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MW returns with Mame (broadcast), ToppCat, 20:29:51, 5/15/2000 Thanks , canadiana, 20:34:10, 5/15/2000, (#1) Thanks, Mame and MW, mary99, 20:43:49, 5/15/2000, (#2) Looking Forward . . ., WitchyWoman, 21:12:15, 5/15/2000, (#3) Why does the good chit, Holly, 21:29:42, 5/15/2000, (#4) Thanx TC, mame, & MW, listener, 00:46:01, 5/16/2000, (#5) Another Cyber Thank You, Bobby, 04:05:32, 5/16/2000, (#6) Transcript PLEEEEEEASE!, Cassandra, 05:14:17, 5/16/2000, (#7) mame, BJ, MW.., Greenleaf, 06:48:45, 5/16/2000, (#8) oh greenie..., mame, 06:51:24, 5/16/2000, (#9) Mame>>>, ayelean, 06:51:58, 5/16/2000, (#10) Mame, Bobby, 07:40:09, 5/16/2000, (#11) No, Bobby, mame, 08:28:58, 5/16/2000, (#12) daily camera, mame, 09:42:35, 5/16/2000, (#13) Mame, momo, 10:25:36, 5/16/2000, (#14) The Interview, mame, 15:41:14, 5/16/2000, (#15) Mame, mary99, 19:11:45, 5/16/2000, (#16) Mary99, momo, 19:20:26, 5/16/2000, (#17) A word of gratitude, Msracoon, 19:32:26, 5/16/2000, (#18) Just spoke with Toppcat, mame, 19:38:08, 5/16/2000, (#19) Broadcast Is Up, ToppCat, 20:01:36, 5/16/2000, (#20) Notes on the interview, mary99, 21:55:59, 5/16/2000, (#30) It's a no go for me at 12;10 a.m. EST., Holly, 21:14:37, 5/16/2000, (#24) thanks topp, Msracoon, 20:21:33, 5/16/2000, (#21) Msracoon, ToppCat, 20:31:23, 5/16/2000, (#22) Thanks to all, Shaggy, 21:26:18, 5/16/2000, (#27) TC, lake, 21:13:22, 5/16/2000, (#23) thanks mame, ToppCat, Maggie, 21:24:48, 5/16/2000, (#26) It worked for me just fine., Househazard, 21:19:40, 5/16/2000, (#25) Thanx Mame, ToppCat and MW>>, ayelean, 21:32:55, 5/16/2000, (#28) the sound, mame, 21:48:52, 5/16/2000, (#29) Brassy?, Jade, 22:30:49, 5/16/2000, (#36) MW, docg, 22:07:06, 5/16/2000, (#32) Mame, mary99, 22:06:10, 5/16/2000, (#31) Toppcat, BusDriver, 22:07:20, 5/16/2000, (#33) Mame, BusDriver, 22:10:55, 5/16/2000, (#34) ........, canadiana, 22:27:18, 5/16/2000, (#35) Most excellent, Msracoon, 22:53:51, 5/16/2000, (#37) Amen, Ms. Raccoon,, doc, 00:12:18, 5/17/2000, (#38) Well Said, Doc...and..., 7kluz, 08:32:53, 5/17/2000, (#60) Many thanks, listener, 00:48:03, 5/17/2000, (#39) Good God, lake, 01:17:35, 5/17/2000, (#40) I wonder, darby, 04:06:23, 5/17/2000, (#41) Darby,, doc, 22:04:01, 5/17/2000, (#92) Mame and mary99 deliver, and so does MW..., Holly, 04:46:07, 5/17/2000, (#42) Some questions, CommonSense, 05:27:53, 5/17/2000, (#43) THANKS FOR NOTES FROM INTERVIEW!!!, Cassandra, 05:59:03, 5/17/2000, (#45) Hear, hear, Holly! , mary99, 05:42:08, 5/17/2000, (#44) Thank you ToppCatt, mame and Bridget, starry, 06:27:27, 5/17/2000, (#46) CommonSense, Watching you, 06:43:13, 5/17/2000, (#47) just tried to listen, pat, 06:45:01, 5/17/2000, (#48) Los Oso Woman, Rascal, 09:10:31, 5/17/2000, (#69) The Interview, szundi, 07:37:43, 5/17/2000, (#51) I don't know, dixie, 07:04:35, 5/17/2000, (#50) Pat, momo, 06:53:56, 5/17/2000, (#49) After thinking about this last night..., becky, 07:53:24, 5/17/2000, (#53) Dixie,, AutumnBorn, 07:50:09, 5/17/2000, (#52) Well ..., Gemini, 08:09:54, 5/17/2000, (#54) Be brave Gemini, becky, 08:15:02, 5/17/2000, (#55) becky, Gemini, 08:27:55, 5/17/2000, (#58) The Swamp, Househazard, 08:21:36, 5/17/2000, (#56) No Gemini, becky, 08:36:56, 5/17/2000, (#62) Not directed to anyone in particular but.., becky, 08:27:52, 5/17/2000, (#57) a quick "hi", mame, 08:41:18, 5/17/2000, (#64) Becky,, AutumnBorn, 08:36:44, 5/17/2000, (#61) becky, too, Gemini, 08:31:21, 5/17/2000, (#59) Becky,, Househazard, 08:42:05, 5/17/2000, (#65) gemini, becky, 08:38:55, 5/17/2000, (#63) Let me explain, becky, 08:54:43, 5/17/2000, (#67) MW's mother..., Bailey38, 08:50:27, 5/17/2000, (#66) Gemini, Real Stormy, 08:58:57, 5/17/2000, (#68) SHE DID NOT NAME FW SR., Seashell, 09:51:23, 5/17/2000, (#73) Seashell., Holly, 10:26:45, 5/17/2000, (#81) Seashell, Sioux, 10:04:35, 5/17/2000, (#76) Thanks for the interview, Luvsbeagles, 09:24:12, 5/17/2000, (#70) excellent question luvesbeagles, becky, 09:26:24, 5/17/2000, (#71) Luvsbeagles and Becky, Sioux, 09:42:05, 5/17/2000, (#72) comment s and questions, fly, 10:22:43, 5/17/2000, (#80) mame, real stormy, becky, Gemini, 10:15:02, 5/17/2000, (#79) Forgot my manners, Seashell, 09:57:10, 5/17/2000, (#74) Seashell, I second that,, doc, 10:02:11, 5/17/2000, (#75) Sioux,, AutumnBorn, 10:13:29, 5/17/2000, (#78) I found the audio file!!!, mame, 10:11:06, 5/17/2000, (#77) Mame, szundi, 13:06:20, 5/17/2000, (#82) Seashell, becky, 15:01:59, 5/17/2000, (#83) Becky, Sioux, 15:05:14, 5/17/2000, (#84) Fleet White Sr?, Nikki, 15:23:56, 5/17/2000, (#85) sioux, becky, 15:54:58, 5/17/2000, (#86) becky, Sioux, 17:12:10, 5/17/2000, (#89) uh, Becky, Edie Pratt, 16:04:21, 5/17/2000, (#87) eddie p, becky, 16:58:21, 5/17/2000, (#88) becky or whoever, pat, 19:10:38, 5/17/2000, (#91) This is INSANE!, milo, 18:59:23, 5/17/2000, (#90) Milo, saryan, 10:20:09, 5/18/2000, (#93) ................................................................... "MW returns with Mame (broadcast)" Posted by ToppCat on 20:29:51 5/15/2000 Hello Everyone. Well, by now you are all probably aware of the BPD press release concerning MW -- and their conclusions on her information, and it's relevance to the Ramsey investigation. With that in mind, MW returns for a SPECIAL BROADCAST interview with Mame which will be available TUESDAY evening at the web site. I'll be recording the interview at approx. 4 p.m. EDST, and the page and interview should be available to you by 8 p.m. EDST, depending on the editing for final approval. Plans are also underway for including photos along with the show. We're looking forward to getting this information to you and, hopefully, addressing a number of unresolved issues surrounding this story, it's evolution and it's impact (or lack thereof) on the case. Hope you enjoy the show. Please use the rest of this thread for post-broadcast discussion. http://www.holoworld.com/ramseyreports Frank (ToppCat) [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Thanks " Posted by canadiana on 20:34:10 5/15/2000 Thanks TC, mame, and MW....many thanks in advance. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Thanks, Mame and MW" Posted by mary99 on 20:43:49 5/15/2000 Waiting and wondering, will our questions finally be answered? Thank you in advance, I know you want to clear up all the unresolved issues too. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Looking Forward . . ." Posted by WitchyWoman on 21:12:15 5/15/2000 to it! Thank you guys so much for making this possible and allowing us to hear the interview. I really am looking forward to it. You are terrific and it is a privilege for me to be able to hear all of your broadcasts! Thanks again & Hugs, WW [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Why does the good chit" Posted by Holly on 21:29:42 5/15/2000 always happen when I'm at work? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Thanx TC, mame, & MW" Posted by listener on 00:46:01 5/16/2000 Am anxiously awaiting some more honest knowledge from you. Lord knows we need it. yttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt88888888888888888888888888888888888888888 oh damn.....KTcat just walked across the keyboard. Mame, thank you for sharing your experience with us on your Mother's Day message. Hope you had a very nice day. Special Blessings to you, MW, because your burdens are so overbearing. You are one strong woman for sure. Remember that. And Tess,.......you did a super job of raising mame, one of which you can be really proud. You done good. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Another Cyber Thank You" Posted by Bobby on 04:05:32 5/16/2000 To all of you who made this possible. "The Truth is Out There" as Fox says. TC, mame, MW, BJ and Chris. . .thanks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Transcript PLEEEEEEASE!" Posted by Cassandra on 05:14:17 5/16/2000 I really want to hear from MW. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "mame, BJ, MW.." Posted by Greenleaf on 06:48:45 5/16/2000 mame, I am looking forward to hearing what MW has to say about the latest BPD announcement. Of all the individuals who have come in and out of the Ram-saga, Mystery Woman is the most interesting. The possibilities she brings before us are almost surreal. Certainly, if the connection is there, I want to see it displayed. It is so easy to dismiss such charges, because most citizens don't want to even think about such things, let alone confront them. I think that is what gives sexual deviants the upperhand. They know of our reluctance to broach the subject of incest, and/or other sexual abuses. To MW, I say this: You have brought this dirty little secret to the forefront and I congratulate you for that. Even if the authorities cannot make the connections to the Ram case, you have done something very important and I applaud you for that. Do not despair. You have made an important contribution to our understanding of child abuse. And remember this: There are other mames, BJ's and Chris' out there, willing and able to help you. We, the people, cannot tolerate such evil. The laws must look for speedy enforcement, when sexual complaints are brought forward. Perhaps, MW, your brave "stepping out" of that secret closet, will encourage others to do the same. I hope you find a wealthy "sponsor," who will provide you with the necessities of life, while you tour across the nation, telling your story. I hope that someday you write your autobiography. It will, no doubt, be a best seller. With love and peace, Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "oh greenie..." Posted by mame on 06:51:24 5/16/2000 xoxoxoxo [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Mame>>>" Posted by ayelean on 06:51:58 5/16/2000 Tell MW that 'ayelean' said 'Hello'! Ask her to remember really really hard exactly what conversations she may have had with Patsy or Pricilla. She may be holding the smoking gun. Even is she doesn't remember any such conversation, ask her if the BPD, FBI, Hill, Smit, Hunter or anyone else ever inquired about any such conversation. I am so afraid this angle is going to be overlooked, or worse yet, purposely not investigated. Thanx Mame, I don't know how you do it. I haven't stopped thinking about you lately. You are going to need one long vacation! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Mame" Posted by Bobby on 07:40:09 5/16/2000 PB was just on ranting and raving about AH and MW and how it was trashing FW. Did you hear him? Hope MW and her interview satisfies him but it seems he has formed an opinion already. CM didn't get much time to speak but I am looking forward to your air time. Good luck MW! Hope your new adventures hold much happiness. Your courage is applauded. Waiting patiently for interview. