Justice Watch Discussion Board "something HINKY...Thread #2" [ Main ] [ Post New Thread ] [ Help ] [ Search ] Table of Contents ................................................................... something HINKY...Thread #2, Policedog, 14:25:04, 5/19/2000 Lake, darby, 14:35:39, 5/19/2000, (#1) Becky, maxi, 14:38:58, 5/19/2000, (#2) maxi, becky, 14:55:27, 5/19/2000, (#7) Chris, Tedleg, 14:39:24, 5/19/2000, (#3) Tedleg, maxi, 14:45:33, 5/19/2000, (#5) Maxi, Tedleg, 14:52:59, 5/19/2000, (#6) darby, lake, 14:45:28, 5/19/2000, (#4) If anyone is interested..., Byron, 14:57:51, 5/19/2000, (#8) Thank you, Byron..., Slinky, 15:12:02, 5/19/2000, (#9) Hello Slinky, Byron, 15:18:22, 5/19/2000, (#11) Interesting, lake, 15:15:22, 5/19/2000, (#10) Not all that hinky, Luvsbeagles, 15:25:09, 5/19/2000, (#12) Chris are you trying to....., Shamrockpati, 15:33:37, 5/19/2000, (#14) Here is my last hint, AuntieBJ, 15:30:20, 5/19/2000, (#13) I can't stand it...., Policedog, 15:46:47, 5/19/2000, (#18) Oh good grief!!, Luvsbeagles, 15:43:38, 5/19/2000, (#16) Luvsbeagles, Sioux, 16:33:21, 5/19/2000, (#31) are you thinking of an old fifties song, pat, 15:43:00, 5/19/2000, (#15) Auntie,, Househazard, 15:47:58, 5/19/2000, (#19) The clue is.........., AuntieBJ, 16:33:33, 5/19/2000, (#32) don't tell me, Edie Pratt, 15:46:39, 5/19/2000, (#17) And then , Florida, 15:52:12, 5/19/2000, (#20) Florida LOL, shana, 16:11:28, 5/19/2000, (#25) and then along came..., Luvsbeagles, 15:57:27, 5/19/2000, (#21) along came?, pat, 16:01:50, 5/19/2000, (#22) along came the rain, Edie Pratt, 16:09:21, 5/19/2000, (#24) Blanks?, janphi, 16:08:00, 5/19/2000, (#23) .... Twas at the, Slinky, 16:27:25, 5/19/2000, (#29) Missus, shana, 16:14:33, 5/19/2000, (#27) JONES, Luvsbeagles, 16:13:06, 5/19/2000, (#26) ROFL!!!, Policedog, 16:19:36, 5/19/2000, (#28) Policedog, lee2, 16:41:39, 5/19/2000, (#35) By the way, lee2, 16:42:23, 5/19/2000, (#37) the spade, pat, 16:30:28, 5/19/2000, (#30) One of the greatest lyrics sites is, lee2, 16:45:38, 5/19/2000, (#38) Long, Florida, 16:41:59, 5/19/2000, (#36) The only thing, lake, 16:39:55, 5/19/2000, (#34) 2 guesses, South, 16:39:00, 5/19/2000, (#33) Lake, answer me please...., Slinky, 16:59:26, 5/19/2000, (#43) Slinky, lake, 17:08:11, 5/19/2000, (#45) Awww lake...., Slinky, 18:47:32, 5/19/2000, (#64) Lake, Ruthee, 18:31:01, 5/19/2000, (#62) WHOA!!, Sioux, 17:25:46, 5/19/2000, (#50) But, Slinky, lake, 17:21:16, 5/19/2000, (#49) LOL! ... lake, Slinky, 19:13:02, 5/19/2000, (#67) candidates, pat, 16:47:23, 5/19/2000, (#39) I thought it was Santa Barbara, lee2, 16:50:51, 5/19/2000, (#40) Thanks to all the riddles and clues--, LurkerXIV, 16:58:05, 5/19/2000, (#42) To PoliceDog, lee2, 16:54:24, 5/19/2000, (#41) Oh, Lee2, Policedog, 19:10:56, 5/19/2000, (#66) Laughing and crying in Pennsylvania!, MrsBrady, 17:08:12, 5/19/2000, (#46) Give that girl..., Slinky, 17:06:55, 5/19/2000, (#44) Thank you Lurker!, Househazard, 17:16:06, 5/19/2000, (#48) Gadfly - defined, lee2, 17:32:58, 5/19/2000, (#52) Impressions, reporter, 17:15:43, 5/19/2000, (#47) Lake, Real Stormy, 17:33:26, 5/19/2000, (#53) Heh-heh, RS!, LurkerXIV, 17:38:14, 5/19/2000, (#54) Lurkster--, Real Stormy, 17:53:00, 5/19/2000, (#56) Glad to be of service..LOL!, LurkerXIV, 17:30:31, 5/19/2000, (#51) Lurker XIV, Sioux, 20:50:04, 5/19/2000, (#75) I'm getting restless..., AutumnBorn, 17:42:47, 5/19/2000, (#55) Gosh, Autumnborn,, Real Stormy, 17:54:19, 5/19/2000, (#57) Lurker & Lee, Househazard, 17:58:37, 5/19/2000, (#58) No problem, Househazard!, lee2, 18:00:41, 5/19/2000, (#59) Jesus!, Ruthee, 18:17:40, 5/19/2000, (#61) My God, Lake, darby, 18:15:34, 5/19/2000, (#60) Speaking of gadflies.., darby, 18:33:33, 5/19/2000, (#63) Brady, you illustrious diva, you!, Policedog, 18:57:19, 5/19/2000, (#65) LOL Brady, Denver, 19:19:47, 5/19/2000, (#68) me feels verry verry dumb, pat, 19:28:36, 5/19/2000, (#70) so....., becky, 14:01:17, 5/20/2000, (#79) My vote...., Policedog, 19:22:53, 5/19/2000, (#69) Omigawd, Denver!!, Slinky, 19:31:14, 5/19/2000, (#71) Oh My Gawd, Shamrockpati, 20:24:09, 5/19/2000, (#73) darby, FT, 20:15:57, 5/19/2000, (#72) FT, darby, 20:48:38, 5/19/2000, (#74) Darby, I agree, NOVA, 21:28:53, 5/20/2000, (#82) Piece by piece, FT, 21:21:17, 5/19/2000, (#76) Lies and Intimidation, Imbackon, 00:45:14, 5/20/2000, (#77) FT, darby, 13:45:10, 5/20/2000, (#78) darby, perfectly, stryker, 14:24:55, 5/20/2000, (#81) Darby/imbackon I have a different take on it, becky, 14:19:32, 5/20/2000, (#80) ................................................................... "something HINKY...Thread #2" Posted by Policedog on 14:29:38 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:29:38, 5/19/2000 Carry on here, please... Edited to add: Maybe we can go from here: 73. "Bill Ritter" Posted by CommonSense on 14:27:22 5/19/2000 Who is Bill Ritter? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Lake" Posted by darby on 14:35:39 5/19/2000 Is that true about Tom Haney's son? Very sad, I knew the Haneys back in high school (and one of them personally)--a big family with lots of cops. Lake, I have an honest question for you. Do you know something, REALLY know something--in terms of what happened to JBR? Do you want to see justice in this case? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Becky" Posted by maxi on 14:38:58 5/19/2000 How could some of MW's family be black and not see it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "maxi" Posted by becky on 14:55:27 5/19/2000 I was referring to this post.... The people in Pittsburg" Posted by lecarl on 13:45:56 5/16/2000 are black. In fact, the entire Boykin family in Contra Costa county is black. Are you sure they have a connection to FW and/or the MW? For some reason, I can't see it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Chris" Posted by Tedleg on 14:39:24 5/19/2000 Is your concern regarding MW related to the fact that she is associated by family ties with an individual who has, in the past, tried to manipulate attention toward someone other than the true murderer of JBR? Is that what you think MW (and family member) are doing to FW? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Tedleg" Posted by maxi on 14:45:33 5/19/2000 Wouldn't it be more in the ex-poster's interest to steer suspicion AWAY from FW and back toward the Rams? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Maxi" Posted by Tedleg on 14:52:59 5/19/2000 Perhaps. But the point that is being lost, I think, is that one who is engaged in this sort of manipulation potentially (note, I say potentially)knows who the real murderer is, no matter who that person is. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "darby" Posted by lake on 14:45:28 5/19/2000 The only ones that do not want to see justice done in this case are those that a laying down false trails leading to the Ramseys for the morons that follow the false trails blindly. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "If anyone is interested..." Posted by Byron on 14:57:51 5/19/2000 ...I've typed up the Rocky Mountain News editorial about the case, which wasn't in the online version, on today's Boyles thread. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Thank you, Byron..." Posted by Slinky on 15:12:02 5/19/2000 You're as thoughtful as ever, Byron. Thank you for remembering all of us news deprived people that aren't in that immediate Boulder/Denver area. That was very considerate of you to go through all that trouble. It's so nice to see you back here again, Byron! Glad you're posting again. How's your daughter doing? Hugs, Slinky [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Hello Slinky" Posted by Byron on 15:18:22 5/19/2000 She's doing fine. Having some teenage moments, but much better now than when we were going through two surgeries for a bone tumor on her big toe. The first time it grew right back, so the next time they had to take off about half the toe. Everything seems to be fine now, thankfully. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Interesting" Posted by lake on 15:15:22 5/19/2000 That the establishment media in the Boulder area seem to want this case to just go away. Forget the nut case from Ca. who makes public claims about the friends of the Ramseys who were at a dinner party hours prior to the murder of JBR. The attitude of that editorial writer seems to be that he knows and trusts the BPD and their ability to conduct a through, unbiased investigation into the MW claims. This editorial writer is either a blooming idiot or he is just pulling his/her readers leg. The power of the press at work again. The writer of this editorial is either a lier or a moron. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Not all that hinky" Posted by Luvsbeagles on 15:25:09 5/19/2000 Forgive me, but I dont see what is all that hinky here. We know that MW is somehow related to FW's family. The mystery poster is somehow related to MW. Therefore,(if my algebraic equasions come back to me) mystery poster must be somehow related to FW. So perhaps he assumed that FW would be testifying for the GJ, thought he might be able to meet with him and wanted to share what he felt were "good theories" from posters here with him. What is "hinky" about that? I assume that lots of people who are on the fringe of being related or friends with major people involved in this case read these forums. They probably share theories and rumors with them all the time. The only difference here was that this poster thought this relative was going to testify and might have been able to work some theories into what was said for the Grand Jurors. If I am missing something, let me know. I have changed my 5th dirty diaper today and my mind is mush. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Chris are you trying to....." Posted by Shamrockpati on 15:37:02 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:37:02, 5/19/2000 drive us all crazy here? LOL I wracked my brain and could only come up with one name and it was mentioned here earlier.....MM a/k/a Frank Coffman? Is that the person? MM has done a 360 degree turn and has gone completely bonkers the past year. And he and Jan were somewhat of an item I thought? There has been a lot of very "hinky" chit going on in this case the past 3 years and at this point I don't know who to believe anymore. I still subscribe to the Patsy did it....theory although ST's theory is part of mine there is more too it....JMHO. Never ever thought of an intruder/sick/puppy crap. And never thought of Fleet White or his family. I reserve any judgement on MW "Briget" since I don't know her or have seen her. I tend to base some of my judgement of seeing and hearing a person's face and body language to decide if in my humble opinion they are truthful or plain bold faced liers. So Chris what is the purpose of the "hinky" thread? It get us to guess the mystery poster or what? Just wondering? Auntie BJ....what are you doing LOL...."spade" LOL you just threw monkey wrench into my guess....LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Here is my last hint" Posted by AuntieBJ on 15:30:20 5/19/2000 65. "Well Let's see..........." Posted by AuntieBJ on 14:16:51 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:16:51, 5/19/2000 Sounds like we are playing a game of cards. Let's see, there are Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs and Spades. Which card should we draw? The heart was on JonBenet's hand The diamond was on Patsy's finger The club was in the back yard Where was the Spade? Another hint: Isn't there a song named "Mrs.Robinson?" or is it "Mrs.Jones?" or is it "Mr.Robinson?" or was it "Mrs.Smith?" Nobody seems to know. I think the Beatles sang it or was it the BeeGee's? Clues, clues, [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL AuntieBJ ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "I can't stand it...." Posted by Policedog on 15:46:47 5/19/2000 I could swear it was another band..... modern band... um.... alternative, I think they call it. Sorry, I just HAD to play. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Oh good grief!!" Posted by Luvsbeagles on 15:45:16 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:45:16, 5/19/2000 Its Dustin Hoffman isnt it? (Not to be confused with Frank Coffman) He was the one with Mrs. Robinson. (sorry) Arent there enough problems with this case without riddles too?!! lol. You know...it used to be that the biggest person I wanted to ask questions of was Fleet White. Maybe Linda Arndt. It is now you JW babes who are holding out on us. Maybe if you told us everything you knew (do it in code...a=1, b=2) we could actually be helpful. Luvvy Edited to add...personally I think John Malchovik is involved somehow. He seems to be everywhere lately. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Luvsbeagles" Posted by Sioux on 16:33:21 5/19/2000 **Edited to add...personally I think John Malchovik is involved somehow. He seems to be everywhere lately.** Boy this deserves a thread of its own.Don't forget that he was in "Empire of the Sun" with that kid that when grown, went to do "American Psycho". Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "are you thinking of an old fifties song" Posted by pat on 15:43:00 5/19/2000 about a tall guy? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Auntie," Posted by Househazard on 15:50:06 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:50:06, 5/19/2000 Are these clues to the same hat, or are you giving us clues to 3 of the 4 hats? Dustin Hoffman! LOL I had to laugh at that one! Edited to ask: Are we really allowed to guess or is this supposed to stay hush-hush? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "The clue is.........." Posted by AuntieBJ on 16:33:33 5/19/2000 To "one" hat I would say the name but I don't know if "they" want the name listed out here on the forum. The poster in question was a member of this forum as well as the now closed Boulder News Forum when "he" left the forums. That was back around March 3, 1999. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL AuntieBJ ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "don't tell me" Posted by Edie Pratt on 15:46:39 5/19/2000 it's Joe Dimaggio, right? Or, is it Pasta Jay with a "club"? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "And then " Posted by Florida on 15:52:12 5/19/2000 along came ..... slow walking ..... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Florida LOL" Posted by shana on 16:11:28 5/19/2000 Yer coastin' right along [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "and then along came..." Posted by Luvsbeagles on 15:57:27 5/19/2000 Mary? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "along came?" Posted by pat on 16:01:50 5/19/2000 paul? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "along came the rain" Posted by Edie Pratt on 16:09:21 5/19/2000 and washed the spider out... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Blanks?" Posted by janphi on 16:08:00 5/19/2000 Me and Missus, Missus.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. ".... Twas at the" Posted by Slinky on 16:27:25 5/19/2000 bottom of the sea... where pirates... and sailors... were never to be free... Slinky [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Missus" Posted by shana on 16:14:33 5/19/2000 /o~...got a thing going on /o~ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "JONES" Posted by Luvsbeagles on 16:13:06 5/19/2000 ....we had a "thing" (a hinky thing) going ooooooonnnnnnn. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "ROFL!!!" Posted by Policedog on 16:19:36 5/19/2000 You guys are too funny! But check out Counting Crows sometime. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Policedog" Posted by lee2 on 16:41:39 5/19/2000 I know the song by Counting Crows - Mrs. Jones. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "By the way" Posted by lee2 on 16:42:23 5/19/2000 Do you think Kathie Lee Gifford could sign on to sing this "name that tune/poster" thread? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "the spade" Posted by pat on 16:30:28 5/19/2000 as in shovel? Was there a shovel hidden somewhere,,like maybe somebody dug a whole. I have my daughters who know every song ever sung for the last three decades working on this. One keeps asking if an eleanor rigby is involved. On my way to search song lyrics,,,now where is napster when you really need him. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "One of the greatest lyrics sites is" Posted by lee2 on 16:45:38 5/19/2000 http://www.lyrics.ch It has been modified of late - because of copyright laws, etc. - but it is still an excellent lyrics search site. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Long" Posted by Florida on 16:41:59 5/19/2000 Tal Sally was my hearts desire.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "The only thing" Posted by lake on 16:39:55 5/19/2000 that made the poster Spade different from any other wing nut was that he knew and was possibly related to Fleet White in same way. But he was spinning a yarn to keep the focus on the Ramseys. Hell, Fleet White seems to have been feeding crap to Judith Phillips, Steve Thomas and the Tabloids through middlemen. Even Darnay Hoffman was and is in the loop. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "2 guesses" Posted by South on 16:39:00 5/19/2000 There was a poster with the hat Spade once. There was also a mrkindig. I can't remember anymore dirt moving hats. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Lake, answer me please...." Posted by Slinky on 16:59:26 5/19/2000 I'm serious lake, I'm not goofing around now as I usually have been lately, and not posting on case. I'm really interested in your honest opinion on this.... In your reference to Fleet White feeding crap to Judith Phillips, Steve Thomas, and the Tabloids, are you referring to this only in the context of JBR's murder, or are you now looking at a bigger picture concerning FW and MW's allegations? I'd honestly like to hear your thoughts on this lake; I'm not trying to entrap you, or anything like that. It's a straight question. Slinky [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Slinky" Posted by lake on 17:36:05 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:36:05, 5/19/2000 You can't entrap me. You are not that smart. Greeny is so dumb that she thinks she can nail things down from my posts. She actually thinks I know the Ramseys. But of course FW was feeding misinformation to morons and others to keep the focus of the investigation on the Rs and off his dirty laundry. And I suspose it helps if powerfull people in the Boulder area have their dirty laundry mixed in you your dirty laundry to some degree. Nobody is going to be charged with the murder of JBR. The only people who seem to want to keep the investigation alive rather than buried with JBR is the child's parents. Go figure that one. Thanks R/s: I corrected the spelling of morons for the morons. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Awww lake...." Posted by Slinky on 19:17:23 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:17:23, 5/19/2000 Now was it really necessary for you to be so insulting to me?? Don't shortchange me, lake; just because I like to goof around. I'm a hell of alot smarter than you give me credit for, and a hell of alot more astute than you might think. I'm here talking to you seriously about something that not many others will talk seriously with you about, aren't I? :-) Now, why don't you apologize; be civil; and let's have a discussion about this, huh? I agree with you, lake, concerning there being alot more to Fleet White than meets the eye at first glance. I posted on this very thing a few months ago, that there's much more than just wealth, but also power in some very prominent places that's holding tongues still and keeping the focus on the Ramseys for JBR's murder. I asked who else among the wealthy and elite of Boulder and area had young children from approx. the age of 4 to about 13 or 14 ... primarily females?? .... I asked what these people's relationships were to the Ramseys, and how they interacted amongst themselves?? In each different guilty scenerio you can think of, look at the large picture and see just WHO stands to loose the most, and why?? IMHO, then maybe we'd have a better understanding of why there are DA's who are soft on violent crimes, there appear to be cops who botch basic procedure, don't pursue all the evidence, and don't seem to follow all leads ... and turn almost a blind eye and a deaf ear on possible leads. Why?? Do any of these people have something to loose if speculation of a suspect isn't focused immediately, and kept focused there and away from others?? I think that's possible. Don't misunderstand me lake, unlike you, I do fully believe that the Ramseys are indeed involved in their daughter's death. I also believe that there's a much bigger picture that needs to be fit together. I feel that there might be a case of the Ramseys also being involved, along with other wealthy and very influential people, pillars of the community, if you will, in something possibly dark, dirty, and quite widespread. Are the Ramseys being "sacrificed" for the greater good of a larger group?? I can see this being a feasible possibility. Afterall, we have Patsy saying something to the effect of, "We didn't mean for this to happen". If the Ramseys are involved in their daughter's murder, which I believe they are, as well as possibly being involved in something bigger and equally as horrific, I very much can envision them saying to someone in a position of authority and control ... "If you don't find some way to make this "non-eventful" for us and we go down for JBR's murder, you're all coming down with us. Fear can be a powerful tool, as MW has alluded to. Amongst others in this case, I also think that there's something quite odd about Fleet White's behavior and attitude towards the entire Ramsey family. He appears to be trying to steer even the mildest natural focus away from himself and keep it focused snugly on the Ramseys. WHY?? It seems to me that when people act this way, they're possibly trying to hide or to camaflouge something. If you believe that FW's behavior has been a bit odd and find that in itself suspect, then what could he possibly be trying to divert attention from?? Is he or his family indeed involved in some henous, dark activities that it would be catastrophic for them all as a family of wealth if these activities were to become known?? .... Or, could it simply be that FW's business dealings either on his own, or perhaps even some possible business ventures with JR or other wealthy, prominent people are not quite what they seem. Or, a combination of both?? There could be so many different variables here. Why was FW shouting the loudest and the most adament about the Ramseys being charged for JBR's death quickly in