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Ramsey detective feared for her life , JR, 13:13:10, 5/13/2001 Thanks JR, v_p, 14:54:00, 5/13/2001, (#1) Hmmm, Tricia, 16:38:50, 5/13/2001, (#2) I think Linda Arndt's, Watching you, 17:30:20, 5/13/2001, (#3) WY, watchin', 17:49:07, 5/13/2001, (#4) I agree w y, Rebecca, 18:01:20, 5/13/2001, (#5) Thanks JR, Starling, 19:13:14, 5/13/2001, (#6) WSB in Atlanta, South, 19:46:21, 5/13/2001, (#7) Friend of John's , Mee Too, 23:14:24, 5/13/2001, (#8) Chris, watchin', 23:26:58, 5/13/2001, (#9) Watchin (and Chris), JR, 23:40:04, 5/13/2001, (#10) Thanks JR, watchin', 23:56:42, 5/13/2001, (#12) Baloney....????, Mee Too, 23:55:03, 5/13/2001, (#11) MeToo, watchin', 00:01:15, 5/14/2001, (#13) Watchin......, Mee Too, 00:24:59, 5/14/2001, (#15) I stand corrected JR!, watchin', 00:13:52, 5/14/2001, (#14) Bout Linda Arndt, Mandarin, 00:49:26, 5/14/2001, (#16) Mandarin, ayelean, 09:03:14, 5/14/2001, (#28) Watchin and Mee Too, JR, 01:22:37, 5/14/2001, (#17) JR......, Mee Too, 01:36:13, 5/14/2001, (#18) Mee Too, JR, 02:35:32, 5/14/2001, (#19) Watchin, Watching you, 06:14:30, 5/14/2001, (#20) mornin WY, v_p, 06:23:40, 5/14/2001, (#21) Hi v_p, Watching you, 06:43:42, 5/14/2001, (#22) South, Grace, 06:52:02, 5/14/2001, (#23) I thought the other forum, Holly, 07:05:08, 5/14/2001, (#24) Trying to rabble rouse, Holly?, Watching you, 07:15:10, 5/14/2001, (#25) WY -, Holly, 11:06:33, 5/15/2001, (#43) Holly, Watching you, 15:10:30, 5/15/2001, (#46) At the forum, Florida, 07:16:18, 5/14/2001, (#26) More thoughts on Stine, Starling, 09:02:57, 5/14/2001, (#27) Thanks JR & WY!, watchin', 09:54:57, 5/14/2001, (#29) ya know, Tricia, 21:37:09, 5/14/2001, (#30) Tricia, JR, 22:41:09, 5/14/2001, (#35) JR, Frank, 22:49:25, 5/14/2001, (#37) Tricia, watchin', 22:08:21, 5/14/2001, (#32) Tricia, Frank, 21:58:25, 5/14/2001, (#31) Frank, Tricia, 22:13:02, 5/14/2001, (#33) watchin', Tricia, 22:16:41, 5/14/2001, (#34) Trish et al, Mandarin, 23:10:04, 5/14/2001, (#39) Tricia, watchin', 22:49:02, 5/14/2001, (#36) watchin', Tricia, 22:55:44, 5/14/2001, (#38) Guarded optimism, A.K., 02:06:08, 5/15/2001, (#40) I am amazed, watchin', 07:42:55, 5/15/2001, (#41) watchin', gaiabetsy, 08:04:17, 5/15/2001, (#42) Good morning, Tricia, 11:20:35, 5/15/2001, (#44) Hi gaiabetsy!, watchin', 11:43:44, 5/15/2001, (#45) ................................................................... "Ramsey detective feared for her life " Posted by JR on 13:13:10 5/13/2001 Per Request (paragraph breaks may not be in right place - sorry): Ramsey detective feared for her life By Christopher Anderson Camera Staff Writer A former Boulder detective did not turn over some of her notes on the JonBenét Ramsey investigation and says that after she was taken off the case she feared someone - including John Ramsey or even her police supervisors - might try to kill her. Linda Arndt said in court records recently filed in U.S. District Court that she was so afraid for her life that she drafted a will. "I didn't feel a need for a will until after I was taken off the Ramsey team and all that had accumulated before and after," Arndt said in a deposition taken in March and April 2000 and recently added to the court record. "... I have a will just in case something happens to me." Arndt's statements are part of a 72-page transcript of her deposition in her defamation and Constitutional rights lawsuit against the city, Police Chief Mark Beckner and former Police Chief Tom Koby. In her deposition, Arndt said having to draft a will shows the level of damages she suffered as a detective on the Ramsey case. Her lawsuit is scheduled for trial May 29. JonBenét Ramsey, 6, was found beaten and strangled in her family's home Dec. 26, 1996. Her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, who now live in Atlanta, remain under police suspicion. The couple has repeatedly denied killing their daughter, and an investigator authorities hired to work the case says the evidence points to an intruder. Arndt was the first detective on the scene at the Ramsey home and was assigned to wait with the Ramseys and their friends for a phone call from a possible kidnapper who left a ransom note, stating to expect a call between 8 and 10 a.m. She continued to serve as a lead detective on the case until she was reassigned May 13, 1997. Arndt resigned from the Police Department on April 1, 1999, because of a negative work environment. In her deposition, Arndt said that when she was taken off the Ramsey case she did not turn over two to three notebooks of investigative notes because she feared they would become lost. She said investigative notes turned in by Sgt. Larry Mason, who also was removed from the case, later could not be unaccounted. A city spokeswoman said Friday that police officials would not comment on Arndt's claims in the lawsuit, including if she ever turned in the rest of her notes. Neither Arndt nor her attorney could be reached for comment. Other statements Arndt made in the deposition include: Police Chief Tom Koby once