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "No, Bobby" Posted by mame on 08:28:58 5/16/2000 I didn't hear Peter Boyles. I stopped listening to Peter the day he said, "This kind of stuff just doesn't happen!" He doesn't have to believe or support The Witness. However, for a grown man to make such an outrageous, uneducated, smartass statement is outrageous! He also said he'd quit his job if she was telling the truth! What a schmuck... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "daily camera" Posted by mame on 09:42:35 5/16/2000 i thought you'd like to see the front page of my daily newspaper today! wow, big huh? a little voice with a big ol' headline...http://www.zing.com/album/pictures.html?id=4294543079 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Mame" Posted by momo on 10:25:36 5/16/2000 I absolutely can't wait for your interview with MW. I applaud you for all that you have done to help MW along her way. I know that you will have good advice for her as she moves on to her next chapter in life. If she ever wants to come to beautiful, sunny Florida, she is welcome. Why don't you and the kids and her come down for a week? I hope the interview gives us some indication as to what MW will do from here. I know she is probably still in danger. Will she go on to tell her story to the world? I guess we'll find out in a few hours. Waiting patiently for the interview. I am serious about the offer to come down south. God is smiling on you, Mame. You have been the calm in MW's storm. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "The Interview" Posted by mame on 15:41:14 5/16/2000 We just concluded the interview with The Witness. I had several delays due to kids and barking dogs. So, the interview will go up a little later than planned. Toppcat, will get it up tonight. Just know that he won't make the 8pm time. He is running out to a meeting and will finish producing the tape when he returns. You may want to stay up and brew a cup of coffee and listen. The Witness answers many of the questions you've all been waiting for. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Mame" Posted by mary99 on 19:11:45 5/16/2000 Thank you, thank you! You and MW could write a great book. Go for it! This three month investigation has changed us all. Thank you to all who brought her story forward; Mame, Toppcatt, Chris, BJ Plaskett and Lee Hill. You gave her voice a way to be heard. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Mary99" Posted by momo on 19:20:26 5/16/2000 I am so jealous right now! Did you already hear the broadcast? Do tell!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "A word of gratitude" Posted by Msracoon on 19:32:26 5/16/2000 to Mame, ToppCat and BJ as always. I WILL indeed make a cup of instant even at this late hour. It is worth it. If MW reads this forum, I would like to say "You are NEVER alone". Love, Ms.Rac. and thanks again. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Just spoke with Toppcat" Posted by mame on 19:38:08 5/16/2000 he is almost done and will upload shortly. Final touches... Thanks for listening...and waiting... I have a press release and statement to post shortly. Hang tight. Where's Anderson when I need him to help with scanned documents...pics I can handle but documents are a horse of a different color. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Broadcast Is Up" Posted by ToppCat on 20:01:36 5/16/2000 Hi Everyone, The broadcast is up. http://www.holoworld.com/ramseyreports Frank (ToppCat) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Notes on the interview" Posted by mary99 on 23:32:16 5/16/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 23:32:16, 5/16/2000 Bridget and Mame Where the name Bridget came from; it's a name in Mame's family and also a name given to MW by a dear friend who called her Bridget as she helped clean up after dinner parties, once apon a time. The BPD hadn't been calling her or seeking to clarify any info in the long weeks after the initial interview. Bridget had called them several times. Birthdays and holidays are extremely stressful for ritual abuse survivors. People close to MW were getting messages that she would go to prison for filing false charges. People who are close to the case, in Boulder, had hired a private detective who was in fact following her. The BPD always indicated they wanted to re-interview Bridget, and asked her to come back at the end of April, around her birthday. As that was a traumatic time for her, as many incidents of abuse took place on her birthday, she had second thoughts and asked them to be allowed to come the day before or after, but they told her to re-schedule. She had been receiving information all along that family members wanted her to drop the claims and not go back to Boulder. There were statements that people with connections to the BPD would make her life difficult. From the intitial interview, Bridget felt that the BPD was out to discredit her and they weren't really open-minded. She was concerned that they didn't ask the right questions of her and didn't seem to be trying to substantiate her story as much as discredit her. She felt they weren't really listening to what she had to say. They didn't want to hear it and weren't ready to accept her evidence. She felt more like a suspect than a witness. She was afraid to come to Boulder, but two advocates, Jeannie Adams, victim advocate and criminologist, from Utah and also Linda Rhett (sp?) of CA, who is also a victim advocate and criminologist, were both supportive and spoke to the BPD at length before the BPD re-interviewed Bridget for the second time. These two women are experts in their field and train police departments in ritual abuse indentification. Bridget spoke with the BPD for 2 hours and 15 minutes. The detectives asked about her some of the names she had given them, her work, her therapy again, mostly inquiring about the type of therapy Bridget received and they also told her they had heard many good things about her in the course of the investigation. They were polite and civil yet Bridget felt the investigation should have interviewed 122, not only 22 people as the BPD did in fact do. Bridget felt that in spite of their politeness, they still hadn't conducted the interviews the best way possible. They spent only 1 hour and 15 min with Bridget's therapist of ten years and mostly asked about the type of therapy, not the content of the therapy. They asked her friends things like did Bridget lie, did she make things up, had the friends seen abuse. What Bridget brought out were many parallels to the way JonBenet Ramsey died. 99% of allegations were made before JonBenet died.. There is a connection between my family and the family in attendance the day JonBenet's body was found. MW's mother said she was there with the niece at a Christmas party the night before JonBenet died. MW was also told that a certain person had murdered Jonbenet. When Bridget heard about the way JB had been killed, it didn't shock or surprise her given her own experiences with some of the people in attendence. Bridget can prove the connection between the family she was raised in and the case-related family. Her mother is the goddaughter of the person named by MW. Bridget lived with this knowledge for three and a half years. She told her therapist about it; the therapist was not at all surprised. Bridget was not following this on the internet, she didn't want any of her information to be corrupt. Mame asks what pieces connect? The alarms went off when Bridget learned of the garrotting, it had been going on for as long as she could remember. From age three. It was done for the pleasure of the perpetrator, to elicit a sexual response in a little girl who wasn't able to. The heart drawn on JB's hand was another alarm bell. Her own hand had had a heart drawn on it as a child as part of the 'event'. She won't call it a ceremony. Her mother had had a special hope chest made and painted for her with hearts and pink roses. She was given token gifts to remind her of these certain events; bears, clowns, a garnet ring. Mame asked how long the garrotting has gone on. Bridget replies it has gone on into the present day. Another alarm went off after she learned that the body of JB had been wiped clean. They wouldn't have wanted to have left her body with the fingerprints of several different people. Bridget knew of being hit on the head, and it's common to prevent the bruises from showing. She was stun gunned in the neck and on her bottom also so the marks would not show. She had stun guns and cattle prods used on her as a child. To put her in a position of submission. She affirms that the stun gun rendered her helpless. These 'events' went on at the Christmas holidays. The party after the party would not be as obvious during a busy holiday. People coming and going, cars parked outside. A detective asked her how she knew it was connected to what happened to JB; MW replied that she had lived through it. She was offered money time and time again. She refused and kept her silence because she felt that she needed to give the detectives every oportunity to investigate. SHE RE-EMPHASIZES that all her allegations about the certain PEOPLE she says were treating her this way and garrotting her were made long before JB died... Mary B., her therapist was an intern under a Dr. when MW first met her. She went on to work at a rape crisis center and also to work in the DA's office in CA., before she started her own practice. There were long standing connections between the two families. Her mother and Grandmother referred several times over and over in the last three years to one particular member of the family as being the actual person whom the Mother and the Grandmother alleged had killed JBR. It was repeated over and over, and Bridget actually does believe it. More parallels: Six year old birthdays were a big deal. It's a ceremony inducting her into being used by other people. And also the Christmas after her sixth birthday was a very big deal. MW has to say that EVERYTHING reminds her of what happened to JB. She was filmed occasionally being garrotted, during her childhood by a man who abused her horrifically. After he died, she thought that what hapened to JB might have been done by an inexperienced person, someone who was trying to take his place. Mame asks why she came forward, and asks why she never left. As we all know now, it is very hard to leave but not all people understand the power and fear these people hold. In 1979 when she was 17 she brought charges. She was forced to watch porno movies of herself as a child. She reported the abuse, the movies, to a DA who ended up sucessfully prosecuting the garrotter. Her mother had a movie screen that pulled down on the