the earliest days of the investigation?? Was this one way to subvert any attention from being focused farther around in their circle of friends?? Why did FW suddenly disappear with nary a peep from him or his family once MW came public with her allegations concerning some of FW's family members and possible child abuse?? Why hide now?? ..... unless you want to keep a low profile to assure that nothing in your own life is examined too closely?? Has this now gotten a bit too close for comfort for FW, since MW has come forward? I find that I have an awful lot of questions concerning FW, as well as many other prominant people in that Boulder society. While I firmly believe that FW's family and MW might have absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with JBR's murder, I still have enough suspicions to wonder just WHAT FW might not want to become known concerning all this now that MW has come into the picture. Seems to me that, that family doesn't want the "spotlight" in any way shining on them...... WHY?? Whether you believe MW claims about the White family or not is really irrelevant. You can even believe that MW is totally lying about all her claims, and still have to be able to account for the noticable difference in FW's behavior prior to vs. after MW's appearance. The point is that since she has come public with these allegations, the White family, as well as others ARE acting differently than they were prior to MW's release of statements on her behalf. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "Lake" Posted by Ruthee on 18:31:01 5/19/2000 Speaking of dirty laundry. Maybe you have considered that JBR was on the back steps the night of the 23rd upset because she wasn't pretty because; she soiled her pants. Her mom sure would have a little to say to her about that. I'm sure that due to your superior intellect that you may have considered that JonBenet was "wiped down" the night of her murder not to remove semen or saliva, but; feces. You and I both know that bed wetting means nothing to Patsy Ramsey, but soiling your panties and messing your bed just gets to be too much for some people. Maybe you have thought about what may happen if Patsy climbed the stairs with JonBenet behind her and discovered as she dressed JonBenet for bed that she had messed herself again. Not while sleeping...no excuses...did it on purpose. Do you think all hell might break lose? I believe it did. I can see in my mind what must have happened in that bedroom. JonBenet never had a chance to mess her bed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "WHOA!!" Posted by Sioux on 17:25:46 5/19/2000 Everyone please jogg to post 45. It's an incredible piece of .....work. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "But, Slinky" Posted by lake on 17:21:16 5/19/2000 JBR is dead. Think about the image of Boulder. This could hurt the tourist trade. People will think Boulder if full or preverts and molest and kill little girls. The Rameys were not from Boulder and they have gone back to Ga. Just let them take the heat and don't mess up any more lives in Colorado. Especially not Boulder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "LOL! ... lake" Posted by Slinky on 19:13:02 5/19/2000 LOL! Now I know that you're not one of the Ramseys, lake! If you are, you just misspelled your own last name in your post 49! Slinky [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "candidates" Posted by pat on 16:47:23 5/19/2000 dis-man? Was there one named tallpaul? Come on auntie bj,,this is friday fer god's sake and some of us have lives. Like I have to get my jammies on to watch wash week in review and would like to know this before then. It is interesting as hell that chris was being courted by an internet creepie with ties to MW. This is incredible and before MW ever came out. Got me to thinking about sbtc which is a web site,,sbtc.org as someone posted. Isn't san bernadino where some of the fab boykins hail from or in that area. Maybe the sb of sbtc is sanbernadino the cult. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "I thought it was Santa Barbara" Posted by lee2 on 16:50:51 5/19/2000 which is up the coast from LA. San Bernadino is in what is known as the "inland empire" - on the way to Las Vegas and/or Palm Springs off the 10. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Thanks to all the riddles and clues--" Posted by LurkerXIV on 16:58:05 5/19/2000 I have had an AHA! moment. Chris is talking about the poster spade, aka pinkfreud, who is really a creep named Tal Jones--the OTHER Boulder gadfly. This guy and I went around many times on J7 and JW. He is just the sort of reptile one would expect to be found delving into kiddie porn and child sex rings. No wonder Chris fell off her chair. The above is My Opinion Only. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "To PoliceDog" Posted by lee2 on 16:54:24 5/19/2000 I'm sorry - I realized what BDI meant by the end of that other thread . . . Now I am - confirmedly - on this secondary thread wracking my brain trying to remember if the Counting Crows sang about Mrs. Jones or Mr. Jones. That's the problem when you can remember songs from too many eras . . . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "Oh, Lee2" Posted by Policedog on 19:10:56 5/19/2000 I'm sorry. My post wasn't directed straight at you. I'm sorry if you took it that way. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Laughing and crying in Pennsylvania!" Posted by MrsBrady on 17:08:12 5/19/2000 No doubt - this is the funniest and saddest thread in all creation! I'm having one of those Homer Simpson DOH! moments...like spank me and call me Sally...hooooollleeey CHIT! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Give that girl..." Posted by Slinky on 17:06:55 5/19/2000 a Cewpie Doll! LurkerXIV, you win the Cewpie Doll prize today! ... And, at the price they're bringing in nowadays on the secondary market, that t'aint a half bad prize! :-) How's that new wee one doing??? Did they leave to go back to Africa yet? Slinky [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Thank you Lurker!" Posted by Househazard on 17:16:06 5/19/2000 NOW could someone tell me what a gadfly is? We don't have to play cryto-craze with it if you don't want, you can just spill it right out!! LOL MrsBrady, in what part of PA are you? I grew up 60 miles SE of Pittsburgh :) Beautiful state!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Gadfly - defined" Posted by lee2 on 17:32:58 5/19/2000 gadfly n., pl. 1 any of several large flies, as the horsefly, that bite livestock 2 a person who annoys others, esp. by rousing them from complacency [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Impressions" Posted by reporter on 17:15:43 5/19/2000 I was at the Boulder confab and now, as then, I am a bit on the outside looking in. that is ok, but I hope this comes clearer. At that meeting Byron and I were sort of left on our own as more important things happened. I am always so amazed when I later hear all the things I missed! Byron and I, however, spent a few hours with a marvelous source, once whose astute observations have been right on as the years have passed. She was elderly...but she was sharp and she knew all the players. And she had Alex Hunter pegged from the beginning. Now, as to the rest of the mysterious goings on, someone will have to come right out and tell me who you are talking about. One thing I have noticed on this forum. We are often led around by the nose by those very adept in leading. If we were all together for real, we still might not all agree, but we would have a lot more information about a spokesman for a particular point of view than we do now. Carry on! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Lake" Posted by Real Stormy on 17:33:26 5/19/2000 So Fleet White was feeding information to Mormons?Does this mean the killer lives in Salt Lake City? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Heh-heh, RS!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 17:38:14 5/19/2000 And does all that dirty laundry have anything to do with the Mormons' SECRET UNDERWEAR??? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Lurkster--" Posted by Real Stormy on 17:53:00 5/19/2000 By George, we've got it! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Glad to be of service..LOL!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 17:30:31 5/19/2000 Househazard, hi! A gadfly is an insect that stings cattle, or, metaphorically, an annoying person. Tal Jones is well known around and about Boulder, and is thought of in much the same way as Frank Coffman (Masked Man). Both are eccentric, curmudgeonly, egocentric, know-it-all, borderline personalities. (In other words, the Town Crazies!) I felt sorry for all you newbies and betweenies trying to figure this out,so I thought I'd 'splain a little. I never believed that Tal Jones was really dangerous, though. I should think that BPD would laugh him off, as they do JT Colfax. He is the neighborhood grouch, and his relationship to MW seems rather tenuous. (I posted it on another Hinky thread). slinky, HI! The babe is still here. She's gained a whole pound and is filling out nicely. They go back to Africa on June 10. Thanks for asking. Mrs. B., You have to laugh to keep from crying, and you can't tell the players without a scorecard. AND HENCE, all these hinky threads. I wish I knew as much about Astronomy, or Egyptology, or Quantum Physics as I know about this case and its peripheral personalities! Then I would get a life! ROFL!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "Lurker XIV" Posted by Sioux on 20:50:04 5/19/2000 **Tal Jones is well known around and about Boulder, and is thought of in much the same way as Frank Coffman (Masked Man). Both are eccentric, curmudgeonly, egocentric, know-it-all, borderline personalities. (In other words, the Town Crazies!) I felt sorry for all you newbies and betweenies trying to figure this out,so I thought I'd 'splain a little.** Actually I have something to confess: I am a newbie here, but I posted before for a few months in Websleuths, and one of the first clearly weird personnalities that annoyed me (there were just 2) was this MM. He was such a manipulator! he would never answer a straight question and would go on and on rambling about how wonderful these Ramseys were as parents . He was way out there let me tell you. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "I'm getting restless..." Posted by AutumnBorn on 17:57:32 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:57:32, 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:53:57, 5/19/2000 could the card be A K-K-K-K-ing, anybody? A Seal is as black as a spade? Sometimes a spade is simply a spade? Good grief. Edited: Yeah. D-d-d-d-dam sp-p-p-p-peech impediment. I read some of the archives...strange stuff. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Gosh, Autumnborn," Posted by Real Stormy on 17:54:19 5/19/2000 I never noticed before that you stutter! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Lurker & Lee" Posted by Househazard on 17:58:37 5/19/2000 Thank you, thank you very much. I thought maybe it was a regional thing. I guess I could have looked it up. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "No problem, Househazard!" Posted by lee2 on 18:00:41 5/19/2000 I keep my Webster's New World on the taskbar at all times. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Jesus!" Posted by Ruthee on 18:17:40 5/19/2000 Now I don't know who in the hell everyone is talking about. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "My God, Lake" Posted by darby on 18:15:34 5/19/2000 Keep talking. I'm listening. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "Speaking of gadflies.." Posted by darby on 18:33:33 5/19/2000 Has anybody figured out why Masked Man did an about face? Is there anyone in God's green earth who thinks MM truly believes the Rams are innocent? Has anyone noticed that for the first time in the history of these forums, some of the the BORG are on the same page as some of the SWAMP people? The sleuthing going on here, there and everywhere regarding MW is amazing. Imagine the power of all the conflicting forums pulling together for once to untangle this MW/WHITE/JBR thing? If there's anything to this, I bet we'll be seeing a lot of nervous people out there... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "Brady, you illustrious diva, you!" Posted by Policedog on 18:57:19 5/19/2000 You had me laughing so hard my family came in to see what was so funny!!! Of course, not having read at least three HINKY threads, they just could not appreciate how G-D funny your post was, but I LMAO!!! Thank you! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "LOL Brady" Posted by Denver on 19:19:47 5/19/2000 We will just start calling you Homer Brady! Or how about Ho Brady for short? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "me feels verry verry dumb" Posted by pat on 19:28:36 5/19/2000 you old geezers, for this thread, must be having such a laugh at us newcomers and I have been here a year. Keep thinking that the boykins were reported as being black and now we have a spade clue. Is that related. And was there anyone who wanted an ace of spades,,any hats named ace or is the person now ided for sure,,,the boulder gadfly. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "so....." Posted by becky on 14:01:17 5/20/2000 who is the joker? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "My vote...." Posted by Policedog on 19:25:05 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:25:05, 5/19/2000 Is fo Ho. But that's just me.... Edited to properly capitalize. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Omigawd, Denver!!" Posted by Slinky on 19:31:14 5/19/2000 LOL! Ho Brady!! Now, that was a Depends moment! Sorry for laughing Maw, but that was just too funny! Weren't "Ho-Ho's" some sort of a cupcakey snack thing years ago?? LOL! Slinky P.S. .... Just want to clarify that I do know that Denver's "Ho" reference was to an entirely different type of cupcake! LOL! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "Oh My Gawd" Posted by Shamrockpati on 20:24:09 5/19/2000 It has finally happened........Justice Watch has gone into a MELTDOWN That damm volcano has erupted and the lava (chit) is flowing and we can't put the cork back in............I'm melting, melting........... That's all folks...... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "darby" Posted by FT on 20:15:57 5/19/2000 You said, "Has anyone noticed that for the first time in the history of these forums, some of the BORG are on the same page as some of the SWAMP people?" To be perfectly honest, I can't help but wonder whether the swamp ilk are skillfully manipulating the borg ilk by using MW to deflect attention away from the real culprits in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey -- and away from the fact that the real culprits have skillfully squirmed their way out of their nationally publicized offer to take lie detector tests. "Yes, I would take a l-l-l-l-l-lie de-te-te-te-tector test." Patsy Ramsey, 20-20 Why have we allowed the swamp ilk and the RST (redundant?) to turn our attention away from the fact that the Ramseys have once again refused to cooperate with the investigation? I find the Ramseys' lame excuses very revealing, and I think we should keep the highest heat on the Ramseys. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "FT" Posted by darby on 20:48:38 5/19/2000 I still think the Ramseys are murderers. I just think that if MW's info has any bearing on anything, it may help to explain some of the reasons behind the murder. It might also help to nail more people than just the Ramseys. RST? Nah. That would be some mighty tricky spin control--to be able to dig up a semi-relative of FW, whose successfully-convicted abuser just happened to have garroted her in sexual abuse episodes years before, and be able to convince the woman's therapist of 10 years to go along with a plan to manufacture years of documentation so that they could create one whale of story to destroy an innocent man just to prove that the Ramseys are innocent. How could all that have happened? PLUS, think about just how stupid it would be for the RST to falsely accuse FW of being part of a multi-adult child sex ring who had routinely sexually abused and garroted children at holiday parties when the Ramseys spent JBR's last evening alive partying with these people. No, there are plenty of suspicious people around without having to go to those extremes while risking major scrutiny of one's self at the same time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "Darby, I agree" Posted by NOVA on 21:28:53 5/20/2000 with your post regarding suspicions of MW being a Ramsey spin plot as being very messy. There are better ways to deflect suspicion. While fantastic and unbelievable to many who view MW as a "goofball", "liar", "whacko", "Ramsey plant", etc., MW's claims of Ritual Abuse are not nearly as effective as the former poster Spade's BDI theories. Not that I ever found the BDI school of thought plausible, but I recall a