told her over breakfast that he thought Patsy Ramsey was responsible for the death, even after Arndt repeatedly tried to tell supervisors that she believed that John Ramsey was responsible. Arndt said her theory was based on her observations of John Ramsey's behavior, including the way he carried his daughter upstairs after he found her dead about 1 p.m. That she lost track of John Ramsey from about 10:40 a.m. to noon on Dec. 26, 1996, the day Arndt was left alone to watch the Ramseys and several of their friends. Arndt felt she was being stalked by Patsy Ramsey's best friend, who Arndt also said is a key witness in the case. Detectives joked from the first week on the case about how much money they would make from writing a book on the case. Arndt's deposition also detailed what she described as unfair treatment by her supervisors, former Detectives Cmdr. John Eller and Cmdr. Tom Wickman. She complained that she had to give separate reports to Wickman, Eller and Koby, who did not appear to be sharing information with each other. Among other things, she said she was required to give daily reports at team meetings, keeping her away from investigative work, while no one else among the team was under a similar imposition. Arndt's lawsuit alleges that Koby placed the department under a gag order not to talk to the media, while at the same time some officers were leaking false information about her role in the case that was damaging to her reputation. According to other court records, Arndt's therapist Judith Fisher said in a letter entered as part of the case that Arndt "presented a picture of a person that was struggling with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" as a result of being inside the Ramsey household on Dec. 26, 1996, and from stress caused by the media and the Boulder Police Department. Although many officers were criticized for mistakes in the case, Arndt alleges that "no one had the length or extensive negative criticism in the media that was given to me." [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Thanks JR" Posted by v_p on 14:54:00 5/13/2001 Arndt felt she was being stalked by Patsy Ramsey's best friend, who Arndt also said is a key witness in the case. I wonder if this is Susan Stein. She would likely be considered a "key" witness since she was the last person besides JR, PR, & BR, to see JonBenet alive. I would think all the people at the house on the morning of the 26th would be considered key witnesses. I wonder if she's still being stalked or threatened. And I wonder if Pats is still good friends with SS. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Hmmm" Posted by Tricia on 16:38:50 5/13/2001 I wonder who this "best friend" is. v_p you could be right it might be Stein. She is the only one who sounds like she might do something like stalking. Why wasn't a named mentioned in the article? Will it be brought up in the suit? Thanks JR. I would like to hear other posters thoughts on this. Why would the way John carried JonBenet lead LA to think he was the killer? What else lead her to that conclusion? Anyone? Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "I think Linda Arndt's" Posted by Watching you on 17:30:20 5/13/2001 statement that she didn't feel she needed a will until after she had been taken off the Ramsey case is sort of nuts. I'm sure Arndt was aware before that time that everyone needs a will, and no one knows what tomorrow will bring. I guess she was saying she felt invincible before that time and didn't see the need for a will - pretty foolish thinking, of course. I don't doubt Arndt was made to be the scapegoat for what happened that day, but I really question her mental stability these days. I saw her interview on TV where a all those lights went off in her head. It sounded weird to me, but maybe that's just the way she talks. If felt that strongly that there was probable cause to suspect John Ramsey that day, why on earth did she allow the Ramseys to leave instead of taking them down town for questioning? I wonder what she means by "stalking." If she thought her life was in danger from JR and further thought Ramsey or the BPD might try to kill her, I have to wonder about her tendency to exaggerate a little. Could she be exaggerating about the stalking, too? It should be interesting, though. Good heavens, she left with three binders of her notes? Why didn't she just copy them so she would have a set for herself instead of just walking off with evidence? This isn't adding up to me. I will be interested in seeing where this all leads. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "WY" Posted by watchin' on 17:49:07 5/13/2001 "why on earth did she allow the Ramseys to leave instead of taking them down town for questioning?" Her supervisor arrived before the Ramsey's left the house. They ordered Linda out of the house to change her clothing and turn those items over for evidence. They did not do the same of the only persons in the home during the murder. It was the macho male supervisors who neglected to take the suspects to the station for questioning. Just a note about the notes. It is a common practice for a detective to make notes of their personal perception of the crme scene or anyone she has been in contact with or observed at the scene as well as noting conversations between those present. Sometimes it is much later in the investigation before one can determine if there is anything in the notes to help connect the dots, so to speak. If the notes are copied there is always the legal argument that without the original to examine, the copies were somehow altered versions and often times not admissable. Considering how some evidence and other reports mysteriously disappeared, I think she made a wise decision to withold her original notes. Surely she was aware of the unethical tactics used in many departments when they need a 'fall guy'. jao [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "I agree w y" Posted by Rebecca on 18:01:20 5/13/2001 She could have copied the notes very easily for her own peace of mind and why did'nt she keep the "kidnapping party" all in one room until she had some assistance regardless of how long it would take. Not much detail from her. Surely she has something more convincing concerning John's behavior, than the way he carried Jon Benet's body. I would also like to know what else lead her to that conclusion, as Tricia posted. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Thanks JR" Posted by Starling on 19:13:14 5/13/2001 This is really interesting stuff coming out. Key witness stalking her? I have to wonder if this isn't that weirdo Susan Stine. It just blends with her character so well.Lol So it was after all, good ole JR who intimidated Arndt and had her mentally counting her bullets. Yeah I've never wavered much either regarding him. Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "WSB in Atlanta" Posted by South on 19:46:21 5/13/2001 had a short blurb on this story tonight and they reported she felt she was being stalked by a friend of John's. The fact that she was left alone in that house for so long just seems too strange. Considering who they were dealing with the place should have been crawling with top brass of the BPD, not just one lone policewoman. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Friend of John's " Posted by Mee Too on 23:14:24 5/13/2001 sounds like Fleet White or John Fernie. would say Bat totin Pasta Jay except he wouldn't be a key witness....I thought of pitBull Susan Stine...However she was Toooooooo busy guarding Patsy...... .....(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Chris" Posted by watchin' on 23:26:58 5/13/2001 I thought some posts were missing and then realized that I was on the worng 'page'. There is another thread by the same title as this with a good discussion in the Beyond JonBenet Forum. Can you bring it over here? It is very case related and would be less confusing. jmo [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Watchin (and Chris)" Posted by JR on 23:40:04 5/13/2001 The thread started out in the "Beyond Forum." Posters wanted the news article posted here so the ramifications of the article could be discussed as they relate to the Ramseys. Since there are a lot of FW/NK comments on the one in the Beyond Forum IMHO it will start another rumble to bring that thread over here. Do we really want that? It's not that difficult to bounce back and forth between forums. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Thanks JR" Posted by watchin' on 23:56:42 5/13/2001 But I am still confused as to what is to be posted at eithere forum. I thought topics that are unrelated to the murder were to be posted there, yet I seem them here. The arndt suit is not case related? It appears we ar starting two separate forums, both with case related topics and both with unrelated ones. BTW, while I have your attention,dies the same rule apply there to personal attacks? Iow, is WOR still the place to do battle and get off topic. The nonsence on that praticular thread began late this evening. Otherwise, it was case related imo. color me confused.:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Baloney....????" Posted by Mee Too on 23:55:03 5/13/2001 hmmm...just read... someone said to this person too bad they didn't know much about this issue.As they are going to have "FUN" with Ardnt under cross with this baloney. Ccap mine).... Baloney???? We'll see... It must be wonderful to have a direct line.....While us beer can pickers have to figure things out for ourselves... .....(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "MeToo" Posted by watchin' on 00:01:15 5/14/2001 I just read the same post and can't imagine what is being implied there. Can you? I understood it to mean that LA 'ssuit was a joke? It appears to me that if that person has a direct line they are not following the case and know nothing of police politics. It will get interesting. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Watchin......" Posted by Mee Too on 00:24:59 5/14/2001 Interesting indeed... I will be watching this "baloney" spin very closely..... ......