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If You Could Ask The Ramseys One Question, lecarl, 10:51:00, 5/07/2000 Question to John and Patsy, Greenleaf, 11:25:30, 5/07/2000, (#1) Get real, ladies, docg, 11:41:34, 5/07/2000, (#5) Lecarl, Ruthee, 11:31:34, 5/07/2000, (#2) The Killer, Ruthee, 11:39:15, 5/07/2000, (#3) There is no "Sick Puppy", Ruthee, 11:41:17, 5/07/2000, (#4) John, v_p, 11:42:22, 5/07/2000, (#6) Ooooh, just one?, janphi, 11:50:42, 5/07/2000, (#7) One question...hmmmm?, Starling, 12:12:38, 5/07/2000, (#8) Patsy, Ruthee, 12:14:51, 5/07/2000, (#9) I'd ask them, regarding the Thomas book..., Catwoman, 14:45:04, 5/07/2000, (#10) My question..., Aurora, 15:12:17, 5/07/2000, (#11) Writer of note, Orsen, 15:21:36, 5/07/2000, (#12) Patsy,, AutumnBorn, 15:22:18, 5/07/2000, (#13) Exactly, Hyacinth, 15:24:15, 5/07/2000, (#14) I would ask...., Ajila, 16:00:57, 5/07/2000, (#15) Orsen, Starling, 17:59:19, 5/07/2000, (#16) another question, pavement, 18:38:02, 5/07/2000, (#17) I would ask..., cstuart, 18:39:08, 5/07/2000, (#18) BTW, cstuart, 18:41:05, 5/07/2000, (#19) biggest regret, Ryder, 20:15:36, 5/08/2000, (#53) Orsen, Greenleaf, 19:02:59, 5/07/2000, (#21) pavement, docg, 18:58:13, 5/07/2000, (#20) questions, pat, 19:54:38, 5/07/2000, (#23) Records, janphi, 23:45:11, 5/07/2000, (#33) Brilliant questions, Pat, docg, 20:08:02, 5/07/2000, (#25) Hey Doc,, pavement, 19:50:32, 5/07/2000, (#22) pavement, docg, 20:15:02, 5/07/2000, (#26) John and Patsy..., BusDriver, 19:59:13, 5/07/2000, (#24) Hummmm???, shadow, 20:18:56, 5/07/2000, (#27) Questions, Tedleg, 20:24:21, 5/07/2000, (#28) Starling...!, Greeality, 22:46:57, 5/07/2000, (#29) QUESTIONS, DUNT, 23:16:58, 5/07/2000, (#31) Pavement,, AutumnBorn, 23:07:13, 5/07/2000, (#30) ...inside their skin, not your skin in their place..., pavement, 23:33:59, 5/07/2000, (#32) Pavement -, AutumnBorn, 00:11:33, 5/08/2000, (#34) Autumnborn..., pavement, 09:36:29, 5/08/2000, (#43) Questions for the Ramseys, lee2, 00:22:41, 5/08/2000, (#35) And one more question, lee2, 00:28:08, 5/08/2000, (#36) This question is influenced by the poster, lee2, 00:37:27, 5/08/2000, (#37) Hi Greality!, GuyGene, 02:58:36, 5/08/2000, (#38) ..a child of six..a child of goodness, Nikki, 06:08:13, 5/08/2000, (#39) I'd ask JR --, Holly, 06:12:24, 5/08/2000, (#40) I'd ask the Ramsey's, WitchyWoman, 09:16:15, 5/08/2000, (#41) sorry, docg, lecarl, 09:27:54, 5/08/2000, (#42) Holly, ask Priscilla, Rascal, 10:20:29, 5/08/2000, (#44) OK, Rascal --, Holly, 04:59:12, 5/09/2000, (#57) FW/PW, Starling, 06:55:08, 5/09/2000, (#58) Holly,read, study, and learn., Rascal, 11:42:21, 5/09/2000, (#61) My first question, Ryder, 10:39:54, 5/08/2000, (#45) Pavement,, AutumnBorn, 11:27:43, 5/08/2000, (#47) One Question only..., zoomama, 11:13:07, 5/08/2000, (#46) WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?, Edie Pratt, 11:43:45, 5/08/2000, (#48) Puff Daddy?, vic, 12:04:11, 5/08/2000, (#49) If John is Puff Daddy, lee2, 12:09:43, 5/08/2000, (#50) Just like I'd ask OJ,, gaiabetsy, 12:15:02, 5/08/2000, (#51) Questions for the polygraph-can't do just one, mother, 19:43:13, 5/08/2000, (#52) I would ask, starry, 20:34:48, 5/08/2000, (#56) OK, John & Patsy:, johnlin, 20:20:47, 5/08/2000, (#54) POS, starry, 20:32:54, 5/08/2000, (#55) Good one, Starry , Cassandra, 07:06:37, 5/09/2000, (#59) starry, vic, 08:55:42, 5/09/2000, (#60) Detective Arndt, tweety, 12:36:25, 5/09/2000, (#62) ................................................................... "If You Could Ask The Ramseys One Question" Posted by lecarl on 10:51:00 5/07/2000 what would it be? I would ask, if they are so convinced their daughter was killed by an intruder, why haven't they ever mentioned the amazing coincidence of how closely the killer was able to duplicate PR's handwriting AND their unique style of expression? Surely it must have occured to these INNOCENT parents that the killer has to be someone so close to them that he knows such intimate details about them. I would also like to ask all "TALK SHOW HOSTS" why they never confront the Rams with this impossible-to-answer-if-they-are-indeed-innocent question. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Question to John and Patsy" Posted by Greenleaf on 11:25:30 5/07/2000 Was JonBenet looking you in the eyes when you murdered her? GL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Get real, ladies" Posted by docg on 11:43:26 5/07/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:43:26, 5/07/2000 Those are powder puff questions. The printing on the note does NOT look anything like Patsy's hand. At least not to the average person (who is not already biased -- which rules out about 90% of those on this forum!). This is something only certain "experts" have "noticed," because they have looked for certain very specific things the average person wouldn't think to look for. Such as, e.g., the initial downstroke on the letter "m". As far as "unique style of expression," please, please. A lot of our posters out there thought DIWI was Lou Smit, for cryin' out loud. And every pro-Ram has at one time or another been accused of being Jameson. Even the ultimate "expert" on this aspect, Prof. D. Foster, has been badly burned. And direct confrontation won't cut it either. They're used to that. So forget about asking them "why they killed their daughter," or "how did it feel to look into her eyes." No answer is possible, so they have a perfect excuse not to provide one. No. The questioning of John and Patsy Ramsey is definitely an art. Barbara Walters looked pretty lame for the most part, but her question about taking polygraphs was a KILLER! THAT one question has made a huge difference. And recently someone asked them if they'd ever taken a poly before. Another direct hit! I think there are still probably a mess of excellent questions out there, crying to be asked. But let me give ANY future interviewer a HUGE tip. Before you proceed with the interview, ask two VERY important questions: 1. John, would you mind waiting in an anteroom where you can't see or hear anything while I ask Patsy some questions? 