn't a damn thing Hunter or the BPD or Boulder could do about it. One thing the Rams do consistently is lie. They lied about the FBI not being on the scene or even part of the investigation, and now turn around and say the FBI is involved. They lied about being asked to take polygraphs, and you all know the list goes on. King backed them against the wall when he pushed them on taking the polygraphs. What could they do on live national television? (yuk yuk! :-) ) By the time they did this show, the previous interviews were being laughed at and Owens had added salt to the wound. Ramsey had no choice but to bite the bullet and say he'd take it. Patsy tried to wriggle out of it, calling it voodoo science, but she got the sideglance from Johnny Boy and acquiesced. MO's Ramsey figured he'd go along with it on nat'l tv but behind the scenes take control, e.g., lay on the conditions. I'm with most of you who think that if these two passed a polygraph, we'd have heard about it. They pulled an 'OJ' and it backfired -- Beckner's standing firm with the FBI. If the Ramseys come up with a polygrapher who's affiliated with an official law enforcement agency or department, I'm sure Beckner would agree. As far as he's concerned, and rightly so, any polygraph testing is part of the official investigation, e.g., no consultants or self-employeds need apply. Wood and his clients are chin-deep in damage control, respinning, and re'conditioning' and they're doing it all in a public forum. Elections are coming up and their days are numbered. Query if this 'publicity' isn't another legal ploy to pollute a jury or taint public opinion? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "On BOP they said" Posted by Cassandra on 10:03:44 4/29/2000 their lawyers didn't want them to take polygraphs. Those lawyers aren't exactly fools! Where've you been, Lake? I see they've sent you out on maneuvers again! Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "if they took one" Posted by Texan on 10:30:55 4/29/2000 if they had previously taken and passed a Ld test, it shouldn't be too big a deal to them who administers this one because if they fail they can say, "well, we passed the one given by so-and-so and this just proves the BPD and FBI are notbeing fair with us." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. ""What to do,what to do"" Posted by Edie Pratt on 10:50:45 4/29/2000 Exactly Greenleaf, and that's why I think they failed a previous polygraph. The murder is on their minds 24/7, there is no escape. Ever. Hence, they couldn't possibly pass. Even on drugs, PR is furiously spinning a web. She can't think of anything but saving her ass, and ditto on JR. Especially JR. How could they possibly pass when it's still, in their minds, the night of December 25th,1996? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "if it is not the BPD or the FBI" Posted by cstuart on 10:43:52 4/29/2000 I don't see how a legitimate lie detector test is possible by an independent source. Only the BPD and maybe the FBI have enough factual details to administer truly tough questions. So if the Ramseys have already or do take their own test, it probably wasn't truly tough, because the administrator could not have had all of the necessary information. Only the BPD or the FBI could give them a true curveball. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "cstuart, of course" Posted by stryker on 14:31:43 4/29/2000 >if the Ramseys have already or >do take their own test, it >probably wasn't truly tough, because the >administrator could not have had all >of the necessary information.Only the BPD >or the FBI could give them >a true curveball. the "administrator" had access to the pertinent info...directly from the perps' mouths! but i sorta doubt the rams offered this info [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "30-40,000 pages" Posted by janphi on 11:07:30 4/29/2000 With tens of thousands of case notes to study, I'd like to know how much they would have to pay an LD expert who is "pre-eminent" (3 times she said it) in his field just to get up to speed on the case before he wrote the long pre-questions and the short real questions. It almost makes me laugh to think that they MIGHT have already taken one with their hand-picked person, giving him THEIR version of the case, and passed it. Then they think they could pass one given by an expert (a team of experts, more accurately) in conjunction with the BPD? Oh, ha ha. A Kodak moment if there ever was one. Now, I wonder how they're going to fix the Sheriff's Department investigation? They better hurry and find that killer before John dies. LOL, the Ramz are nutz. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "LOL Polygraph Passed LOL" Posted by Shamrockpati on 11:46:46 4/29/2000 Well I for one think if they took test by attorney's and passed it would be front page news...they want and seek the approval of the masses so this would be something they would shout to the rooftops. I think one passed, JR, and one failed, Patsy....JMHO [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Well" Posted by lake on 12:30:37 4/29/2000 I just THINK they Rs likely have taken and passed a polygraph. A Polygraph examiner does not have to "get up to speed" on a case to administer a test properly. If the Rs had not taken a PG they would most likley have answered NO when asked the question by RC & GV. But they hedged, said they could not answer that question. Private business you know. So, the Rs have taken a polygraph and passed, or they are just playing a game with Beckner knowing that the BPD will not get off the FBI dime and the BPD will end up looking like they are only out the get the Ramseys and really don't give a flip if someone else other than the Rs may have killed JBR. And this certainly should help Lin Wood in any civil suits he may file in the future on behalf of the Rs. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "I don't care" Posted by gaiabetsy on 12:08:55 4/29/2000 how many tests they have passed, I want another one - one I can watch being administered and trust the results. If they pass, I'll acquiesce. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Who would pay" Posted by kdubois2 on 12:38:57 4/29/2000 for the test? If the FBI gave the test, do the Rams have to pay? I hope JR has to reach in his pocket again. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Think it all the way through!" Posted by chebrock on 13:08:31 4/29/2000 There is no way I can believe that they even passed an "easy" Poly test.. No Way. On the BOP show, when asked if they had taken a private poly, they were stunned and stammmered all over the place and never did answer the question. Why didn't they answer the question? Because the next question is: Did you pass? They absolutely cannot allow that question to be asked because they FAILED. You have to think it all the way through. They have requested that their polygraph result be made public. Maybe the questions would go like this? Q: Have you taken polygraph test? A: Yes Q: Did you pass? A: Yes or No (see below for clarification) Q: Why don't you just release the results of this test? A: ???? A1: What would be the innocent persons answer? "Of course.. we'll release the results." A2: What would the guilty person say? "Of course NOT." But the Ram's have already said they'd release so they had better spin the story so that there is nothing to release. In the end, the Ramsey's don't admit to taking a polygraph because that prior poly would be subject to the same publicity conditions they are asking of the BPD AND because the FAILED it. The scenario just doesn't work if they passed the test. The results would be public already. The point is that the Ramsey's don't ever want a polygraph test results to be public because they [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "lake--maybe, but" Posted by fiddler on 14:05:40 4/29/2000 IMO they would never have answered "no", even if they hadn't taken polygraphs. In fact, I don't have a clue, personally, if they have or haven't. (And if you're going to respond that there are many things I don't have a clue about, I freely acknowledge that right now.) I'm just making predictions based on the Ramseys' previous behavior. And that's been all about maintaining image (theirs), not discovering truth. Saying "no" would make themselves look bad. It would LOOK LIKE they're not interested in being cooperative. Citing "attorney-client privilege" is a coy way of dodging the question entirely, while looking like they're answering it. Doublethink. Doublespeak. Orwell nailed it all. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "I don't think so" Posted by Ruthee on 14:16:43 4/29/2000 The Ramseys didn't bring up the subject of being willing to take a lie detector test. I believe it was Couric who backed them into it and there was no way out for them. Here's what they say on Larry king. Larry King "First on, something directly current, and then we'll get into a little history. You had said recently in an interview that you were willing to take a lie detector test, and apparently the Boulder police are now saying let's set it up. Will you do it? JOHN RAMSEY, FATHER OF JONBENET RAMSEY: We have -- we were asked, "Had we been asked to take a lie detector test?" We said no. We were asked, "Would we?" We said certainly we would. We would expect it to be fair, and we would expect the results to be public. KING: And then you would take -- well, by fair, what's the determination of that, Patsy? PATSY RAMSEY, MOTHER OF JONBENET RAMSEY: Well, I think it has to be someone of... KING: National repute. P. RAMSEY: National repute. KING: FBI man. P. RAMSEY: Independent, you know, a professional polygrapher. J. RAMSEY: Yes, we've been told that -- that this is a dangerous thing to take a lie detector test, because they're a subjective science. They're not allowed in court as evidence. You can see here they are beginning to dance. They are the ones who brought this on themselves. They just can't keep their mouth shut and I'm telling you, they will hang themselves. IF THEY TOOK A TEST.......THEY FAILED IT! (JUST ME TALKING) ps: The tests are "dangerous" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Ruthee" Posted by Ajila on 14:32:23 4/29/2000 >The Ramseys didn't bring up the subject of being >willing to take a lie detector test. I believe >it was Couric who backed them into it and there >was no way out for them. Speaking hypothetically here, assuming the Rams are innocent of any wrong doing but are just trying to protect themselves from the BPD & FBI, don't you think that it would be better for them to just publicly apologize for this whole misunderstanding? Could they not say they made a concession on TV that they really can't follow through with on the advice of their attornies and let it go. If they feel these tests are truly useless, then so be it. There are other ways they could help the investigation if they wanted too. Don't you think this game playing is much worse for their public image. I would really respect much more a simple, "I'm sorry, we mispoke under pressure." Ajila (frustrated in Sunny Southern California) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "fiddler" Posted by lake on 14:19:06 4/29/2000 The NO would be to Roger's question of if they had taken a polygraph. Not a NO to will you take a PG. Roger asked had they taken a PG and they did not say no, they would not say yes or no. I can see no reasonable reason why the Rs would not have answered NO if they had not taken a polygraph. None except that they are playing games with Beckner counting on the fact that he will stick to the FBI requirement and the test will never take place. And if the latter is the case, Beckner is a fool not to back off the FBI condition and call the Rs hand by agreeing to another entity acceptable to law enforcement types but not associtated with the BPD, CBI or currently employed by the FBI. But if the former is the case, the Rs have taken a polygraph and passed in all probability. And Beckner seems to believe the former and not the latter or he would call the Rs hand. Nuff said. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Like a poker game" Posted by lake on 14:27:26 4/29/2000 Where Beckner is holding next to nothing in his hand and is afraid to call because he does not know if the other fellow is bluffing also. Beckner needs to call so we can find something out here. The Ramseys cannot really call in this game. Only Beckner can call and he appears to have a weak stomach. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "O.K., I changed my mind" Posted by Greenleaf on 14:45:31 4/29/2000 They took the test and failed! One of their conditions for taking the test was that the results be made public. Now, we are reasonably sure that they took the test. YET, THEY DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. (lawyer-client privilege." If they had taken the test and they passed, I now believe that they would want that known to the public NOW. Why else would they have made one of their conditions that the results be made public? I know I'm not suppose to hate anyone, but I can't help myself. I really hate those two. Hello, JonBenet we are trying to find answers as fast as we can. Hang in there, little one. Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Actually, lake," Posted by fiddler on 14:39:45 4/29/2000 I agree with you. I think Beckner and the BPD should give the Ramseys whatever they want, as far as lie detector tests go--making all the conditions of the test public, of course. It would be interesting to see if JR and PR then would, in fact, agree to take it. I know the original question was referring to whether they had in fact taken polygraphs, rather than whether they would be willing to. The fact is, it's to the Ramseys' advantage to have the public believe that they have already taken polygraphs, whether they have or not. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Exactly, fiddler" Posted by lake on 15:09:19 4/29/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:09:19, 4/29/2000 "The fact is, it's to the Ramseys' advantage to have the public believe that they have already taken polygraphs, whether they have or not." And Beckner is playing right into Lin Wood's hand if Wood is bluffing. No objective person in the US is going to buy the fact that only the FBI can administer a reliable test to the Rs. And no objective person is going to maintain that the FBI does not have a stake in the investigation. The FBI should be viewed as an advisor to the BPD and not exactly neutral on the issue of the Ramseys. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Sorry Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey" Posted by Ruthee on 15:13:50 4/29/2000 You got your butts in a crack and now you'll have to find your own way out. LIE DETECTORS: 'VOODOO SCIENCE' 'I understand that lie detector tests are not admissible in court, anyway. It's kind of voodoo science.' - PATSY RAMSEY Katie Couric: Did you all take a lie detector test? John Ramsey: We were never asked to take a lie detector test. That's another ... Katie Couric: Why not volunteer to take one? John Ramsey: I - that didn't occur to me, first of all. Patsy Ramsey: I understand that lie detector tests are not admissible in court, anyway. It's kind of voodoo science. John Ramsey: I would if I was asked, certainly I would. But the fact is I was never asked. Katie Couric: And you never volunteered. John Ramsey: I never volunteered - it never crossed my mind. I was not interested in proving my innocence, I was interested in finding the killer of my daughter. ................ Dear John and Pats: Don't pee pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Oh and Patsy" Posted by Ruthee on 15:15:59 4/29/2000 It's only Voodoo Science if you took the test and failed. Got it? I think you understand. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "unhuh!" Posted by tall-p on 17:06:04 4/29/2000 Witch doctor crapola, that means nothing...why, why even take one when you have lawyer-client privlidges? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "Attorney/Client Privilege is BS" Posted by straykat2 on 15:47:48 4/29/2000 Someone else on this forum brought up the fact that attorney/client privilege applies only to the attorney remaining silent, not the CLIENT. In other words, the Ramseys can speak openly, but think they can dupe us by remaining silent using the attorney/client privilege excuse. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Of course " Posted by tall-p on 17:12:38 4/29/2000 She is hysterical with this stuff. Like she's only playing by the book, and that is why she has to...well lie now and then. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Absolutely" Posted by lake on 15:53:44 4/29/2000 That was amusing. You can tell that PR has not been paying attention to this stuff for three years. An absolutely funny comment for PR. She should have just chided Roger for being rude. That would have made more sense. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Maybe, Ruthee" Posted by lake on 15:25:21 4/29/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:25:21, 4/29/2000 That is why ST was so hot about the polygraph. He may also think it is Voodoo sience that he could twist against the Rs? ST would have Judith Phillips all set up with a Voodoo chamber in another room when PR was taking her PG test? Well at least PR and AH agree about the Voodoo bit. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Well Lake" Posted by Ruthee on 16:16:41 4/29/2000 Based upon what I believe about these "innocent" people, it looks like this: John Ramsey has probably not taken a test. Patsy Ramsey probably has taken the test. Remember they have separate attorneys. Patsy has the personality to believe that she can charm anything, even a machine. When Stan asked about the polygraphs, you'll notice that John reminded Patsy that the question was directed at her and she should answer. She included this remark directed at Stan. "If you're so......" and then she catches herself and goes on. What she was going to say IMO was if you're so smart...yadda yadda yadda. Don't lose your temper Pats, it gets you in trouble every time. I have a feeling that due to her actions for the three plus years since the murder, she's going to talk herself right into a little room where they put you to sleep. Forever. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "I bet you are right!" Posted by tall-p on 16:55:57 4/29/2000 I like this analysis. Probably you are right. May even they never took a polygraph because they know they would fail. But they can easily act as though they have taken one but just can't talk about it. Immediately it appears as though they must have taken one. I love that line of PRs that it is a lawyer client privilege thing. Jeez what liars. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "You know" Posted by lake on 20:17:35 4/29/2000 So many people seem to be able to tell that the Rs are lieing even without the aid of a polygraph that it makes one wonder what Beckner's problem really is. Many of you make it seem that the janitor or the fisherman from Miami could give the Rs the polygraph and they would fail the thing. But I guess Beckner and Hunter must not agree with the popular opinion the seem to prevail on this thread. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "No Lake," Posted by Ribaldone on 20:43:39 4/29/2000 I believe the point is that the Ramseys are not in control of this situation. They are not calling the shots. They keep whining about cooperation and saying they are willing to do anything, so let's see their cooperation. When the police polygraph a witness or a suspect, THEY arrange the polygraph. They don't tell the suspect to find a polygrapher that is suitable to their needs and get it set up. Give me a break. This is just standard procedure. The Ramseys should count themselves lucky to have the opportunity to be polygraphed by the FBI instead of a police polygrapher. Especially after John has said how he respect of the Feds and wished he had called them on December 26 instead of calling 911. This is nothing more than a PR ploy from the Ramseys who have absolutely no intention of taking any polygraph. That's exactly why they insisted it be "independent." So they could haggle over the exact meaning of "independent" depending on whom the BDP chose to administer the test. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "lake, I give you respect" Posted by Shee on 21:11:44 4/29/2000 you sure are on the ram team and type the type, so to speak. I mean I have been peeking here and writing a paper all day and whew, you have made the keys burn here, but, even though I DO respect your steadfast stance and willingness to put your keystrokes where your opinion is, to paraphrase, I think you are either hired public relations or something. methinks the lake doth ripple too much..... but I still am impressed with the volume, S [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Shee" Posted by lake on 21:24:08 4/29/2000 No respect needed. I am just practicing my typing. Thought I just might as well do it here as anywhere else. I have one of those new keyboards and need to get accustomed to it. Thanks for responding so that I could get some more parctice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Oh I get it now" Posted by lake on 20:56:36 4/29/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:56:36, 4/29/2000 This is the same old same old from the BPD then, you think. Not about charging someone for the murder of JBR, but the BPD is still playing the game of no way but my way and JBR be damned? Thanks, I get it now. And since you apparently think the Rs did the killing, I don't see why you constantly gripe that the Rs are not helping the BPD convict them. And if the BPD thinks the Rs did the killing, they are as about as far out in left field as you are with your demands and expectations. This thing is suspose to be about charging someone with the murder of JBR, not who is suspose to do what by the police manual. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "alright now lake" Posted by Shee on 21:35:31 4/29/2000 you are tired and beginning to rant, rest dear you will refute evidence better with a little rest. S [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "But I know it is really lake" Posted by tall-p on 01:05:37 4/30/2000 because he is a lousy speller!! :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "Listening to Prozac" Posted by docg on 22:10:41 4/29/2000 is what I think John has been doing these days. Makes you sort of cocky, I understand. Risk taking. Can be exhilirating, no John? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "I suspect that " Posted by SJ on 22:59:49 4/29/2000 one of them passed and one of them didn't, and whoever didn't is lying to the other, thinking they will never take one anyway. I would think that this is highly possible. My guess is JR passed and PR didn't, but knowing how strongly JR feels about how he wants it done, she isn't worried that she'll actually have to take one. Just a thought. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]