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Fleet and the Bench Warrant, starry, 09:17:39, 5/04/2001 I 'splained it on my, Holly, 09:20:13, 5/04/2001, (#1) WY -, Holly, 09:22:24, 5/04/2001, (#2) Well, sure, Holly, Watching you, 09:25:25, 5/04/2001, (#3) And just think -, Holly, 09:36:31, 5/04/2001, (#5) whew!, mary99, 09:25:53, 5/04/2001, (#4) mame, fly, 09:37:15, 5/04/2001, (#6) Well, fly, , Holly, 09:45:50, 5/04/2001, (#7) Holly, fly, 09:51:45, 5/04/2001, (#9) HAH!, LurkerXIV, 09:50:09, 5/04/2001, (#8) Lurker, mary99, 09:55:26, 5/04/2001, (#11) Lurker., Holly, 09:53:19, 5/04/2001, (#10) Holly, mary99, 09:58:18, 5/04/2001, (#12) Tough times Mary?, Florida, 10:06:21, 5/04/2001, (#13) When the going, DuBois, 10:17:48, 5/04/2001, (#16) Lurker, DuBois, 10:16:20, 5/04/2001, (#15) DuBois, LurkerXIV, 10:20:40, 5/04/2001, (#17) hello, Florida?, mary99, 10:15:46, 5/04/2001, (#14) Speaking of Ma Brady ..., Grace, 11:57:02, 5/04/2001, (#18) This is a hearsay account..., LurkerXIV, 14:54:11, 5/04/2001, (#28) I need a 'Hankie'!, watchin', 12:23:28, 5/04/2001, (#22) I say, Sixpence, 12:17:33, 5/04/2001, (#20) Well thank you, Gemini, 12:17:08, 5/04/2001, (#19) She speaks, Watching you, 12:22:57, 5/04/2001, (#21) Refusing to cooperate with authorities, Cassandra, 12:44:18, 5/04/2001, (#24) wood'ja now?, Gemini, 12:42:32, 5/04/2001, (#23) what would happen, Edie Pratt, 12:49:59, 5/04/2001, (#25) Fleet Bashers All, JR, 14:45:06, 5/04/2001, (#26) JR, mary99, 14:52:40, 5/04/2001, (#27) WHY, JR, 15:31:35, 5/04/2001, (#40) JR, you are so right!, LurkerXIV, 15:04:13, 5/04/2001, (#31) Just for the record, MrsBrady, 18:30:34, 5/04/2001, (#68) I'm going to ask this again, Watching you, 15:02:54, 5/04/2001, (#30) I think FW , mary99, 15:42:40, 5/04/2001, (#45) what took you so long?, fly, 15:46:18, 5/04/2001, (#49) nope, fly, mary99, 15:52:07, 5/04/2001, (#51) I probably could, Watching you, 15:43:46, 5/04/2001, (#46) well, until then..., mary99, 15:50:05, 5/04/2001, (#50) Until what, Mary99, Watching you, 15:53:07, 5/04/2001, (#52) sighs, v_p, 14:59:36, 5/04/2001, (#29) Others subpoenaed, Ginja, 15:19:09, 5/04/2001, (#35) Ginja, mary99, 15:46:05, 5/04/2001, (#47) v_p, Ma also said, darby, 15:18:57, 5/04/2001, (#34) Yes, v-p,, LurkerXIV, 15:08:30, 5/04/2001, (#32) For those who missed this--, LurkerXIV, 15:15:44, 5/04/2001, (#33) WY, darby, 15:25:56, 5/04/2001, (#36) darby, , LurkerXIV, 15:31:28, 5/04/2001, (#39) How would I know, Darby, Watching you, 15:26:49, 5/04/2001, (#37) sorry WY, darby, 15:30:14, 5/04/2001, (#38) The only interest, darby, 15:34:13, 5/04/2001, (#42) IN RES IPSO, LurkerXIV, 15:32:36, 5/04/2001, (#41) Sad to Say, JR, 15:39:46, 5/04/2001, (#44) Lurker, darby, 15:37:46, 5/04/2001, (#43) I will let the forum decide, LurkerXIV, 15:46:11, 5/04/2001, (#48) I will tell you about rabid, Watching you, 15:56:53, 5/04/2001, (#54) tit for tat, WY, mary99, 16:04:20, 5/04/2001, (#56) I never called, Watching you, 16:07:42, 5/04/2001, (#58) L-XIV, Gemini, 15:54:12, 5/04/2001, (#53) Yes WY, Gemini, 16:03:14, 5/04/2001, (#55) Mary,, Florida, 16:09:05, 5/04/2001, (#60) Stalking again, Gem, Watching you, 16:08:18, 5/04/2001, (#59) Gemini, mary99, 16:06:13, 5/04/2001, (#57) y'know Mary99 ..., Gemini, 16:16:45, 5/04/2001, (#63) Gemini, mary99, 16:20:21, 5/04/2001, (#64) Like I said, Watching you, 16:09:06, 5/04/2001, (#61) And, BTW, Mary99, Watching you, 16:10:27, 5/04/2001, (#62) lol WY, Gemini, 16:23:44, 5/04/2001, (#65) GEM, JR, 16:27:07, 5/04/2001, (#67) You too, Watching you, 16:26:26, 5/04/2001, (#66) Okay, MrsBrady, 18:40:21, 5/04/2001, (#69) Thanks, Mrs. B., LurkerXIV, 09:39:10, 5/05/2001, (#72) Well I think, v_p, 18:52:20, 5/04/2001, (#70) Well if, MrsBrady, 18:55:55, 5/04/2001, (#71) Double-edged sword, A.K., 02:28:06, 5/06/2001, (#73) ................................................................... "Fleet and the Bench Warrant" Posted by starry on 09:17:39 5/04/2001 Carry on.... [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "I 'splained it on my" Posted by Holly on 09:20:13 5/04/2001 last post on the original thread. Vacate = rescind. Either Fleet made a delinquent appearance, or his representative made the appropriate excuse and apology to the judge. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "WY -" Posted by Holly on 09:22:24 5/04/2001 Wrong. A judge does not issue a bench warrant without a good reason. Failing to appear is the same as contempt of court. Any contempt is ample reason to arrest. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Well, sure, Holly" Posted by Watching you on 09:25:25 5/04/2001 but the fact remains, the warrant was vacated. No arrest. For whatever reason, he wasn't arrested on the bench warrant. End of story. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "And just think -" Posted by Holly on 09:36:31 5/04/2001 anyone could have called the court at 1-303-271-6475, given the case # 99CR2023, and learned the same thing. mary99 reported on a breaking story. I called as soon as the court opened and now we have an update. That's what's great about the forum. But sometimes time zones don't help. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "whew!" Posted by mary99 on 09:25:53 5/04/2001 All the Fleet fans can relax. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "mame" Posted by fly on 09:38:21 5/04/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:38:21, 5/04/2001 mame - Yes, a warrant is a warrant, and you'll note that my comment did not say FW wouldn't find cops on his doorstep (nor shouldn't find cops on his doorstep). It wouldn't surprise me at all if different reasons for a warrant led to different ways of handling it (phone call vs doorstep), however, so I ventured a possible explanation in case that did turn out to be the situation. Given that the warrant was vacated before it was served, it's all moot anyway. Edited to improve clarity [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Well, fly, " Posted by Holly on 09:45:50 5/04/2001 a Bench Warrant may say many different things. It may say to bring the body before the court on the next business day and hold without bail, it may set bail, it may say to bring the defendant before a judicial officer for an Initial Appearance and pre-trial release consideration. It is a very serious matter. An FTA party promptly notified say, by a friend with a cell phone, can file a motion to quash/vacate or make the required appearance - late, that sits well with the judge. And the fact that a warrant was issued is a matter of permanent record. Next week I'll try to find out EXACTLY what happened. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Holly" Posted by fly on 09:51:45 5/04/2001 Holly - As I said, depending on the situation, a warrant can be handled differently. Nobody has said it isn't a serious matter. Thanks for making the call. It'll be interesting to find out what happened, and why FW was called to testify. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "HAH!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 09:50:09 5/04/2001 Last night's "fugitive arrest warrant!!!!" has devolved to a vacated bench warrant. Looks like some people have major egg on their faces today. Oh....and LISTEN CAREFULLY to mame....she SHOULD KNOW from bench warrants! ROFL!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Lurker" Posted by mary99 on 09:55:26 5/04/2001 "And the fact that a warrant was issued is a matter of permanent record." Looks like Fleet's the one with egg on his face! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Lurker." Posted by Holly on 09:53:19 5/04/2001 What is the matter with you? It was Ma Brady who reported yesterday that a warrant was issued for someone related to the Tom Miller case. Why don't you tell Ma Brady to scrape egg off her face? People only report the news to the best of their ability. You don't even try. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Holly" Posted by mary99 on 09:58:18 5/04/2001 These are tough times for White fans, must be why they are p*ssed off at us. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Tough times Mary?" Posted by Florida on 10:06:21 5/04/2001 How do you figure? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "When the going" Posted by DuBois on 10:17:48 5/04/2001 gets tough the tough get going. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Lurker" Posted by DuBois on 10:16:20 5/04/2001 Bow- Wow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "DuBois" Posted by LurkerXIV on 10:20:40 5/04/2001 ;) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "hello, Florida?" Posted by mary99 on 10:15:46 5/04/2001 You don't think the information released on the police report of the Criminal libel Complaint was damaging info? You don't think it's a big deal to be a habitual no-show when called into court, to the point there are at least 2 warrants on his criminal record? Never mind then, look on the bright side -- soon he will be deposed and then we will have nice things to say about him. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Speaking of Ma Brady ..." Posted by Grace on 11:57:02 5/04/2001 I'm bringing her post over from the other thread, because I think it's interesting. ---------- 53. "Ned" Posted by MrsBrady on 11:13:45 5/04/2001 There was a motions hearing in Jefferson County court yesterday on the matter of Tom Miller and the ransom note. Miller's new attorney (some hotshot from Denver) supoenaed (sp?) everybody and their brother who was involved (no matter how tangentally) in the Ramsey case. It was like old home week according to the person I spoke to. The only person who did not show up was Fleet. The Judge asked the Defense attorney why he wasn't there and Miller's attorney said that he talked to him but Fleet told him where to put that subpoena (sp?). The judge was not amused and issued a bench warrant for him. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "This is a hearsay account..