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Why I Stopped, sarah, 13:19:11, 5/25/2001 Sarah,, LurkerXIV, 13:48:12, 5/25/2001, (#1) Sarah, austingirl, 15:29:32, 5/25/2001, (#2) Sarah, starry, 17:53:01, 5/25/2001, (#3) thank you, sarah, 22:05:01, 5/25/2001, (#4) Sarah, JR, 22:10:44, 5/25/2001, (#6) Gosh, momo, 22:10:21, 5/25/2001, (#5) Great Post Momo, JR, 22:11:56, 5/25/2001, (#7) JR, momo, 22:21:31, 5/25/2001, (#8) Momo, JR, 22:26:18, 5/25/2001, (#9) JR, momo, 22:45:05, 5/25/2001, (#10) Yep, JR, 22:58:00, 5/25/2001, (#11) Sarah, Chris, 03:50:13, 5/26/2001, (#12) Chris and JR, sarah, 07:13:55, 5/26/2001, (#13) Well, Watching you, 07:30:25, 5/26/2001, (#14) Sarah, JR, 09:35:23, 5/26/2001, (#15) JR, Shamrockgirl, 09:58:52, 5/26/2001, (#16) Grumble grumble, Watching you, 11:33:02, 5/26/2001, (#17) Shamrockgirl, JR, 11:58:09, 5/26/2001, (#18) ................................................................... "Why I Stopped" Posted by sarah on 13:34:37 5/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:34:37, 5/25/2001 posting. In answer to some speculation on other threads re: where some of the posters are. A now-banned moderator viciously attacked some members of the JFJBR community a few weeks ago. This moderator initiated several allegations on The Daily but offered no substantiation to his claims. Lizzieb replied to his post in an attempt to defend herself from his slanderous claims. Characteristically, he deleted her post. His post was then transferred to the WOR. In that post he said: Posted by Pedro on 09:53:43 5/03/2001 ...I am in chat most evenings alone. A group of chatters took over JW chat for the last 9 months or so and slowly kick off first all male members and then most of the female members. They then proceed to create a new chat room. JW chat room is now almost empty as the normal JW posters won't go there anymore and the ones who destroy it have their own chat room." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Some of us chose to reply to his claim, all stating that the reason we stopped going to chat was the presence of Jams in the chat-room. That was the thread that started it all, because those who replied to him were also lumped in to this category that to this day he refers to as 'reptiles, snakes, coven, etc. Rather than take responsibility for a bad judgement call-i.e., the moderators at JW chat allowing Jams and hir minions free-end there, the chatters themselves were blamed for leaving, and for starting their own chat-room free of Jameson and Co. That thread was removed the following day to the wor archives. It is an interesting read, although Pedro's remarks, which broke several if not all the house rules, were deleted. To counter whomever removed the thread, (I suppose Chris), he proceeded to take his slanderous allegations to the JW forum per se, and started a brand new thread, asking for support and asserting his intention to have us all BANNED. Crazy? I think so, but all this and more went down here at JW forum. Below are snippets of his initial post on that thread. Remember, he is talking about fellow JW community members here: "Dear Friends..." Posted by Pedro on 10:54:43 5/06/2001 ...I think is time for you to know about this. A group of people from chat, people who most never contribute to this forum but to badmouth and plot against others, does hate me personally while for years I thought they were my friends and thus I trusted them. These group of posters are the following ones, Pip, Ibnora, Lizzieb, Annette, Sarah and other in minor scale. They did all kind of approaches to our JW members to drive them to other forums and they continuously have on their actions the worst for JW they could do. When do you see any of those posters contribute in daily basis? Never!!!!! ..now If you support me, I will request the ban of these elements who contribute with nothing to our community, but evil .. I am asking for your opinion, post here if you want me in or out, I will follow your wishes as long as the representation is a valid one." The "minor scale" he wanted banned were various posters who had the courage to reply to his earlier posts, for instance: Posted by Pedro on 21:26:33 5/06/2001 ...ever hera about TEXAS? you are full of IT!!!!!! I am not a moderator any longer, so Maxi, get lost!!!. Your only job was HURT JW AND YOU DID WELL, YOUR MASTER MUST BE HAPPY, YOU ARE LUCKY THIS ISN'T MY FORUM. YOU AND ALL LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED LONG AGO!!!!!!!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now, no one "took over" the chat-room. Common sense alone dictates such a thing would be impossible. Chatters from all different forums and points of view simply left because they chose to.. While some of us tried in earnest to defend his incursions, a few more prior JW chatters came on board and replied/posted that their reason for leaving chat was also the presence of Jams and Co. in the chat-room. But no amount of honesty or forthwith replies were comprehended or accepted: "Posted by Pedro on 18:44:44 5/06/2001 ...to me the *jams* thing is an excuse, jameson was only polite and nice while there, if it wasn't case talk, she'll move on and leave." Our reasons were solid, justifiable, and certainly a predictable REACTION from ardent anti-Rammers, given the circumstances. What is so difficult to understand here? Would YOU prefer to spend your evening hours chatting with