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MakeToast, Make Out Club and, watchin', 14:31:05, 5/18/2001 Watchin', mary99, 14:53:02, 5/18/2001, (#1) Mary, watchin', 15:00:31, 5/18/2001, (#2) Mary99, watchin', 15:03:47, 5/18/2001, (#3) altered photo, Kip, 15:30:35, 5/18/2001, (#4) the MakeToast site, starry, 15:38:17, 5/18/2001, (#5) Thanks kip, watchin', 15:46:57, 5/18/2001, (#6) Starry, watchin', 15:49:56, 5/18/2001, (#7) Mary99, watchin', 16:05:53, 5/18/2001, (#8) watchin', mary99, 16:52:47, 5/18/2001, (#10) Watchin, JR, 16:44:17, 5/18/2001, (#9) Thanks JR!, watchin', 17:35:44, 5/18/2001, (#13) It looks to me , Florida, 17:02:27, 5/18/2001, (#11) Scanner man!, watchin', 17:32:39, 5/18/2001, (#12) watchin', mary99, 19:32:17, 5/18/2001, (#15) Watchin, JR, 17:45:40, 5/18/2001, (#14) Watchin', Spencer, 14:24:19, 5/19/2001, (#16) Hmmm , Cassandra, 15:03:02, 5/19/2001, (#17) ................................................................... "MakeToast, Make Out Club and" Posted by watchin' on 14:31:05 5/18/2001 The Studio Group. These names are connected to R. Nick Williams who owns and maintains the "MakeToast" web site. Who is R. Nick Williams AND would he alter a Ramsey photo? If so, for what purpose? I was looking for photo of John Ramsey in August of 2000 and found a photo on "maketoast" that was of interest to me. It was a photo of Patsy and John in Aspin on a cold day. Patsy was wearing a fur coat and walking behind John and a friend of his. What I found interesting was the fur trimmed collar on John's brown jacket which appeared to be leather. I downloaded the photo which was titled "johnandPatsy.jpg" to my photo files but have since transferred them to floppy discs which are at another location. I wanted to view that photo again after the new information of brown fibers found on JonBenet. I wanted to see if John was wearing brown gloves in that photo and if it was possible for someone to give me an opinion as to the type of fur on his brown jacket. Backing up here a moment. Sometime before December, if I recall correctly, there was a notice at "MakeToast" that the website was for sale. I don't recall who owned it then, but it is now owned by IPS (Inner Peace Security) and maintained by R. Nick Williams. It appears that Williams is the owner of IPS. Mr. Williams has a contact address in Georgia. Today, I returned to make toast to copy the photo and send it to a friend. The photo is altered and is renamed: "newpatsyandjohn.jpg". The "new" photo is the same except for color enhancment and darkening of one area. It is now difficult to determine what kind of coat Patsy is wearing and it cannot be determined, from THIS photo that John has on a brown, fur-trimmed jacket. Muchof the photo has been darkened. I am certain of the altering. The man in the photo next to John is not wearing golves and his hands are in his pockets. I definately recall this but cannot recallif John's hands were in his pockets. There is a black area between John and the other man which was originally a rust or orange color and appeared to be possibly a trash receptical. Does anyone have the photo downloaded prior to December, 2000? I still want to view John's hands if possible and the brown jacket which now appears to be black with no detail as was evident in the original photo. link to "New" photo: http://www.maketoast.com/JBRamsey/llIlllIllllIlllllI/newjohnandpatsy.jpg Full page from which photo was taken. Click on the thumbnail and see that I did not alter the enlarged version. http://www.maketoast.com/JBRamsey/ramsey.htm [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Watchin'" Posted by mary99 on 14:53:02 5/18/2001 I can't help you on a previous download of that picture, but hope someone copied it before it was replaced. Why would this picture be altered if not to hide something? Mrs. Brady's "young man with a scanner", indeed! You say you found a connection between MakeToast and the Studio Group? Tell us more.... I have heard the rumor that it was a Ramsey-connected site, because some of the photos had not been published elsewhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Mary" Posted by watchin' on 15:00:31 5/18/2001 What's with the "man with the scanner"? I think I missed something. Anyone have any idea if Williams is associated with the Rammers or how? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Mary99" Posted by watchin' on 15:03:47 5/18/2001 I am trying to get a confirmation on the "Studio Group" now...will get back to ya. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "altered photo" Posted by Kip on 15:30:35 5/18/2001 watchin', i think you're right about the photo having been altered. I don't recall seeing the original, but the white space about at the shoulder level between the two men definitely looks like the Photoshop eraser tool (the circular mode) has been used there (it's edge is rounded and blurred). I hope someone has the original for yo [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "the MakeToast site" Posted by starry on 15:38:17 5/18/2001 Wasn't that up for sale a while back? My memory fails me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Thanks kip" Posted by watchin' on 15:46:57 5/18/2001 I know the jacket is brown an it appears to be leather. The jacket collar is brown fur. Whether it is beaver, I couldn't speculate, but it is fur. If someone has Adobe perhaps they could lighten or remove some contrast and see this is so. However, I believe it is altered to the point of not being of any use when that happens because the photo would be too fuzzy. I want to see if John's hands are visible and if he is wearing brown gloves. I am reloading some programs to this computer and maybe I can get to the Adobe tonight. thanks again. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Starry" Posted by watchin' on 15:49:56 5/18/2001 Yes, the site was up for sale. I am trying to get some info on Robert N. Williams and if he has any Ramsey connectons. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Mary99" Posted by watchin' on 16:05:53 5/18/2001 At this point I don't consider the 'sourse' for the Studio Group to be credible. Williams is interested in photography and as an intertainment site, there is more to come, so who knows what other names and connections will appear. After checking the IPS site, I see "The Studio" is not yet on site. Construction is still in progress as you can see by this link: http://www.innerpeacesecurity.com/ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "watchin'" Posted by mary99 on 16:52:47 5/18/2001 'Young man with a scanner' was Ma Brady's term for the MakeToast guy, Nick Williams. Click on the 'this site is for sale link': maketoast.com Minimum Offer: $500 Status: make offer Last Offer: none I think The Studio is an indie music studio, not a photography studio. The alteration of the photos of John is interesting. I don't know if you can un-do the darkening, because it's probably smudged over with black, but it does look weird. Wish I could help you with a saved image. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Watchin" Posted by JR on 16:44:17 5/18/2001 I tried working with the picture but it is just to hazy to see what kind of fur is on the jacket. It is definately a brown leather jacket with a fur collar though and John's hands are in his jacket pockets. You can't see if he has on gloves or not because his hands are all the way in his pockets. The white spot someone says looks like it was altered appears to me to be the sun flashing off the white car behind the other man. Good catch on the collar though! JFJBR [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Thanks JR!" Posted by watchin' on 17:35:44 5/18/2001 You get my vote for 'most helpful'! Thanks for working with the photo. I was beginning to worry about my memory! I wonder if MzP still has that fur coat? LOL I appreciate all you do to help others. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "It looks to me " Posted by Florida on 17:02:55 5/18/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:02:55, 5/18/2001 like the car behind them is covered with snow and really reflecting the sun. The object between the two men seems to be a dark rust brown trash can. Looks like John's wearing a dark brown leather jacket with a fur collar. He also has on glasses. Different browsers and monitors skew colors somewhat. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Scanner man!" Posted by watchin' on 17:32:39 5/18/2001 Thanks Mary! I am surprised at the purchace amount. I expected much more. The kids club has a lot of photo interest and it is truly a weird site. Ellie's name is mentioned there! LOL Talk about irrelevant coincidences. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "watchin'" Posted by mary99 on 19:32:17 5/18/2001 I doubt the website would be delivered 'as is', maybe the bid is for the name only. Especially if Mr. Maketoast has 'one of a kind' pictures of JBR and the Rams, LOL. I rightclick and download stuff instead of bookmarking it now. Too bad I didn't save that one. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Watchin" Posted by JR on 17:45:40 5/18/2001 Thanks re your message to me. I enjoy doing research - LOL! Sick...as Pedro would say. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Watchin'" Posted by Spencer on 14:24:19 5/19/2001 I am really stretching my memory at this point but it seems like in 1997 Maketoast appeared on the scene and said he had been mistaken for John Andrew Ramsey at JonBenet's grave and something about a photo of him being mentioned as being a photo of JAR. I don't remember exactly what happened later on but there was something about him that made my hinky lights go off. Don't know if this little bit of information will help or not. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Hmmm " Posted by Cassandra on 15:03:02 5/19/2001 This is all very interesting, guys. That Atlanta connection raises my eyebrows too. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]