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Of Church Planters and Life Coaches, janphi, 06:03:12, 5/10/2001 (cont), janphi, 06:04:48, 5/10/2001, (#1) (cont), janphi, 06:08:33, 5/10/2001, (#2) (cont), janphi, 06:09:50, 5/10/2001, (#3) (cont), janphi, 06:11:07, 5/10/2001, (#4) (cont), janphi, 06:13:08, 5/10/2001, (#5) Their Form Letter to Atty Gen Salazar, janphi, 06:15:18, 5/10/2001, (#6) Letter (cont), janphi, 06:19:07, 5/10/2001, (#7) Janphi, Cassandra, 06:59:48, 5/10/2001, (#8) JanPhi!, MrsBrady, 07:12:24, 5/10/2001, (#9) hope the Ramsom people see that..., mary99, 08:09:05, 5/10/2001, (#10) JIITO, JR, 09:07:32, 5/10/2001, (#12) Thanks, you all, janphi, 09:06:57, 5/10/2001, (#11) janpji, Jellyjaws, 09:39:08, 5/10/2001, (#13) This is interesting, MrsBrady, 10:16:59, 5/10/2001, (#14) Maybe, janphi, 10:35:00, 5/10/2001, (#16) Well, the, Holly, 10:23:19, 5/10/2001, (#15) Tri-Snap!, Ayeka, 11:48:57, 5/10/2001, (#17) ................................................................... "Of Church Planters and Life Coaches" Posted by janphi on 06:03:12 5/10/2001 My initial comments on the statements of the Friends for JonBenet website: Making Sure This Never Happens Again... >>>>>They want you to think this means JonBenet's--or any child's--murder. Guess again. This is about the "persecution" of the Ramseys. When JonBenet Patricia Ramsey was murdered on Christmas night, 1996, the world lost a beautiful child who could have made a difference. >>>>>This is the only true statement in the monograph. What followed that act of evil was a tragedy that was witnessed by all the world and became a rallying cry of change. >>>>>I have another large post to answer this one a little later. (more to come) [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "(cont)" Posted by janphi on 06:04:48 5/10/2001 Change in how children are protected in our societies... >>>>>Will they require that all children must live in homes that have active and daily activated alarm systems? That they must live with parents who are bonded to them in such a way that they will hear their own children's psychic and physical cries for help? ...change in how our justice system is intermingled with our entertainment industry... >>>>>Somebody has too much time on their hands. Why are they playing the "media card" in their quest for exoneration, if they believe that the media industry shouldn't be entwined with the justice system? Why are they attempting to manipulate through the use of "prayer requests" for just such a thing? Reprehensible. ...change in how the American justice system presumes guilt rather than presumes innocence ... >>>>>The American justice system DOESN'T presume guilt and I resent the fact that this "group" is implying this. Perpetrators of crimes must be apprehended. The only way to do this is through investigation, which requires inquiry into suspicious behavior. If all people are to be presumed innocent by all investigators, then there is no crime, correct? Thus, ANYONE at ANY TIME can do ANYTHING they want to, including heinous criminal acts, and not ever worry about apprehension or conviction or punishment for harming other human beings. Well, OK. Advocating lawlessness is not what I envision the Lord wanting for our society, but if the "group" sees it that way, let them go about their pronouncements and hope they never have to call the authorities for any "non-crimes" committed against them. ...the prevalence of a rush to judgment at any cost. >>>>>Should've proofread. Tacked-on clause is dangling and makes no sense. How dare any cops ever arrest any perps? How dare they? What a rush to judgment! All love her and see a desperate need for change, for her sake. >>>>>Well, I believe they got "change" when they moved back to Atlanta from Boulder, didn't they? What happened to JonBenet and what followed should never be allowed to happen again. >>>>>You're right. The people who killed her should be put in prison and stopped from continuing to lie about their guilt, through puppets and minions who distort the facts and truth and laugh in the faces of the very media people and general public they have manipulated "for their cause" into giving them a free platform. Yes, I hope the Ramseys don't kill anyone else. This organization is about taking action based on a worldwide outrage ... >>>>>Ha ha ha ha, worldwide outrage. Guess who the outrage is directed towards. What kind of delusions of grandeur is the writer entertaining? ...being assertive to make a difference for JonBenet and all the children who still live. >>>>>By making certain that more crimes in the home don't happen to children of wealthy parents who can buy their way out of a murder rap? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "(cont)" Posted by janphi on 06:08:33 5/10/2001 Friends of JonBenet, by their actions, will advocate the protection of children at all opportunities, ... >>>>>You mean by locking up guns in the home and locking all the doors at night and activating the alarm systems in the home, or some OTHER types of protection? including legislation, public awareness, and pressure of the bureaucrats. >>>>>Oh, I see. Legislation. Laws that make parents responsible for their children--I believe those to be already on the books. Public awareness? Why not start with your star media attractions, the Ramseys, maybe setting examples for other parents to follow? That's too much to ask, isn't it? Let's see, "pressure of the bureaucrats", what does that mean? People who work for the government should tell others they know that the others should take care of their children better? That's kind of silly. If your intent was to state "pressure ON the bureaucrats," wouldn't that start with cooperating with authorities when a crime has been committed? Or does it mean sending notes and flowers to the DA and having tea, to try to butter him up to think you're not guilty? Whew, that's some pressure. The first call for action is the Nehemiah Project to achieve the following: >>>>>Uh, the Nehemiah Project is a church planting program, conducted through seven Southern Baptist seminaries, three of whom have been named SBTC at one time or another (Southwest Baptist Theological College/Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary; Southern Baptist Theological College; and Southeastern Baptist Theological College; all now called "Seminary" instead of "College.") Is this some kind of really, really, really sick joke? Is the Southern Baptist Convention aware that you are using a dead child and her self-pitying parents to pretend to glorify the Word of God to public audiences? As much as they love evangelizing and proselytizing, there ARE some good people there who might not think this is so wise! 1. Make the murder of a child a national capital offense. .. Today in America and many societies, it is not. >>>>>I believe John Ramsey contributed this concept to you, did he not? First America, then the world. We won't stop with one little nation, we want all of them. Megalomania runs Rampant! Oh the grandiosity of it all. John's looking for work, huh? Needs a project to direct that will last him a while. Director of the never-ending project to conquer the world with the message that "the Ramseys are modern-day martyrs." ...In America, by our laws, we have demonstrated that we care more about our money than we do about our children. ... >>>>>Yeah, I've seen a lot of bank robbers get the death penalty. I don't believe this statement is about "laws" at all. It is a statement of the Ramseys' philsophy at the time of JonBenet's death. Robbing a bank in America is a federal offense. Murdering a child is not. >>>>>That's because a bank is insured by the FDIC, an entity paid for by all people, thus in the best interest of the public--it's their money. Nope, haven't known of any children that are insured by the FDIC--was JonBenet? How negligent! I don't believe that when you chose to have your child, Mr. Ramsey, that the federal government promised you they would put an armed guard by her bedside and provide a 24-hour bodyguard to protect her night and day. Just another one of your delusions. That your interests are more important than any other person's on this planet. Civilized societies should value and protect their children above all else ... >>>>>So should civilized parents. ..and should be known as a country that loves its children >>>>>Once again, proofreading would have helped you see that "civilized societies" can't be "known as a country." Emotions getting in the way here? This is right. >>>>>What is? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "(cont)" Posted by janphi on 06:09:50 5/10/2001 America should come down with it's full might on someone who murders one of it's children. >>>>>What in the world makes you think they don't? Oftentimes, the perpetrators are caught because the parents gave the authorities the information needed to make an arrest. Quite a concept, huh? (Won't mention the proofreading this time.) The evil in our society should know that if you harm one of our children, we will respond with all the resources of the most powerful nation on earth. >>>>>Unless you're the parents, of course. All parents are above suspicion. So, now the "Nehemiah Project" or is it the "Friends for JonBenet" (which implies she doesn't have any, and needs some--ick) has contracted with John's wished-for Russian Army? That's