2. And Patsy, would you mind doing the same thing while I then ask John the SAME questions? Now what do you think the response would be? Hmmmm? Polygraph!!! We don't need your damn polygraph! Just GRILL the HELL out of these folks right out there in public the very next time they DARE to be interviewed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Lecarl" Posted by Ruthee on 11:31:34 5/07/2000 That's an easy one. There are many answers, none of which make sense. "Everything they touched turned to gold." Someone wanted JonBenet out of the way so "they" could inherit the fortune. John headed a "billion dollar company", someone studied the Ramsey family for years, maybe even lived in the house for a while, before he/she/it/they pulled this off. There weren't four people in the house that night, there were five. They invited an overnight guest that they forgot about. John would be happy to give his name, but he can't remember who was there. There was an attempt made on the life of everyone at the Christmas Party. Fleet White called 911, but Patsy was the real hero with; "Don't go there pal." Sometime during Christmas day the killer was checking out the house in prep for the murder, but ran when confronted by Patsy with a potato peeling knife. Lucky for Patsy, she just happened to be slicing fresh pineapple. No one saw his face. He was wearing a black sleeping mask. Sometime during Christmas Eve, the killer, dressed in a Santa Suit, went to the wine cellar to open his gifts. He thought he heard someone coming, took off the suit, and ran stark naked through the streets. There are clues.....many clues. He left his clothes and his gifts. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "The Killer" Posted by Ruthee on 11:39:15 5/07/2000 Must have known the family well. How else could she know that Patsy gave out 118 thousand keys to the house. This person is close to that family. there's no dobut in my mind about that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "There is no "Sick Puppy"" Posted by Ruthee on 11:41:17 5/07/2000 A puppy is a young dog not yet reaching maturity. It's obvious this kiler was an adult. One "Sick Bitch." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "John" Posted by v_p on 11:42:22 5/07/2000 Was your son taught how to make garrotes in Boy Scouts? Patsy, did you ever see the movie, "I'll Cry Tomorrow" with Susan Hayward? I'll bet Lillian Roth, as a child, could relate to poor JonBenet. V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Ooooh, just one?" Posted by janphi on 11:50:42 5/07/2000 Ooooh, that's tough. Are we assuming they are on "truth serum"? Does SP work on Rams? I doubt that "under oath" would mean anything to them. Hmmmm.... It's a toss-up here: Before 12/26/96, had you ever seen a handmade cord garrote? or Before 12/26/96, had you ever made a cord garrote? or What do you think S.B.T.C. stands for? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "One question...hmmmm?" Posted by Starling on 12:12:38 5/07/2000 I would have to ask John one. Can you proove you were at the airport, for the entire time you claim you were there, Christmas morning and afternoon - December 25, 1996? I have my own reasoning for asking this question, but I don't think he can do it. "Christmas day was no different..." JR Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Patsy" Posted by Ruthee on 12:14:51 5/07/2000 How did you write the "L's" on the Ransom note during the first portion said to be "Written with a shaky hand", and how do you explain the fact that I can make the exact same ones WITHOUT even looking at or trying to copy your handwriting? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "I'd ask them, regarding the Thomas book..." Posted by Catwoman on 14:45:04 5/07/2000 ...why they haven't sued him for libel yet. Could it be that TRUTH is an absolute defense? ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "My question..." Posted by Aurora on 15:12:17 5/07/2000 Is your new home a haven of peace and comfort or rather a prison ...of your mind ...filled with fear and uncertainy ? Docg...I agree with you...DIVIDE and CONQUER [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Writer of note" Posted by Orsen on 15:21:36 5/07/2000 Of the three that were left in the house, which one of you God fearing people wrote that note, was it the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost writer. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Patsy," Posted by AutumnBorn on 15:25:19 5/07/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:25:19, 5/07/2000 did you ever imagine, back in your glory days as a "beauty queen", that you'd grow to be so large and plain? Edited: Did I ever imagine that I'd ever say anything like that to another human being? No, but I'm just so puzzled as to how she let herself go...she's such a narcissist, I can't help myself. I'm growing into such a bitter b*tch over this whole thing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Exactly" Posted by Hyacinth on 15:24:15 5/07/2000 Divide and conquer --- and ask them to define (a la Clinton) their own lexicon, words like: What is your definition of a lie? What is your definition of deception? Can deception occur without it being considered a lie to you? To what extent do you feel yourself accountable to God for deception? What is your defintion of a "good family name"? What is your definition of a "protecting your good family name"? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "I would ask...." Posted by Ajila on 16:00:57 5/07/2000 Will you please take a polygraph test 'now' without Boulder Police blessings, so you can get off that dime, Patsy? Ajila [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Orsen" Posted by Starling on 17:59:19 5/07/2000 Flol - how original! Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "another question" Posted by pavement on 18:38:02 5/07/2000 I don't know what I would ask, but, I wonder what kind of answers you would expect to get if the Ramseys were indeed innocent? I mean, just pretend for a minute, forget all past behaviour, blah, blah, blah... If they were innocent and didn't have an effin' clue about what happened or how it happened or why it happened and they were all baffled and confused and trying to figure it out (just like all of you), then how would you expect them to answer these great questions? I'm not interested in hearing about how it's so obvious that they did it and all that. It's just a question. Slip inside that person's skin (to paraphrase Atticus Finch), and see what comes out. But, first you have to feel it from inside that skin, not from inside your own. It's a very hard thing to do. So, please, pretend you're them and innocent and you've been asked one of the questions in the above postings. How would you respond? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "I would ask..." Posted by cstuart on 19:51:31 5/07/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:51:31, 5/07/2000 Patsy, what are your moments not on drugs like? I imagine they must be hellish. Also, how much time do you spend reading our posts? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "BTW" Posted by cstuart on 19:52:11 5/07/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:52:11, 5/07/2000 I always LOVE these types of threads, when the case and Ramsey news gets stale. Another one for another time would be... What do you think Patsy/John regrets most? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "biggest regret" Posted by Ryder on 20:27:03 5/08/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:27:03, 5/08/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:25:19, 5/08/2000 is probably not having called 911 when JB was struck. 2nd biggest regret is probably HAVING called 911 in the morning. Just imagine this: Let's say one of the Rams was involved in this death and all the staging is done as was the case except that it is made very clear in the letter that kidnappers will call on the 27th between 8-10(rather than the 26th). So, they don't call the police nor the friends. Instead, on the 26th, early morning, they get in touch with the Michigan-bound children and say that something urgent has come up - they can't explain - but they can't go to Michigan. On the 26th Then JR gets 18,000.00 together just as he did, not explaining the reason to the banker. They take the body out of the house and go get rid of it. They then go pick up their money and go back home and wait until the kidnapper's call. The 27th comes and there's no call from the kidnappers so NOW they call the police and they tell the police that they followed the instructions of the kidnappers for fear their daughter would be killed but that there was no call and now they don't know what to do. That would have been a better plan, I think. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Orsen" Posted by Greenleaf on 19:02:59 5/07/2000 That was funny! Now, I have an assignment for you. During this "lull" in the case, why not honor us with another long, funny post? Maybe it could be about the possible divorce and what that will mean to all the odd characters involved in this case. Now come on. Don't be shy. (LOL) We need your kind of wit right now. Honestly, we do. Cheers and all that, Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "pavement" Posted by docg on 18:58:13 5/07/2000 "So, please, pretend you're them and innocent and you've been asked one of the questions in the above postings. How would you respond?" Excellent question. For starters, I'd agree to take that polygraph test right off the bat. I'd be grateful for the opportunity to clear myself. If asked to be questioned apart from my wife, I'd have no trouble with that at all and, if my wife were also innocent, I can't imagine why she'd have a problem either. (Somehow I don't think you'd get that reaction from the Rams during a talk show interview. They'd want to know why they were being "grilled".) Above all, if I were innocent, *I* would be the one asking questions, hunting up leads, sending the police out to interview ANYONE suspicious. Talk about throwing people under the bus! I'd be throwing the whole city of Boulder under that bus. And if there were a neighbor who claimed she heard something that night, I'd be all over her with questions, rather than pretending all I knew about her was what I'd heard in media reports. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "questions" Posted by pat on 19:54:38 5/07/2000 Would you and john ask alex hunter and the governor if the grand jurors could be released from the orders not to talk and can the transcripts of grand jury testimony be released? Would you and john allow burke to be questioned without you and without lawyers by Mr. Kane and Steve Thomas? would you voluntarily release your home, cell and business phone records for the nite of the 25th and the day of the 26th of dec 1996? would you allow nedra to be interviewed by Steve Thomas and Mame without you or lawyers present? would you release your medical records of your cancer illness complete with review by a cancer doctor? Would you request that your pastor in boulder and your pastor in georgia give interviews and waive any confidentiality and tell what they know? Would you look at the pictures of your daughter's vagina and tell us why you waffle on the question of her being sexually abused? Would you release jonbenets therapist and/or counselor from the time prior to her murder to be interviewed and her information be publicly known as to her concerns and anxieties and the therapist's thoughts about her? Just how stupid are you to complly with all the above? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Records" Posted by janphi on 23:45:11 5/07/2000 >would you voluntarily release your home, cell >and business phone records for the >nite of the 25th and the >day of the 26th of dec >1996? And pager records as well. (I always forget that one.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Brilliant questions, Pat" Posted by docg on 20:08:02 5/07/2000 Here are some more: Would you be willing to release your attorneys and everyone they've hired from their "lawyer/client privilege" constraints, so they could speak freely and openly about their conversations with you? And if not, why not? Would you tell us how many handwriting experts you consulted before you hit upon the "leading people in their field" who found that both of you could, essentially, be "ruled out" as writers of the note? Would you allow reporters access to your financial records, so it would be possible to determine who is or was on your payroll? Hmmm. WHY do I think the Ramseys will never again give another interview? :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Hey Doc," Posted by pavement on 19:50:32 5/07/2000 Probably my fault, but I think you missed the point. I'm not asking what you would do. Just what would you say if someone asked you, "Who killed your kid?" Or, "why did they do it," or "how did they do it?" If you were innocent and were asked a specific question and had to answer it on the spot, how would you respond? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "pavement" Posted by docg on 20:15:02 5/07/2000 No. I understood. Sure, the innocent and the guilty would respond with the same sort of answers. Which is why the answers to those sorts of questions are not interesting. What's interesting are the trickier, more insidious type of questions, such as the brilliant: "have you ever taken a polygraph?" An innocent person would be candid about that. An innocent person would NOT hide behind some legalese nonsensical garbage! An innocent person would say: "yes we did take a polygraph as urged by our lawyers and we were found to be untruthful on some of the questions and this has bothered us, yes, because we ARE telling the truth. So for that reason we are now EAGER to take polgraphs from the FBI in order to clear this up. We certainly don't want our lawyers to think we're lying." If >you were innocent and were asked >a specific question and had to >answer it on the spot, how >would you respond? That's how I'd respond to that particular question. Is that better? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "John and Patsy..." Posted by BusDriver on 19:59:13 5/07/2000 why can't you just shut up and stay out of our face? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Hummmm???" Posted by shadow on 20:18:56 5/07/2000 I can't think of one question that I'd like to ask the Ramseys! I guess I'm as about "burned-out" on the JBR case as Steve Thomas was when he wrote his letter.... shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Questions" Posted by Tedleg on 20:24:21 5/07/2000 Who have your well-paid and politically connected legal team developed as likely suspects in this case? Why haven't you been camped out outside the courthouse demanding that person's arrest? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Starling...!" Posted by Greeality on 22:46:57 5/07/2000 I am a somewhat new and part-time reader of JW (since Feb, and can't seem to read them all and not get caught by the boss :) but you have picqued (sp?) my interest more than once - I take it you have an interesting theory, and I have not seen it shared except in cryptic parts, such as above (Can JR prove he was where he caims to be the day of the 25th) I, for one, would love to hear more of what you think and why....indulge me? Or maybe you could point me to a thread with more of your ideas on it. Thanks! -Gree [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "QUESTIONS" Posted by DUNT on 23:16:58 5/07/2000 How many times have you been asked to babysit someone elses kids in the last three years? Do you expect to be left alone with grandchildren in the future? How do you explain the dust on the windowsill not being disturbed, if you think it was an intruder? Why were you so upset that the FBI wasn't brought in right away if you think they are incapable of administering a polygraph? If Burke did have something to do with this, do you think you would lie to protect him? Oh yeah,what's up with all those scarves, Patsy? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Pavement," Posted by AutumnBorn on 23:07:13 5/07/2000 I have a little girl who is six years old. She and JB have the same birthday, August 6. I truly cherish her - her name is Anastacia. If she were found dead in my home and I know that I hadn't killed her but was suspected, I'd answer every question - dozens of times, if necessary. I'd answer them with a polygraph hooked up while under hypnosis with a sodium penathol drip, whatever it took to get the investigation on the right track. I would insist on it from the moment of realization that I was a suspect. It was a good question/hypothetical. Would you answer your own question? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "...inside their skin, not your skin in their place..." Posted by pavement on 23:33:59 5/07/2000 The point that I am trying to make is that if they don't know what the heck happened it can be pretty hard to come up wiht answers that are going to satisfy anybody. And no one is satisfied with their answers. Their behaviour as such is better understood if you can slip into their skin. See it through their eyes (once again, assuming innocence; just for the sake of argument). People seem to have a hard time doing that, witness docg above. People are always saying, "if I was them I would...," but that's the wrong approach. It isn't what you would do in their place, it's what you would do if you were them. A distinction hard to make for some people. I find some of their behaviour odd, but, I don't interpret it as a sign of guilt. I think it has more to do with religious convictions (JonBenet is in a better place, they will be reunited; vengence is the lord's, not mine, etc.), lawyers and too many of them, paranoia, fear and a, not impossible to understand, belief that they are the only suspects being targeted. They are not being looked at to be cleared, they are being looked at to be convicted. I can't walk in their shoes, and I can't judge them either. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Pavement -" Posted by AutumnBorn on 00:26:08 5/08/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 00:26:08, 5/08/2000 but we judge people all the time. It's part of justice and it's required under the law. I agree that we can't judge their souls, but we can judge their behavior and actions. If we were to not judge people's actions, then it would undoubtedly take a confession to solve any crime. But there aren't usually confessions and DNA isn't always the "know all" of a crime - a man's sperm inside a woman's vagina does not mean a rape took place. Granted, it's a circumstantial case, but most cases are just that and people are convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time. The reason I didn't imagine myself as Patsy or John is that I can't. I can't imagine being someone who would NOT do the things I said above. I can only speculate on what I would have done in their shoes. The only point of reference I have with them is as the mother of a six year old girl. If she were murdered, I'd do whatever it took to get the investigation going on the right track - I'd answer any question under any circumstances. I'd do whatever I could to make sure another child wasn't murdered by the same person. Edited to clarify a point and add: Pavement, I was afraid that you'd gone away. I hadn't seen you posting for awhile, then today, here you are! Now a question for you? What was the first mistake the Rams, as innocent people, made? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Autumnborn..." Posted by pavement on 09:36:29 5/08/2000 didn't know anybody missed me. haha We can and do judge people by their behaviour and actions. We do it from inside our own skin and our own experiences. I am simply saying that this is not the best way to do it. You can't imagine being someone who would NOT behave as you would in a similiar circumstance and I think that that is part of the problem here. I wonder how I would act sometimes. If I thought the police were interested in me as a formality, to clear my name so to speak - fine, but if it looked like something beyond that then I'm not sure what I would do. I do not trust the police, too many innocent people get harrassed, arrested, convicted, etc.; if I was wealthy I think the lawyers would have to handle it for me. And if i had lost all confidence in teh police to find my daughter's killer then I would have to turn elsewhere. And if the general population was against me - hmmm, I don't know how I would deal with that. I would probably rely on professionals for advise and hope that I had hired the right people. While acknowledging that I would have to submit to a certain degree of investigation, etc. if it became clear that no one was interested in finding the one responsible for my loved one's murder but that they would rather come after me, I think that I would become quite angry and paranoid. Where could I place my trust if the very people who are supposed to help me are after me. Anyway, enough of that. I am still here, only lurking mostly. Taking time out to read here and elsewhere (am also more than 1/2 way through the ST book and a 1/4 way throught PMPT. Have caught up on most stuff available on the web. Just learning, learning, learning... Still very much doubt Ramseys invovlement, but, am keeping an open mind. I have no personal interest in this either way, but, would like to be able to figure out who did it. Even if it was a Ramsey. --excuse any sp. errors etc, [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Questions for the Ramseys" Posted by lee2 on 00:22:41 5/08/2000 1) What handle(s) do you post under on the Justice Watch board? 2) If you could write one haiku convincing the world of your innocence - what would it be? 3) Have you ever sat in Alex Hunter's hot tub? 4) Do you shop at Whole Foods Market*? *in my area they are the only grocer that doesn't carry the tabloids [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "And one more question" Posted by lee2 on 00:28:08 5/08/2000 Have you - or has your "investigative" team ever consulted a reputable psychic about the murder of your daughter - and if so, what kind of answers/comments did that person have about the situation? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "This question is influenced by the poster" Posted by lee2 on 00:37:27 5/08/2000 known as AutumnBorn: Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey . . . would you submit to separate sessions under the influence of Sodium Penathol in the hopes that it may reveal something that one or the other of you may have forgotten about that night - i.e. a sound you may have heard in your sleep, etc. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Hi Greality!" Posted by GuyGene on 02:58:36 5/08/2000 Hi Greality! How are things in my old hometown? I spent 15 very interesting years in Greeley, but I finally made my escape in 1987. Glad to know it's still referred to as Greality. Some things never change. One question for John: Why were you calling your pilot RIGHT AFTER you had found your daughter's body? Why were you planning to fly your family to Atlanta that very evening? What was the "important business" that you said you had to attend to? What could POSSIBLY be more important than the fact that your daughter had just been brutally murdered and was lying dead on the floor? Is this your idea of cooperating with the authorities? Well, okay, 5 questions. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "..a child of six..a child of goodness" Posted by Nikki on 06:08:13 5/08/2000 ..Why? .. at six, did you make her carry all your burdens? ..why, did you take her away to a place she did not want to go? .. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "I'd ask JR --" Posted by Holly on 06:12:24 5/08/2000 How long have you REALLY known Fleet and Priscilla White? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "I'd ask the Ramsey's" Posted by WitchyWoman on 09:16:15 5/08/2000 I've heard you state you had to follow the instructions of the ransom note (chapter) to the letter, but instead you did the following: 1. Dialed 911 instead of either the FBI or another # for the police that would not bring a dozen marked cars to the home. 2. Called friends to console you in 'your' time of need even though the ramsom note said if caught talking to a stray dog your child would be beheaded. 3. Called JonBenet's Dr. to give you a prescription instead of your Dr. This Dr. is the one that said JonBenet was not sexually abused. Do you not realize the mere fact you called him to come as both your friend and medicator makes anything he testifies to suspect? Your good friend obviously would lie to protect you. Do you really believe anyone would believe the following: 4. Didn't pick up the ransom note so you wouldn't leave finger prints on it, but you had no problem picking up your daughter, ripping tape off her mouth, hugging her dead body, putting a cover over her, etc. You are liars, but not very good ones because you can't keep your lies straight. 5. Wanted to leave your childs body to go to Atlanta the very night she was found? Then had the audacity to say the police held your child for ransom. Obviously you didn't care to find out who the murderer was because you of course already knew! 6. Made a production of the memorial service held in Denver. PR you are NOT anything like Jackie Kennedy and trying to imitate her when the she lost her husband, President of our Country, just makes you look the fool you obviously are. I just wish you two would admit what you have done so your little girl could have some peace in her death. You can pretend to be a Christian everyday for the rest of your life, that won't make it true. You sexualized your daughter, good Christians would not do that and it is my belief you are responsible for her death. Yes Patsy, God DOES KNOW WHO YOU ARE and if you don't receive justice here you will for all eternity. God forgives yes, but in order to be forgiven there are certain things we have to do to recieve His forgiveness. Think about that when you are indulging yourselves in "getting on with your life". WW [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "sorry, docg" Posted by lecarl on 09:27:54 5/08/2000 but as you know, by the time we actually got to see the ransom note we'd already seen plenty of copies of PR's writing. What surprised ME was that she hadn't seemed to try very hard to disguise her writing. I also wonder why some expert isn't willing to say ABSOLUTELY that she wrote it. The only thing I can think of is it must be something like hair & fiber, they can only say it "is consistent with," which actually means it matches. Now that I know more about the people, (PR, esp,) I can see that she didn't have enough time to do all she had to do that night--if she'd had enough time, she'd have made sure to disguise her writing even more than she did. Unfortunatly, she was limited by time, which is one more thing that tells me JR didn't know anything about it until later--how much later I haven't determined yet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Holly, ask Priscilla" Posted by Rascal on 10:20:29 5/08/2000 Priscilla said early on "two years" , Holly that is winter of 1994. It is Christmas 94, was it Fleet walking around with children singing? >How long have you REALLY known Fleet >and Priscilla White? Holly be careful what you ask for, and don't bring strangers into your house, especially if you have children, no matter what song they are singing, Mame. "A very selfish thing to do." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "OK, Rascal --" Posted by Holly on 04:59:12 5/09/2000 Let's get back to the part about Fleet walking around with carolers and Priscilla saying 2 years, taking us back to Christmas 1994. Maybe CO is different than my neck of the woods, but we don't have carolers, and it seems that caroling would occur before Christmas anyway. I've heard Fleet's speaking voice --so I'll bet he couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. You must have a line to Pris --I'm not aware that she's talked much at all. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "FW/PW" Posted by Starling on 06:55:08 5/09/2000 I know this is a thread for Ramsey questions, but I was just reading the Whites letter to university officials, regarding Mike Tracey's documentary. They thoroughly explain their platform well; what may or may not have started out as a documentary of unfair media coverage, escalated to a one sided free for all regarding John & Patsy's innoncence, and then a bombardment of character witnesses, the Stine connection with the same university was pointed out, as well as, the fact that Susan Stine told people that FW/PW should be considered suspects in the murder and they pointed out correctly that anything negative that the Ramsey's may have put forth was later ommitted from subsequent airings of said show, and finally they point out how this entire show was set in motion and aired before a Grand Jury could look at the case. They essentially prooved with their quotes Mike Tracey speaks out of both sides of his mouth. None of us are dumb enough to not realize what Tracey set out to do, even the little heads knew what was going down. But I'm curious as to why the Whites and the Ramsey's both did not jump all over MW's story. At the end of the Whites letter to the university they said: "Please be assured that we will not remain silent in this matter. We have enormous incentive to prevent Mr. Tracey or anyone else from improperly influencing the investigation of JonBenet's murder. We will certainly not tolerate people who unjustly impugn or defame our family." As far as the Whites go - a simple public statement stating something about any accusation leveled towards anyone in their family could have went a long way around here. As far as the Ramsey's go - you would think they would be all over this woman and her story beating down the door of the BPD demanding some answers which could have went a long way around here. Simply put, both families have failed "around here" in my eyes regarding her. And adding to the confusion is the obvious rift between the two families. John Ramsey is going around telling the world that Fleet White pushed them into the CNN interview - but Fleet White is writing letters that totally contradict John Ramsey: "There was no mention of the Ramsey's overt and media-savvy public relations maneuvers that included their appearance on CNN the day after JonBenet's funeral in Atlanta and also the use of memorial services at churches in Boulder and Atlanta as staged media events." I would like to see some real answers in this area. Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Holly,read, study, and learn." Posted by Rascal on 11:42:21 5/09/2000 And ignorance will be less likely to lead one to a false conclusion, or then will allow one at the least, too keep a open mind. For, it is unlawful to think it as so, a judgement, as well as too break the law, it is the law, no judgement. Carelessness leads to becoming a false witness, a personal state of corruption! No authoriaty to judge! Pray-Fast-Look... Priscella's vanity: WHEN: 11-30-96 WHERE: The Brown Palace, Denver Hotel, Birthday party. WHY? WHO? People connections. Party quest list. The gift shop. The company, the corporation. The workers. The history. Older husband Fleet White Jr.: Real estate? The Ramsey Georgia marriage license date? Watch out! Priscella bites. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "My first question" Posted by Ryder on 10:39:54 5/08/2000 We know that you insist that you had nothing to do with your daughter's death and that you have stated on numerous occasions that your first priority is finding your daughter's killer. Even if the police saw you as the prime suspect, which you claim you did not deserve to be, if nothing else, you were still key witnesses to this crime, since you were in the house when this occurred. Could you tell us how, as key witnesses, you viewed your refusal to undergo any formal police interrogation for 4 months as co-operation to a succesful investigation into your daughter's death? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Pavement," Posted by AutumnBorn on 11:27:43 5/08/2000 of course I missed you! Come on, this is a discussion forum. Despite our early differences, I welcome views from the "other side" (when they aren't a flame - not that you would ever do that). I'm happy to hear that you're keeping an open mind as you're reading. There are now, what? eight books out on this murder? Even Ted Bundy only got four devoted to him! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "One Question only..." Posted by zoomama on 11:13:07 5/08/2000 First I'd set the scene back in time and ask PR and JR to close their eyes and imagine it to be the Day after Christmas 3 years ago...Now this is what I'd like to ask them...With the discovery of your daughter's body in the house why didn't you first and foremost co-operate fully and I mean fully with the police. Get the FBI involved and offer right then and there to take polygraphs, have Burke questioned and fergoodnessakes act like grieving parents of a murdered child. Act indignant and forceful about asking for help from the police and FBI and anyone else in law enforcement that could help you discover "WHO" did this terrible thing. Huh, huh. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:43:45 5/08/2000 I want to know WHY you two clowns went on CNN the day after the funeral? Who's brainchild was that? JR mentioned PR being carried on a stretcher, but who forced you to go down to the station and talk to Brian Cabel in the first place? I can't help wonder what purpose that was suppose to serve. It was something famous people might do, like Puff Daddy or Michael Jackson, but who were they? I was surprised too, that the very first pics of JB were the glam shots and "Cowboy Sweetheart" video clip. It wasn't until all the hubbub over them, that they were replaced with JB's school photo. By then, the damage was done. JB's hair was scrutinized, and the color of her eyes examined. And the games began. In a nutshell, John and Patsy, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Puff Daddy?" Posted by vic on 12:04:11 5/08/2000 That is so funny! They wish they were famous like Puff Daddy! Yeah, what were they thinking? Hurry, spin control before anyone finds out the truth? Quick! Look innocent! I'd ask them why they wrote their stupid book, it sure doesn't say a lot about their poor little murdered daughter. And it's clearly not about 'finding a killer'. Speaking of the POS, I got it for my birthday. I would be happy to send it to anyone who hasn't read it yet, I'll even pay postage. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "If John is Puff Daddy" Posted by lee2 on 12:09:43 5/08/2000 Then the next logical step would be for Patsy to be Jennifer Lopez. Then, the next leap - not that far - would be to picture Patsy in that 1/2 dress from the Emmys. Wow - talk about tape . . . can you say double-sided duct tape? But I can't talk - I couldn't wear that dress either . . . I'm just following a stream of consciousness thought trail here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Just like I'd ask OJ," Posted by gaiabetsy on 12:15:02 5/08/2000 how do you live with yourself knowing what you know about the circumstances surrounding your daughter's brutal murder? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Questions for the polygraph-can't do just one" Posted by mother on 19:43:13 5/08/2000 1. Patsy, did you go to bed the night of Dec. 25, 1996? If so, what time? 2. What time did Burke go to bed? 3. Did Burke fight with JonBenet Christmas evening? 4. Was Burke responsible for JonBenet's injuries on 12-25-96? 5. Were you aware of prior sexual exploration between JonBenet and Burke? Between JonBenet and her playmates? 6. Who was the first Jameson? (just had to throw that one in) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "I would ask" Posted by starry on 20:34:48 5/08/2000 them, "When did their sole mission for the rest of their lives become sueing on Burke's behalf?" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "OK, John & Patsy:" Posted by johnlin on 20:20:47 5/08/2000 Enough of the B.S. Enough of the 3 1/2 years of lies. Enough desecration of the memory of your little girl... Just WHAT DID YOU DO TO HER on Christmas Night, 1996? Just HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELVES? Have your HEARTS and SOULS BECOME COMPLETELY BLACK, like the blackness of the little grave? JonBenet is in a different place now; YES, YOU SAW TO THAT. A place where she is finally safe... You GUYS AREN'T GOING THERE, PAL. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "POS" Posted by starry on 20:32:54 5/08/2000 vic, if you'll be so kind as to e-mail me, I'd love to read the POS, but refuse to spend a dime on it. Thanks....... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL starry ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "Good one, Starry " Posted by Cassandra on 07:06:37 5/09/2000 About their sole purpose in life! LOL Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "starry" Posted by vic on 08:55:42 5/09/2000 I tried to e-mail you but nothing comes up. I'll add mine and you can try it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL vic ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "Detective Arndt" Posted by tweety on 12:36:25 5/09/2000 Have you had detective Linda Arndt investigated? What if.....Linda Arndt isn't really a woman "biologically" (foreign faction=transexual)? What if.....he/she felt as if things would run alot better if things in the department were done his/her way? What if....he/she felt as if he/she was not being heard (with all of his/her sex crimes education and experience....why won't they listen)? What if....he/she felt as if the only way to get the point across to those in authority would be a high profile sex crime near a holiday thats investigation totally goes awry, as he/she suspects/plans it would? What if....he/she had a point to prove to the law enforcement community, and was desperate enough to commit a crime to that end? What if....he/she felt as if a glass ceiling had prevented him/her from showcasing his/her skills and knowledge of law enforcement tactics and countermeasures. What if....he/she felt that his/her department needed scrutiny, and wasn't getting it. What if....he/she felt that "fatcats" were getting special treatment from the department. What if....he/she hates men in authority? What if....he/she hates women who objectify themselves or their daughters? He/She may be unstable and could have committed a crime to furthur his/her career, or be a disgruntled minority law enforcement person whom has a point to prove to co-workers/superiors, about "crime" and "crime-solving". A Man hater, or a transexual with a badge,sex crimes knowledge,Boulder connections, and political knowledge. Just "One Question".....HAVE YOU? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]