Jameson? There were no secret plots, no one conspired against him or Baybb. Yet, we were branded as plotters and "evil elements" because we chose to stop attending chat. Our choice certainly, yet no one rose to defend us as this moderator pressed further his intentions to "ride (sic) this community of these 'individuals': .."Now all Jw posters know the truth, who are they going to believe? is clear to me, read this thread, my actions and their actions speak by themselves, we MUST get ride of these individuals who only participate to damage our community." Pedro He clearly iterated the reason why he wanted us "banned": Posted by Pedro on 12:38:25 5/06/2001 ....this has nothing to do with NK story when come to me been bashed. This is a revenge from some evil elements for non-JBR related issues mostly. Pedro ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sadly, no one here asked for any kind of proof - far from it! In one post I asked, where are the sleuths? Several posters chimed in and agreed that the best thing to do was to kick us all out! Imagine how I felt as I read the posts from several long-time poster friends.. .." I would like to be the very first one to apologize to Chris for all these other crazy people on the forum. haha. Is there a full moon tonight? ~~~ .. "I don't know what went on and I don't give a damn, but things are starting to look a little fishy to me. We've got enough problems on this forum without this crap coming here too.".. ~~~~ .." Do you mean there is yet ANOTHER coven of mean vicious women out to destroy the reputation of ANOTHER good man? Pedro, I bet you can really relate to Fleet White and the attempts to destroy his life and his good name.." ~~~~~~~~ .."We must not let unscrupulous people hinder the efforts of decent posters." ~~~~~~~~~~ .." It pains me to see good people give up and find other forums, while the jerks remain. Shamrock Pati, I have to disagree with you about pedro. I find him the height of diplomacy. I learn a lot from his civility and humor.".. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ That was the weekend Chris overhauled the forum, and another step she took was the removal of forum moderators. This person blamed US, and STILL does - on every forum he posts at, for being removed as moderator, when the truth is all moderators were removed. Why aren't the other moderators 'blaming' Chris and us? Perhaps because they honored her decision and went with the flow. For better or for worse, it was her decision. As for myself, I was deeply saddened that the good name of so many posters and contributors to the JFJBR community were maligned, and still are, on other forums. We have all stated that none of us (the people Pedro accuses) had anything to do with a page on FS forum. We didn't start this, and we certainly don't deserve it. I have never even posted there, and I don't believe Lizzieb has either. Unfortunately, the threads where we defended ourselves - and many courageous long time posters came here to defend one another - have all been deleted. I am totally innocent of all the charges. I never plotted against this person, did a parody page, removed his posts at JW, had him removed as moderator, or had him ousted from the JW forum. Uncharacteristically, the JFJBR community has never asked for any kind of proof, nor questioned or debated the allegations made against fellow posters. For those of you who don't know me, I have been posting on JW, CS and CN2 forum for years. I have never posted on the daily, as my energies were directed at sleuthing and starting threads, since I'm an ardent J-d-I poster. I have always believed in promoting 'community', so I have NEVER gone to one forum and posted about another. This page on a little web-site I did back in January substantiates the philosophy.. http://sarahshome2001.homestead.com/sarahhomep.html That ideal - a sharing, respect-for-one-another community of JFJBR forums is a polar opposite to the current reality, and we as a community are approaching the halfway point of the year. In one of his last threads here, which I believe was deleted because the posts broke JW house rules, Pedro said: "Where are they?..." Posted by Pedro on 21:33:47 5/17/2001 I was under attack by those respected JW members. We all know their names, need the list? Now, I wonder where are they. Why they ONLY show up in JW to hunt and attack a completely right person as I was and to twist the truth to accomplish their sick plots? Could be to show me how much loyalty I could expect from some folks? If so, you did well, I expected loyalty ad I got none. How many posts we have read by Lizzieb, Pip, Annette, Sarah, Maxi (sorry I mentioned God here) since 2 weeks ago? Go and look for their posts. I don't enjoy this game, to me isn't important how I play the game. To me it is important who is right and who is wrong and the reasons why some folks seem to be allow to do anything they want. I am NOT going to get over this, not now, not ever. So guess what folks, I don't expect anybody to do right to me, but I am not going to quit fighting them, they'll have to go a step further and get ride of me forum wise :-) Yes, Golf is nice, however, there's snakes in the course and remind me of them! Pedro. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As he professed in the post above, many of us continue to be hounded/persecuted daily by this person's obsessive fantasies, which are totally false. Hey, there's nothing more I can do. That is why I stopped posting. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Sarah," Posted by LurkerXIV on 13:48:12 5/25/2001 That problem has been taken care of. Pedro has been asked to leave JW permanently. Please come back. We need you and Nora and pip and Lizzie now more than ever. The Ramspin is in high gear, and we need all the sincere intelligent posters we can get. I'm sorry I made a flippant remark regarding that particular mess. I appreciate your website with the photos. You put a lot of work into it, and make a very compelling case against the parents. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Sarah" Posted by austingirl on 15:29:32 5/25/2001 I second the sentiments of Lurker. We need good, sincere posters here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Sarah" Posted by starry on 17:53:01 5/25/2001 I said nothing, because I personally know nothing. I enjoyed your website and your posts. I enjoyed Pedro's posts. I appreciated his faithfulness to the forum. I appreciated Baybb's faithfullness in being our chat hostess. There are many people here who have gone way beyond the call of duty to remain faithful to our collected cause. (MA Brady, I love you!) I never saw the website that was created to ridicule him. Of this, I'm glad. I do know I've been saying for years that we who want Justice for JonBenét need to stay united for that cause. That's all. When and if there's ever an arrest and conviction all of this will be meaningless. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "thank you" Posted by sarah on 22:05:01 5/25/2001 LurkerXIV, you said: "That problem has been taken care of. Pedro has been asked to leave JW permanently." If only it were that easy. While he doesn't post here anymore, as he promised he continues his ceaseless tirade against us 24/7 at other forums ?. Lizzieb is the community transcriber. She alone has put in countless hours of her free time painstakingly rolling back live interviews she tapes and typing them to script for everyone to enjoy. Maxi posts here occasionally, is a moderator at WS, and as such has volunteered the last five years of her life tending to day to day problems at another of our fine forums. She, like others who had the guts to speak up was called a liar, and was ordered by this moderator to cease posting her point of view: "You Maxi seems incapable of understand that your comments in moderation issues aren't welcome nor wanted here." ~~~ 53. "Maxi..." Posted by Pedro on 08:38:56 5/04/2001 sorry, you shouldn't get involved in JW busines at all. Pedro. ~~~~~~~~~~ Annette has had to endure continual not-so-veiled sarcasms about her in his posts here and at all the other forums where he posts. Anyone who replied to him has been the subject of obscene posts and vile language. Is it any wonder some of us stopped posting..We made the decision a few weeks ago to ignore him as we considered his attacks pretty obvious flame bait. Thank you Lurker for your post. It takes character and inner strength to say, 'look, I'm sorry.. Thanks Starry and Austin too:) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Sarah" Posted by JR on 22:10:44 5/25/2001 Pedro as you say has been banned from JW. Isn't it about time to give this a rest? No one here can prevent posters from doing as they please on other forums but this is JW and Chris has taken action. How about posting some of your theories on the new threads? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Gosh" Posted by momo on 22:10:21 5/25/2001 Since I wasn't here for a few weeks, I really missed what was going on here at JW. I still don't know what happened. This must make some people happy. I wish all the nastiness could go away. We have a great opportunity here to fight for justice for a little girl who was brutally murdered in her home on Christmas night. You remember the one. Her name is JonBenet Ramsey. What should have been the happiest day of the year turned out to be the worst for her. We must be doing something right. We have to see what's happening. The pro-Rams are in full force. We have so many talented and bright posters here. JW is the forum of record and everyone knows it. I looked around before I joined. This is it. Isn't it obvious that there is an all out lynching going on? Wake up! If there are positions that need to be filled then I think we should fill them. We should still be able to enjoy our own chat room. Maybe we could split up the hours to moderate. Something needs to happen or we could be on our way to becoming history. The forum needs moderators. We better start sticking together here at JW. Even some of our old friends are getting vicious towards us. Remember the little girl who desperately needs our help in finding her justice. Let's give her the love and support she never had. Only here for JonBenet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Great Post Momo" Posted by JR on 22:11:56 5/25/2001 JFJBR Our reason to visit JW. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "JR" Posted by momo on 22:21:31 5/25/2001 Thankyou. I appreciate you. Thanks for starting all those new threads. Sarah, I think you are a very important poster. Your website took a lot of work and thought. You are appreciated for all that you do for JfJBR. Please don't stop posting. You'll regret not being a part of something that makes you feel good. There will be a day when JonBenet gets her justice. Let's ALL be there. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Momo" Posted by JR on 22:26:18 5/25/2001 Thanks and I appreciate you and all the posters here on JW who are supportive of the home Chris has given us to discuss case. Just came across this and found it interesting and something worth remembering: The "Strawman" fallacy consists of creating a flimsy caricature of your opponents view, and then demolishing it, rather than arguing against your opponents actual views. It is overwhelmingly the favorite approach of the corporate media in dismissing the movement against neoliberalism and corporate globalization. Thus, The Strawman's Revenge. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "JR" Posted by momo on 22:45:05 5/25/2001 Now that sounds familiar. Notice how friendly they are in the beginning. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Yep" Posted by JR on 22:58:00 5/25/2001 Only the last couple haven't remained so for very long. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Sarah" Posted by Chris on 03:50:13 5/26/2001 First of all, the stuff you have reposted is in threads that have been removed from this forum because their intent was to disrupt. Why do you insist on reposting stuff that has been removed? Second of all, this isn't Cybersleuths. I'm not interested in having this site's sole purpose consist of more threads that bash other posters and other forums than anything worthwhile. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Chris and JR" Posted by sarah on 07:13:55 5/26/2001 .."Pedro as you say has been banned from JW. Isn't it about time to give this a rest? " .~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .." Why do you insist on reposting stuff that has been removed?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ..It's difficult to see any kind of continuum as you both suggest, when this thread is the FIRST and ONLY statement I or (anyone else who was targeted for that matter) have made on this mess! Please point out where I've brought this issue up before - here or on any forum ANYWHERE. In fact, just the opposite, thank you. No, I don't want to replay this thing ad nauseum, which actually should be apparent by what I wrote in the posts above. Chris and JR, a terrible injustice was done to several other posters and myself. That was one of the reasons for this post. Walk in my shoes a minute and think about a time in your life when you were unjustly accused and verbally abused of something you didn't do. I had two choices - either bring it to the fore as I did with the post and get some kind of reckoning and healing thing accomplished or walk away from this community (and posting/participating) in utter disgust of the JBR community. To infer that those of us that took the brunt of this person's paranoia are/weren't deeply affected and don't deserve or merit healing and reckoning is about as cold and crass as your posts come off sounding like. The quotes I cited above are little more than a taste of all the psycho-toilet babble that are/were posted on the Internet. If my intent were to get down and dirty your eyes would have read statements from the accuser that are far more abusive and vile than what I posted here. I hope I made my point to you JR and Chris about your input and why I made the decision to post a thread. You see, there are other people beside myself who aren't participating due to what took place. Lets not play Three-Blind-Monkeys here, >'see no, hear no, speak no'< and pretend it hasn't happened. Either some form of healing has to take place and you reel these people back in to the fold or you tell them in effect, we don't want to hear about it, just go away and get over it. Let that person wage his holy war against these other posters and just dodge the issue, or give those posters a measure of respect by some small acknowledgement of the wrongs committed against them. Let the posters here understand what happened and the effect it had on those accused or turn a blind eye to their suffering. Now, that said, Chris, in response to something else you said.. I don't begrudge your deleting those threads. You also had to make a choice, though my vote would have been to archive them, because many posters in this community posted input/responses on those two threads besides myself and the post-moderator in question. Their experiences and point of view, which includes another former moderator here as well, are forever lost to the rest of the community. The only poster whose posts are left standing because he is STILL posting (and accusing) is the one who started it in the first place. Those posters who spoke up (and their posts) were cast out into the ethers of cyber-space, and after all, this is a forum. I'm not you Chris, but I'dda banned Pedro too because rules were broken. What he isn't saying, and what posters are ignoring, is that ex-moderator Pedro ALSO had a choice of two paths: 1: When he learned the registration on the JW chat-room was about to elapse, he Could have emailed Chris to let her know.. 2: He could let it elapse and sabotage the room, claiming it for his own. I feel pretty safe in assuming that NO forum owner or administrator would allow someone to take over their own chat-room and leave the deed unchallenged and unsanctioned. Your action, and why you took that action, is something the JBR