great! Kind of expensive, though, isn't it? If we can accomplish this, then JonBenet will have made a difference. >>>>>I guess you're not aware that by her very existence on this earth for 6+ years, Jon Benet DID make a difference? What a despicable, denigrating statement to make! Say what you really mean. You want John & Patsy to get more publicity. They seem to think it is "love." 2. Establish Federal legislation to prohibit police and prosecutors from biasing the justice system by anonymously providing innuendos about an on-going investigation to the news media. >>>>>This is the single most ridiculous statement in the whole "declaration." To begin with, police and prosecutors ARE most of the justice system. How can they "bias" a system that charges them with building cases to convict criminals? Secondly, it is ALREADY a standard practice for those authorities to keep details of an investigation to themselves--WHAT POSSIBLE GOOD does it serve to let the bad guys know you're coming after them? Advance notice to destroy evidence? I can see how that would appeal to someone on the Ramseys' side. So, this church-planting group is going to lobby Congress to stifle the freedom of speech accorded to public officials--who, I might add, have long self-censored themselves in this area and established their own code to protect their investigations--so that Congress will pass LAWS to tell these people not to talk to the media? Have you run this past little Leah Henry in Houston, TX, who was rescued from her abductor minutes before he became homicidal? Wanna know how the sheriff's deputy rescued her? TV stations! That's right, TV stations broadcasting the details of several child abductions in a large region! Horrors! Someone in Louisiana was abducted, the TV station broadcast it. Someone in Houston, TX, saw it and knew what to do when a man tried an abduction in this person's own area. Took down the license plate and called the cops. Cops told the TV station what the car description was and where they were looking. TV stations over a wide area broadcast it. Someone in Kerrville, TX, saw it on TV and thought it might be the guy on the next property. They called the sheriff. It was. The rest is a happy ending--unless, of course, you think that poor innocent abductor committed suicide because of the media hounding him. You, this church-planting group that has been conned by the Ramseys, would have had the TV people arrested, tried and convicted for doing this? That's INSANE!! And I'm certain your Congressmen will tell you the same. Since you're wanting authorities not to talk to media "anonymously" (oops, KPRC-TV didn't tell us the police spokesperson's name who passed along the license number), I see it is ONLY the "media" to whom they mustn't. It is perfectly acceptable to you, the church-planting group, for the authorities to talk behind closed doors ("anonymously" to the public) about case details and evidence with the suspects and those under the umbrella of suspicion, huh? That's right--I forgot, there are no crimes and there are no criminals. This is the most Ramsey self-serving crap I've heard yet! We need to stop intermingling our justice system and the media entertainment industry. >>>>>OK, start by shutting up then. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "(cont)" Posted by janphi on 06:11:07 5/10/2001 Most civilized countries have such laws. America does not and has created a lawless system of justice played out on prime time television totally independent of the Constitution. >>>>>Could you name the countries for us, please? Are these countries where you have planted churches? Is that what makes them "civilized" to you? Is this where you will be sending the Ramseys as missionaries? That's probably good, there's still one more child under their roof. They need a country where the "entertainment industry" won't book them on TV to lie about the circumstances of yet another Ramsey child's death. Let it be a secret. Sure, in France and Belgium, people like Dutroux get away with it, and the media doesn't know until 200,000 people protest. Yes, that's the civilized way. Or maybe it's more civlized in The Netherlands, where child pornography isn't frowned upon. Don't know the laws of Spain, but I'm certain they are liberal if John Ramsey wanted to do business there. Yes, I'm certain they NEVER put crimes on TV. No one even knows they happen! Oh, that's right. They don't. There are no crimes and no criminals. Great Britain was John's previous reference as to "separation of justice and media." Ha ha ha. Do they need Southern Baptist churches planted there? Oh well, I'll stay here in lawless America and hope they don't tell me about