patio outside where guests would watch these porno movies of children. The DA she talked to believed her from the beginning. Bomb threat at the high school, harrassment, effigy of MW with a noose around the neck hung at the football field goalposts, all went on during the period while charges were pending. May, 1979, after multiple postponements, he pleaded no contest to only 4 of the original 64 counts. During that period her name and picture were plastered all over a wall near her shcool and in the Town Post Office, with horrible words and names under her pictures. She moved to a different state and tried to make a new life for herself, but he found her when he got out. She says to anyone who can't understand how she couldn't get away that until they've walked in her shoes that it is much harder to get away and have the abuse stopped than anyone could imagine. She recently met with the FBI and they treated her well and and they told her will be a looong investigation and it will be turned over to and looked at by several different agencies. And she won't be told or informed of the progress of the investigation (by the FBI) as it continues. Bridget and Mame both feel it could have been investigated more fully. There was a call log of the calls she received and the messages she received, which was not looked at, and a call to a relative of MW was not looked into. Bridget felt that it would be used to connect up those who were tracing her. MW's mother and niece were said to be in Boulder for Halloween, 1996. But the BPD could not confirm they were there for Christmas 1996. Bridget points out that these people had 3 1/2 years to put an alibi together. The BPD called her mother and gave her a week and a half notice before visiting. MW had detailed certain items of evidence and where it was kept, but the element of surprise was lost with the advance notice. The BPD, by doing so, betrayed Bridget and probably caused evidence to be destroyed. They have closed the case, as far as the invvestigation into MW goes. The BPD told Bridget that they had to 'protect certain people'. An elderly woman and man, both of whom are key players were interviewed very briefly due to poor health. This woman was the 'grand dame' of the intergenerational abuse. Another person whom Bridget named was not interviewed till almost the end of the investigation. He was indirectly related to the man who recently abused Bridget before she left CA. When Bridget asked if he had ever been interviewed, the BPD told her it was none of her business. Bridget is very committed to the entire process, she is still here for any further questioning, and she stands behind what she has told all along. She is doing it for the sake of some little girls who may be harmed whom she loves very much. More on the cops and what they asked: They didn't ask Bridget enough questions about what she said during therapy, it was always a contention that they were trying so ascertain that the therapist was putting things in her head. Bridget had had marks left from the garrottting which were occasionally intentional. Usually the abusers tried to leave no marks. Sometimes Bridget thought the marks were an accident but a few time the marks were so severe she thought she was going to die. Bridget is very concerned about a niece she has now and another little girl who has close family connections. She wishes that when she was small an adult had come to her aid. Her voice shakes a little recalling the feeling of despair and abandonment she felt as a child going through this when nobody stopped it, and how much she wants to intervene and help these two girls she loves very much from having to go through what she did. To get this in a courtroom and be heard is tough, but it's a worthwhile fight if she can help. One girl Bridget is concerned for, who lives in the area, tried to jump out of a car when she had seen a Barbie notebook binder which triggered her and caused her to become hysterical, thinking she was going to be taken away and hurt. The girl's brother was there, and Bridget felt there were signs of stress indicating possible abuse. Why Bridget talked with Lou Smit: She knew that they (the Ramsey investigators)had some info already and felt that the best investigation into Bridget's allegation's would come from sharing some of her info so that the info they had would be correct. Smit told both women that he would pursue this case till his dying day, and both feel he's supportive and a 'seeker of the truth'. He sensed the draining emotional and physical toll these interviews had on Bridget. He also advised Bridget to not leave the conference without a tape recording of her statements for her own records, and she was impressed with his advocacy for her rights. Mame felt Lou Smit was impressive and she admits that we may have misjudged him over the last three years. She feels he is truly seeking the truth of what happened that night. Lou Smit had empathy and impressed Bridget also as a seeker of the truth. He asked the hard questions and did it in a professional manner. He was the only person in the whole course of the investigation who asked her where she was on Christmas, 96. (She was with friends and family.) He treated her with dignity and respect. Bridget has never tried to take another party off the hook. She looked right at the investigators and told them she had to keep her story pure. She almost didn't meet with Smit but is glad she did. Mame mentions the allegations of being a Ramsey plant. Bridget is aware of those who feel she is not credible. She really is just glad that her story is being told and she feels that any depate is better than no discussion at all. Bridget thanks those who have sent her funds which made her trip to Boulder possible. She thanks those who sent her letters, books and cards, even a one lady who sent her a dress and her favorite book. She appreciates the feeling of support coming from many places. She is not going to disappear into the woodwork. She is going to keep working to protect those two little girls who still need protecting. Mame points out that while JonBenet no longer needs our protecting, her killers may still be brought to trial someday. Meanwhile, other victims have come forward after hearing MW speak out. While not related to the Ramsey case, it's possible that others who were abused by the same people who abused Bridget may come forward with more evidence someday. If JonBenet had ever lived through that night, she would probably have been treated as Bridget was treated, in other words, with disbelief, scorn and second guessing. By discussing the information, as acrimonious and contentious as it has become on occasion, at least means that others have assimilated it to some degree and it's better than not talking about it at all. Bridget has seen other women come forward since she has shared her story and she is encouraged by their courage. The prosecutor who originally went after her abuser is still interested in the developments and is a strong voice of support to this day. Mame compares the evolution of ritual abuse survivor awareness to the civil rights movement and how a courageous person who refused to accept the seat at the back of the bus eventually changed the entire system in our country for the better. Mame and Bridget, thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "It's a no go for me at 12;10 a.m. EST." Posted by Holly on 21:14:37 5/16/2000 Net congestions. Timed out. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "thanks topp" Posted by Msracoon on 20:21:33 5/16/2000 i only see May 10th. is that the one? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Msracoon" Posted by ToppCat on 20:31:23 5/16/2000 Hi, You may have to hit "reload" on your browser to load the new page. The old page from May 10th may still be in your browsers cache. TC [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Thanks to all" Posted by Shaggy on 21:26:18 5/16/2000 who worked to provide this interview. I got a lot out of it. Mame, would it be possible for us to submit questions for you to ask the next time (if ever) you interview Bridget? With the understanding, of course, that not all of them would be answered. Thanks for having the drive to provide us with this enlightening information. Topcat, Thanks for your dedication in providing the outlet for information we can't get elsewhere. Bridget, Don't ever forget you are being thought of kindly. And please don't ever give up your quest for the truth. Remember, the more light you throw out on this travesty - the less places there are for the roaches to hide. Thanks for exposing yourself in the hope that others will be protected. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "TC" Posted by lake on 21:18:38 5/16/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:18:38, 5/16/2000 The lasted broadcast is not linked to your site as of 12:01 am . Ok. I get it now. You have to ue the above link. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "thanks mame, ToppCat" Posted by Maggie on 21:24:48 5/16/2000 I was able to hear all except the last few minutes before I got cut off. Interesting... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "It worked for me just fine." Posted by Househazard on 21:19:40 5/16/2000 I just got done listening to it. It was pretty good. The last few minutes cut me off though. Nothing really earth shattering, but I thought MW came across as a truthful, intelligent and totally grounded. Missed a few words here and there due to my 16 month old fussing because she couldn't get her brother's Star Wars underwear on her head!!! Sheesh!! LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Thanx Mame, ToppCat and MW>>" Posted by ayelean on 21:32:55 5/16/2000 I sent you an email Mame. I think I may have been the first to hear it. I was on the page and kept refreshing and Bingo there it was. I had to keep playing with the volume. Mame is about 20 decibels louder than MW, I'd have the volume up high to catch 'Bridie' and Mame would blast thru! MW is very soft spoken, but Mame is not shy! I am happy that the BPD softened their stance. I hope it was sincere and not just because they read here. I hope the FBI is more thorough though. Her witnesses don't need to be warned of impending interviews. THe one thing I wanted to hear was not in the interview, I hope there is a reason for that, but my hope is fading. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "the sound" Posted by mame on 21:48:52 5/16/2000 it's hard on a three way call to make all the same level of sound. since i place the initial call, my voice is clearest. BJ makes up for it with his big, deep voice. "bridget" is much more soft spoken and calling long distance from a pay phone. that's what grassroots news is all about. i do sound brassy don't i? LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Brassy?" Posted by Jade on 22:30:49 5/16/2000 Mame, you sound like a lady with a mission, and you do it well. Now I have a good idea how a conversation with my best friend sounds, I'll let you guess who's the "brassy" one, and who's the soft spoken one. MW has a quiet dignity about her. May her courage grow stronger day by day. All her abuse has been unable to touch the purity of her heart. I was reminded of a quote which has served as my personal inspiration though many of life's darker moments. "Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you." Jean Paul Satre My thanks and admiration reach out to two ladies, one who cares enough to listen and one who cares enough to speak out and say "Enough", "No more". [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "MW" Posted by docg on 22:07:06 5/16/2000 I feel for this woman, who sounds very sincere and has probably suffered a great deal. I can also understand why she'd feel a sense of responsibility to come forward in relation to the JonBenet case. There certainly is some sort of parallel between what happened to her and what seems to have happened to JonBenet. But there is clearly no real link, no basis for connecting the cases, and certainly no new evidence that could help in solving it. JonBenet was certainly abused, either prior to or during the attack that killed her. And there is much in such abuse incidents that is similar from one case to the other. She may feel sincerely "in her bones" that the same people are involved in both cases. But in fact child abusers the world over often tend to have similar MO's. And no real link was found. So all we have, at best, is one more mystery to add to the mystery we've already been dealing with. One step forward, two steps backward! Thanks Mame. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Mame" Posted by mary99 on 22:06:10 5/16/2000 The interview is great and I tried to condense it above, but forgot to refresh the page as I posted. I'm going to listen to the interview again and will try to correct or add more to what's above. I didn't try to put Jeannie Adams and Linda Rhett's (sp?) statement in as I hope you will post it separately. Thanks again to you and Toppcatt. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Toppcat" Posted by BusDriver on 22:07:20 5/16/2000 Great job. Please consider editing for one instance of Mame forgetting to use the name Bridgett. BD [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Mame" Posted by BusDriver on 22:10:55 5/16/2000 Please except my compliments and thanks on an excellent interview. I got much more out of this interview than the first one that you did. I especially liked your being able to get Bridgett to tell more of her own story instead of us hearing it all from you. I really feel that you struck a great balance of her talking and you talking in this interview. Super job. BD [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "........" Posted by canadiana on 22:27:18 5/16/2000 Bridget, Mame, and ToppCat....thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Most excellent" Posted by Msracoon on 22:54:17 5/16/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:54:17, 5/16/2000 indeed. God bless you Bridget! I am so mad I could spit nails right now. Going to pray. Love, Ms.Rac. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Amen, Ms. Raccoon," Posted by doc on 00:12:18 5/17/2000 Folks, MW's message made me want to vomit. I am very discouraged by so many here who say weeeeellllll I think she is credible but there is noooooo connection to JBenet's death. PULLLLLLEEEEZE! Why do you think Patsy turned white when they showed her the picture of the bear? Why do you think Hunter is allowing the world to watch him make an asssss of himself by doing absolutely nothing to his buddies? Why did Priscilla White remind the Rams that they (the Whites) knew a lot more? Why DID Fleet White act so weird after JonBenet's death? And by the way, why DID Fleet keep everyone away from Patsy? Why-in view of Fleet's actions- did John Ramsey recently say Fleet was one of his best friends when we all know the couples have not spoken since 1997? I keep wondering if Daphne White is one of the two little girls MW is so worried about. If JonBenet had lived to tell the story Bridget is telling now would you, like she predicts, not believe her? I certainly am not equating the lack of belief in the case relevance to the lack of belief in Christ's resurection (sp?). However, for some reason I keep recalling the following Biblical message: Thomas did not believe Christ was who He said He was until he saw the holes in His hands. Hello America. Even Bill didn't get away with his secret. Thanks to MW, I think other(s) will have the courage to tell. I also believe the FBI feels a special challenge to solve this case, especially since the Rams have refused a lie detector test from them. I have no vested interest in who has to pay for what (s)he did to Jon Benet. My interest is her justice. And yes this is JMHO. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Well Said, Doc...and..." Posted by 7kluz on 08:32:53 5/17/2000 Thank You to Mame, ToppCat and especially to "Bridgett" for their integrity in getting this information to the public. Even if it doesn't solve JonBenet's murder, it brings to light terrible crimes against children, that no one seems to want to deal with. It's really sad when you live in a time where, if you have enough money and great political ties, you can literally get away with murder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Many thanks" Posted by listener on 00:55:18 5/17/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 00:55:18, 5/17/2000 for all that excellent information. I believe in Bridget. Evidently, she is only able to talk about her abuse in bits and pieces. That's definitely understandable as I can only soak up so much of this abuse crap in bits and pieces too. Now I need to spend some time digesting MW's comments. How can people be so deliberately cruel and disrespectful? I swear, i'll never understand. I do know this, it has got to stop in order for this old world to work as it should. Thanks Bridget for having the guts to take a giant leap in the right direction, thus encouraging others to do the same in the future. Holly, and Lake: Try the real player again,...you'll prolly get it the next time. The problems you both described happened to me the first couple of times too. The third time was a charm.....came in loud and clear....all the way. Once again, thank you very much you seekers of truth, chris, bridget, mame, toppcat, leehill etc. hugs to ya'll. edit:.......doc, i think there IS a connection. we just haven't figured it out exactly. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Good God" Posted by lake on 01:28:43 5/17/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 01:28:43, 5/17/2000 The MW says that her mother (who was at the White dinner party on the 25th) told her on the phone only days later that one of her kin killed JBR and , and that the killer was Fleet White? Hey, I know she did not say the name, but that is what the story she told Mame translates to. And the MW mother comes out as a sister of P White. And the MW has a sister or brother who has a young daugher who MW is concerned about? And well she should be. These are some sick SOBs. The BPD has better get their heads out of the own butts and get to the bottom of this pile of dung. No wonder Fleet White and his wife were acting like whores in church for 3 years. Forget giving Patsy and John Ramsey a polygraph. Give MW a polygraph if they doubt what she is telling them. Just don't let the FBI administer the polygraph. Then give FW a polygraph, if he will submit to one. Hell, give the Ramseys a polygraph too. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "I wonder" Posted by darby on 04:06:23 5/17/2000 how many child sexual abusers GARROTE their victims? THERE IS PRIOR DOCUMENTATION! I wish the doubters would explain EXACTLY why they feel there couldn't possibly be a connection of MW to JBR? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 92. "Darby," Posted by doc on 22:04:01 5/17/2000 Excellent point. I guess it's because I am a product of the 60s that I cannot understand why intelligent informed people on all of the JB related forums can't work together to insure that the truth is broadcasted. Then those "you know whats" would get their just reward. I never thought I would say this but of late, Lake is making some sense. Last night I did what I vowed I would never do and I went to swampland. A number of people were ridiculing MW there also. So.............. Who knows? I know I am ready to see justice for JB. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Mame and mary99 deliver, and so does MW..." Posted by Holly on 04:46:07 5/17/2000 The only question anyone should have is whether Bridget's relative was telling the truth when she told her who killed JonBenet. She certainly thinks so. I don't think it is possible to sound more sincere than this woman does. The whole area of ritual sexual abuse is frightening to law enforcement. The Boulder police had a chance to redeem themselves, but choked. Pun intended. maybe the FBI will put things right. Anyone who wants to paint the Whites heroic, be my guest. In my book they are the lowest life forms on this planet. MW's family is a clan of predators that will someday have to account for what they have done to these children. May they rot in Hell. And I hope they don't think they covered all their dirty tracks -- they didn't. Neither did the Ramseys -- and I still don't hear that they are exculpated by Bridget's information. As far as I'm concerned, the mystery of JonBenet's murder is solved. The only mystery remaining is why no one will do anything about it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Some questions" Posted by CommonSense on 05:27:53 5/17/2000 I too believe that MW is sincere in her belief that JonBenet's death is connected to her own family history. I also believe that MW was abused. But clearly a person with so much abuse has emotional scars that we can't even begin to understand. Therefore, in connecting her story to JonBenet it is absoultely required that there be some documented evidence to link the two cases. Here are some issues that I have: MW says that the garroting started when she was three and continues until today (I am getting this from Mary99's great "transcript"). What does she mean? Is someone continuing to abuse her? I'm confused on this. MW says that her mother played porno movies of MW for guests - was this reported to authorities? Was