community ALSO needs to reckon with. treason treaˇson [trz'n ] (plural treaˇsons) noun 1. betrayal of country: violation of the allegiance owed by a person to his or her own country, for example, by aiding an enemy 2. treachery: betrayal or disloyalty 3. act of betrayal: an act of betrayal or disloyalty [12th century. Via Anglo-Norman treisoun , "treacherous handing over, betrayal," from the Latin stem tradition- , from tradere , "to hand over" (source of English traitor.) I dare any forum owner or administrator to post here that they wouldn't have reacted in the same fashion. So Pedro sealed his own fate with the path he chose to take. And Chris where is all the bashing of other fora that you mentioned? While others mutiny or post negative criticisms at forum owners, somewhere in the mix the caveat of forum rules needs due respect. In the course of the years that these forums have been in existence, all the forum owners have made plenty of mistakes. So what? Because let's face it, none of them had the privilege of attending a forum management course at their local college. They all had to do their respective learnin' on the fly, and history shows that hindsight was sometimes a better choice of the two. So no Chris, I don't begrudge you at all. Far from it. You and the other forum owners are where the buck stops and until posters walk in your shoes they have no right to criticize. Bitch a little maybe, lol, but always on that owner's own forum or chat-room, and always with tacit respect due that forum owner. I remember CS when it was nothing more than a cemetery. The forum bullies had "outed" as they called it, everyone but themselves and a small group. When one CS poster queried, where did all the posters go, another poster, whose hat was Gerrymander, replied: 'The case is dead. The War-room is closed. There is nothing more to say and no one wants to post about it anymore.' That was a few years ago and the JBR debate continues on. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Well" Posted by Watching you on 07:30:25 5/26/2001 MMOB. Okay. I agree with Starry and JR. I don't know what happened, most of us don't. It's over. Let it go. Do your healing somewhere else, not at the expense of people who don't know what happened and are not going to take sides. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Sarah" Posted by JR on 09:35:23 5/26/2001 I don't believe I implied you had posted this before though others certainly have. I simply think it's time to move on. The forum has had a lot of individual nit picking lately and it isn't accomplishing anything except to cause Chris extra work. My impression is that we are here on JW because we want justice for a child that was murdered in her own home. In-fighting isn't going to accomplish that and re-hashing an issue that took place weeks ago isn't going to accomplish that. Wouldn't your energy be better spent posting case theory? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "JR" Posted by Shamrockgirl on 09:58:52 5/26/2001 Gee I thought this was the WOR where posters can express themselves freely without being repremanded. Sarah and me and a few others have just expressed what has happened. No flames have been lit, and I don't disparage anyone. Neither did Sarah. Yes it's time to move on. But there needed to be some explanation as to why some things happened. From now on I will refrain from posting in WOR and post "case theory" only. Oh...I forgot LOL I have done that for 4 years. I enjoy hearing others....but most of them have been posted before....the case is in Limbo. But wait, we can still enjoy all the cockamamy internet goings on and the varied and sundry theories on this case. Yes maybe in our lifetime there will be Justice for JonBenet, I sure hope so. But I aint holding my breath over it. Looking forward to Lou (I pray with perps) Smit's visit to Larry(I never know what the heck I'm talking about) King on Monday night. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Grumble grumble" Posted by Watching you on 11:33:02 5/26/2001 The thing is, there is no need to defend yourselves to people who don't know what you're talking about to begin with, weren't involved, and who have made no judgments against you or anyone else on this subject. It is a non-issue to most of us here, I think. Yes, it's the WOR, but frankly I don't care about this and I don't think many others do, either. In fact, the more you bring it up, the more it looks as if you are protesting too much, bringing it up only in your own self-interest. You do not need to defend yourselves to us. We don't care. At least, I don't. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Shamrockgirl" Posted by JR on 11:58:09 5/26/2001 It is the WOR however, the bulk of the posts regarding this subject were posted in the wee hours of the morning and not to many posters read them. In fact I would hazzard a guess that only a handful even were aware the topic was discussed or that there was an issue. Chris archived the posts for a very good reason. See her post #12. My question is why is it so important to keep the hostility alive? Pedro was banned from the forum. Posters know Chris has a fairly high tolerence level so if someone got banned they must have pushed one too many buttons. For the sake of the forum, IMHO those involved need to let it drop or take their beef elsewhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]