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Is JW still the Forum of Record on the JBR case?, LurkerXIV, 19:37:21, 5/22/2001 Lurker, JR, 19:41:59, 5/22/2001, (#1) WOR, austingirl, 19:46:01, 5/22/2001, (#2) NO, Ruby, 20:19:35, 5/22/2001, (#3) JMHO, Bobby, 20:31:25, 5/22/2001, (#4) Lurker, pip, 20:39:15, 5/22/2001, (#5) jmho, Bitsy, 21:09:13, 5/22/2001, (#6) a brief comment, Longhorn, 22:44:24, 5/22/2001, (#7) the "real" story, Tomahawk, 23:18:17, 5/22/2001, (#8) Forager and Gatherer, MrsBrady, 03:24:18, 5/23/2001, (#9) Ma, starry, 03:54:12, 5/23/2001, (#10) Bullies?, Watching you, 04:06:47, 5/23/2001, (#11) good morning, Bitsy, Scully, 07:43:38, 5/23/2001, (#14) Ramspin, JR, 07:23:31, 5/23/2001, (#12) YES, YES, YES!, Greenleaf, 07:32:10, 5/23/2001, (#13) Good posts, JR, 07:53:19, 5/23/2001, (#15) my vote, 1000Sparks, 08:02:07, 5/23/2001, (#16) Definitely forum of record, ayelean, 08:43:03, 5/23/2001, (#17) hear! hear!, Hence4th, 10:03:31, 5/24/2001, (#62) Well, Okay, Ayleen, Chatter, 07:51:21, 5/24/2001, (#55) Gotcha Chatter, ayelean, 08:23:29, 5/24/2001, (#56) Thank you all, LurkerXIV, 09:18:50, 5/23/2001, (#18) Well, I guess, Ev, 10:06:17, 5/23/2001, (#20) Clicking My Heels...., Voyager, 09:50:37, 5/23/2001, (#19) you go , girl, Bobby, 11:59:15, 5/23/2001, (#23) thank you, Bitsy, 10:45:15, 5/23/2001, (#21) I Was..., shadow, 11:06:19, 5/23/2001, (#22) Why I choose JW, Mini, 12:38:09, 5/23/2001, (#25) I don't know what, Watching you, 12:13:20, 5/23/2001, (#24) Room for everybody, JR, 13:50:34, 5/23/2001, (#26) WY.... what JR said..., Britt, 14:18:57, 5/23/2001, (#27) Britt, JR, 14:28:45, 5/23/2001, (#28) Britt, Watching you, 14:42:46, 5/23/2001, (#29) ..for the sadness that sleeps, Sixpence, 16:13:03, 5/23/2001, (#30) Your poems......., stu, 13:17:13, 5/24/2001, (#64) So Newbies are welcome here?, Show Me, 17:08:55, 5/23/2001, (#31) Honesty, watchin', 19:39:38, 5/23/2001, (#34) Infamous, ayelean, 18:52:18, 5/23/2001, (#32) Reverse Solomon, darby, 20:06:27, 5/23/2001, (#37) Show Me, JR, 19:31:35, 5/23/2001, (#33) Watchin, JR, 19:57:05, 5/23/2001, (#36) ..listen, Sixpence, 19:55:40, 5/23/2001, (#35) Watchin On, Thor, 20:37:31, 5/23/2001, (#38) Ideas, watchin', 21:51:20, 5/23/2001, (#39) Watchin, JR, 22:08:38, 5/23/2001, (#40) Watchin, JR, 22:14:48, 5/23/2001, (#41) Response to Pedro, Thor, 22:43:34, 5/23/2001, (#42) Thor, darby, 23:02:55, 5/23/2001, (#44) Thor, JR, 22:59:17, 5/23/2001, (#43) JR, Thor, 23:10:53, 5/23/2001, (#45) Thor, JR, 23:14:46, 5/23/2001, (#46) JR, watchin', 23:23:58, 5/23/2001, (#50) JR, Thor, 23:19:27, 5/23/2001, (#48) JR, Thor, 23:18:14, 5/23/2001, (#47) Say Good night Thor, JR, 23:21:07, 5/23/2001, (#49) Thanks, JR, Show Me, 05:12:19, 5/24/2001, (#51) Darby, Watching you, 06:15:07, 5/24/2001, (#52) Watching You, Greenleaf, 06:25:47, 5/24/2001, (#53) Watching You, Bets, 07:24:25, 5/24/2001, (#54) WY, Tricia, 08:29:58, 5/24/2001, (#57) Wy,, Florida, 08:36:08, 5/24/2001, (#58) nailed it at the end, fly, 08:50:17, 5/24/2001, (#59) I disagree, FT, 09:31:02, 5/24/2001, (#60) Darby, Scully, 09:36:24, 5/24/2001, (#61) FT, fly, 10:48:06, 5/24/2001, (#63) I see, darby, 14:05:48, 5/24/2001, (#65) Darby, Watching you, 14:23:00, 5/24/2001, (#66) WY,, LurkerXIV, 14:25:42, 5/24/2001, (#68) If you saw that , Watching you, 14:24:47, 5/24/2001, (#67) Watching You, South, 14:57:35, 5/24/2001, (#69) South , mary99, 15:05:29, 5/24/2001, (#70) Reminds me of a, JR, 15:51:31, 5/24/2001, (#72) Hey, Mary 99, Jellyjaws, 15:46:02, 5/24/2001, (#71) L-XIV & Fly, Gemini, 16:28:05, 5/24/2001, (#74) Controlled Environments?, shadow, 16:20:30, 5/24/2001, (#73) Absolutely, momo, 17:30:04, 5/24/2001, (#75) im a new poster, purrplepassion, 18:08:11, 5/24/2001, (#76) Purrplepassion, momo, 18:51:29, 5/24/2001, (#77) thanks momo, purrplepassion, 18:47:34, 5/25/2001, (#87) purrplepassion: your post #76, Hence4th, 19:07:05, 5/24/2001, (#79) thanks hence4th, purrplepassion, 18:56:16, 5/25/2001, (#89) thanks JfJBR, purrplepassion, 19:03:20, 5/24/2001, (#78) Welcome, newbies!, LurkerXIV, 20:20:30, 5/24/2001, (#80) thanks to lurker, purrplepassion, 18:49:59, 5/25/2001, (#88) omg, FT, 21:01:26, 5/24/2001, (#81) to FT from purr, purrplepassion, 18:46:24, 5/25/2001, (#86) Oh, okay, purr, FT, 19:10:02, 5/25/2001, (#91) i dont get it , purrplepassion, 19:30:54, 5/25/2001, (#92) Now, now, FT..., LurkerXIV, 21:10:05, 5/24/2001, (#82) LXIV, FT, 21:36:55, 5/24/2001, (#83) objectivity, Hence4th, 22:03:48, 5/24/2001, (#84) My feeling is..., A.K., 05:53:17, 5/25/2001, (#85) FT, Lurker, AK, v_p, 19:05:34, 5/25/2001, (#90) ....hahaha, jonesy, 19:37:39, 5/25/2001, (#93) everyone is so cynical, purrplepassion, 19:45:58, 5/25/2001, (#94) Wondering where Hence4th is, JR, 19:49:45, 5/25/2001, (#95) ................................................................... "Is JW still the Forum of Record on the JBR case?" Posted by LurkerXIV on 19:37:21 5/22/2001 A good debate has started in the WOR, but not all posters go there. I would like to hear the opinions of all regular lurkers and posters. What say ye on this matter? 107. "But Shadow" Posted by Cassandra on 09:47:46 5/22/2001 The original JB Forum is too bland now that everyone is preaching to the choir. No disagreement, no spice and no fresh ideas make for a bland discussion. I miss the old JW forum. It's like the Swamp now. One idea, no differences. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 108. "Cassie" Posted by JR on 15:35:36 5/22/2001 I disagree that there aren't new ideas and differences of opinion - there are plenty of both, they simply aren't continually laced with innuendoes about FW/NK. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 109. "JR...I'm with you on this..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 19:29:49 5/22/2001 ...just look at tonight's discussion on replication of DNA and its implications in the new testing of case evidence. Then look at janphi's "outing" of Suzanne Goebel and her many "front" companies. And how she may have been the moving force behind the suspected fake burglary at the Vinings house. Then there was Mrs. Brady's thread on the PR Corp. that sends out moles to websites to manipulate public opinion for their clients...a company the Rams have a contract with. And don't forget austingirl's terrific thread on how the Ramseys have now hired the polltaker Zogby to further influence public opinion. JW is full of gems like this every day, for those who take the time to do a careful, critical reading of the material published here, and no where else on the Web. Thanks, Chris, for making this THE source of new info on the JBR case. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Lurker" Posted by JR on 19:41:59 5/22/2001 Well you already know my opinion. I think part of the problem is that the Spinteam has been here lately and it is time consuming to wade through their chit. Perhaps some posters don't have the time nor the tolerence which is what makes this continual spamming of the threads so sad - there has been some very good case analysis lately as you mentioned. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "WOR" Posted by austingirl on 19:46:01 5/22/2001 Just visited the WOR. To answer your question - I think that we've got a nice spicy bunch here at JW. I am impressed with the level of discourse (except by the trolls) and the intelligence and resourcefulness of our posters. I think that our goal of justice for a little girl named JonBenet is not shared by some of the other forums. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "NO" Posted by Ruby on 20:19:35 5/22/2001 110. "Cassie" Posted by Ruby on 19:37:07 5/22/2001 I agree and your "personality" is a definate miss even though we do not agree at all about politics. I am glad that everything turned out well for you and your hubby. really. We posted at the exact same time Lurker. It is my personal belief that this is not THE fourm anymore. Chris has jumped through hoops, in my opinion, for what? A blaned forum because some people just can not scroll. Then they have the nerve to go to Cybersleuths and bitch and come back here like this is there forum. Even though I did not post for obivious reasons, the old days were better. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "JMHO" Posted by Bobby on 20:31:25 5/22/2001 Everything is cyclic. The news is slow now but yes there have been quite a few new insights lately. Jan austin girl, Mrs B and others come here to shed light. Thanks for sharing to all others too- Greenie, Dunvegan & so many more. Now I am in trouble for not typing more. Yes it is still the best & fastest with news. Bless you all. Your ever lurking cheerleader Bobby [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Lurker" Posted by pip on 20:39:15 5/22/2001 I think so...in the end we seem to see through the smoke and put our energy where it makes a difference. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "jmho" Posted by Bitsy on 21:09:13 5/22/2001 I've come to this forum before anything else online for about 3 years. Lately it has been kind of dull. To be honest I think that Mame, Holly, Mary 99, and others were run off by bullies, and the forum is worse for it. When Mame and Toppcat did their Internet Broadcasts, I thought it was this great grassroots reporting, which was really exciting. I miss that. I also miss Panico and Ruthie:( Back to lurking. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "a brief comment" Posted by Longhorn on 22:44:24 5/22/2001 Years ago, I was starting an executive program with Neiman Marcus in Dallas(yes Neiman-Markup,lol). Anyway, at the time Stanley Marcus came to speak to our "class" and had a wonderful story that has stayed with me through they years that seems rather appropriate. Neiman's had been sold to a big corp and ,although still managed by the family was undergoing changes, as all businesses do in such circumstances. As he walked through the store one day, a well dressed familiar woman marched up to him and began a list of gripes about everything wrong with Neimans and that it simply wasn't the same as it was years before. He listened politely, then simply said, "Madame, that is true, but then again, neither you." This is still the forum of record and Chris is amazing in her fortitude, imo. Oh, one more thing, the cookie recipe is urban legend also. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "the "real" story" Posted by Tomahawk on 23:18:17 5/22/2001 let's face it, this case is in the hands of the lawyers and the media personalities. Good luck with an investigation and the truth. We all saw it coming and nobody is specifically to blame. If the Ramseys are guilty they have really handled the situation quite well. If they are truly innocent, then they have handled the whole affair in quite a bizarre manner. What do you think? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Forager and Gatherer" Posted by MrsBrady on 03:24:18 5/23/2001 It's part of my daily routine to scan between 4 and 7 JonBenet forums every morning. JusticeWatch is still the most fruitful tidbit grounds, with Cybersleuths coming in a close second, and I'm not saying that because these fora contain "what I want to hear". So what determines the "Forum-of-Record" crown? I would guess it would be, for members of multiple forums, lurkers, members of the media, etc, which forum would you check first if there was breaking news? Look at your bookmarks/favorites - which one is listed first? Look at your internet history file, which one has the most page-views? But considering how inactive the investigation is, we're restricted to discussing side-shows, does it really matter? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Ma" Posted by starry on 03:54:12 5/23/2001 You said it best! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Bullies?" Posted by Watching you on 04:06:47 5/23/2001 haha, well, I guess we're entitled to our opinions. Nobody ran anyone off. They wanted someone other than the choir to preach to so they left. They are actually quite welcome to post on this forum. I notice there is one who comes here regularly and I like her quite well. It's sort of difficult to have a decent conversation, though, because there are those who really hate us getting along. They want that discord and they perpetrate it. I think everyone ought to decide what they want. I just think it's pretty funny to have new hats coming in here and telling us how bad our forum has become. It's like scrolling - if y'all don't like it, don't come here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "good morning, Bitsy" Posted by Scully on 07:43:38 5/23/2001 Chris has provided several platforms for any forum member wishing to express an opinion, a theory, or an accusation whether it is a controversial topic or not. I must say that the characters you mentioned in your above post are some of the most strong-willed, opinionated, and unyielding personalities I have ever had the opportunity to meet on this forum. Do you honestly think they would suddenly cower and skulk away this easily due to a few heated exchanges with the so-called "bullies" on this forum? Think again, Bits. If they aren't posting then one must assume it is by choice or it could just be a simple matter of not having anything of value to comment on at the moment. I hardly think they are hunkered down in some corner of their homes whimpering and licking their wounds. They are made of much stronger stuff than that, doncha' think? I tried on multiple occasions (without success) to extract a logical scenario from these posters that would connect FW to the scene of the crime or the murder itself. I came to the conclusion that either they were unable to link him directly to the murder due to the lack of any supporting evidence or the possibility that some were made privy to information they were cautioned not to reveal. But bullies, Bitsy? Nah..... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Ramspin" Posted by JR on 07:23:31 5/23/2001 Pure and simple. If we can't be convinced to buy into Smitchit then try to cause dissension amongst the ranks no? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "YES, YES, YES!" Posted by Greenleaf on 07:37:32 5/23/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:37:32, 5/23/2001 Is Justice Watch the forum of record? There is no doubt in my mind that the answer is a resounding "YES!" The most intelligent minds are still to be found here. I am in awe of the many brilliant sleuthing minds that contribute to this forum. The depth and level of their talents is a source of constant amazement. Whereas I believe that other forums, too, have some most intelligent posters, JW is, imho, the BEST FORUM ON RECORD FOR THE RAMSEY CASE. Posters here are, by far, the greatest assemblage of sleuths on the internet. My fellow posters, much more astute than I, can weed out silly theories as fast as they can click a mouse. They can spot a phony a mile away and the Ram lawyers KNOW that they cannot, as hard as they try, fool JUSTICE WATCHERS. Over and above all that, there's an overriding, obvious observation. Justice Watch is occupied, for the most part, by honest, decent, caring, loving citizens, who are outraged by the murder of JBR. We hunger for justice, and hope that our expressions of concern, here, at JW, will be heard. Our goal is to bring the guilty parties before the bar of justice. Whenever one of our little fellow citizens is abused and/or murdered, we must raise our voices in protest. We must question, research, and voice our disgust when the powers- that- be drag their feet and make excuses. Yes, this forum is a remarkable, new sounding board for the masses, heretofore not available in times past. Those desiring to disrupt this forum are in the minority. They come forth with dubious agendas, repeating, at nauseum, illogical scenarios, oftentimes of the most egregious nature. But, Justice Watchers are not fooled. They know this case. They have seriously studied this case. They keep coming back to the parents. All roads lead to the parents. Greenleaf Thanks, Lurker XIV. Edited to add: THANKS, CHRIS. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Good posts" Posted by JR on 07:53:19 5/23/2001 Scully and Greenie. The important thing to me is to focus on the issues and not the personalities of the posters. Most of us know there are folks out there that simply rub us the wrong way. That's what scrolling is all about. Yes, it is difficult sometimes and sometimes we simply can't scroll but that is when it becomes most important to attack the issue or post without attacking the poster. When someone is really, really dumb, telling them they are really, really dumb isn't going to make them suddenly grow a brain or develop good ole Southern common sense. ;-\ As Granny use to say, "You can catch more flies with honey than vinger." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "my vote" Posted by 1000Sparks on 08:02:07 5/23/2001 Goes to Justice Watch, the forum of record. Remember how busy it gets when there is REAL news? Can't keep up with it. Thanks Chris. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Definitely forum of record" Posted by ayelean on 08:43:03 5/23/2001 Do we know the number of registered members? Lurkers sign in, please! You can only write so much, but until there is something new to write about I lurk more than post. A new Ramsey break-in might be nice. Other murders would have died on the vine, but the Ramseys won't let us down. They love the spin. When they invent the next blitz this forum will cook. I choose to be here, because for the most part, posters here know the difference between to and too, their and there, and their writing reflects their professionalism. If I want to know what a bunch of polly annas or bleeding hearts think, I'll go to Jams, if I want to know what a bunch of hotheads think I will go to CS. I love the challenge of reading thru a poster. Plant, flim-flam, Policeman, Detective, Physician, Journalist, etc. Well this is the place to be, for all of them. It would be insulting if the Rams didn't sent the brightest and best here. And, you know what? Their brightest and best arn't so good, so we've been right all along about Linwoodie, Louse, Stine, Patsy, et al. We are doing our job by just keeping the wound irritated, they will hang themselves with their rhetoric. We have to keep them talking. Rehashing is good, it inspires them to dig their graves deeper. Come out of lurk and add your two cents if only to let the Ramszees know we are not going away. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "hear! hear!" Posted by Hence4th on 10:03:31 5/24/2001 Excellent! You do have a way with words. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Well, Okay, Ayleen" Posted by Chatter on 07:51:21 5/24/2001 I hope this goes to the bottom, but I need to get it written before moving on through the other threads. Won't be able to remember through all of them what exactly I wanted to answer. I agree, Jams' site is Pollyannas and I hardly ever go to CS, will take your word for it they're hotheads, and JW has, ta da... humor! The minute something happens. WS is nice people. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Gotcha Chatter" Posted by ayelean on 08:23:29 5/24/2001 :-] [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Thank you all" Posted by LurkerXIV on 09:18:50 5/23/2001 for sharing your honest opinions. Bitsy, I miss them too! :( I'm sure they'll be back. Spring is such a busy season for everyone. And who knows...their theory may turn out to be the correct one. In a case as bizarre as this, with all its twists and turns, anything is possible. Ruby, I agree about the scroll button. I must learn to use it more often. Thanks for your very forthright opinion. Mrs. Brady, that's a pretty good measure of a forum's strength...which is on top in the bookmarks? JW is number one for me. Like you, I browse through five or six forums looking for case news almost every day, but JW is always Numero Uno. Greenie, I agree that JW has a most unique blend of posters with expertise in almost every area...from plumbing to footwear to DNA to medicine and law and much more. It's pretty hard for the Spin Team to float their lead balloons here. Thanks to Chris for her enormous patience, and to every single lurker and poster who desires true justice for JonBenet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Well, I guess" Posted by Ev on 10:06:17 5/23/2001 I must be the only poster here who doesn't give a literal "hoot in Hell" what any other forum does. In fact, I find it distasteful when some of that junk is brought in here for the rest of us to digest. If I want to go there and play in the sandpile, then I will, but I don't, so I won't. Out of curiousity when a topic sounds hot there, I have checked it out and it's always a bunch of childish name-calling. I left that behind too many years ago to want to recall. I don't like this topic even. Is this a popularity contest for heaven's sake? For those who don't like the "blandness" here, you know you don't have to come here, plain and simple. I continue to be astounded at the abilities to separate the wheat from the chaff that some of you do. There is an incredible amount of thought and discernment used to further your ideas and I find that fascinating. Yes, the case dies down from time to time with practically no waves on the water, but if we step back and take a look at the ocean of facts, that's when the case direction continues. Sometimes the revelations are amazing. So slowly do things take form that if Justice Watch as a community isn't there to truly "keep the watch," what would happen? I think we all know that the defensive side of this case must get a lot of information from the minds at work here. I truly feel bad every time a good poster is driven away because a troll comes in here to dissuade and create chaos. Occasionally I feel driven to the point of responding to them too, but the best thing is to just let their threads lay there with no respone. Afterwhile, it's not fun anymore and they will go off to play somewhere else. Enough of my blather! Chris, you know that I continue to appreciate everything you provide here. There have been a lot of changes since I have been here, but I'm not about to be run off just yet. Still missing Babe, Alipat, Panico and Ruthie. As others have stated, Justice for JonBenet Ramsey is why we are here. We are not here to critique other fora, or even other people. Another's opinion is theirs; we each have our own. In-fighting over opinions is fruitless. We may be able to kill one another, but we cannot kill ideas. Hitler tried that, and it didn't work. Carry on! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Clicking My Heels...." Posted by Voyager on 09:50:37 5/23/2001 And reciting...there's no place like home...there's no place like home.... I personally wish everyone would just come on home and let by-gones be by-gones....clearly label the MW and FW threads...and any overlaping posts involving those controversial issues, be moved to those labeled threads by the moderator on duty, so that those interested in that discussion can participate.... I take no issue with those desiring to discuss people or possibilities...just do not wish to participate in them any longer, and it seems there are a number here who agree with that... I like the idea of free speech, but I also like the choice of not having a theory that I do not espouse, shoved up my nose on every single thread, until I am made to buy it as truth... I am an advocate of the scroll button...but even that is not enough at times...still, I like the people on both sides of the fence, and I do think that all JW'ers should stick together....we have infleunce in our diversity and in our numbers... Any who actually have left, or who have stopped posting, should look at the bigger picture, and at the real purpose of this forum, JFJBR, and let go of their wounded egos, and return to give support and research where it can be seen and shared with the internet public....We are a force to be reccond with! (I know Lacey, I know!...the participle!) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "you go , girl" Posted by Bobby on 12:01:28 5/23/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:01:28, 5/23/2001 thanks V for common sense approach We know you miss us come on home. PS we know you are lurking too. Shadow, meant to mention. I like the life stories. I also enjoy reading both forums. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "thank you" Posted by Bitsy on 10:45:15 5/23/2001 Scully and Lurker. Lurker, I always read your posts, you're one of my faves. I'd also like to say that Chris does an amazing job and that this IS the "forum of record". This is the first place I have checked (even including non-Ramsey) for three years! (except during the election). I just wanted to express how I felt certain posters were treated because it bothers me. I didn't want to ruffle any feathers. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "I Was..." Posted by shadow on 11:06:19 5/23/2001 a "charter member" of the JW Forum, coming here after J-7 "tubed-it." I never visited any other JBR forums until the MW/FW flaming began. At that time, for a "change of pace," I started visiting CS. I found both forums interesting and informative. Although I avoid MW/FW threads, I still read at JW every day (when I'm in town). I seldom post anymore because I don't have much to offer that isn't based on my life's experiences - that some here find boring (which my ego can't stand). I believe that both JW and CS have lots to offer regarding the JBR case... I feel that I have many friends here and there and really don't believe that forum wars are necessary or productive. I, BTW, think moving the MW/FW stuff to another category was a good idea. I realize that we can scroll-on-by posts or threads we don't like (or don't wish to participate in), but IMO it's better in a separate place that can be easily avoided by those who wish to. Incidently, a year ago this question would not even have been considered - food for thought? shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Why I choose JW" Posted by Mini on 12:38:09 5/23/2001 For months I lurked at several fora until I realized that JW was the only one I really enjoyed. The reason? I found it to have by far the most intelligent postings and that's what I tell my family when they ask why I remain so interested. Sure, I roll my eyes when some go off on some weird tangent but for the most part it's right on target. I even enjoy Nedd and Ell (at least before they became so vicious) and can't understand why they think they can destroy or manipulate others' opinions. Don't they know that when challenged most communities will circle the wagons? I sometimes think the RST has hired minimum wage workers to insinuate their way in and don't realize how they stand out with their minimal communication skills. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "I don't know what" Posted by Watching you on 12:13:20 5/23/2001 the big deal was. Nobody had to leave. Nobody was forced to leave. There was a separate room made for the arbitrary FW/NK threads. They caused nothing but trouble on the main forum. It doesn't matter whose fault it was - the fact is, there nothing but fights about it. In the name of peace, all we asked was that they have a separate place to discuss all they wanted to and let the MAJORITY of us who did not want it in our faces all the time on every thread we opened or posted on, no matter the subject material, in peace to discuss subjects interesting to us. Those few posters who wanted to discuss the FW stuff were free to do so without our interference and visa versa. It was workable. The reason it did not work was because they really were not interested in discussing - they were interested in pushing it down our throats. When they were no longer able to do that, they left. I realize some here think it was a power play by a group of bullies, but nothing could be further from the truth. I personally have been called names, for some reason lost respect from a couple of posters (and I guess that's supposed to bother me), and otherwise been made to feel like I've done something wrong. Well, I'm going to tell you something. I've done nothing wrong. It should have worked out just fine. If posters have left, it only proves what I predicted would happen - they no longer can shove their garbage down our throats and they are pissed. They are mad at me, they are mad at a whole bunch of us who were fed up with the FW bashing. All they had to do was take that particular subject to the other room. It is offensive to the majority of us. They were and still are welcome to post in this room and when they feel the need to bash, they can take it into the other room. If my opinion means some think I am trying to run this forum, you are sadly mistaken. Frankly, I am getting real sick of the innuendoes and accusations. I'm a human being just like the rest of you. I have faults and I have principles. Most of all I have integrity. If that bothers you, I can't help it. And, there it is. All pissed off again. Can't win. Will this ever end? Maybe if I were not here everything would be normal again. Is that what you think? Judas. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Room for everybody" Posted by JR on 13:50:34 5/23/2001 W_Y-I think if you were not here we would miss some very good posting! Please let the innuendos roll off your shoulders. Most of us understand that no one was kicked off the forum or asked to leave. If they left, it was by choice plain and simple. You had the courage to speak up when many of us didn't yet some of us were just as fed up with the libelous FW bashing and being accused of having no sympathy for an abused woman if we dared ask for sources. Many posters have shared their own stories of being abused and the very ones being acused of having no sympathy were right there to be supportive of them. IMHO, the difference was one of personal experience being related 1st hand VS 2nd or 3rd hand hearsay. Personally, I applaud your courage! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "WY.... what JR said..." Posted by Britt on 14:18:57 5/23/2001 I have avoided the forum/poster topics as well as the FW/MW topics because I'm not interested in participating in no-win "debates" or discussing what I consider to be non-case related topics. I want you to know that I agree 100% with your perception of these "debates." But I'm torn about the solution. I don't know if dividing up the forum is a good thing or not. Unfortunately, IMO, some people confuse cooperation and respect with censorship. They confuse free speech with thoughtless spewage. For a forum to thrive, posters must put the welfare of the forum above their own selfish and egotistical (not to mention immature) "rights" to spew whatever they wish. When posters are unwilling to do this, I can't help but think they are indeed selfish, egotistical and immature... or that they have an agenda... but that's JMO. Whatever the cause, it is destructive to a forum. I realize I'm stating the obvious here, but it seems to me there are posters who are clearly more interested in personal baiting, bickering and attacking than in discussing. I've seen this on all sides of an issue, BTW. I think some people confuse this sort of excitement with a lively discussion. IMO, a lack of this kind of activity does not make a forum bland. Before the division, it was also obvious to me that (as you and others have repeatedly pointed out) regardless of a thread's topic, certain posters would come swooping in dragging that MW load in with them. IMO this deliberate baiting, and the brawl that predictably followed, created an intimidating and inhibiting environment for most people to post in. While entertaining for a few, IMO it isn't good for a forum as a whole. I think properly labeled threads should be enough to prevent problems, but that only works if ALL posters will respect the boundaries, which clearly wasn't the case. So under the circumstances, I don't see what else Chris could do but divide up the areas of discussion. Yes, we are supposedly all adults here and should be able to maintain a civil forum without such boundaries. But that only works if every single poster behaves as an adult, doesn't it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Britt" Posted by JR on 14:28:45 5/23/2001 Well said! Thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Britt" Posted by Watching you on 14:42:46 5/23/2001 I was amenable to well-labeled threads - just as long as I didn't have to be confronted with those vile FW posts every time I turned around. And then someone jumped in and said no way. Constitutional rights, blah blah. Why don't we just put the ball right in the court where it belongs. Mame's baby raper posts, her baby raper henchman name calling pushed the tolerance of many beyond their limits. Mame came in, just when it looked like there might be some progress with labeling threads, and said no way. I don't think it would ever work for the two forums to be together again, because you see what's happened over there. They don't want to talk to each other. Why should they? They don't have to convince each other. They want to convince us. And, it's not going to happen. A little sparring amongst friends is a good thing - it keeps a forum lively. Joking around and taking shots at each other now and then lightens things up. That's not what that was all about - that was cut-throat politics, make no mistake about it. But, whatever everyone else wants is okay with me. See, I can take it or leave it - no one is forcing anyone to stay here or leave. If I don't like it, I can go elsewhere. Posters do not have to bend to my will. I presented options because of the fighting. Posters spoke their opinions. And now we contend with the likes of Nedthan and Ellique, but at least we are bashing each other and not someone who doesn't post here and has never done a damn thing to any of us. I'm just going to shut up now. I've seen some posts from alleged lurkers who didn't have a mouth when all this was happening but they sure have got one now. Easy to criticize after the fact, I guess. I appreciate your post, Britt, I really do, and mostly you are right. I'm just going from day to day wondering what's going to happen next. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "..for the sadness that sleeps" Posted by Sixpence on 16:13:03 5/23/2001 ..beneath the leaves ..that is why I stay. ..children abide ..and so I shall abide with her ..and if she speaks to the wind ..I will be here ..to listen .. ..haunting child ..may the peace of morning come soon [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Your poems......." Posted by stu on 13:17:13 5/24/2001 Some of your poems, Sixpence, are truly beautiful. It is somehow fulfilling to read them and take away some loveliness from this forum that is so full of terrible reflections. Makes me think about the core reason of this forum, a baby girl. Stu [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "So Newbies are welcome here?" Posted by Show Me on 17:08:55 5/23/2001 I have lurked since the begining. Lost the forum when it when private, couldn't stand it anymore and finally registered. I feel like I am intruding on the forum and yet so welcome at the same time. :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Honesty" Posted by watchin' on 19:43:58 5/23/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:43:58, 5/23/2001 Well, my post can't be more ignored than they are now, so I will speak my piece. I like this forum very much. I also see changes that are not necessarily conducive to community unity and productive communication. I also feel as if I am intruding here. May it is just the nature of fourms in general but there cliques and when there are disputes among those who have been here longer or don't directly affect me, I stay clear of them. When ONE person decides that they don't 'like' a poster they can and do influence others to snub that poster. Let's get it all out on the table. What exactly is the criteria for being accepted here as a viable member of the community? I have read here that some just "rub others the wrong way". How is that? What does that mean? Personlly, I have seen negative comments about my 'hat'. I explained that in two separate posts and won't go ther again but I did not pick this hat and don't expect to change it. To do wo wuld only cause more 'suspicion' andinuindos of an agenda. I have seen posters that imply or directly state that others are not to address them in a post unless they can "be more creative", "more interesting" or just plain entertaining. I am not here to be entertained nor do I expect to be entertained . Frankly, I find the puns, inuindos, insinuations and jokes to be distracting at times and that is only when these posts are meant to jab at or insult another poster. Yeppers, I have been guilty of the same. It wil not happen again. I was trying to 'get with the program' of what i perceived as acceptable. It won't happen again. I RARELY scroll. That is my option but I find something interesting in everything I read. Everything I read! Even if I don't learn something new about the case, I learn something about the poster, about human nature. Overall I find that most people here are here because they seek justice for JonBenet and answers as to how and why this horrible murder happened. I don't participate in posting often for one of two reasons. Either I don't have anything of value to add OR I feel my opinion would just be ignored because I am a 'newbie', my hat is offensive, my spelling is bad, my posting is lacking in the proper syntax, too many typos...I could go. My education leves is higher than some...less than others. That doesn't have a damn thing to do with reasoning and common sense! I won two spelling competitions in high school. I know how to spell. I was in a profession that demanded short, concise, accurate writing skills. My pay check and my career depended on it. Five years ago, I typed 95 words a minute (without errors). I don't type well now. I won't go into the why of it. I post on the run and rarely have he time to preview my posts. I am in a situation that has stripped away most of my sense of humor and ability to trust or even communicate. BUT I AM HERE TRYING because this case is important to me! The posters here are important to me because of the time and effort they spend researching this case AND sharing with others. For me, this is the forum of record. I am just damned tired of working so hard to be accepted because of my lack of intertaining posts, typing errors, syntax faux pas and 'suspicious hat'. I judge posters by their willingness to accept and communicate with others not so perfect. I hate long posts! Another mistake made. Oh, well. Whether I post again or not, I will read because the best of the best of information is here. too (or is that two) many typos to correct. We all have bad days. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Infamous" Posted by ayelean on 18:52:18 5/23/2001 I was informed that my name made it to another forum because of my remarks on this thread. The poster who carried the info seems to have misunderstood the meaning of my post. I will 'fess up, sometimes I am to cryptic. I was not talking about misspelled words! I was talking about the meaning of the words. My remark about Hotheads wasn't as derogatory as it was taken, either. It was more a characterization of the tone of the forum, which isn't my style. I walk across the street to avoid conflict. I was saying, this forum fits me better and that is why it is the forum of choice. As far as Mame is concerned, Mame can do her thing, I don't agree with her, and I don't follow her lead. I have my own theory and it does not include MW. I for one am glad every thread on this part of the forum is not spewing that venom. If I am being quoted, get it right. Incidentally I have had only respect for the poster that carried that info elsewhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Reverse Solomon" Posted by darby on 21:23:29 5/23/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:23:29, 5/23/2001 You know, I gave up the fight with WY's "had it" thread. The writing was on the wall, and I knew it. As a last-ditch effort, I tried to appease Mrs. You and those who agreed with her by throwing in the towel, saying that we ought to go ahead and do what she wants. LET'S MOVE MW, said darby, loud and clear. I made an attempt to help keep the peace, save the forum, make everyone happy. Ironically, it seemed that the only way for that to happen was for Chris to split the forum in two. WY pointed out somewhere that the only real purpose of "Beyond" is basically MW, and it has become apparent that she's right. Funny thing, though--nobody's discussing MW anymore--at least not at JW. "Beyond" is now kind of a useless appendage, a reminder of what happened, the ghost of the elephant in JW's living room. I have to laugh when I notice that it's now CS who is keeping MW on the front burner. When you do a google search on "Justice Watch," you'll see a description of it: "Site leans heavily toward Ramsey family guilt." That is certainly true, but that description has always bothered me just a tad. I'd like to think of us as a group of true sleuths who go wherever the evidence leads, no emotional leaning, just rational analysis of the facts. But the truth is that ideas outside of plain vanilla Ramsey guilt are not tolerated very well here, never have been. No offense intended, it's the truth. That was apparent with the original forum split, when jameson went her way and we went ours. To be honest, I secretly lamented that split because I thought that debating the evidence with the other side kept us on our toes. No judgments here, just my observations. Is JW the forum of record? If it's true that Patsy killed JonBenet by breaking her skull in half over bedwetting, the answer is yes. Otherwise, the jury's still out. edited for spelling and clarity. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Show Me" Posted by JR on 19:31:35 5/23/2001 Welcome to posting! ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Watchin" Posted by JR on 19:57:05 5/23/2001 I am unclear why you think your posts are ignored. I have seen them addressed many times. Not everyone addresses every post however and not every post gets addressed. If people allow that to hurt their feelings or make them feel unwanted then most of us would have left the forum a long time ago. I don't get this continual accusation by some that there is a clique here. Yes, many posters know each other well enough to make personal comments but they have been reading each other for years (and some have met in person.) Would you expect to go anywhere else (new job, party, friends home etc.,) and fit in 100% immediately? I have never met another JW poster but I have posted on Joshua-7 and moved to JW therefore, I feel comfortable with many of the older posters. Give it time and you will too. I can say in all honesty that no one puposely excludes posters IMHO. People may not feel anything needs to be added to a post or that they have anything pertinent to add - that does not mean the post was ignored. Surely, you have been here long enough to understand if people don't feel your posts have any legitimacy they will state that openly? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "..listen" Posted by Sixpence on 19:55:40 5/23/2001 ..this place is for the murdered child ..nothing more..nothing less ..we are all newbies when it comes to murder whether we've posted once or a million times... ..say her name and she shall never die ..JonBenet... ..and it is like music [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Watchin On" Posted by Thor on 20:37:31 5/23/2001 I WILL let you know that I have always enjoyed your posts, although not always replied. I remember when you posted under the other "hat" and, frankly, found you fascinating. I really did. I kept wondering where you were. Please keep on posting because I thing you contribute a great deal to this case with your background, and I very much look forward to your ideas on this case. I am very new at posting, have only been reading the forums for a year or so. I had no access to a computer until then. Now that I have my own, I felt comfortable with registering here, and on others, and I don't regret it. But I have read your posts before and think you have very good ideas! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Ideas" Posted by watchin' on 21:51:20 5/23/2001 Thanks Thor and JR. I mean ideas getting ignored and not necessarily mine. I shouldn't even have posted when I am not focused. There are no hurt feelings here about lack of response to posts other than after reading here I get the impression that ideas are not as important as the way the post is constructed. This is about feeling very uncomfortable in posting anything without considering how it will pass the literary litmus test as well as the primary theory here and that is "Patsy done it". I believe the parents, both of them are guilty, but there are other issues here regarding those who had control of this case. To go to another 'room' to discuss that is labeling one group the main group and the others as weird. I am not referring to FW either. I did my research, filed it away and will wait and see how the information I gathered plays out. I feel no needto post it onthe internet but there are other issues relative to this case. It is difficult for those who have been here since the beginning to remember how it felt to be a 'newbie' with differing views and wanting to get feedback....not blackballed as a trouble maker. Newbies can somtimes cause the main group to take a look at how they reacting to new ideas. If I wanted to post some side issues I would be posting to myself in the beyond andbe categorized as part of "THAT" group. It is a 'them' and 'us' group here now and Ijsut don't know what is acceptable to discuss and where in a way that will not get me labeled and will not offend the group. I did it again! Another long post. I won't buy into the notion that long, flowery, entertaining posts necessarily the only ones that contain real substance and information. Just an observation. I have stated my reasons for making this forum my number one choice and the differing opinions and views that were once here is part of that reason. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Watchin" Posted by JR on 22:11:10 5/23/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:11:10, 5/23/2001 My observation is that there a fence sitters, Patsy did it and John did it theories here. Maybe the "Patsy did it" believers post more regularly but it's up to the others to post the "why nots" to support their theory. I haven't seen anyone flamed for having a different theory. As I recall, one poster just posted a thread in the past couple of weeks asking for people's thories and there was some good discussion. If posters don't chose to post their theories they are with in thier rights but how can theories be tested if never discussed? Edited to say: If a person has a theory, certainly most posters here are well read enough to say, "well yes BUT have you thought of this" or "hey, I never thought of that-it makes sense!" I say go for it if you have a theory - post it, let everyone have some new food for thought. ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Watchin" Posted by JR on 22:14:48 5/23/2001 I bumped Jessica's thread for you. Almost Five Years Later...What Do Think Really Hap... However, if there is going to be much posting on it, we need to make a second thread as this one is already quite long. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Response to Pedro" Posted by Thor on 22:43:34 5/23/2001 I realize this is a long thread, JR, but felt this was the place to put this. I happened to read over at CS Pedro's comment on JW. Commenting that when something goes wrong, newbies or new hats post kissing butt, to put it simply. Now I know Pedro's history here. I have also read CS for a while, too, and think it a great forum. But I want to say right here and now I am not a butt kisser. I don't know if I fit into this category, but I have been reading here for a year, as I say, without a personal computer. Didn't want to register at work, didn't want to get caught doing something I shouldn't, therefore, am a "newbie". But I feel very comfortable here and have not chosen to kiss any butt at JW for any reason at all. I am here to get info and vent on this case and think most of the poster here are intelligent and knowledgable. Just wanted to get my point across,that I am not a butt kisser, but really love this forum. What you see is what you get with me, not a phony. Chris, keep doing the great job you're doing, I know its not easy. And that is the truth PFFffftt [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Thor" Posted by darby on 23:02:55 5/23/2001 It's my understanding that the best way to communicate with Pedro is to post at Cybersleuths, as my friend fly thoughtfully advised for me to do. I'm on my way to do just that, as I'm sure my words will be appreciated by one and all at that forum, just as yours will be. I'll race you! (fly ;-)) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Thor" Posted by JR on 22:59:17 5/23/2001 Ahhh...damn...then whose lips were those I felt? ;-\ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "JR" Posted by Thor on 23:10:53 5/23/2001 Did you mean my last words? I was trying to be Lily Tomlin. And by the way, I'm not registered at CS. I've tried to get in there and they say they are not taking new registrations. Anyway, I'm fine here. But am not kissing any rearends. That's repulsive. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Thor" Posted by JR on 23:14:46 5/23/2001 I will ask Pedro to contact you but made need your email - let's see what he says. I was teasing about the kisses by the way. ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "JR" Posted by watchin' on 23:23:58 5/23/2001 Perhaps I am more of a 'newbie" than I thought because until the past two or three days I have not seen you be sarcastic or rude. I am disappointed. Thanks but no thanks to the 'bump'. Apparently you missed my point in the first post. There is a snobbish atitude here whether you see it or not. e just have differing opnions I guess, but I am not alone in mine. I hope I can state an opinion without getting flamed or categorized [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "JR" Posted by Thor on 23:19:27 5/23/2001 OK, I get it now!!! Kisses, ass, OK! Thought you meant the bizarre Lily Tomlin PFtt. NOW I GET IT! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "JR" Posted by Thor on 23:18:14 5/23/2001 OK. That's fine. I'm half drunk on MD 20/20 anyway. Thought you wondered about my PFFfttt and if that's what you meant, oh well. I'll be better off in bed. It's been a long day. Don't know Pedro and have no idea who he's referring to, but just wanted to make my position clear. Hugs! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Say Good night Thor" Posted by JR on 23:21:07 5/23/2001 LOL! I am outta here - too sleepy. Have a good one! ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Thanks, JR" Posted by Show Me on 05:12:19 5/24/2001 I feel much better now. :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Darby" Posted by Watching you on 06:15:07 5/24/2001 why do you do that? Why do you make me out to be some kind of a control freak? The only thing I control is me, and sometimes I don't do a very good job of it, but it's me. That's all I can tell you. Darby, I do not want you to appease me. If that's what you were doing, forget it. I don't need it, I don't want it. If you believe in something, stand up and fight for it, don't cow down to me or anyone else. I didn't see it as pacifying Mrs. You and the gang. I saw it as compromise - and what I remember was labeled threads as compromise. I could be wrong. Darby, you said "WY pointed out somewhere that the only real purpose of "Beyond" is basically MW, and it has become apparent that she's right. Funny thing, though--nobody's discussing MW anymore--at least not at JW. "Beyond" is now kind of a useless appendage, a reminder of what happened, the ghost of the elephant in JW's living room." That is absolutely right, and you have just proved my point. Nobody is discussing MW because that was never the intent to begin with. The intend was not "discussion," it was "disruption." If everyone on the forum had been agreeable to the subject matter, which was destroy FW at any cost, then it would have been "discussion." Almost everyone was NOT agreeable, and thus it became in-you-face disruption. The reason it is a ghost town there is because they have nothing to talk about with any of the rest of us except MW/FW. Obvious as hell, isn't it. I'm not talking about this anymore. I'm sick of it. Let Chris do whatever she wants to do. We are all adults here. We can grow up and act like it or pout like juveniles and take our toys and leave. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and pretend now to enjoy the company of those who treated another human being like garbage - someone who didn't, IMO, deserve it. They have made their impression on me - I don't much care for them, but I won't attack them if they come here. I will, however, avoid them, because they have qualities I don't like. I guess if I judged harshly for that, oh well. At least I'm not a hypocrite. I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. Blame me for everything, if you want, I don't care. But, just remember, it wasn't just I, it was majority opinion. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Watching You" Posted by Greenleaf on 06:25:47 5/24/2001 Amen! You wrote what I've been thinking all along. Thanks. GL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Watching You" Posted by Bets on 07:24:25 5/24/2001 Exactly! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "WY" Posted by Tricia on 08:29:58 5/24/2001 Thank You Thank You Thank You! Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Wy," Posted by Florida on 08:36:08 5/24/2001 Thumbs up! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "nailed it at the end" Posted by fly on 08:50:17 5/24/2001 I've avoided posting until now because I don't like this sort of topic (see my comment at the end), so blame darby if you don't like reading it. I'm not going to get into the MW aspect of darby's post, but her final evaluation of the general forum situation concerning diversity is 100% correct (because it coincides with my opinon, of course). And noting that the status of JW's rank is probably dependent on who really killed JBR is pretty insightful. We'll be the idiot lynch mob if it turns out the Ramseys are innocent, but the keen sleuths if they are not. Despite its flaws, JW/J-7 has had excellent discussions over the years. But that isn't unique to JW/J-7. What set it apart from many other forums in the past, however, was the availability of information not easily available elsewhere (until lifted) -- the transcripts of radio/TV shows, the tabloid stories without the embarrassment of actually buying one, the newspaper articles from around the country (often thanks to Maw's page), and the on scene reports such as mame's. Now that things have cooled, and especially since pro-Ramseys have started releasing information, this advantage has been reduced, IMO. The MW wars haven't been a positive factor, but fights, flaming idiots (and idiots flamed), stupid ideas, and cliques are found everywhere. But who cares about ranking anyway? Not me, at least. I post and read here (and elsewhere) because of the general content and the people - at least some of them. No offense, LurkerXIV, but to even ask that kind of question serves little purpose other than to encourage rekindling disputes or meaningless self-congratulatory posting. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "I disagree" Posted by FT on 09:31:02 5/24/2001 with darby's premise that JW consists mainly of people who believe Patsy killed JonBenet by breaking her skull in half over bedwetting. I'd guess that there are just as many people here who believe John killed JonBenet during or as a result of sexual abuse. Or that both parents are involved for whatever reason. And, of course, there are always one or two very prolific hats who are bent on Ramsey innocence. Darby may have exaggerated to make her point, but that type of exaggeration doesn't do justice to Justice Watch, imo. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Darby" Posted by Scully on 09:36:24 5/24/2001 I ger the impression you are upset with the present state of forum affairs but attempting to project blame for a decision made by the forum moderator onto a particular poster or group of posters is ridculous at best. I think Chris exercised good judgment when she decided to create an area for the discussion of topics of a controversial nature. The forum is now open and available for those who still wish to examine the FW/MW connection or anything else for that matter. If they have chosen to avoid the forum then I suggest you obtain their email addys and ask them 'why' instead of pointing fingers at Chris or individual members of the forum and blaming them for the lack of discussion of the MW/FW issue. Please don't consider this post a slam or personal attack on your integrity, Darby, because that was not my intention here. In my eyes, you are one of those rare posters who mastered the art of fairness and objectivity which is a truly remarkable feat in itself considering the length of time we've all been around. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "FT" Posted by fly on 10:48:06 5/24/2001 FT - I agree that a broader Rams did it outcome is more appropriate. I took darby's point as being more general than just the bedwetting scenario, although that might have been a misinterpretation on my part. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "I see" Posted by darby on 14:05:48 5/24/2001 nothing about my post above that criticizes Chris or even WY. I realize that Chris had absolutely no choice, really. Plus, I know how and why the negative opinions toward the "the coven" were formed. But I also feel that there has been a lot of misunderstanding going on, from both sides. The communication has now stopped, so I guess any chance of better understanding each other is gone on that issue. Anyway, I'm tired of it, too. My main point was that diversity of ideas has never been tolerated very well here at JW. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "Darby" Posted by Watching you on 14:23:34 5/24/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:23:34, 5/24/2001 nevermind [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "WY," Posted by LurkerXIV on 14:25:42 5/24/2001 You made me scroll all the way down here for a "Never Mind"?? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "If you saw that " Posted by Watching you on 14:24:47 5/24/2001 before I deleted it - it wasn't anything. I was going to post to Darby, changed my mind, had her posted copied onto mine for reference, hit the wrong button, and if anyone is reading it right now, they think I am nuts. I am. Peace. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Watching You" Posted by South on 23:08:03 5/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 23:08:03, 5/25/2001 is the poster of record on the forum of record. Mary, I'm editing to my post to tell you that I meant that as a compliment to WY. If it wasn't for her and others that stood up to posters like YOU, I would have been outta here. WY does not run this forum. She just happens to be one of the best, most intelligent posters here. Thanks Chris for changing the forum so those who do not wish to rehash the FW stuff daily have a place to go. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "South " Posted by mary99 on 15:19:28 5/24/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:19:28, 5/24/2001 69. "Watching You" Posted by South on 14:57:35 5/24/2001 is the poster of record on the forum of record. Without a doubt. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Reminds me of a" Posted by JR on 15:51:31 5/24/2001 hen house with all the pecking going on here. Sad...to say the least. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Hey, Mary 99" Posted by Jellyjaws on 15:48:13 5/24/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:48:13, 5/24/2001 Wish we could just have a couple of giggle together, don't you? Edited to add "could" to a simple sentence. DUH! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "L-XIV & Fly" Posted by Gemini on 16:28:05 5/24/2001 L-XIV, If you scrolled past Fly and Darby (also FT, with whom I agree in this case), you missed some of the best, most important posts on this thread. Fly, to your comment about different POV never having been tolerated well here, that's been true since autumn, '97. Before that, J-7 was all about different POV with good solid discussion as the direct result. However, Chris has done a fine job with JW throughout its various evolutions. And BTW, that's not gratuitous stroking, but my honest opinion. The value of JW might be better served by paying less attention to the grumblings on CS and more to some of the good, case related threads right here. Hope you all have a nice holiday weekend. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "Controlled Environments?" Posted by shadow on 16:20:30 5/24/2001 At the outset of the J-7 and JW Forums, IMHO, they both had a cross-section of theories and opinions that ran from pro- to anti-Ram with some "on-the-fence" posters. The Anti-Ram contingent, which was larger, took it personally when someone disagreed with their opinion (theory, philosophy, etc.) regarding the Ramsey's guilt. The Pro-Rams were "roughed-up" frequently and their attempts at retaliation were feable because of their lack of numbers. Thus, murphy and jameson left (and took many Pro-Rams with them) to create a less hostile environment. (Some will say "controlled environment".) Mostly, Anti-Rams and "I Don't Knows" remained at J-7 and, later, JW. Where do I fit in all this? Who knows? When I joined J-7, I had no idea who killed JBR. Over time, I decided that the Ramseys had nothing to do with the death of their daughter. Still later (still at J-7), I became less sure and decided that they could have been involved. After having absorbed hundreds of theories, opinions and scenario on J-7, JW, CS and other forums for almost five years, I'm back to having no idea who killed JBR, but I sure as hell don't buy Smit's theory! shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "Absolutely" Posted by momo on 17:30:04 5/24/2001 JW is still the forum of record. One only needs to go to another forum just around the corner to realize that. Actually, more than one forum. At least we don't let a bunch of bitter and angry posters reside here. Glad they're gone. They certainly don't do JonBenet justice like she deserves. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "im a new poster" Posted by purrplepassion on 18:08:11 5/24/2001 im a new poster here and as a new poster i have a fresh perspective. first of all, it doesnt matter if JW is the best forum......it just matters if justice is found for jon benet. and....remember new people in here really dont want to hear about past feuds....its very, very boring....and adds nothing to finding justice for jon benet. and...i respect anyone's views if they arent flaming someone else. this is the purest form of free speech. so stop the flaming. it just shows your true identity...you have no class. and you arent here to really find justice for jon benet. and...a true sleuth uncovers every clue and looks at a case from every angle. because that is truly the only way to find justice for jon benet. and....i really have enjoyed all the posts because i do find for the most part that every one here is sincere and does want justice for jon benet. and...remember this, what you say does really leave an impression for a new poster. and remember, they may be the very person to uncover that one clue that does provide justice for jon benet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "Purrplepassion" Posted by momo on 18:51:29 5/24/2001 We just love new people here. New posters bring perspective that we here may not have thought of yet. We also need to be told why we are here. Sometimes personalities clash and we let words get the best of us. JfJBR is why I am here no matter where the trail may lead. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 87. "thanks momo" Posted by purrplepassion on 18:47:34 5/25/2001 for the nice welcome to this forum! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "purrplepassion: your post #76" Posted by Hence4th on 19:07:05 5/24/2001 Well said! I'm new too. Would you care to discuss the ransom note? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 89. "thanks hence4th" Posted by purrplepassion on 18:56:16 5/25/2001 i love your name. yes, let's discuss the ransom note? i have read everything about it..... what do you want to know??? LOL see im a newbie, but an expert already too. hee hee, purr [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "thanks JfJBR" Posted by purrplepassion on 19:03:20 5/24/2001 a dumb question...... does JfJBR stand for - Justice for Jon Benet Ramsey? so many initials around these days...... who knows? but again, thanks for liking new people. i am new on this forum, but have read about the case for about 2 years now. i really like the links that people share. i try to read everything on the case. wouldnt it be great if we could read all the evidence in this case? i bet we (this forum) could figure out "whodunnit"! justice for jon benet......... praying for that everyday.... and for all the other unsolved cases... God help us all! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "Welcome, newbies!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 20:20:30 5/24/2001 A big HELLO to Hence4th and purrplepassion. If you want to start a Ransom Note thread, just scroll up to the top where it says "Post New Thread", click, give it a title and a brief intro, and you're all set. Maybe you'll even bring Docg out of hiding. He has some great ransom note theories! Good luck, and enjoy your stay at JW!! :) :) :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 88. "thanks to lurker" Posted by purrplepassion on 18:49:59 5/25/2001 for your welcome to the forum also! i plan to stay and share my opinions! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "omg" Posted by FT on 21:01:26 5/24/2001 i'm sorry but if anyone really believes that purrplepassion is a new poster with a fresh perspective on this case, i would suggest ... um ... growing a brain. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 86. "to FT from purr" Posted by purrplepassion on 18:46:24 5/25/2001 i didnt say i had a fresh perspective on the case. i was replying to the question...is JW the #1 forum on the web for Jon Benet. so do you get what i am saying now? so please reread my post with that in mind. thanks, purr [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 91. "Oh, okay, purr" Posted by FT on 19:10:02 5/25/2001 I misunderstood your post: *** 76. "im a new poster" Posted by purrplepassion on 18:08:11 5/24/2001 im a new poster here and as a new poster i have a fresh perspective. *** I thought you meant a fresh perspective on the case, not the forum. Either way, I think your comment is a riot. LOL Got a couple of good chuckles from it today. Welcome. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 92. "i dont get it " Posted by purrplepassion on 19:30:54 5/25/2001 i dont get it FT. why are you laughing at my post. i mean it is ok that you are. in fact, i am glad to give you some jollies, but what was so funny about my post. am i really that naive? what have i overlooked? am i supposed to be cunning and a liar to be able to post here?? huh? i just dont get it, FT. 'splain it to me please. purr [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "Now, now, FT..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 21:10:05 5/24/2001 ...didn't you know this is "Be Kind To Newbies Week"? ;) We are very privileged to have these two new posters with us. Hence4th is an expert on DNA, don't you know? And we can never have too many posters who lecture us on "the purest form of free speech", what it means to be a "true sleuth", and how important it is to put aside "past feuds". ;) ;) FT, IMHO, you are becoming jaded! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 83. "LXIV" Posted by FT on 21:36:55 5/24/2001 My friend, you are right, as usual. I have become jaded about certain "newbies." We must all try to accept these newbies at face value in order to engage in the highest form of "critical thinking" in the "living room" that our dear moderator, Chris, has provided for us. Amen. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 84. "objectivity" Posted by Hence4th on 22:03:48 5/24/2001 You guys might want to try expending a little more energy discussing the evidence in the case and a little less energy worrying about who the posters are. Whaddya think? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 85. "My feeling is..." Posted by A.K. on 05:53:17 5/25/2001 ...if this is a sincere attempt to create a new atmosphere, I'm all for it...as long as certain angles don't get explored again. It's not like I haven't enjoyed those posters in the past. I will try to retain an open mind. They solve crimes you know! (Couldn't resist.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 90. "FT, Lurker, AK" Posted by v_p on 19:05:34 5/25/2001 I think being "shift-challenged" is becoming more and more common these days... whaddaya ... er, y'all think? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 93. "....hahaha" Posted by jonesy on 19:37:39 5/25/2001 ..a new(?) newbie "hallmonitor" that has lurked for 2 yrs on a priv. forum - ya gotta just luv it - and boy is she full of herself - don't include me in your "we" - IF she has 'lurked' for 2 yrs she shouldn't need to ask dumb questions ?? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 94. "everyone is so cynical" Posted by purrplepassion on 19:47:22 5/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:47:22, 5/25/2001 everyone is so cynical these days. i always thought no question was a dumb question. i wouldnt ask a question if i already knew the answer. please be kind to us newbies. i read up on the case....i didnt know i was a "lurker". i didnt read forums. i read news releases. geez, give me a break..... im not here for insults, but to discuss the case. so stop it now. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 95. "Wondering where Hence4th is" Posted by JR on 19:49:45 5/25/2001 now that all the case discussions have been bumped up. I was so looking forward to hearing Hence's theories. ;-\ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]