Justice Watch Support JW "EVIDENCE 8: Brown fibers on JBR, Tape, Cord" [ Main ] [ Post New Thread ] [ Help ] [ Search ] Table of Contents ................................................................... EVIDENCE 8: Brown fibers on JBR, Tape, Cord, Ginja, 14:39:13, 5/05/2001 Although we know that the Ramseys say..., Dunvegan, 15:44:02, 5/05/2001, (#1) The brown fibers & John's clothing, Britt, 19:35:39, 5/05/2001, (#2) Hi Britt, Rebecca, 19:57:09, 5/05/2001, (#4) khaki man, Edie Pratt, 19:52:36, 5/05/2001, (#3) Hmm, Anton, 20:55:13, 5/05/2001, (#5) you're right, Anton, Edie Pratt, 20:57:31, 5/05/2001, (#6) Unless they are new, Gemini, 21:13:54, 5/05/2001, (#7) Or very old, Anton, 22:33:10, 5/05/2001, (#8) According, karen, 23:51:42, 5/05/2001, (#9) ................................................................... "EVIDENCE 8: Brown fibers on JBR, Tape, Cord" Posted by Ginja on 14:39:13 5/05/2001 Light brown cotton fibers were found on wood shards of broken paintbrush, the duct tape, the nylon cord and on JonBenet's body. What was John wearing? Remember, the Ramseys didn't hand over their clothes for a year. It was believed that some of the items turned over were just off the rack (newly purchased) and that there were items that were never turned over. Likewise, what else was in the art box? And could the duct tape and cord have been in that box? Perhaps something in the box was the source of the fibers. Also, it could have been carried by the perp or taken out of the box by the perp (i.e., cloth, old rag). Finally, were the fibers found anywhere else in the crime scenes? If they were from something the perp was wearing, and seeing how it 'shed' so easily, there should be more fibers left in his wake. If he brought leaves and peanuts in with him, then I would think while shimmying through the window he would lose a brown cotton fiber or two, no? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Although we know that the Ramseys say..." Posted by Dunvegan on 15:45:11 5/05/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:45:11, 5/05/2001 ...there was no videotape taken on Christmas Day...are there pictures from the party of both John and Patsy? If so, are the basement brown fibers consistant with the clothes any of the guests or the Ramseys were wearing. The BPD would know this...for the rest of us, we'd need a trial to bring this information to light. Ginja: Excellent series of threads. Brava! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "The brown fibers & John's clothing" Posted by Britt on 19:35:39 5/05/2001 I pointed this out on the original thread, but I'll mention it again here. From Thomas's book: [Officer] French... was met at the front door by a distraught dark-haired woman in black pants and a red sweater... They were joined at the door by a man in a long-sleeved blue-and-white-striped shirt and khaki slacks. Patsy and John Ramsey told the officer that their daughter, JonBenet, was missing... IRMI, p. 16 (both hardcover & paperback) Could the brown fibers be from John's pants? Somebody (Janov??) mentioned the fibers were thought (by whom?) to be from "soft" material like gloves, but since I assume we're talking about microscopic fibers here, I don't know how it can be known what type of clothing/material they came from, i.e. gloves or pants, without comparing them to the item. Fibers are just fibers. And if these are indeed light-brown, cotton fibers, they could be from khaki pants. Does anybody think John ever handed over the actual pants he wore that morning to the CBI? Me neither. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Hi Britt" Posted by Rebecca on 19:57:09 5/05/2001 Remember the little navy suit that Jon Benet was wearing in one of her pictures? The white cording (Trim) around her collar looks just like the cord she was tied with...wonder if the BPD checked with the woman who made Jon Bonet's costumes. Maybe it could be all that was left after triming her suit. Lou Smit's "intruder" theory stinks...someone who knew so much about the Ramseys and knew the interior of their house at night to move around so easily and be a crazy violent lunatic pedophile albeit neat and orderly just does'nt fit. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "khaki man" Posted by Edie Pratt on 19:52:36 5/05/2001 all this time we've talked about Patsy's repeat on her xmas outfit, and nothing was said about John's clothing, at dinner or that morning. I think it was John himself that said he was "wallpaper" around folks. Who would notice what he was wearing, and wouldn't all those Stepford men wear about the same thing? Don't those fellas have a uniform, letting their wives dazzle in beaver and baubles? No leather and whips for this killer, he's a khaki killer. Blends right into the scenery, (except at Patsy's place. Nobody wears Pepto Dismal chic),just one of the pack. Why do you suppose we're just now hearing about these fibers? They saw them the same time they saw Patsy's, but it didn't leak. Hmmm? Never mention anything about JR's ensemble, give him a pass, why? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Hmm" Posted by Anton on 20:55:13 5/05/2001 These are good points but we have to consider that John and Patsy did everything but change clothes with their child once the body was brought out of hiding. It's not surprising fibers from John's pants might be on the body, tape and cord. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "you're right, Anton" Posted by Edie Pratt on 20:57:31 5/05/2001 but would they be on the brush? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Unless they are new" Posted by Gemini on 21:13:54 5/05/2001 and brushed cotton, khaki pants don't shed that kind of fiber. Believe me, I know ... wash many of them each week : ). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Or very old" Posted by Anton on 22:33:10 5/05/2001 Really old, threadbare cloth sheds sometimes. John doesn't seem like the type to wear really old stuff, though. How would any such fibers get onto a broken paint brush? Perhaps if the brush was broken over a man's knee and snagged the pants. Then too, John supposedly took a shower and presumably put on different clothes that morning. Unlike a certain other person. Maybe the fibers are from canvas shreds in the paint tote, brought out on the paint brush and the cord and tape if all of that was in the tote. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "According" Posted by karen on 23:51:42 5/05/2001 to Lou Smit the killer probably wore gloves thus the light brown fibers. Apparently they were found on just about everything associated with the murder, including the body. The thing I question, and of course I could be wrong about this, is wouldn't light brown or beige be the color of gloves a woman might wear as opposed to a man? It's not exactly a mans color. To the men who post here and own beige or light brown fuzzy gloves, please don't be insulted. Just set me straight ifI'm wrong! And accept my apologies. But what do you think? Isn't that more of a womans color? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]