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Physics, Astrologers, Numerologists, etc., Greenleaf, 08:02:17, 5/02/2000 I promise not to flame, Watching you, 09:32:44, 5/02/2000, (#1) Psychics, bookworm2, 09:41:51, 5/02/2000, (#2) BW2, Watching you, 09:45:40, 5/02/2000, (#3) Savin' the angel, maundy, 10:12:05, 5/02/2000, (#4) OOOPpps!!!, Greenleaf, 10:26:15, 5/02/2000, (#8) Greenleaf, Sioux, 10:41:14, 5/02/2000, (#11) Sioux,, gaiabetsy, 12:40:11, 5/02/2000, (#14) Gaia, Sioux, 12:44:43, 5/02/2000, (#15) Psychic Sylvia Brown, Andrea, 10:13:32, 5/02/2000, (#5) Sylvia Brown, Luvsbeagles, 10:21:00, 5/02/2000, (#6) Luvsbeagles, Sioux, 10:26:07, 5/02/2000, (#7) LOL, Luvsbeagles, 10:28:04, 5/02/2000, (#10) Sylvia definitely, Watching you, 10:27:40, 5/02/2000, (#9) I feel, 1000Sparks, 11:42:16, 5/02/2000, (#12) Chief Beckner, Ruthee, 12:22:37, 5/02/2000, (#13) WY, kdubois2, 13:11:33, 5/02/2000, (#16) Sylvia Browne, szundi, 13:40:59, 5/02/2000, (#20) Szundi, Sioux, 13:54:58, 5/02/2000, (#21) I can't reiterate how often, gaiabetsy, 13:21:49, 5/02/2000, (#17) Sylvid did, saryan, 13:28:22, 5/02/2000, (#18) saryan,, gaiabetsy, 13:32:23, 5/02/2000, (#19) ....well, jonesy, 14:13:05, 5/02/2000, (#22) And Chief Beckner, Ruthee, 15:00:35, 5/02/2000, (#23) The Note, Ajila, 17:33:01, 5/02/2000, (#31) What an interesting thread!, Ribaldone, 15:49:29, 5/02/2000, (#25) IMO, Brightlight, 15:15:43, 5/02/2000, (#24) Sylvia Brown, Aurora, 16:07:45, 5/02/2000, (#26) I have a friend..., bubba, 16:22:10, 5/02/2000, (#27) Other Person, fancy, 16:37:18, 5/02/2000, (#29) Bubba ...., Ribaldone, 16:28:08, 5/02/2000, (#28) My turn..., Greenleaf, 17:12:37, 5/02/2000, (#30) Greenleaf,, annelise, 21:54:20, 5/02/2000, (#36) Ribaldone, bubba, 17:46:31, 5/02/2000, (#32) Dreams, Aurora, 18:13:36, 5/02/2000, (#33) obsessed, Luvsbeagles, 19:42:58, 5/02/2000, (#35) Astral connections?, mary99, 19:36:16, 5/02/2000, (#34) Archived threads, szundi, 23:14:53, 5/02/2000, (#37) Things are a little slow, Watching you, 10:32:35, 5/03/2000, (#38) Links, links, links, China, 12:18:30, 5/03/2000, (#39) China, Sioux, 06:31:14, 5/04/2000, (#46) Thanks,China, and Watching you,, gaiabetsy, 12:34:40, 5/03/2000, (#40) A Prime Example of Dirty Data, szundi, 18:52:58, 5/03/2000, (#41) Szundi, Greenleaf, 20:19:28, 5/03/2000, (#42) intuition, maundy, 23:47:26, 5/03/2000, (#43) Greenleaf, dreams, Cher, 02:03:40, 5/04/2000, (#44) Cher, Greenleaf, 05:42:46, 5/04/2000, (#45) ................................................................... "Physics, Astrologers, Numerologists, etc." Posted by Greenleaf on 08:02:17 5/02/2000 There was a similar, standing thread on the old BNF, hosted, I believe, by Cher. It was very successful. I thought it would be fun to revisit it and see what transpires. ONE RULE: A B S O L U T E L Y NO FLAMING!! Greenleaf [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "I promise not to flame" Posted by Watching you on 09:32:44 5/02/2000 but why are we discussing physics, Greenie? Okay, what do we do? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Psychics" Posted by bookworm2 on 09:41:51 5/02/2000 is what she meant. It was a place for clues and theories and scenarios to be compiled from non traditional sources. Ruthee received a lot of "impressions" at that time, several of which have panned out, right , Ruthee? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "BW2" Posted by Watching you on 09:45:40 5/02/2000 yes, I knew what she meant, I was just pulling her chain a little. I don't remember that thread, but it sounds good to me. I remember Dorothy Allison and Nancy Myers having something to say about this case. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Savin' the angel" Posted by maundy on 10:12:05 5/02/2000 I had a vision the other day. MsR should play Mother Abigail in my recasting of the Stand for she is the one reminding us who is on top of it all. I realized the other day, the angel isn't the one that needs savin' here. I do. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "OOOPpps!!!" Posted by Greenleaf on 10:26:15 5/02/2000 PSYCHICS is what I meant, of course. Lol, Watching You. 'Tis lovely having my chain pulled by you. Now, back to my psychics. Interesting stuff there. Seriously, I would like to see a whole thread devoted to the subjective aspects of the brilliant JW sleuths' reasoning process, in reference to this case. Off the top of your head, what do you think? Come on, all you newbies and lurkers, let us hear from you. Remember, this thread is flame free. So, go ahead, we are all ears. Love and Peace, Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Greenleaf" Posted by Sioux on 10:41:14 5/02/2000 **Off the top of your head, what do you think? Come on, all you newbies and lurkers, let us hear from you. Remember, this thread is flame free. So, go ahead, we are all ears. You are always so kind .Okey, here I go for what it's worth. These are my impressions only : 1-I am OBSESED with the head injury. Somehow I keep thinking that if I ONLY KNEW how it was done, I would be certain of who did it.Sometimes I have felt that if I could see the detailed picture of the injury I would "have it".I've done a few drawings of it. My son thinks I'm sick. 2- I have a strong allergy to Mrs. Stine. I feel her as evil, even worse than Patsy, and of course I can't explain why. 3-I *feel*(Don't I sound like a psychic?) that JAR and Fleet White are very important pieces in this chess game that the Rams are playing from the beggining. Now shoot. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Sioux," Posted by gaiabetsy on 12:40:11 5/02/2000 are you Sioux in origin and extraction? I, too, am interested in the head injury. My feelings about it are very graphic. I feel a lot about Fleet White, too. Nice to be in the company of others like me who are "right-brained" and "intuitively" get a lot from allowing the things to come to us. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Gaia" Posted by Sioux on 12:44:43 5/02/2000 I won't give you my name(you shouldn't need it, you are right brained!he he he.) but I hope you know who I am. I'll give you a hint: It was SO NICE to hear from you again!. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Psychic Sylvia Brown" Posted by Andrea on 10:13:32 5/02/2000 I don't know how many of you have heard of Sylvia Brown. Probably most of you have because she is on Montel Williams practically every month and has at least one book out. Anyway, just wondering if anyone has ever heard if Sylvia has weighed in on this case? I usually take psychics on TV with a block of salt, but Sylvia is somewhat different. She has a strong belief in God and Jesus and gives credit to Him for her gift. She has worked with police departments and helped solve 100s of cases (supposedly?). But of all the psychics I have seen or heard of, she is the most believable. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Sylvia Brown" Posted by Luvsbeagles on 10:21:00 5/02/2000 I like Sylvia...not sure I believe her but she is fun. And what I really like about her is she is so specific! We had a woman disappear from my hometown and her family was on Montel with Sylvia. Sylvia said..."Hey...look by this lake and make sure you talk to ****** he knows. (They bleeped the name of course, but the family looked shocked) Anyway...the only thing I have heard her say about this case is that she knows who did it and the person is female. Then she went on to something else. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Luvsbeagles" Posted by Sioux on 10:26:07 5/02/2000 The female perp could be Mrs. Stine,no? Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "LOL" Posted by Luvsbeagles on 10:29:42 5/02/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:29:42, 5/02/2000 Mrs Stine? Edited to add....I could say something really mean about Sylvia having touble discerning gender, but I wont!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Sylvia definitely" Posted by Watching you on 10:27:40 5/02/2000 said someone inside the family killed JBR. I saw it with my own two eyeballs. She didn't name anyone, but I believed she meant someone in that house murdered JB. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "I feel" Posted by 1000Sparks on 11:42:16 5/02/2000 very strongly that Patsy was in a rage that night, I can almost feel it.... John wasn't cooperating and neither was JB. Her rage just built (that's ow it works) ..I think she smashed her into something like the toilet or tub.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Chief Beckner" Posted by Ruthee on 12:26:47 5/02/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:26:47, 5/02/2000 Will you tell Susan to keep posting pictures of the house. Now I'm positive that the low light in the kitchen came from opening the fridge door and leaving it open. Now I'm positive that the scrape scrape scrape came from moving the freezer. Have I convinced you get to get me in that house? Edit to say: Call Sgt. Lewis (you can find the department) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "WY" Posted by kdubois2 on 13:11:33 5/02/2000 You are right. I saw Sylvia say on tv that it was someone within the family. She wouldn't go into in detail, because of the legal aspect. I also watched on pay per view, a 2 hour special. She said she gets asked the question all the time. Who killed JB? I like her very much,she is at the annex in LA often. I would like to see her in person. The guy that you mention is also very good. I forgot his name. Is it Anderson? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Sylvia Browne" Posted by szundi on 13:40:59 5/02/2000 On her website, under predictions for 1998, she states that the Jon Benet murder starts with the whole family and that the intruder theory will be thrown out. (or words to that effect). Because we do not have the exact birth times and places for the Ramsey bunch it is difficult to do accurate charts. We do have Jon Benet's time and place, but for the others all we can do is solar charts. A few years ago I did a summary of the karmic connections between this group and it should be in the archives here. Suffice it to say, all of the players are linked karmically and I believe this murder and the abuse was sort of a payback for what occurred in former lifetimes. It truly is a tangled web. There is an astrologer named Dorothy Ojeda who did an analysis of the Ramsey's and the astrology of the murder and I will try to put it up when I get home. The only problem I have with her analysis of the birth charts is that she uses the wrong birthplace for JR (she uses Okemos,MI and he was not born there) and I think she also has the birth year wrong on one of them. Her analysis of the planetary transits during the murder night is OK. One of the on-line astrology sites wanted me to do a write-up of the synestry between the charts of the Ramseys but I declined because I don't have all the data and just using Solar Charts does not give the vital info I would want to see. I can give some of the info on this thread if you would like--at least some of the more glaring connections of a karmic nature. The connections between JR's chart and JBR's chart show that they were (and are) lovers and he thought of her as such because of their past-life relationship. More L8R. Work is calling. szundi [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Szundi" Posted by Sioux on 13:54:58 5/02/2000 WHOA! Your post was very interesting.Regarding: **The connections between JR's chart and JBR's chart show that they were (and are) lovers and he thought of her as such because of their past-life relationship** So far I had thought that, but from a more freudian-like angle:"John Bennet"-"JonBenet". Lovers are "one".But I guess both theories could work together too. I wonder who was patsy in another life. Jonh's MOTHER? Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "I can't reiterate how often" Posted by gaiabetsy on 13:21:49 5/02/2000 I've needed the "intuitives" to emerge. Thanks a lot. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Sylvid did" Posted by saryan on 13:28:22 5/02/2000 comment on JonBenet's murder, I don't remember which show I saw her on, I am really fond of her, she said it was not an intruder, Judge Judy, now there is a character, she believe's it involved Burke. I remember both of their takes on the Ramseys, but Sylvia did not validate her comment, other than it was NOT and intruder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "saryan," Posted by gaiabetsy on 13:32:23 5/02/2000 interesting about Judge Judy. As weird as this may seem, she appears to me to be someone from the "other side' who uses "logic" to evaluate what's happening in front of her. I believe her very much. She uses "her best traits" to figure something out, and she's usually very much on the money. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "....well" Posted by jonesy on 14:13:05 5/02/2000 Otterly Blue says there was a fight that evening over JB (which happened fequently) and JB got herself in the middle of it - Patsy hit her over the head and John "put her out of her misery" by gently strangling her and rest is all staging - slowly slipsliding into senility....... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "And Chief Beckner" Posted by Ruthee on 15:02:10 5/02/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:02:10, 5/02/2000 Due to Susan Bennett's latest pictures, I now know something very important about the way the ransom note was written. If you want to call me I'll tell you. Otherwise I'm not saying right now. I have duplicated it myself. The person was not nervous at the beginning of the note. Maybe you already know that. Bet Patsy Ramsey is shaking in her boots right now. I'll wait a couple of days and if I don't hear from you because you already know or don't care, I'll write something out and post a gif. edited to add: No Susan it was not traced. If you hadn't mentioned that, I would have never known. Geez.....when are they going to fire you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "The Note" Posted by Ajila on 17:33:51 5/02/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:33:51, 5/02/2000 I've always 'felt' that Patsy wrote the ransom note. Ajila [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "What an interesting thread!" Posted by Ribaldone on 15:49:29 5/02/2000 I too am a fan of Sylvia Browne, George Anderson and (maybe above all) Rosemary Althea. I just love Rosemary -- she's soooo good and she has this soft-spoken manner and quiet grace about her. Her books are so inspirational and fascinating. I have