poor, poor Timothy McVeigh's horrible plight at the hands of the lynch-mob TV people. Hope they don't mention it. No crimes, no criminals. By the way, who was it that sentenced poor Tim to death? KOCO-TV or KWTV-TV or KFOR-TV? Can't remember which of my station manager friends actually sat on the bench or instructed the jury. Guess I should call them and find out. We just can't have that happening! By the way, you and the Ramseys are the ones who are trampling on the Constitution. Oops, I didn't see "prime time" in there. Well, they did get booked onto Barbara Walters and Larry King Live, and I think Diane Sawyer's interviews were at night and oh, didn't Smit just get an hour special at 9PM? Then there was the "documentary" on how martyred the Ramseys are. That was at night, too. What, you wanted more? $1 billion+ wasn't enough for you to get the lily-livered monster perp to come out of hiding and confess? Wonder why. John wouldn't even pay $3000 to someone who might've taken the rap for him! Still searching for just the right scapegoat, eh? Anyhoo, I take it your church-planting group likes the Constitution, but doesn't believe in the Amendments, right? Innocent people are convicted by the media justice system without ever being charged by the constitutional justice system. >>>>>I don't see any Ramseys going to jail. They take vacations, buy large homes, remodel them, dine with "friends," pay life coaches. They're free as birds to "get on with their lives." It appears they have, so what's it to YOU? They're laughing all the way to the bank--the bank where they put their book advances and proceeds, not to be confused with the bank where the JonBenet Ramsey Foundation funds are held, or the bank where Burke's litigation settlement funds are held, or the bank where the Beth Ramsey scholarship trust funds are held. Shall I go on? The Caymans or the Guernsey Channel Islands, maybe? This is wrong. >>>>>Yes, it is. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "(cont)" Posted by janphi on 06:36:40 5/10/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 06:36:40, 5/10/2001 3. Establish and Adequately Fund at the federal level a DNA databank of convicted perpetrators of crimes against children. >>>>>You, the Southern Baptist church-planting group, intend to do this? Ha ha ha. You're not aware that law enforcement has been working towards this goal for over a decade? I see, you're going to take credit for all their striving? Despicable. Hell, the Ramseys would use a DNA databank like a dating service, anyway. Can we look through that book over there, please? There he is--that's one--that's the killer. I'd know that foreign strand anywhere. Have the Ramseys contributed their donations yet? I don't mean dollars. Convicted felons of crimes against children should be tracked with the most sophisticated resources available to this country. >>>>>But don't let the media in on it, whatever you do. DNA is a powerful and accurate 21st century fingerprint that, properly used, can quickly pinpoint the perpetrator of a violent crime. >>>>>Yes, it can. It can also be planted. Just like churches. Often these criminals are repeat offenders. >>>>>Gratuitous generalization peppered among the others. Strictly to say the Rams had never gotten caught at this before, therefore only a "repeat offender" could've done this. Child pedophilia is not a curable condition and pedophiles, given the opportunity, will prey on children throughout their lives. >>>>>Not sure how this pertains to JonBenet's death. Parents said she wasn't molested. Isn't that what pedophiles do? Yes, they should all be locked up, with the keys thrown away. I can think of one who must be desperate for treatment if he is supporting this. Foreign DNA is a significant clue in JonBenet's murder and will help convict her murderer. >>>>>Experts say it isn't. Suspicious-acting parents are the ones emphasizing it. Are you church-planters aware of the fact that many people who are guilty of crimes (yes, there are such things) often lie to protect their freedom? Check it out some time. Besides, I thought this was some grandiose plan for all the children everywhere, why does it keep coming back to the Ramseys? Today, without such a national databank, we are severely hampered from capturing this dangerous killer of children. This is wrong. >>>>>Even WITH such a databank as the one in TX, we are severely hampered. We have a backlog of over 40,000 sex offenders whose DNA has been taken, but hasn't been registered yet. Any of you church planters want to volunteer to go down and help do the computer data entry on that? What? I didn't think so. By the way, murderers are murderers, pedophiles and molesters