few posters who really wanted to go with this idea possibly because the thought of a mother or father killing their child was too disturbing...about as disturbing as children who accuse their parents of sexual abuse. I sincerely believe that MW's therapist does have documentation of sexual abuse, garroting, involvement with and a relationship between MW's family and that of the White family, that goes back before JB was murdered. In the course of my volunteer work as a woman's advocate, I have come across the same sorts of intimidation tactics and threats from fellow family members to silence victims of incest and/or sexual abuse. I have also witnessed some of these scare tactics and have been accused of "planting memories" in the victim's heads by the very same intimidatators!!! That was so absurd. I only listen and offer help in whatever form I and my fellow volunteers can give to these poor women. On the few occasions that we (the victim, myself, and a legal representative of the center where I work) let the authorities know of the intimidation, little was done on the part of law enforcement to protect or press charges against the intimidators. (We did nail one jerk with a tap trace on the phone of the victim, but if the intimidators were more clever, wealthy or connected, well...) I'm not saying that MW is the key to JBR. But Chris' recent experience just adds more fuel to the MW fire as well as frustration to those of us who want a sense of closure and justice for those who have been intimidated and abused. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "Piece by piece" Posted by FT on 21:21:17 5/19/2000 I'm trying to see this the same way that you do, but putting it together piece by piece is hard because information is missing, sketchy, or scattered amongst different threads. From what I understand, the only completely solid information we have to work with is that MW and her lawyers successfully prosecuted one of her abusers about 20 years ago. Do we know for sure that the convicted abuser was connected to the White family? Do we know for sure that the therapist's 10 years of documentation implicate Fleet White, Jr.? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "Lies and Intimidation" Posted by Imbackon on 00:45:14 5/20/2000 The only other significant thing that MW said regarding THIS CASE, is that her Mother told her that she and her neice were at the Whites party. Why hasn't ANYONE figured this one out! Think about it, obviously MW'S mother is not a nice person. She has supposedly done things to MW that are absolutely evil. She want's MW to be quiet and cooperative. So why would it be so hard to believe that MW'S mother was lying to her that they were at the whites? Look at what can happen to you, she is saying. Maybe she is associated with Whites and that is all there is to it. It may have just been a convenient lie to tell MW when JBr who happened to know the whites was killed in such a horrific fashion. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "FT" Posted by darby on 13:45:10 5/20/2000 We know nothing officially for sure, except that the guy who MW put behind bars had garroted and molested her as a child, and her mother is FW Sr.'s goddaughter. The obvious knee-jerk conclusion might be that MW heard that JBR had been garroted and molested (and killed) after being at Fleet Jr.'s house, and so then after hearing about the murder, she retro-fitted her own experiences to force a connection between her experiences and JBR's. Easy conclusion to come to--MW must have been mentally ill due to years of abuse, plus she had been in therapy for ten years (red flag). Only problem is--contrary to what some posters have been saying, this woman has never brought false charges against anyone. The DA who helped her get Boykin behind bars believes in her credibility 100% to this day. The victim's advocates who accompanied her to Boulder last week find her totally credible. Her therapist was not into conjuring up false memories. And last but not least, 99% of what MW said about her abusers was documented before JBR's death. MW says she was abused in the same way JBR was by key figures in the Ramsey case and that she documented this well before the murder. All of this makes it pretty tough to conclude that MW jumped to false conclusions after the murder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "darby, perfectly" Posted by stryker on 14:24:55 5/20/2000 stated! ditto, ditto, ditto! i find it particularly offensive that MW continues to be accused of a history of making false allegations when it has been clearly stated (and more than plausible IMO) that previous allegations simply were not investigated thoroughly. ARGGGGGHHHHH! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "Darby/imbackon I have a different take on it" Posted by becky on 14:19:32 5/20/2000 I find this womans claims to be VERY credible. I think that is what is causing such a big problem. Before the MW...we all said kiddie sex abuse at the Whites and or Ramseys, nah, possible but not likely. Now we say...likely but how is it possible? Bigggg change...big problem. What I have noticed about MW is that she is the first to say she doesn't know what happened to jbr first hand. With her mothers history, there is a better than good chance that her mother was somehow involved in what happened that night. So...it would seem to me more like her mother is covering her own a-- or that MW is protecting her mother by blaming the man, or the son of the man she believes wronged her as a child. IN summary...in order to believe MW...we have to believe her mother..WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THIS WITCH? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]