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 14:54:11 5/04/2001 ...irrelevant to the facts at hand. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "I need a 'Hankie'!" Posted by watchin' on 12:23:28 5/04/2001 "The Judge asked the Defense attorney why he wasn't there and Miller's attorney said that he talked to him but Fleet told him where to put that subpoena (sp?). The judge was not amused and issued a bench warrant for him." What a grim reminder of the political bull*chit in Boulder and WHY this murder investigation is dead! I don't care that it was Fleet White who make these remarks or if they were made by the Rammers...it is an 'IN YOUR FACE' action that shows us all just how some are exempt from justice. The issue is not even if it was a grave matter to come court or a child support violation or a failure to appear on a traffic citation! When a certain group of citizens can mock the courts and tell them their paperwork is mere toilet paper, so to speak, then it is damn well time the whole judicial system gets an enema! We don't need these reminders from Fleet or anyone! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "I say" Posted by Sixpence on 12:17:33 5/04/2001 ..it's high time to stop banging on Fleet White and his family... ..was he not home on Xmas night watching his television from his own couch? ..are you saying his wife wrote the ransom note? ..just what is anybody saying that makes any sense about this man.. ..the murder occured in the Ramsey home..not in the White home...Daphne was not found brutally taken from this world..JonBenet Ramsey was..nor was White's daughter found with JonBenet....and to this day White's children are living at home with their parents, as is Burke.. ..until the day comes when this much convulsed DNA evidence points to White ..I will say he is just as much a maligned victim in this as Santa or the rest of them.. ..it is time to stop. ..he had a traffic ticket, that is all..and I don't blame him for thumbing his nose at all this bullchit.. ..the Ramsey's have changed their stories..in other words they lied about Burke sleeping and they lied about JonBenet being carried from the car ..she walked under her own power into the house and up the stairs...with the dark angel of Death treading her every step... ..I want the killer caught.. ..and a red stone to their throat.. ..and I swear, there will come a morning after and there will come a break in the dark spiritless sky that haunts this case..the poison tree will fall, and, ..by all the is Holy ..there will be Justice for JonBenet ..let the thunder roll sweet Starbaby, ..I am ready ..ready to hear your voice through the storm.. ..Tell us! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Well thank you" Posted by Gemini on 12:17:08 5/04/2001 Holly, msB and Grace for the information. Guess FW does not think of himself as just another card in the deck (bless his l'il aristocratic heart). Maybe he isn't. Maybe he's a joker. As usual, jmo. I don't suspect Fleet of anything too sinister (tho "I could be wrong" : ) ) ... just think a bunch of you guys are pinning a lot of high hopes on a goofus. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "She speaks" Posted by Watching you on 12:22:57 5/04/2001 and the thunder rolls, hahaha Hi Gem. Would you believe I don't hold out one drop of hope for this case? I don't know what other posters think, but I'm not pinning a lot of high hopes on Fleet White, if he is the one you are calling a goofus. That has nothing at all to do with my feelings about the way he has been trashed on this forum. I just think he is sick of all the crap he has had to endure for the past four years because his friend's daughter was found dead in her parents' basement. I don't blame him. I would be just as livid as he is. And I'm not strange at all. dododododododododododododod [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Refusing to cooperate with authorities" Posted by Cassandra on 12:44:18 5/04/2001 unless it suits their purposes? There must be something in the air in Pleasantville. I remember when the Patster roared off to the BPD when Pasta Jay was arrested for toting a gun and threatening those men, but she wouldn't give them the time of day about her baby's murder, would she? A strange crowd. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "wood'ja now?" Posted by Gemini on 12:42:32 5/04/2001 I doubt it, WY. You'd probably be livid that the babe was killed and everything is stalled, but I just can't see you wrapping yourself in a cloak of entitlement that exempts you from the "little things". The weirdest thing to me, and one reason I think the man's a goof, is that his choices are often those that leave his *ss hanging out for public consumption (disgusting choice of words I know, but accurate, IMO). Otherwise, about the BIG smear tactics ... well, sit down and strap in ... I agree with you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "what would happen" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:49:59 5/04/2001 if he had this bench warrant and skipped town? How many years would they keep a warrant out for his arrest? 