are pedophiles and molesters. Like it or not, until a pedophile or molester murders someone, they are not yet murderers. If they go straight to killing without any pedophile convictions, then you could say that a certain pedophile who is also a murderer is a murdering pedophile. Otherwise, you can't. My last comments--why are you "anonymously" publicizing this? And why are you soliciting prayer requests from people who are asking for the very thing you say your group strongly protests? Why not go plant a church instead of using these media-hungry parents and their dead child to advance your own goals? Who is coaching whom? -------- (Y'all jump in anywhere you want. I just can't stand seeing this arrogant stuff being eaten up by posters at another forum. Sorry for the length.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Their Form Letter to Atty Gen Salazar" Posted by janphi on 06:15:18 5/10/2001 Now the "suggested" letter to Attorney General Salazar from "Friends for Jon Benet": The recent broadcasts by NBC of the theories of two experienced homicide detectives, Lou Smit and Steve Ainsworth, combined with the presentation of the compelling physical evidence supporting the innocence of John and Patsy Ramsey and pointing toward an intruder as the killer of JonBenét, demand immediate action to remove the Boulder Police Department from this case and have the murder investigated by experienced, unbiased homicide investigators. >>>>>Yes, by all means base your investigation on a TV show, edited by a little 25-year-old apprentice under the watchful eye of an anonymous media executive. The incompetence of the Boulder Police Department and its failure to apprehend the murderer through a professional investigation has resulted in 4 1/2 years of injustice to the Ramsey family. >>>>>Taunting, taunting, always gets your message across. Because the Ramseys won't tell the truth about JonBenet's final hours, you must conclude that the police just don't know how to interrogate! (Might watch your grammar there, too--compound subjects require plural verb forms.) It is time for an independent investigation to commence without further delay. >>>>>Because I say so! Or, the church planters say so, and I, the writer, just copied it. A child killer is at large and it is probable that this twisted mind has molested and harmed other innocent children since 1996 and will continue to do so until identified and captured. >>>>>Well, OK, Ramseys do have passports and do travel, so that is "at large," I suppose. Amazing what a "mind" can do, isn't it? Most molestation and harm are done by "bodies." Not sure that "thoughts" are actionable, are they? Since it's probable that the killer(s) have done despicable acts again without getting caught, shouldn't someone keep an eye on the Ramseys more closely? Where's a good telephoto lens when you need one? Uh, can the church planters name any of these victims of JBR's perp? Did all these unreported crimes and uncaptured perps grow a brain or have good Southern common sense? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Letter (cont)" Posted by janphi on 06:19:07 5/10/2001 Given the lack of experience of the Boulder Police Department, ... >>>>>>Yes, the people of the City of Boulder MUST create more homicides, so the police can get some experience! Do it now, without further delay! ... its obvious bias and its inverted approach to the investigation, ... >>>>>Racial profiling in Boulder consists of running a Dun & Bradstreet on the suspect and deciding if he contributes more to the local economy in or out of jail. Inverted approach--why, all cops MUST start in Newfoundland and work their way BACK to the inner circle. All parents, who couldn't possibly do this crime, MUST be the LAST to be investigated--ESPECIALLY if they were in the house and slept through their child's screams. ... fundamental fairness and Constitutional principles will be continue to be violated if the Boulder Police Department remains in charge of and involved with this investigation. >>>>>And for some unknown reason, it is very important to this church planting group of which this writer is an adherent (though admittedly not a proofreader of any sort) that several hundred people they've never met and don't know, and whose integrity they are questioning and impugning, should be censured for doing their jobs in a manner not pleasing to the group. Nope, it's just not fair for suspicious-acting people to be suspected of a crime. It hurts the Ramseys' feelings. Only crimes that are videotaped can be investigated and/or prosecuted, although prosecution is still a maybe. They have a Constitutional right to lie all they want to and you MUST believe