MW's mother never arrested? Why does MW continue to have contact with her mother? It sounds as if MW continues to be in some very unhealthy (to say the least) situations, I we all need to encourage her to stay away from these people and to continue with her therapy. However, it brings up the difficult issue as to whether a person continuing in such unhealthy situations is capable of being accurate. I would assume that I would become quite paranoid of all people if I had gone through the terrible, unimaginable ordeal as has MW. I don't want to discredit her because I think that she wouuld intentionally be used by the Ramseys. But I do think that she is very vulnerable to manipulaton by a family such as the Ramseys. I would hope that the police, the therapist, and any others thinking that there might be a connection, would look for evidence of the "red heart drawn in hand" story. What I would hope to find to help support MW's theory is a reference in her medical records to that portion of the story before JonBenet was killed. The timing on MW's story is still odd to me. It was at the same time the alibiography was released. I also am skeptical about the source and reason behind the threatening calls to MW. I didn't see anything in Mary99's wonderful "transcript" about whether MW had ever met the Ramseys prior to JonBenet's death. Finally, the comments about Lou Smit really worry me. The Ramseys have now caused reasonable doubt to creep ever so slowly into our hearts an minds. I truly believe that Patsy Ramsey is one of the greatest manipulators of all times and that she knows it. I'm sure that she's getting quite a kick out of putting MW through all of this for her own purposes. Folks, this is a simple case. Patsy did it. When Patsy is charged it will be up to Patsy to decide if there were other perpetrators. If we continue to go down these roads of reasonable doubt, we will NEVER have a trial. The only way to find out what happened is to charge Patsy. When you have the killer in hand, and only some fantastic twist of facts would suggest that the killer is innocent, you don't continue to chase the fantastic while the obvious stares you in the face. This was O.J.'s successful way of avoiding convicting. The drug lords did it, Faye Risneck did it, the alien did it. I have no problem in supporting MW, but I am continually disappointed that the Whites are "trashed" with their being NO evidence to support this. Look at who the supporters are for this line of reasoning. These posters ignored every logical reason to say that Patsy was guilty. Now that have embrassed MW like she is their long lost mother. They don't care about her. They care about one thing - they have FINALLY convinced some of you that the Ramseys may have a way out. They tried throwing everything at you and now they finally have one. Listen, Steve Thomas is a good man and a smart man, he suggests that this is not connected to JonBenet. I am sticking with Steve Thomas. I will not believe in a man who is supposed to be working for the prosecution who then switches sides and is working for the two suspects. This is disgusting. Such manipulation. Patsy used her religion on Lou Smit and God only knows how she got MW involved. I guess my only question is - could this be part of Patsy's staging. She took JonBenet to the basement on Christmas to mimick the information in the Santa book. Did she somehow know of MW's story before the murder and throw that in too? While it is an interesting question - it doesn't answer the all important question - who is the killer. The killer is Patsy and she can answer these interesting questions from the witness stand. I wish MW well, and again would encourage her to stay away from unhealthy people and situations and to continue in therapy. Thank you MW for all of your hard work toward justice for JonBenet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "THANKS FOR NOTES FROM INTERVIEW!!!" Posted by Cassandra on 05:59:03 5/17/2000 I found it very interesting. I hope she is in a safe place and is able to salvage a safe and happy life, with people who care about her. Now we watch and wait to see what happens next in this case. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Hear, hear, Holly! " Posted by mary99 on 05:42:08 5/17/2000 what amazes me is the BPD saying they 'can't connect' Bridget's tale of abuse with what happened to JonBenet'. Hello, is anybody home? To me the two tales of abuse not only bear remarkable surface parallels but Bridget's mother actually named the killer of JonBenet. Whether MW's mother knew it for a fact or was guessing, Bridget says that 'it neither shocks nor surprises her given what she knows about those in attendance at the party that night'. It doesn't get any more damning than that. I'm thoroughly p8$$ed off at the BPD for calling MW's mother to make an appointment to come and interview her, a week and a half in advance. Not only were crucial 'cells', I think the word was, of evidence lost, but the BPD has once again screwed up any future case to protect one Boulderite who deserves no protecting. Steve Thomas, if you read JW, I hope you listen to this interview. If after doing so, you still think White is the greatest and most noble figure in this case, I must then conclude you are the epitome of everything you dislike about Alex Hunter. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Thank you ToppCatt, mame and Bridget" Posted by starry on 06:27:27 5/17/2000 For bringing us a most candid interview. I had no problem hearing at all. What a horrible life Bridget had and I truly commend her for being unselfish enough to try to reach out to protect other children. I pray she's able to stay safe from the scum who hurt her for so many years. For the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can miss the connections of Bridget's story and the death of JonBenet. I have always felt this was a sex crime involving JR. Now I believe it involved both the Ramsey's and the Whites. Perhaps only the elder males in the abuse but I still think for some reason PR wrote the note to cover for JR's sorry ass. JMO. Thanks again for an outstanding interview. And thanks also to Mary99 for the above synopsis. It's good to refresh my memory and very accurate and thorough. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "CommonSense" Posted by Watching you on 06:43:13 5/17/2000 What you said, and you said it so well. I latched on to one word in your post that describes what I have been feeling about the posts I have been reading here: disappointed. Those of us who have looked at all this with a skeptical eye have been basically accused of not being able to see the big picture. To me, there is a much much larger picture these same people are not seeing, and you hit it squarely on the head. Good post, as usual. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "just tried to listen" Posted by pat on 06:45:01 5/17/2000 and the site says the broadcast is unavailable,,anybody know when it will be up? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Los Oso Woman" Posted by Rascal on 09:10:31 5/17/2000 Hello, I know that your life experiences have been undoubtly diffilcult and intensely painful. I have myself as a male seen in my own British family tree the type of abuse of females you speak of honestly. It was my father's father, yes my grandfather whom was a female child molester. The intense post tramatic effects on all my families females abused has been and is a living human suffering of mind, body and soul. The abuse Los Oso woman, it did not stop just with those molested, the abuse corrupted the whole family for generations, and it has turned one against another, and thus even acts of kindness are laced with a dark need to deny and control anyone whom speaks out the truth. My family, your family Los Oso woman have it all backwards, they are consumed in a dark denial of the effects of this corrupting family "evil." The Godfather is no "God" and the "father" is no father, the god-grandfather is worst than a beast, and they are a beast with a human head. Our families are lost in the darkness, a darkness that they the human beast have drawn others into. Forgive them all Los Oso woman! As you honestly speak the truth. I was fifthteen years old, my sister Pam was eleven and our mother took us on a trip from Calif. to visit relatives in the mid-west. We stopped at step-grandmother Lillians home, whom had divorced grandfather, but GF lived next door. Gf called over to GM's house and wanted us kids to come next door and visit, my mother allowed it. Mother told me "not" to let my sister out of my sight. We three grandchildren then went next door, knocked on the front door and he was sitting in the front room. We entered the room and talked to him and looked around at his place. The conversation turned to a command from our grandfather. "Here, you two boys take some candy, and then go outside and play, leave me and your sister to talk." My brother and I did go outside as commanded, I hesitently lingered outside at the screen door looking into the living room shadows. My own grandfather took my sister then and there into his bedroom! I stood outside the front door confused of what to do; I finally opened the door and went back in defying my grandfather's command. I walked to the bedroom door, and their, he was sitting on his bed with my sister on his lap. A candy dish in her hands, his right hand on her waist and his left hand was between her legs, in her crouch. He told me to leave, I kept telling my sister to come with me, over and over, I would not look my own grandfather in the eye. My sister finally got down off his lap and we went outside. I never again looked that man-beast in the eye, ever again. God please forgive him; he whom has no fear of you the one and only God. He never repented, and he never became a truely human man. Los Oso woman, the moral corruption of the gift of reproductive pro-creation is only the small tip of the effect. The purity lost has and is in your family-friends fallen down upon one of you, the one whom mimics the elements of your family-friend's actual truth. The truth only you by grace have the courage to speak honestly of publicly. Los Oso woman look now with your courage through fasting and prayer to whom it has fallen upon in their youth, the greatest settling point of moral corruption. The one alone in thought of the murder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "The Interview" Posted by szundi on 07:37:43 5/17/2000 Already e-mailed my kudos to mame and TC. I have no trouble seeing the connection--I heard Bridgit tell us exactly what it is--her mother and niece were at the White's that Xmas and her mother knows who the killer is. Since Bridgit declined