7? 20? Life? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Fleet Bashers All" Posted by JR on 14:45:06 5/04/2001 The Judge asked the Defense attorney why he wasn't there and Miller's attorney said that he talked to him but Fleet told him where to put that subpoena (sp?). The judge was not amused and issued a bench warrant for him. Each and everyone of you is gloating over a warrant issued on "hearsay" if this post is accurate. Pretty pathetic IMO! Mary99 says: "And the fact that a warrant was issued is a matter of permanent record." I have no doubts Mary because I sincerely doubt the (unbiased - yeah right) reporter who rushed to get this to press didn't 1) follow-up and get the facts (it was vacated the same day) and 2) will not bother to have a redacting article in the paper tomorrow nor apologize "on the record" (read that in the news) to Fleet for printing it to begin with. Well - the paper might apologize if Fleet threatens to sue but trust me - it will be a tiny little box on a back page. We have all seen this chit before now haven't we? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "JR" Posted by mary99 on 14:56:45 5/04/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:56:45, 5/04/2001 Well the big dam finally sprung a little leak, and you are mopping it up. Thanks. See Edie's post about White's special treatment on the other thread....nevermind, here it is: 39. "another SERIOUS question" Posted by Edie Pratt on 15:42:05 5/03/2001 I am not being faceious, I REALLY want an answer here. WHY did we discuss Fernie's possible involvment, and nobody got mad, but discussing FW pi**es everybody off? What has FW done that puts him in the hero status category? Because he has remained silent, so to speak? Because he hates AH? Seriously, what makes FW different from Fernie, other than the fact that FW wandered about the hellhole and touched very incriminating evidence? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 58. "doesn't make sense" Posted by mary99 on 09:17:17 5/04/2001 Here we are discussing the murder of a six year old, and it's unsolved after 4+ years, and a woman who gave information to the BPD about Fleet was dissed and the alleged abuser defended. Edie's question is a fair one. WHY does Fleet get special treatment? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "WHY" Posted by JR on 15:31:35 5/04/2001 I will explain it one more time. You (the collective group of FW bashers) has yet to give one legitimate source as to all of your FW accusations. Defender of Fleet White? NO! Defender against unjust and unsupported accusations and insinuations - you bet! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "JR, you are so right!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:04:13 5/04/2001 Mrs. B. was careful to put this in her account: It was like old home week according to the person I spoke to. The whole account was related to Ma by a person or persons unknown, whose reliability we cannot ascertain. Utter hearsay. Was Ma's informant one of Fleet's enemies? mame, perhaps?? Ya know, JR, this whole thread reminds me of a verse in the Bible that warns people not to be too Pharasaical by "seeing the mote in your brother's eye, while ignoring the BEAM in your own eye". [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "Just for the record" Posted by MrsBrady on 18:30:34 5/04/2001 the 'informant' is a Fleet supporter, big time, and was shocked and dismayed by the "arrest warrant". [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "I'm going to ask this again" Posted by Watching you on 15:02:54 5/04/2001 Mary99, if your leader mame has come out and stated emphatically that the DNA under JB's fingernails was defensive, and flesh, then they have enough DNA to identify the fleshy killer. They also have FW's DNA. They have compared FW's DNA to the wonderful fleshy DNA. FW cannnot be a match for the DNA or his ass would be in prison. Therefore, it is safe to say FW did not kill JBR. And hence, the NK/FW fable has not a damn thing to do with the JBR murder and therefore has no place on this forum, unless we are going to discuss every crackpot theory in the world on the JBR forum. There is a specific forum here to discuss unrelated crimes. Isn't it about time the FW hate fest be taken there. Unless y'all want to admit the DNA isn't good enough to identify anyone. In that case you should feel free to continue to hang yourself. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "I think FW " Posted by mary99 on 15:42:40 5/04/2001 was excluded from the suspect list and put into the witness list very early, maybe too early. Did he actually give a DNA sample? Can you quote where that is confirmed? Thanks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "what took you so long?" Posted by fly on 15:46:18 5/04/2001 mary99 - I've been waiting for that for hours. So predictable. FYI, either Dan Abrams or Schiller on TV in the last 2 days said "everybody" close to the Ramseys had had their DNA, hair, and handwriting examined. Yeah, not an official verification. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "nope, fly" Posted by mary99 on 15:52:07 5/04/2001 I'm not buying it. Fleet is speeecial, don't you know? he's a VIW (Very Important Witness) Till I see a quote that says Fleet was DNA tested, it's a lie. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "I probably could" Posted by Watching you on 15:43:46 5/04/2001 but I'll wait until you confirm all the crap you've been putting out as fact over the past year. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "well, until then..." Posted by mary99 on 15:50:05 5/04/2001 I'll choose to disbelieve your pronouncement that Fleet gave a DNA sample. A sex offender database could be a good thing, I agree with Patsy on that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Until what, Mary99" Posted by Watching you on 15:53:07 5/04/2001 until you provide sources for all the lies you have told about FW? Until you prove your libelous assertions about his character? When hell freezes over? I don't have to prove a damn thing to you. You're the one with a lot of explaining to do. Er, BTW, Fly just gave you sources. Duh [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "sighs" Posted by v_p on 14:59:36 5/04/2001 >>>There was a motions hearing in Jefferson County court yesterday on the matter of Tom Miller and the ransom note. Miller's new attorney (some hotshot from Denver) supoenaed (sp?) everybody and their brother who was involved (no matter how tangentally) in the Ramsey case.<<<< I wonder who else didn't show up ... and it's not like FW was the only one subpeoned, (i caynt speyl the damned word either). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Others subpoenaed" Posted by Ginja on 15:19:09 5/04/2001 The case at hand revolves around the attempted purchase of the ransom note from a handwriting analyst. How did Vacca get the note? Alex Hunter handed it over to the Ramseys, and the Ramseys hired Vacca to analyze it. More than ten people were subpoenaed for this hearing. What would they be testifying to? That they saw the note. That's it! That's their testimony. That's what counsel wants them up on the stand for. To say they saw the note. Fleet White was subpoenaed. Steve Thomas was subpoenaed. John Ramsey was subpoenaed. Bench warrants were issued and then immediately quashed. There is no story here. The real problem here is a woman out in California has a grudge and she's found a number of suckers on the internet to divert attention away from JonBenet's murderer and focus it on the son of her mother's godfather. She's made accusations against this man that border on filing false police reports. She's abused the system as much as she's been abused by men her mother pimped her out to. Her outrageous allegations have been investigated by the Boulder Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. None of her allegations could be substantiated or proved. The Boulder Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation have ended their investigations and have not filed any charges whatsoever against Fleet White or any member of his family. Certain people should be sighing relief that their friend with mental health problems wasn't arrested herself for filing false charges and sending two separate law enforcement agencies on such an outrageous wild goose chase! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Ginja" Posted by mary99 on 15:46:05 5/04/2001 Can't hardly believe you, who are out to be an attorney, could be so woefully biased. Since her story doesn't mesh with your 'theory', guess that explains everything. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "v_p, Ma also said" Posted by darby on 15:21:53 5/04/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:21:53, 5/04/2001 that her source said, "The only person who did not show up was Fleet." Take it or leave it. I don't know who Ma's source was. edited cux I can't spell either. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Yes, v-p," Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:08:30 5/04/2001 and how many subpoenas did the judge throw out because, in his or her opinion, the lawyer went a bit overboard in calling in peripheral persons? There is more to this story, but throwing it out there while being VERY selective of the pertinent facts suits the agenda of the Unfabulous Four. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "For those who missed this--" Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:15:44 5/04/2001 Some of our evening posters may have missed this announcement, tucked away halfway down the first Bench Warrant thread: 42. "IMPORTANT!" Posted by Holly on 09:10:35 5/04/2001 I just got off the phone with a criminal cases clerk. The bench warrant was issued and did set a bond on 5/3/01. It was then "stayed" or held until end of court. At the end of court, the bench warrant was VACATED. That means something was brought to the judge's attention regarding Fleet's failed appearance and she vacated her warrant at the end of the day. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "WY" Posted by darby on 15:25:56 5/04/2001 Who are the members of the "unfabulous four?" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "darby, " Posted by LurkerXIV on 16:19:17 5/04/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 16:19:17, 5/04/2001 If the shoe fits..... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "How would I know, Darby" Posted by Watching you on 15:26:49 5/04/2001 I didn't write it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "sorry WY" Posted by darby on 15:30:14 5/04/2001 Lurker, who? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "The only interest" Posted by darby on 15:34:13 5/04/2001 I had was why FW was subpoenaed. Now I learn, thanks to Ma, that everyone was subpoenaed. *I* probably was subpoenaed. This was in the paper and we didn't know much else but what was said. It was curious to lots of people. So what? Thanks to Holly, we learned that the thing was vacated. It's a non-issue. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "IN RES IPSO" Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:32:36 5/04/2001 ;) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Sad to Say" Posted by JR on 15:39:46 5/04/2001 The Ramsey Spin Team is succeeding. Do Y'all realize this non-issue has now had close to 200 posts? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Lurker" Posted by darby on 15:37:46 5/04/2001 Don't know what you mean, but it's probably just as well. You are absolutely rabid. In a way, I feel sorry for you. TTFN [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "I will let the forum decide" Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:46:11 5/04/2001 who is rabid in regard to Fleet White. At least I am not on anyone's "to sue" list. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "I will tell you about rabid" Posted by Watching you on 15:56:53 5/04/2001 venenous, and vicious - Mary99 has proved herself to be out for one thing - the character assassination of Fleet White. She doesn't care what lies she has to tell, she is out to destroy him. She will call other posters liars to obtain her goals - destroy Fleet White at any cost. Her hatred is like a cancer on this forum. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "tit for tat, WY" Posted by mary99 on 16:04:20 5/04/2001 Here is what you said to me: 6. "I probably could" Posted by Watching you on 15:43:46 5/04/2001 [give a source] but I'll wait until you confirm all the crap you've been putting out as fact over the past year. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 52. "Until what, Mary99" Posted by Watching you on 15:53:07 5/04/2001 until you provide sources for all the lies you have told about FW? Until you prove your libelous assertions about his character? When hell freezes over? I don't have to prove a damn thing to you. You're the one with a lot of explaining to do. Er, BTW, Fly just gave you sources. Duh ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm tired of hearing that Nancy Krebs is a liar and feel perfectly justified in asking for sources, the same way you do, and calling IT (not you) a lie until it is confirmed. The Golden Rule and all. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "I never called" Posted by Watching you on 16:07:42 5/04/2001 Nancy Krebs a liar, Mary99. And, I feel perfectly justified in NOT giving sources, the same as YOU do. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "L-XIV" Posted by Gemini on 15:54:12 5/04/2001 IMO, darby is interested but not rabid. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Yes WY" Posted by Gemini on 16:03:14 5/04/2001 Mary99 does seem somewhat rabid ... almost parallel to the folks who are rabidly bent on ramsey guilt, don'cha think? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Mary," Posted by Florida on 16:09:05 5/04/2001 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm tired of hearing that Nancy Krebs is a liar and feel perfectly justified in asking for sources, the same way you do, and calling IT (not you) a lie until it is confirmed. It has been confirmed. You and a few other internet posters are the only ones who haven't accepted it yet. How disappointed you must have been when Lou never even mentioned Nancy's accusations... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "Stalking again, Gem" Posted by Watching you on 16:08:18 5/04/2001 I am not bent on Ramsey guilt. Get over it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Gemini" Posted by mary99 on 16:06:13 5/04/2001 Fight fire with equal fire... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "y'know Mary99 ..." Posted by Gemini on 16:16:45 5/04/2001 I may have to rephrase that because I'm not sure "rabid" is a good descriptive word for it. You are a very intense poster. "Rabid" suggests out-of-control, and I think your posts are quite self-controlled and deliberate. You seem to have a deep conviction (just as the folks who think the Rams killed their child have) that you do not want to see die by the wayside. But (and remember, this is just IMO), I think it's totally counter-productive to reason if (and when) you carry it out to slander. Now there may be a slight possibility you have private information the rest of us do not have that leads you to your conclusions - therefore you think the truth is on your side and truth over-rides slander. But Mary, as long as we don't have that information, it would indeed be slander (or in the case of cyber communication, maybe libel) if we who are in the dark went along and muddied a reputation on your say so. There's more to it than that. Tearing down a personal reputation and "good name" is a little like murder, in and of itself. Decent people just don't go there on here-say and/or gossip, IMO. So, maybe "zealot" is a better word than "rabid", but you're running at the far edge of the flock here and may as well be prepared to pay the price. Sorry for any major typo errors but have to run an errand or two with no time to preview. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Gemini" Posted by mary99 on 16:20:21 5/04/2001 "Zealot", I could live with. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Like I said" Posted by Watching you on 16:09:06 5/04/2001 like arguing with a stump. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "And, BTW, Mary99" Posted by Watching you on 16:10:27 5/04/2001 wipe the smug expression off your face, you ain't even close. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "lol WY" Posted by Gemini on 16:23:44 5/04/2001 darn you! You're going to make me late to get my hair cut : ). AGAIN I was not talking to or about you. Get over me!!! : ) (ya silly! hope you have a knock-out weekend) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "GEM" Posted by JR on 16:27:07 5/04/2001 RE: Post #63. Great post! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "You too" Posted by Watching you on 16:26:26 5/04/2001 woman [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Okay" Posted by MrsBrady on 18:40:21 5/04/2001 I'm getting a lot of phone calls and emails this week, it's "like old home week", so I'm floating alot of rumors, I don't like doing it, but you all work hard and deserve a heads up, at least, dammnit. Source is a Fleet-supporter. Source said Fleet was the ONLY one who was no-show. I posted the 'rumor' on the Thursday daily thread in the late afternoon EDT and did not name target because I knew it would be 'inflamatory'. PS - I personally think the Whites are eccentric, high-strung and under alot of self-imposed pressures and stress. They are trying to raise two minor children in BOULDER and refusing to admit defeat by skulking away to Seattle or Glen Burnie or Malibu or Vinings (godforbid) unlike other SKULKERS we know and love. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Thanks, Mrs. B." Posted by LurkerXIV on 09:39:10 5/05/2001 I do not object to anyone floating rumors and theories to be dissected here, and either discarded or accepted. That's what a discussion forum is all about. I DO object to people spouting rumor as FACT, identifying it as FACT, and getting away with it because they stand behind the old saw,"I cannot reveal my sources". Much of the time, lazy reporters find their "sources" in a favorite watering hole (like the Toad in Boulder), and their informant is s**t-faced drunk. I know you have many informants, some reliable, some not. We must take it all with a grain of salt. But keep that info coming, Ma. We'll just keep in mind the warning "CAVEAT EMPTOR". [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "Well I think" Posted by v_p on 18:52:20 5/04/2001 they should take one last look at Boulder ... through their rear-view mirror. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Well if" Posted by MrsBrady on 18:55:55 5/04/2001 He was my son that would be what I would advise. And while you're at it quit the entire State of Colorado too. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "Double-edged sword" Posted by A.K. on 02:28:06 5/06/2001 Threads like this and the other White bashing ones restart the clock for the statute of limitations... meaning nasty posters can and should be held legally accountable for their writing. On the other hand, it also opens up the exposure on the part of Justice Watch. Is total freedom of expression worth potentially losing the entire experiment? Obviously self-monitoring doesn't work, so decisions must be made. Nothing new, of course. I identified this legal problem when this subject first cropped up. Anyone who works in the media would be hip to this -- which is why you haven't seen Krebs' charges in any legitimate news outlet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]