always been a believer in physic phenomena (sp?) and life-after-death. I have a strong intuition and on more than several occassions have dreamed about something only to have it happen a few days or a week later. Many times they are really insignificant little things and sometimes are about people I don't know very well (workplace acquaintenances) or people I don't know at all (celebrities). The most recent "episode" happened a few weeks ago and just about floored my poor husband who is the world's biggest skeptic. Unlike most times I have really vivid dreams, I told my husband about this one as soon as I woke up. I was so upset and I couldn't shake the horrible feelings I had about this nightmare. It was so real and horrifying that I was crying and very upset -- the dream was about one of my dogs (both of whom I love more than I can say). Briefly, here it is. I dreamt that it had been raining very hard for a day or two (I live in Phoenix where it rarely rains) and I came home from work and went into the house and -- no dogs. I started calling them and looking everywhere inside. Finally, Scout came running into the house barking and whining. I immediately knew something was wrong because he was whining. We both went out back to look for Bailey and I immediately saw this huge sink hole in the middle of the yard. It was like a big cesspool. I freaked out and started screaming. I knew Bailey had fallen in there but I couldn't see her or hear her. I was screaming and crying and Scout was barking and whining. It was horrible. Then I woke up. Those are pretty much the exact words I used to describe this dream to my husband. Three days later (note: it was raining and had been pooring since the night before), my husband and I had just gotten home from work and turned on the 6:00 news. I don't know why I turned on the local news --- I NEVER EVER watch the local news in the evening. Anyway, as soon as I turned the TV on they were promoting the next story about some guy and you won't believe what he found in his back yard when he got home. A few minutes later the story comes on and this guy is on camera trying not to cry while telling his story (in the almost the EXACT SAME wording I used to tell my husband my dream). He says, "I just got home from work and I couldn't find my two dogs, so I started calling for them and then one of them came running into the house from out back so I went out back and saw this huge SINK HOLE -- it looked just like a CESSPOOL in my back yard. I knew that my dog had fallen in it." It was so weird that he used the same words I did to describe it. You could have scraped my skeptical husband off the floor with a spatula. It was just such a WEIRD thing to happen. You go to work and come home to find a cesspool has opened up in your backyard and swallowed your dog? But only one dog. Who would think that would happen? Anyway, it was horrible. I just felt so bad for that poor man and his poor doggie! But the good news is, he called the Fire Dept. and they rushed over and rescued his dog. Poor baby, he was scared to death. He had two big black dogs (part lab and dobie, I think). I'm definitely a believer and I enjoy talking to my deceased grandparents and JonBenet. I can just imagine how many other people talk to JonBenet. At least now she knows how many people really love her. I went into BJ's CandyRose site and read the Ouiji readings of JonBenet -- it was fasinating. Anyone know Merlin? Is he for real? I hope so because I really enjoyed reading about his contact with JonBenet. I hope he does more. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "IMO" Posted by Brightlight on 15:15:43 5/02/2000 From day one I have always believed a family member murdered JB. And that J&P are covering up for that family member. I also believe that we may not know how many people were actually in the house that night. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Sylvia Brown" Posted by Aurora on 16:07:45 5/02/2000 Intersting about Sylvia Brown's thoughts on this case. I saw her on ..I think it was Leeza show...not too long after the murder and she was sure at that time it was an INTRUDER. Now..she is saying it isn't? I recall at the time that I had never felt it was an intruder...but more of an inside job and one was covering for the other. I had a dream recently that Burke told me..Patsy did kill JB and Nedra spoke up...and said yeah..well..you don't know what she did with the extra tape. I told Patsy ..she had a choice... she could turn herself in or I would do it for her. *LOL* I want this case solved so bad..I dream about it. Any dream interpreters in here? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "I have a friend..." Posted by bubba on 16:22:10 5/02/2000 Aurora - I too perpetually have dreams about JB. My husband not only thinks I am obsessed, but going crazy too. I have a close friend who is, I wouldn't say psychic, but VERY intuitive. There are many times when I will walk into a room she is in, be thinking of something, but not saying it outloud, and she will read my thoughts and answer what it is I am thinking about. She is also excellent at reading peoples' eyes....I asked her what her opinion on JR & PR was from reading their eyes. JR - everytime she sees him on TV, she thinks he is extremely remorseful and guiltridden. PR - blank eyes...nothing there. My friend also e-mails with Sylvia Brown. I'll have to ask her for some info from Sylvia. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL bubba ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Other Person" Posted by fancy on 16:37:18 5/02/2000 I think the other person in the home that night was GPP. I'm not quite sure where he fits in, but they had to get him out of the house before the crime was reported I think. Nedra made a point of saying she was glad he was in Atlanta that night. Why didn't she just say that she was glad they were BOTH in Atlanta that night? I think she needed to establish a very vocal alibi for him. I also believe that if there was any sexual abuse of JB, he is the guilty one. I don't think John knew anything. I think he was the one person she felt safe with and she may have threatened Pats that she was going to tell Daddy. That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Bubba ...." Posted by Ribaldone on 16:28:08 5/02/2000 "My friend also e-mails with Sylvia Brown. I'll have to ask her for some info from Sylvia." YES YES YES!! Please do. I would love to hear anything Sylvia has to say about this case. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "My turn..." Posted by Greenleaf on 17:12:37 5/02/2000 I have been reading, with great interest, each and every post on this thread. I find them all very interesting. I would like to continue to encourage everyone to post something about your dreams or "gut feelings" here; especially all you newbies and lurkers. Remember, this is a flame-free thread and your opinions and/or feelings about this case cannot be discussed, unless shared. Thank you. Now, my turn: I've had two vivid dreams about JonBenet. I don't believe that I have ever posted them here, but I think I emailed one of them to Ruthee. Dream #1: I was floating at the top of a very dark stairway. I knew it was a stairway because I could vaguely see the steps. At the bottom of the steps stood a little girl. She was blond and dressed in white. This is hard to explain, but she was filled with light. I perceived her to be JonBenet. She smiled at me and seemed aglow with joy. The dream lasted only for a few seconds but I awoke with a strange and wonderful sense of peace, unlike anything I had ever felt before. Dream #2: I was an invisible observer; by no means a participant. I could see the back of this woman, who I received to be Patsy. She was sitting in a chair or stool. In front of her was a long, rather shallow box. It was about knee level to her. (The box appeared to be on a table or bench.) The box was drapped in a red material, which appeared to be satin. Stretched out in the box was the body of a little blond girl, who I perceived to be JonBenet. The child was dead, and the Mother was weeping. She was holding in her hand a piece of gold jewery, which looked like a ring. For some reason, the jewery was very meaningful to the Mother. For a split second I was able to feel the full import of the Mother's sadness. She was thinking, "She's gone! She's gone!" It was overwhelming. I awoke shaking; never before or since, having felt such sadness. Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Greenleaf," Posted by annelise on 21:54:20 5/02/2000 Thanks for the invitation to the newbies and lurkers. I have been lurking for a few months altho I have been following the case since the beginning. My gut level feeling has always been that JB was murdered by a family member....nothing feels ''right'' about the intruder scenario. But I so wanted the parents to be innocent because of the horrifying nature of her death. But as time has passed, the sense of denial has lifted and only the intuitive knowledge that the child was murdered by her parent[s] remains. It is such a strong impression or intuitive sensation, and I have come to trust a feeling this intense. I only wish now that I could predict that her murderers will be brought to justice! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL annelise ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Ribaldone" Posted by bubba on 17:46:31 5/02/2000 I'll talk to my friend Susan and see if I can get her to ask Sylvia some questions! I'll keep you posted! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL bubba ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Dreams" Posted by Aurora on 18:13:36 5/02/2000 It is nice to know that I am not the only one that dreams about this stuff. Obviously...I am obsessed with this and go to bed with it on my mind since I am up reading these posts till the wee hours. Greenleaf.. I think we all feel like we know JB..when all we know is really the perception of what she was like. BTW...I really enjoy your posts! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "obsessed" Posted by Luvsbeagles on 19:42:58 5/02/2000 I am a little worried about myself! Today as I was switching the channels I thought I saw a blurb about the "Jonbenet" case so I waited and waited to see what it was about. Turns out I saw an add for "jobnet." Yes...I think a vacation is LONG overdue [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Astral connections?" Posted by mary99 on 19:36:16 5/02/2000 I really believe that when Panico passed away and MW came forward shortly thereafter it was somehow related to energy passing from Panico to MW. Sometimes I wonder if MW has recently felt the presence of a spirit urging her on, no matter how hard or hopeless it appears at the time. If she could confirm this, I would feel like it was Panico contacting her. Of course, there are many reasons MW came forward when she did, and the interview she saw with Lee Hill is the explanation she gave. I'm not saying her explanation isn't the whole truth, just that she may have had a dream or something which made her mission clear. BTW, I have no idea if Panico would have supported MW's claims or not. I think the idea that Panico wanted to see justice for JBR goes without saying and her energy after she passed away could roam around freely and more powerfully than in life. If MW was on the brink of making a decision, and Panico's energy found her, that helped her go forward and leave CA behind. It's not a psychic impression as much as a need on my part to find the work of a higher power in the case happenings of late. (Thank God this is a flame-free thread or I never would have stuck my neck out--again.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Archived threads" Posted by szundi on 23:14:53 5/02/2000 Tried to resurrect these but I cannot. Chris we need your help here--whenever you can. The threads were titled, "ESP, Astrology, and 'gut feelings' #1,2,3" Can't do a link but if you want to read Dorothy Oja's two articles go to: www.zodiacal.com/ On the right side of the homepage is a box and next to last link is 'Articles'. Click on it and cursor down to Dorothy Oja's articles. Hopefully, Chris can put up those old threads for all the newbies. szundi [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Things are a little slow" Posted by Watching you on 10:32:35 5/03/2000 right now, so I guess I'll mess around here a little bit. I have had not dreams about this case, but I have had one extremely strong, continuing vision in my head. This is not something I ENvision, it is something that just pops into my head whenever I think of this case. Ever since the very beginning, I have "seen" Patsy seated or leaned over a counter or a table, writing, with John pacing in front of her. They are panicked, on the edge, frantically discussing, and John is dictating. I know there are those who believe JR was not involved in writing the note, but my vision says otherwise. Along with this vision, (I hate calling it that, it is just something that is there, I didn't dream it up), is a feeling I have where I see Patsy doing something, whatever it is is hidden from my view, panicking and going to get JR for help, upon which time he takes over and directs all the coverup and staging. That is just so like him. Other than that, I can't claim any vision of anyone committing this murder or why. Sounds goofy, I know, but then, so did a few dreams I had about major, catastrophic events in my life that came true. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Links, links, links" Posted by China on 12:18:30 5/03/2000 Some links you might enjoy: Psychic Sleuth Dorothy Allison & The JonBenet Ramsey Murder: http://www.glinx.com/~tonym/psybunk.htm A Personal Reading of the Unique Birth Chart which was JonBenet Ramsey's: http://horoscopes.hypermart.net/samples6.shtml Sioux and Gaiabetsy this site may help you with the head injury, it has diagrams of the skull fracture and hematoma. Sundances's Crimes of the Century http://www.links2go.com/more/members.aol.com/SundanceIM/Kid/JBR/index3.htm [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "China" Posted by Sioux on 06:31:14 5/04/2000 Thanks for that link. It was very helpful (And creepy! The skull fracture is so huge!)I printed the diagrams to annalyze them better. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Thanks,China, and Watching you," Posted by gaiabetsy on 12:34:40 5/03/2000 I also have strong "impressions" about this case. Mine aren't as well-defined as yours, but I am sure the Rams did this. I feel the parents are at fault in this and I've never really wavered from that position since the first day the tragedy was announced on TV. Now maybe that's because I was a child sex-abuse victim and it was in my family - my brother - but I really believe the Rams are guilty. Now they won't take the polygraph. Who's surprised? Not me! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "A Prime Example of Dirty Data" Posted by szundi on 18:52:58 5/03/2000 I have written this before, but it bears repeating. Michael Star's "analysis" is nothing more than a computer generated cook-book like rendition. It is more a money-making scheme than a real in-depth analysis made just for a person from their personal accurate chart. Using 6AM is what I have described as a Solar Chart which is one which ASSUMES the birth time is 6AM. It is not accurate for the ascendant, the placement of the moon, and one cannot place the planets in their appropriate houses. At best, we can just look at the Sun and the other planets ( their sign and degree) however if any planet is at 29 degrees or 1 degree, you really need the exact time and place of birth to ascertain exactly in which sign and in what degree they sit in the chart. The moon moves very quickly and goes through more than one sign in a 24 hour period. Other planets move through the signs at varying rates of speed--moon quickest, mercury next and Pluto the slowest. I have programs that do the cook-book stuff but I also do in depth chart analysis of a more spiritual nature drawing on my own training and experience of 25 years of doing charts. That said, I will try to give you all some more info from my files as time permits. szundi [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Szundi" Posted by Greenleaf on 20:19:28 5/03/2000 You wrote: "That said, I will try to give you all some more info from my files as time permits." szundi, I always enjoy your posts. Please, let us hear from you soon. BTW, do you ever give private readings? Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "intuition" Posted by maundy on 23:49:39 5/03/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 23:49:39, 5/03/2000 GL - cool dreams. I've only had one and I think JR was accusing me of doing it.I had some strong thoughts about this the other day. One is that strangling JB to the point of unconsciousness while orally raping her was part of the ritual. Only this time she didn't wake-up. The other thought is that MsR is right, and I can let go. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Greenleaf, dreams" Posted by Cher on 02:03:40 5/04/2000 Greenleaf, chills ran up and down my arms as I read your dreams. I do understand that feeling of sadness you tapped into because I, too, felt it when I did some psychic exploration in regard to this case. I don't ever want to "go there" again. The one valuable thing it taught me is what a sheltered and good life I have had. I have never experienced such depth of evil or sadness as I have encountered with my psychic experiments and this case. It is interesting that the two dreams present two different emotional sides; not necessarily opposite, but different. In one, the little girl you perceived to be JB brings joy and peace. The other brings sadness and despair. Cher . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Cher" Posted by Greenleaf on 05:42:46 5/04/2000 You wrote: "The one valuable thing it taught me is what a sheltered and good life I have had." Cher, I do believe that child abusers and child murderers COUNT ON the fact that most of us lead lives far removed from such evils. Most ordinary people, imo, find the subject so repulsive that they tend to turn a blind eye, and not pursue their suspicions, when encountered. Cher, continued: "I have never experienced such depth of evil or sadness as I have encountered with my psychic experiments and this case." I must confess that I never really gave child abuse much thought, until the JonBenet case. When I read about such cases, I quickly turned my interest elsewhere. Perhaps that is typical of the average person. Yes, Cher, the depth and strength of evil in this case is mind-boggling. When we think of the actual crime, while learning more and more each day about what happened to this little girl, it evolves into a state of enormous sadness. This evil invaded Boulder, Colorado, but reaches far beyond its borders. Sadly, there are other couples, not unlike the Rams, who are abusing their children at this very moment. The attention this case has brought to bear on the average citizen is well-worth the time and effort we spend here, at Justice Watch. Our little voices, all together, screaming out for justice, will, imo, make a difference. In fact, I do believe that we are making some evil forces squirm, right NOW. Love and Peace to all who hunger for justice. Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]