(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "I stand corrected JR!" Posted by watchin' on 00:13:52 5/14/2001 I just read the entire thread again. Sheesh! How does the topic of harrassment of St and LA turn into THAT?!!!! Still need 'splainin' of the topics for each forum though, if ya don't mind. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Bout Linda Arndt" Posted by Mandarin on 00:49:26 5/14/2001 Although I have a great deal of compassion for Linda Arndt, I get a little uncomfortable when I recall her somewhat dazed look on TV recounting her feelings toward John and mentioning that she counted out 18 bullets and that she knew (more or less) that he was the killer. In fairness to Linda, I believe what she really saw in John (but did not register) was profound anger at Patsy and since Linda Arndt was the first woman he encountered at the top of the stairs, he projected his silent wrath and deep anger at Linda, simply because in his high state of anxiety at the time, Linda Arndt was the first female face he laid eyes on at that instant. He was projecting his confused and angry state at Linda & unfortunately she took it personally, which I firmly believe was not intended for her, but any woman and in John's case, it was Patsy he was angry at. I believe if Patsy had been standing at the top of the stairs he would have given her an even angrier look and brushed past her like lightening suddenly uncorked from a bottle. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Mandarin" Posted by ayelean on 09:03:14 5/14/2001 We better never get together for Patsy Ramsey's sake! LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Watchin and Mee Too" Posted by JR on 01:22:37 5/14/2001 The Murder of JonBenet Ramsey is to discuss the case. There is a daily thread here because everyone missed having it. If there are other threads posters have chosen to post them and Chris may choose to move them. The "Beyond JonBenet Forum" is to discuss case related (side-car?) issues which have come up in the case such as the FW/NK issue. There is also a daily thread there. However, Chris makes the statement, "Don't be surprised to find rumor and speculation in this arena...after all, this IS an opinion forum!" in the forum description. It is my understanding that the WOR Forum or room is where one takes personal issues with other posters. If another poster makes a personal attack on you or you find a post offensive, then you do have the option of hitting the "Alert" button on each forum. IMHO, most of us are "big kids" so unless the attack was made against you personally or has broken the house rules I would simply scroll. The house rules can be read here: http://www.justicewatch.com/registration.htm Each of the forums has a description of what they are set-up for. If you click on the "List of Forums" below you can read them for yourself. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "JR......" Posted by Mee Too on 01:36:13 5/14/2001 I wasn't referring to what was posted at Beyond JonBenet forum....I was just passing on a tidbit I read at another forum without mentioning names...... If you would like,if I am breakng house rules I will remove my post. ......(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Mee Too" Posted by JR on 02:38:05 5/14/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 02:38:05, 5/14/2001 Since I don't know what your post is, I can't advice you however, I don't have the right to tell anyone to remove a post. I am not a moderator. I was just trying to be helpful as there aren't too many people around right now. ;-) Edited to add email address so you can send it to me if you would like my persnal advice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL JR ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Watchin" Posted by Watching you on 06:14:43 5/14/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 06:14:43, 5/14/2001 I think basically this is the forum to get away from the continual references to Fleet White and Nancy Krebs/sex rings/pedophile accusations. I am quite happy with it, myself. I can go there to read if I wish, but I feel absolutely no need to post there. I said my piece, Chris kindly provided another room for those of us who do wish to be confronted on every thread with those issues. I know there are posters going there to continue the debate. I had hopes that wouldn't happen, but, contrary to popular opinion among some, I don't control, nor do I wish to control, all my fellow posters. As for me, it is like heaven here without the confrontations every damn day from the FW/NK group. I guess one might say Beyond is sort of another WOR, this one with rules. They won't find me there, unless, of course, they take my hat in vain, haha. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "mornin WY" Posted by v_p on 06:23:40 5/14/2001 I think it's Stein.. or Linda's imagination. Why would someone want to stalk her? She was pointing at John so I can't imagine it would have been anyone they had thrown under the bus. I agree about the forum wy ... very nice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Hi v_p" Posted by Watching you on 06:43:42 5/14/2001 you've got mail. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "South" Posted by Grace on 06:52:02 5/14/2001 Interesting post. I hope you don't mind if I took it over to the "Beyond JBR" forum. I think Chris said we could move things between forums. I wonder if WSB had their facts straight. I guess time will tell. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "I thought the other forum" Posted by Holly on 07:05:08 5/14/2001 was for lawsuit discussions? No? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Trying to rabble rouse, Holly?" Posted by Watching you on 07:15:10 5/14/2001 This lawsuit is related to the Ramsey case and it isn't up to the "other forum" to dictate what we can discuss here no more than we dictate what you can discuss "there." You know very well what we don't want on this forum. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "WY -" Posted by Holly on 11:06:33 5/15/2001 Go read the forum descriptions. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Holly" Posted by Watching you on 15:10:30 5/15/2001 I did. It does not say we are not "allowed" to talk about case-related things. If you want to make an issue about it, I suppose we could cause another war over it. I don't see the need, myself. Enough damage has been done. Keep the FW/NK crap out of here - that's all I ever asked for. I haven't been on the Beyond forum to start anything or complain about what you are posting. Why should you? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "At the forum" Posted by Florida on 07:16:18 5/14/2001 far away the moderator says Barb Fernie was Patsy's best friend. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "More thoughts on Stine" Posted by Starling on 09:02:57 5/14/2001 I hope we get more information on the stalking issue, soon. At least some examples of what Arndt felt she was going through. Was it phone calls? Parking in front of her house? Following her? I do recall reading that Arndt called (I believe) Steve Thomas one night frightened that she thought someone was outside - following that, it was within a week period that Thomas's garden was trashed, the mutilated cat on his property was found, someone shot at Sgt. Whetson with a high powered rifle, with bullets coming inside his house and blood was thrown on Arndt's door. Didn't we hear that Susan Stine, after Patsy staying with her, and after moving with the Ramsey's to Atlanta - that she became sort of controlling around Patsy? It seems like we heard Pam and Susan had words over this. It could have been tabloid fodder but might be interesting to re-go over that. Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Thanks JR & WY!" Posted by watchin' on 09:54:57 5/14/2001 There is speculation on all forums but I understand keeping threads 'on topic'. Not all roads lead to Rome, eh? Florida, I made the same comment that Barbara was Patsy's best friend at the time of the murder. That was based on my own research and apparently has been confirmed by Wickman in his depo. Stranger things can and will happen I guess. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "ya know" Posted by Tricia on 21:37:09 5/14/2001 I really feel for Linda Arndt. She seems like a truly compassionate person. But when I read how she felt like she needed a will because she thought her co-workers might do her in (paraphrasing here)I have to wonder if she is suffering deeper psychologically then any of us ever imagined. Worried about being killed by her co-workers. Claiming she is being stalked by a Ramsey friend. Now break it down to the basics: Fear of being followed. Fear of a police department plotting to kill her. A doctor could say these are symptoms of delusions and paranoia. I am afraid she may have lost some credibility. I don't mean to judge her but I think it has hurt her to come out with these off the wall accusations. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Tricia" Posted by JR on 22:44:52 5/14/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:44:52, 5/14/2001 It's called Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome (IMHO.) Edited to say: Tricia re this and next post - two words come to mind: Rodney King. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "JR" Posted by Frank on 22:49:25 5/14/2001 Arndt was the one who had blood thrown on her door, correct? I don't think we can blame PTSD for that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Tricia" Posted by watchin' on 22:12:31 5/14/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:12:31, 5/14/2001 I feel badly for her too because I know that even if she wins this suit she will be ruined. The general public has no way of knowing what happens to a police officer, particularly a female officer who bucks the system. Truth is indeed much stranger than fiction. I expect they have been searching every corner of her personal life to dig up anything to put her in a bad light. That is not paranoia, that is SOP (standard operating porcedure) when the force is challenged. The first course of action is to wear down the accuser, mentally physically and emotionally. They are better at head games and fear tactics than you will ever see in the movies. It is sickening! I also expect her personal life will be in the spotlight. Groundwork must be carefully manipulated and laid to form a basis to descredit her professionally and morally. Expect this case to get dirty if it goes to trial. My hope is that trancripts will be available if this goes to trial. The public needs to see the war games in action and they aren't pretty. There have been many fine officers who have exposed corruption in the system and had drugs planted in their homes and automobiles. There have been a number of "paid' witnesses for the defense who have sold their soul on the witness stand to paint a very ugly picture of the personal lives of those courageous enough to follow through with their complaints. I know this sounds crazy but it is a sad fact. It is easy to stand on the outside and judge her actions that day. I agree, she made mistakes but she really needs our support now no matter what we think of her. This one is NOT about Linda. This is about the good old boys network and what they can get away with as servants of our communities. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Tricia" Posted by Frank on 21:58:25 5/14/2001 What if her accusations are true? What happens next? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Frank" Posted by Tricia on 22:13:02 5/14/2001 These are a couple of pretty wild statements. Especially about fearing for her life from her co-workers. Look I don't know what went on in the BPD but I can't imagine police men and women plotting to kill one of their own becase she had a different theory on the case. Paranoia is a sign of some sort of mental breakdown especially when if follows a truamatic event. Frank you point is well taken. It's not paranoia if someone is really following you or trying to kill you. I agree. And I would put nothing past the Ramseys that is for sure. But the part about needing a will because she feared for her life from her own co-workers, cops no less, has me worried about her mental health. Frank I will be the first one to apologize to Arndt and everyone at JW if she proves her life was in danger from the cops. I know Linda's intentions are good. She was a very compassionate cop with a good history if I remember correctly. We will have to wait and see. Thanks Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "watchin'" Posted by Tricia on 22:16:41 5/14/2001 I do understand how hard it is in "The Good Old Boys Network". I do. I hope this doesn't turn into something dirty. I hope the judge won't let them drag out crap in Linda's past that has nothing to do with the case and her complaint. I don't want to see that happen. Please understand when someone talks about her co-workers plotting to kill her it makes people wonder what is going on with her and not what really happened. I do like Arndt. I always have. I hope she is ok though. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Trish et al" Posted by Mandarin on 23:10:04 5/14/2001 Like most of us, I too feel a significant amount of empathy not just for Linda Arndt, but any female cop. That must be a tough job, but then again, she did choose that career, for whatever reasons it attracted her??? I do think, that she was put in a very vulnerable spot on Christmas '96. But I do not think anyone intentionally put her in harm's way. It was Xmas and of course, all resources are skeletal at that time of year. As it turned out later though, I do think that the DA was using her as the weakest link sort of thing, in the BPD. Her biggest mistake, to me, was the identical one Lou Smit made - they bonded totally with Patsy. As part of an investigative team, neither one of them had any right to expose themselves by bonding almost immediately with the parent of a child found dead in her own parents home. Perhaps something tragic in Linda's past, gave rise to her fear/hatred of John as opposed to her immediate empathy with Patsy. Of course, even though she was a Police Officer, it goes without saying, that she must have been in a state of shock when she saw the lifeless corpse of a six year old child being brought up from a basement in a millionaire's home. Yes, whoever said Post Trauma, etc. - definitely! Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Tricia" Posted by watchin' on 22:49:02 5/14/2001 This isn't jsut about a different theory. If an officers supervisor tells them that the color black is really red, they are not to be questioned I am not talking about the daily work routine. When politics and big money are in a particular case, she would have to see what they tell her she sees. She would have to hear and speak only the workd she is told. She can't think on her own. Not with stakes as high as we see in this case. She knows that and so does Thomas. Did Thomas really go into detail of the political hogwash within the department? No he did not. These two have seen the corruption and manipulation first hand and they are a threat to those who screwed up the case from the beginning. It is complicated and messy. Yes, Tricia, former officers have been in fear for their lives at the hands of their fellow officers. They have also been framed and set up for crimes to totally discredit anything they have to say. I don't expect any proof to come out about any harassment or threats or stalking. If she does not have solid proof (usually photos or recordings) this will be blames on an irate nutty citizen at best. The worst bieng Linda will be labeled a paranoid nut case. I wish her well. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "watchin'" Posted by Tricia on 22:55:44 5/14/2001 I wish her well too. I really do. I have always liked her. I hope her suit will shed some light on the strange ways of the higher ups in the BPD. Linda Arndt is so important to the JonBenet Ramsey case. I really do wish her the best. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Guarded optimism" Posted by A.K. on 02:06:08 5/15/2001 I'll refrain from passing judgment on Arndt's claims until I hear more info. Sure would be nice to read the full depositions. I wonder if Christopher Anderson read the entire document and chose the snippets to report, or was given them. PTSD is boilerplate for discrimination suits, and likely to attract sympathy only from people who aren't scientifically inclined. Which means it could work well in Boulder. ;-) I certainly share her frustration for not getting timely backup that morning, and believe she was iced by a group of cops who saw things differently. That should be nothing new within any major crime unit, though. Even though Thomas and Smit were diametrically opposed in their views, they didn't have a hostile relationship. One would hope Arndt would be made of sterner stuff than to allow disharmony to affect her job performance, but who knows what will come out in this suit? I can't believe ANY cop of Arndt's age would be without a Will. I'd like to see some hard evidence of the intimidation charges she's making, which perhaps she has. The good thing is whichever way her case goes, it will keep a spotlight on this case. To me that's news enough. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "I am amazed" Posted by watchin' on 07:42:55 5/15/2001 at how men and women are judged differently in this case. I am even more amazed that the credibility of a person we only read about is judged by what is in print and their job performance is only as good as individual perception. Two officers. One female. One male. Same profession. One is a hero and the other faking PTSD or perhaps just a run-of-the mill nutcase. The suspence must be riviting for some. Linda on the witness stand. Will she throw up? Will she spin her head and spew green slime or just fall to the floor in a fetal position and cry? Maybe is she can sweat blood some will see her pain? Then what? Mock her for being human? I find the appetites of the onlookers in this case to be equal to that of the murderer. Perverted and insatiable. If only we had to walk in another's shoes... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "watchin'" Posted by gaiabetsy on 08:04:17 5/15/2001 you are so right! It's appalling to me just how patriarchal our society is! And women are trained from birth to view everything from that male-dominated stance. Thus, women are hysterical and can't be trusted with decisions or responsibility - and - men are calm and steady as rocks. THEY ALONE are the ones to be IN CHARGE! If there are two witnesses presenting the same story or evidence, which one is more likely to be believed by men AND WOMEN? And, I include myself in this group. Once I needed an operation and when I found out the surgeon was a woman, I felt a little doubtful and insecure. After meeting her, I changed my mind, but I've had previous surgeries and all were done by male DRs and I never gave it a second thought! Sickening! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Good morning" Posted by Tricia on 11:20:35 5/15/2001 Did anyone see MrsBradys page today? 2 of the 3 portions of Arndts lawsuit were dismissed. Legal minds help here. Ginja? Holly? Thanks Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Hi gaiabetsy!" Posted by watchin' on 11:43:44 5/15/2001 Your post wasmuch more eloquent and to the point. I think I may have come across as a male basher which is is entirely untrue. I love 'em! ;-) this case has brought out some many points of error in our society and I appreciate your comments. I too am just as guilty of the patriarchial thinking at times. Maybe we have just been subjected to too many inept or weak women and that has clouded our judgment. I got mail from Mr.Jones today. Linda is doing well so far. check your mail today [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]