to say how her mother knows this info,I felt she was reluctant to come out and say that her mother was actually involved---but that's the feeling I got from her hesitation. No wonder Bridgit fears for her life--she has been told who the killer is--and to have this info and not tell the authorities, implicates her in obstructing justice. She almost HAD to come forward--if for no other reason than to protect herself. I think there is some credence to the statement that the 'garrotter' was 'in training', so to speak, and didn't have the technique down yet. Bridgit did say that the man she sent to jail was her garrotter--and he was the main person who would do this since he had mastered the technique. I keep remembering JR who was quoted as saying, "We didn't mean for this to happen". Bridgit also stated that the age of 6 is important and also the 6th Xmas. Must be some kind of rite of passage. I also hope that the tape is re-edited to remove Bridgit's real name, which was a slip on mame's part at one point. All in all, a very revealing interview. Up to this point, all we heard was that her niece was at the White's. Now we know her very wierd Mama was there too. Makes me wonder if the females get the little girls prepared for the guys---dressing them, make-up, and providing some kind of 'moral support' so the little girls won't be frightened and screaming and kicking. After all, if mommy or grandma is there, might not the child be more cooperative? Just some idle thoughts--while waiting for my next case..... Maybe having been married to a pervert, none of this is terribly shocking to me---they live in a strange world which oftentimes includes children and group sex. I could write volumes.... szundi [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "I don't know" Posted by dixie on 07:04:35 5/17/2000 I was not too accepting of this MW story before not knowing the whole story. I just listened to the interview and heard some things I didn't know, matter of fact waaaaayyyy too many things that should not be dismissed so fast and easy. I am amazed at the lack of a justice system in Boulder, you people who live there need to do some serious house cleaning. How they decided that this has nothing to do with the Ramsey case is beyond me??? I also don't think that she is a diversion, there is no way this stuff could not go on with out the parental consent. If this is true then the Rams are even worse than what we ever thought. It's one thing to accidentally kill your child in a rage ( as ST thinks) quite another to allow your child to be used and/or trained to be a sex toy. I'm so disgusted I'm probably not making sence, guess I could join the BPD and fit right in. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Pat" Posted by momo on 06:53:56 5/17/2000 I'm with you. The interview is currently unavailable. I tried my damndest to stay up last night but just couldn't. Then I wake up and it's not there!!!!! Thank God for Mary99. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "After thinking about this last night..." Posted by becky on 08:03:08 5/17/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:03:08, 5/17/2000 I am somewhat troubled by just how perfect this all is. I mean if this woman can prove that she documented garroting and holiday sex parties prior to jbr's death..(which it appears she can) and if in fact FW SR. and her grandfather were "good friends" and if in fact her neice (also abused) and her mother (abuse enabler) were at the FW Christmas party than we are closer to the answers in this case than this forum has ever been since 12/96. But I can't shake the feeling that if this is all true...why aren't plea bargins being furiously negotiated at this very moment? Let the screw-you before-me games begin. There is the accusation that this woman may be a "red herring". To that I have only one thing to say....DEAR RAMSEYS AND YOUR HENCHMEN LACKING SOULS...unless you can explain to me, JQ PUBLIC, how you John and/or Patsy are also involved or knowledgeable about the events that transpired that night...I will never accept that this woman has the answer to this crime. Chew on that one for awhile. (edited to say no offense to MW, who is clearly not a goofball, but this is just me musing out loud). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Dixie," Posted by AutumnBorn on 08:10:25 5/17/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:10:25, 5/17/2000 I agree with you completely. You are making perfect sense. If there was a sex ring, the parents were involved in it. I've kept my mouth shut about Bridget, but I sincerely believe now that so much is fitting together. The pageants and JB's suggestive overtones. Patsy's slip that there were six people in the house that night. It answers more questions for me than it leaves open. I don't necessarily believe that FW himself was involved that night, but he knows a great deal. I tried listening to the broadcast late last night/early this a.m., but it stopped very close to the beginning and I couldn't get it to work again. Then, today it's gone. If Mame slipped and used Bridget's real name, I hope that it's simply being edited out. It was a real disappointment to not be able to hear the interview. Edited to add: It appears to me that Bridget is not necessarily implicating the White side of the family as she is Priscilla's side, therefore, the comment above about FW not necessarily being involved. Priscilla appears to be the link, not the White's. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Well ..." Posted by Gemini on 08:09:54 5/17/2000 color me surprised and just less than shocked. Now it's clear why you, BJ and others have hung in there with Bridget in spite of so much skepticism, mame. I think any who listen to this account, yet continue to try to deny there must be something terribly wrong among the people mentioned, must just have a deep desire that it not be so. I can understand that. It's hard to let go of long held theories ... in the case of some JW posters, their theories have become their convictions. Likewise, while I'm too much of a cynic to insist one particular idea about this case is the only possible answer, I'm still not ready to let go of the things that seem most likely to me. But, I am willing to let all this soak in, sit back and re-evaluate. Those of you who continue to put forth the suggestion that PR is somehow using this woman to her own ends ... hmmm ... well, you have a right to that opinion, but I think you're off base. It's long seemed obvious to me that, if PR is guilty, someone outside the family helped her stage the cover-up. With that in mind, I suggest the last thing a guilty PR would want to do is call attention to Bridget's story. Commonsense, I hear ya but don't know where you're coming from. From this seat in the peanut gallery, it seems far more likely the Ramseys are involved if Bridget's story has merit. As an attorney, you surely know there's a very in-grained 'old boy' system withing the extended law enforcement community. It appears to me there's a good chance it's up and running here. Mame, since it seems Bridget finally has some kind of (much needed) support system operating ... at least a few caring people on her side ... my immediate concern is for you and yours. We've heard, repeatedly, that the Boulder person linked by Bridget to the murder, has a fierce temper. We've seen via past actions that he has a vindictive mind-set toward anyone he believes has done him harm. Don't doubt this broadcast will have an impact. Please give a thought and take a care toward looking out for yourself and those close to you. Thanks to Bridget, mame and TC for a very significant piece. jmo, ofcourse. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Be brave Gemini" Posted by becky on 08:15:25 5/17/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:15:25, 5/17/2000 You can't be sued for libel by repeating what you heard others say... pray tell...who is this person with a violent temper linked by bridget to the murder? Or are we going to keep all of this in the inuendo phase ...never really saying anything at all? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "becky" Posted by Gemini on 08:27:55 5/17/2000 What, exactly, is your problem this a.m.. With the claws extended this early, you'll be hissing by the end of the day. Lighten up! I just assumed everyone on this thread had heard the broadcast and knew the players. Of course the person in question is White ... but then I'm sure you realized that ... just wanted to scatter litter. bah! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "The Swamp" Posted by Househazard on 08:21:36 5/17/2000 Boulder Police on "Mystery Woman" posted by Masked Man has some interesting threads in it posted by Kimba. She's done some research and came up with some interesting names in property searches. At least, I think so :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "No Gemini" Posted by becky on 08:37:43 5/17/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:37:43, 5/17/2000 I have been gone for over a year and I didn't know the person in question was White. I thought perhaps it could be White SR, since he has a connection to MW's grandpa but didn't know if he was alive or dead. And JR has a reputation for a temper too you know. So...she named White Jr. did she? Hmmm...no wonder everyone is all in a tizzy. I must admit, I'm having a bit of a denial problem with that myself, especially considering the wording of the BPD press release. edited to say oops...posted this out of order. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Not directed to anyone in particular but.." Posted by becky on 08:27:52 5/17/2000 what is the point of coming into this forum if it only contains vague references to the swamp and persons named by others we won't name? Is the place to discuss this crime somewhere else? If so ...where..or is that a secret too? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "a quick "hi"" Posted by mame on 08:41:18 5/17/2000 poor topcatt, when i realized he had missed a reference to her real name, i contacted him via e-mail late last night. poor guy works so hard and always remembers who the boss is. so, early this morning as he was heading out the door to new york he pulled the interview. he promises it will be up later tonight. when conducting an interview this emotional it's easy to slip. i apologize to all who are still waiting. i downloaded the interview and hope to type a transcript today. due to the sensitive nature of bridget's comments i feel it necessary to be very particular in the wording of my questions and her responses. sometimes the audio downloads don't remain in my audio file. who knows why...a mame glitch. if it's there i'll start typing a transcript. i was planning a trip out to the red cliffs and streams today for a hike, walk, think field trip. since the weather is dreadful in pleasantville i'm forced to stay home. no rest for the weary! a quick response to gemini's concerns. as my dad used to say, "you can't be a little bit pregnant". either i cover this story and hear this woman's voice...or i don't. if fear and intimidation rules me then i'm nothing to her or you. i'm trying to be the real enchilada...not easy. i don't have a media giant behind me with a team of attorneys. but, i'm damn glad i don't. i can do as i wish. fall on my face, say "um" a zillion times...have sadie bark...kids yell in the background. and not get paid! ha! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Becky," Posted by AutumnBorn on 08:36:44 5/17/2000 don't worry. If you don't know what the swamp is or who someone is talking about, all you have to do is ask. You might want to include your e-mail address on your post so simple questions like that can be answered without taking up space on the forum. The Swamp is another forum. Gem assumed that everyone is as up on the players as everyone else. Don't worry about Gem. Some posts are taken in the wrong tone. It doesn't mean that your post was worded wrong, it simply means that some of us get into a funk and make too many assumptions/read the posts the wrong way. It's really okay to ask questions, but try using the e-mail address. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "becky, too" Posted by Gemini on 08:31:21 5/17/2000 I'm starting to seriously wonder about your motivation. (sorry RS, but this is weird) The other day, one of our most thoughtful posters questioned some of your input, but I didn't have time to go back and scan for post content. Are you trolling? Certainly comes across that way. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "Becky," Posted by Househazard on 08:42:05 5/17/2000 The post I was referring to mentions a property search of San Bernadino County with names like: C Gaston Boykin, C O Gaston, C D Gaston, Heather Brown, Heather Cox, Allison Brown, Tom Carson, Mark Beckner, Roy Romer, and John Eller. This isn't stealing is it?? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "gemini" Posted by becky on 08:38:55 5/17/2000 I don't understand if you would ask why I am trolling. Guess I'm just stupid. Please explain [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "Let me explain" Posted by becky on 08:57:23 5/17/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:57:23, 5/17/2000 I followed this case for a very looong time...and as such I am familiar with Gemini and do not feel offended by her response. However, I quit the forum because the discussions were going nowhere...who just said it today?...like a hamster on a treadmill. We were obviously missing a very big piece of the puzzle and until we knew what it was we would just blather over and over about whether the Ramseys were or were not cooperating with the authorites. (How hard is that one?) But the allegations by this woman, if true, are HUGE! I'm just trying to get up to speed...trust me..I've earned the right. If Brigdet is not a "goofball" as PB called her, then finally there is a sense of "sanity" to this crime. Forgive me for not wanting to become reinvolved. I don't want to start e-mailing or visiting multiple sites. This used to be the place to go to get up to speed. I guess I was just frustrated because of the hushed tones and inuendo and I was frustrated that this was no longer "the" place to get all of the information for this crime. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "MW's mother..." Posted by Bailey38 on 08:50:27 5/17/2000 calling her daughter that day or the day after naming who killed JonBenet could have been the mother naming one of the Ramseys? Is that possible? Why would the mother call to name someone(the murderer) who was abusing her daughter, when she hadn't done a thing in this girls life(MW) to protect her? Lot's of loose ends IMO. I don't see anything wrong with calling someone in your family about the murder of a child that you may have known. Hope the interview is back up now, haven't been able to listen to it, so my answer could be in there. If so..sorry about that..just thoughts. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Bailey38 ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "Gemini" Posted by Real Stormy on 08:58:57 5/17/2000 LOL--yes, it is wierd. When you're right, you're right. If Becky wants to find the other forum, she can go to the daily thread, scroll to Ken Polzin's links and find the forums--there are several. The one she wants is designated as "The JonBenet Forum" fondly known as "The Swamp." I listened to the Mame/Bridget broadcast. I have no comment to make other than I did not hear anything new. I heard no independent verification of any of the story, or where one could find documentation. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "SHE DID NOT NAME FW SR." Posted by Seashell on 09:51:23 5/17/2000 Read this carefully, please, especially lake!!!!! MW was also told that a certain person had murdered Jonbenet. blah blah blah, then Bridget can prove the connection between the family she was raised in and the case-related family. Her mother is the goddaughter of the person named by MW. That means FW SENIOR, not FW JR. It also doesn't exculpate the Ramseys, no siree!!! By innuendo, she has named FW SENIOR as the murderer and also the person who offered her hush money. Am I the only poster seeing this? But I thought Sr. was in Aspen the night she was killed. What about those airport trips? This is so confusing, but those who see no possible connection might want to visit their eye doctors. Ramseys are still involved. Red Herring didn't work, altho I'm very suspicious of the Smit interview. That smacks of RST chit. Time to go digest. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "Seashell." Posted by Holly on 10:26:45 5/17/2000 You are not the only who sees this. JfJBR [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "Seashell" Posted by Sioux on 10:04:35 5/17/2000 **That means FW SENIOR, not FW JR. It also doesn't exculpate the Ramseys, no siree!!! By innuendo, she has named FW SENIOR as the murderer and also the person who offered her hush money. Am I the only poster seeing this?** Well, I don't know what to think about all this. I see what you mean but if FW senior killed JB FW junior must know something about it and therefor he is not completely clean as Thomas suggests. Again two honest people contradicting their messages BIG TIME? **But I thought Sr. was in Aspen the night she was killed. What about those airport trips? This is so confusing, but those who see no possible connection might want to visit their eye doctors.** Of course it's confusing, since we STILL don't know who the "good guys "are. I'll say it again and again and again: If MW is right Thomas is wrong and viceversa. Oh! And the third option? Thomas is part of the big conspiracy.I can't believe this, but....I'm out of theories. Sioux Ramseys are still involved. Red Herring didn't work, altho I'm very suspicious of the Smit interview. That smacks of RST chit. Time to go digest. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "Thanks for the interview" Posted by Luvsbeagles on 09:24:12 5/17/2000 Havent heard it yet, but looking forward to it. I have but one question....if anyone can answer it...great..if not, maybe Mame could pose it if she interviews her again. Here it is: Does MW implicate JR and PR in the murder of their daughter either as the killer(s) or accessories? If she doesnt how does she explain the killers apparent run of the house? Or is she in fact implicating ALL of them (as in FW and family, JR and family, etc.) Thanks! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "excellent question luvesbeagles" Posted by becky on 09:26:24 5/17/2000 I second the request. Also ask her why she thinks the BPD is trying to discredit her. Thanks [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Luvsbeagles and Becky" Posted by Sioux on 09:42:05 5/17/2000 And I THIRD the request! Good Lord I am more and more confused the more info I get. Thanks mame. Great job as always. But the problem is.....Do we have anything really revealing concerning the case ? NO! Unless you guys think as "revealing" the fact that, being MW RIGHT, then Steve Thomas is WRONG, at least in his concepts about the BPD.Even more, Steve must be part of the conspiracy, because, come on, he is indirectly discrediting her story. And something else: If MW has failed to be fully heard, why doesn't she go public ALL THE WAY? I understand it must be terribly hard, but, she is in a very tough situation anyway! If she fears for her life, wouldn't she be even more protected if her picture were on TV ? Even if NO ONE believed her (she gets a lot of that already anyway) her enemies at least couldn't harm her. I'm sorry, I'm very, very frustrated.I can't really understand what's going on, not even with a lot of imagination at my service.I feel sorry she has been abused as a child, but I just don't get why she has been and IS in contact with her mother and rest of her abusive family. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "comment s and questions" Posted by fly on 10:22:43 5/17/2000 Comment 1: Thanks, mary99, for the synopsis. I'm looking forward to mame's verbatim transcript, but your account is great. Comment 2: For me, the only new stuff of major interest is the information that MW's mother, not some mystery man, was at the party and supposedly told MW within a couple of days who the murderer supposedly is. Comment 3: I'm still unsure whether MW accuses Fleet Jr of having abused her, or whether there is any way to document this if she has. Question 1: Why the heck didn't MW at least go the anonymous tip route sometime that first year (if not immediately) concerning the information her mother passed along? Questions 2 & 3: Was her mother present when JBR was killed? Does she supposedly have any direct knowledge, or is all this her conclusion based on speculation or partial facts? If truly involved, she would have had information not publically released at the time that would have gone a long way toward showing her story's validity. Questions 4 & 5: What is this "now destroyed" evidence that MW's mother supposedly had? Would this evidence have even survived the first news that MW was talking to police? I doubt it, at least if it was truly incriminating. Question 6 - They watched child porn out on the patio? Were there no neighbors to get a glimpse at or an earfull of what was playing at this drive-in theater? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "mame, real stormy, becky" Posted by Gemini on 10:15:02 5/17/2000 ah mame, didn't mean you should stop, just that you should take care and be aware there may be those who will not be pleased with this interview. RS, you're right that we really have no proof. But, if mame, BJ and lee hill say they saw documentation that verifies the MW story has not changed substantially from the info she gave her therapist over the long haul, I DO consider that has reasonable credibility. As I mentioned before, all this is going to need to be factored in and given serious thought. In regard to the wording of the press releases, and, also, Steve Thomas' comments ... I wonder just how important it is that there's nothing absolving the Whites from any of the accusations except involvement in the murder ... and, even that is rather carefully worded. I certainly don't want to make the mistake of reading things into it that aren't there, but after the information we've had about the deliberate and rather ambiguous wording of the original statement to clear the Whites, this new copy needs careful consideration, IMO. becky ... all the wide-eyed innocence notwithstanding, spare me please. 1) You're no newbie, 2) you're not stupid and, 3) since you're posting on this thread, thus have either had enough interest to listen to the broadcast or read mary's synopsis, you're not unaware. Add 'em up, along with the content of your above posts ... voila! ... a big neon sign, "TROLL" (little goblins along the bottom doing the 'red flag dance'). not that you needed an explanation, seeing how you've been following along such a looong time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "Forgot my manners" Posted by Seashell on 09:57:10 5/17/2000 Thank you mame, TC and Brigitte for the report and mary99 for your synopsis. Hugs all around. Still musing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "Seashell, I second that," Posted by doc on 10:02:11 5/17/2000 Sometimes I get so busy, I forget to say THANK YOU. Mame, BJ, MW, ToppCat you guys are the greatest! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "Sioux," Posted by AutumnBorn on 10:13:29 5/17/2000 I think the reason Bridget hasn't gone public is that there is still an investigation going on and she doesn't want to mess that up. Until the FBI is done, she's kinda in between a Boulder and a hard place. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "I found the audio file!!!" Posted by mame on 10:11:06 5/17/2000 amazing! so gang...i'lll start typing a transcript. i'll put up sections as i finish them. it's a rainy cold day in pleasantville. perfect for panscribing... damn i miss that woman! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "Mame" Posted by szundi on 13:06:20 5/17/2000 Glad I sent you that e-mail so very late/early this AM. It was about 2AM and woke me with a start. So, you see, a lot of us DO pay very close attention to your broadcasts. (Pun intended!). szundi [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 83. "Seashell" Posted by becky on 15:01:59 5/17/2000 Re Fleet White SR vs JR, that is how I had read it too. If he was in Boulder that night, and since he BPD confirms that he IS MW's mother's godfather and since MW's mother was there...this stuff is HOT! I still am in denial that FW JR could be implicated since he has always cooperated and acted so normal through this whole affair. We need MW to give us the connection between the FW Sr. to Patsy or John. Why aren't they cooperating. There were six in the house that night..who were the other two? Remember..a child screamed that night around midnight in the Ramsey house. So I still think that Jonbenet had to be alive in the Ramsey house around midnight. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 84. "Becky" Posted by Sioux on 15:05:14 5/17/2000 We need MW to give us the connection between the FW Sr. to Patsy or John. Why aren't they cooperating. There were six in the house that night..who were the other two? My guess? The Stines! sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 85. "Fleet White Sr?" Posted by Nikki on 15:25:06 5/17/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:25:06, 5/17/2000 ..that is a big hardy har har..right? ..isn't he like, pushing 90 years old right now? ..did he scribe up that weird and wandering ransom note also? ..pushing 90 and still virile (?) or crazy mad enough to garotte and molest little girls in other people's houses..no way..all it would take was one good smack with a hunk of fruitcake and the guy would have been laid out on the floor..and any kid of six could out stun gun an aging old coot.. ..4 in da house ..murder ..deceit ..lies ..and a big heavy bus ride .. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 86. "sioux" Posted by becky on 15:54:58 5/17/2000 I agree...why aren't they cooperating. I think the silence out of the White house after the BPD press release is very strange indeed. I must admit I half expected the BPD to come out and clarify that they never meant to imply a porn connection to Fleet with that press release (you just know both the Whites and the detectives come in here) but nothing but silence today. Reeeallly loud silence. The Stines..hmmm. Interesting. Don't forget all the friends were at the house before the police ever got there... always seemed strange if PR and JR acted alone...but seems to fit now, doesn't it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 89. "becky" Posted by Sioux on 17:12:10 5/17/2000 The Stines were the only ones who were NOT there that morning.Maybe they were taking really long showers at their home, after a loooooooong night?(All their showers work).They were not called that morning and after the body is found the Rams spent time with friends like the Fernies and also stayed at Pasta jay's but not the Stines as far as know. Still, unemployed John takes Mr. Stine to work with him to Atlanta, so BOTH FAMILIES MOVE when the time comes. Hmmmmm....... Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 87. "uh, Becky" Posted by Edie Pratt on 16:04:21 5/17/2000 hate to contradict you, but I do believe the guests arrived after the BPD. However, they arrived so closely after that it does cause one to wonder just how far from the Hellhole they were when they got their invites. I am with you in my skeptisism of the Stine's. Hard to believe mere acquaintances would up and move together, especially following a murder. What basis for trust and sympathy are the Stine's working from? If they hardly knew the Ramsey's, and spit venom at friends they had for alot longer, what was the clincher for that deal? Seems they sold their souls for a mess of pottage, but WHY? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 88. "eddie p" Posted by becky on 16:58:21 5/17/2000 good points. I think I liked this case better when I thought Patsy just smacked her over the head with a flashlight. Somehow that seems humane compared to the road we are going down now. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 91. "becky or whoever" Posted by pat on 19:10:38 5/17/2000 was commenting on how names weren't mentioned and things were said indirectly,,,some of the parties involved sue everyone in sight. Nobody wants to be defending themself in court,,it is expensive even if your aren't guilty and never underestimate the desire of some of the parties to keep anyone silent and make a few bucks in the process. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 90. "This is INSANE!" Posted by milo on 18:59:23 5/17/2000 If the Ramsey's are ever (eventually) charged, they'll never be convicted. I'm 100% certain of this. Why? Because of gullible people who buy into bizarre, unbelievable rumors like this. If so many people here in "anti-Ram" territory give MW and these weird plots credence, then think how easy it will be to convince at least one juror that the Ramsey's are just poor victims of a secret group of powerful pedophiles. Actually - they don't even have to convince a jury that the Rams are innocent - all they have to do is get Lou Smit, or one of the other members of the RST to spew out this absolute GARBAGE about MW and FW,Sr. Even jurors who think the Rams are involved in a big powerful secret child sex ring might be convinced that ANOTHER member of the group (FW - JR OR Sr - or ANYONE but the Rams) killed JBR because she was going to tell about the secret Christmas sex parties. They'd think the Ramsey's are perverted creeps, but POSSIBLY not the killers of JBR. And the Rams would walk. I met a woman 15 years ago who insisted that the CIA was trying to kill her because she had found out who killed JFK. She was dead serious, and she lived in fear, drifting from one town to another. Sometimes she'd cry and cry, and talk about how she could never see her family again because the CIA was waiting for her to try and contact them. And she sounded SO SINCERE. But does being sincere make her CREDIBLE? No way! She was a lunatic! She craved attention, mystery and intrigue, and that's how she got it. Hell, she wasn't even ALIVE when Kennedy was shot!! Another woman I know, who lived across the street from me for a couple of years, used to get visits from Jesus. Jesus would come knock on her kitchen door, and she'd let him in and they'd sit at the kitchen table drinking coffee and talking. She was VERY sincere. She TRULY believed Jesus - live and in person - literally walked into her kitchen and spoke out loud to her. Sometimes her dead brother would come visit her too, and sit at the table chatting with her and Jesus. (Strangely enough, this usually happened when she would stop taking her medication!) Sometimes we - and other neighbors - would find her kids out wandering naked and hungry in the street. Her excuse was always that she was didn't know her kids got out because "Jesus was visiting her in the kitchen." Every so often the county would take her kids away and send her to a mental hospital. But sooner or later she'd get out again and get her kids back. Not to knock religon or anything, but what are the chances that Jesus would literally walk in her kitchen door and sit and visit with her - in the flesh? And - distract her from watching her kids while they went outside and played in traffic! She was a LUNATIC!! A very SINCERE lunatic, certainly, but a lunatic none the less. (The last time I talked to her she told me how she had "taught" her youngest daughter how to "speak in tongues", and how popular that had made her daughter in church. Between genetics and environment, that poor kid doesn't have a chance.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 93. "Milo" Posted by saryan on 10:20:09 5/18/2000 Sounds like you attract some strange people, what's your point? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]