them. It is also time for the unjust treatment of the Ramsey family to stop. >>>>>Yes, BPD, stop ignoring them all those thousands of miles away! That's just mean! Stop it, we, the church planters, say. Stop it now! They have been deprived of a proper investigation into the death of their daughter as well as valuable legal rights to due process and equal protection. >>>>>Deprived? An entire police force, millions of a city's dollars--a city which they hated and turned their backs on--an alleged "force" of "blue-ribbon" private investigators, more media attention than any ever given to any crime, and it's not enough? Yes, due process is "due," all right. Arrest both of them. You have the legal authority to transfer this case to another investigative agency. Several options exist, among them, the Boulder Sheriff's Department or a blue-ribbon panel of recognized and respected homicide expert investigators. For the following reasons I urge you to act quickly and decisively: >>>>>Yes, it has taken the Ramseys several years of shopping to finally get the Sheriff's Dept in their pockets, so now it's time to demand the transfer. Otherwise, hire the people the Ramseys have already paid. ˇ Justice must prevail ˇ Injustice must cease ˇ Innocent people must be exonerated ˇ The guilty party must be identified, indicted and convicted ˇ Other children must be protected >>>>>>Now you understand, this is not for the bourgeois "everyone." This is just supposed to apply to Ramseys, no one else. All resources in the United States--and all civilized societies, of which the US is not one--must be turned over to the Ramseys to do as they please and find someone to blame and execute for this, the death of a child they chose not to protect in life. Thank you for acting honorably in this matter. >>>>>>Too bad the church planters can't. Oppressive, killer-coddling, jackbooted control-freak thugs! ---------- [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Janphi" Posted by Cassandra on 06:59:48 5/10/2001 Thanks for posting this. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "JanPhi!" Posted by MrsBrady on 07:12:24 5/10/2001 I think I love you! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "hope the Ramsom people see that..." Posted by mary99 on 08:09:05 5/10/2001 Good job, Janphi! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "JIITO" Posted by JR on 09:07:32 5/10/2001 Hey - gotta address all the recent remarks about that non-profit org set up to protect children everywhere someway. OBTW - that Charity, you know the one, the Ramsey's set it up, Patsy was "running it" - funny thing about it is that it no longer appears on their Ramsey Site - you know the one, it has a bad "contact" phone number - unless I just missed it someway. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Thanks, you all" Posted by janphi on 09:06:57 5/10/2001 'Preciate it. They just get me so riled up! I've gone off on a tangent on another part of their "manifesto" and now I'm too sick of it to get it finished and post it. Damn, I wish *I* had some minions! Where does one get them? Oh well. They're not worth it. Have a good day! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "janpji" Posted by Jellyjaws on 09:40:59 5/10/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:40:59, 5/10/2001 What a great brain and the ability to articulate ideas, too. Best I could muster was, "What a crock!" You said so much better. Boy, are we lucky you are here. Edited: can't think, can't type, misspelled your name. Sorry. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "This is interesting" Posted by MrsBrady on 10:16:59 5/10/2001 Suzanne is no longer the "Interim Director of Women's Ministries" at The Church of the Apostles...wonder why? http://www.apostles.org/html/leadership.html [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Maybe" Posted by janphi on 10:35:00 5/10/2001 a big retainer with a private coaching client? Webmistress for the Church Planters? Southern Baptist in disguise while Anglican? (How does one do that?) According to the Nehemiah Project website, the interns must go through all sorts of levels of training--but every one starts out with the: Student Basic Training Course! Honest! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Well, the" Posted by Holly on 10:23:19 5/10/2001 more they talk - the stupider they sound. Plus, they need a proof reader. Good job, J. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Tri-Snap!" Posted by Ayeka on 11:48:57 5/10/2001 Oh, you quick-witted thang you! I'm with Mrs. Brady! Tore that manifesto apart limb from limb, you did! Bowing before greatness, Ayeka :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]