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"An Inside Job", lee2, 14:23:04, 5/26/2000 lee2, Sioux, 14:38:37, 5/26/2000, (#1) Sioux,, gaiabetsy, 14:43:53, 5/26/2000, (#3) Goodness, Sioux,, gaiabetsy, 15:09:52, 5/26/2000, (#7) gaia, Sioux, 15:26:13, 5/26/2000, (#9) Well........, tx_sunshine, 14:41:12, 5/26/2000, (#2) let me take a stab at it, Lee!, Edie Pratt, 14:52:20, 5/26/2000, (#5) Edie, lee2, 14:59:25, 5/26/2000, (#6) i agree, edie, vic, 15:21:13, 5/26/2000, (#8) Johnny Wynette, Edie Pratt, 15:47:59, 5/26/2000, (#10) Right, Edie, vic, 15:56:36, 5/26/2000, (#11) A link, lee2, 14:44:21, 5/26/2000, (#4) I agree absolutely , fiddler, 16:36:00, 5/26/2000, (#12) freud or jung, maundy, 17:29:32, 5/26/2000, (#13) maundy, Sioux, 18:36:58, 5/26/2000, (#18) Inside Job, sabrina, 17:32:11, 5/26/2000, (#14) This is not what I believe, pinker, 17:50:41, 5/26/2000, (#15) Did he know she was dead, lee2, 18:02:30, 5/26/2000, (#16) From One Blond to Another, Paralegal, 18:21:12, 5/26/2000, (#17) sheer stupidity, pinker, 18:41:10, 5/26/2000, (#19) Lee2, momo, 19:17:25, 5/26/2000, (#20) ................................................................... ""An Inside Job"" Posted by lee2 on 14:23:42 5/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:23:42, 5/26/2000 I'm not normally a "threadstarter" as I'm a bit intimidated by the response to one of my ideas (or more accurately - the lack of response to one of my ideas). However, this thought occurred to me as I was moussing my hair. Call it a wet blonde moment if you will. It is reported that John Ramsey told Linda Arndt that this (at the time when it still appeared to be a kidnapping) was an "inside job." What in the world would make him say that? I've pondered that many times. It has recently been brought up that John Ramsey may have had what's known as "high level security clearance." After all - his company had just been bought out by Lockheed-Martin - a corporation with defense contracts. Why would a father speculate so (seemingly) openly to a police detective that the kidnapping of his daughter appeared to be an "inside" job? Was he inferring that Patsy or Burke (the other two "insiders") had spirited her away in the night as part of some household conspiracy theory? I don't think so. I have always wondered (when playing Devil's advocate with myself - you know - when you get bored you have to do something) why a guilty parent would make such a statement. In and of itself - it seems completely incriminating - especially for someone who always seems so in control. I haven't followed this case minute by minute since the beginning - so perhaps this has already been addressed a hundred times over. If that's the case - pardon this thread and move on. The only way I can even begin to make that huge leap from "they did it" to "they didn't" is, I think, somehow tied up in that one statement "This looks like an inside job." Does anyone else have any ideas on the "inside job" remark on this pre-holiday afternoon? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "lee2" Posted by Sioux on 14:38:37 5/26/2000 **The only way I can even begin to make that huge leap from "they did it" to "they didn't" is, I think, somehow tied up in that one statement "This looks like an inside job." Does anyone else have any ideas on the "inside job" remark on this pre-holiday afternoon?** Excellent motive to start a thread. I am reading Hodge's book now so I am influenced by him although......"I" haven't find anything really ashtonishingly new (so far) in the reading. I've been always leaning towards Freud's theories that so accuratly explain human behavior IMO, so the annalysis is not so blantly new to me. This is an introduction to say that I am quite sure Hodge is right in saying that the ransom note has the purpose (between others) of blackmailing John and to tie him up to the crime. THAT's why he probably felt compelled to tell Ardn't that it was an inside job, because Patsy did it, and he WISHED she could be caught, freeing him of her FOREVER. But given it a second thought, he realized that if she falls, he does too. If she is saved, so is he. That's why later they would always repeat that "they never suspected each other" and kept the lies coming and coming and...... Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Sioux," Posted by gaiabetsy on 14:43:53 5/26/2000 works for me. I think there has to be an explanation why this cold fish (John) would go along with some of the rediculous explanations about what happened the day when the body was found. A person like this guy, it appears to me, would not go along with strange innuendo unless he felt forced to go against his nature. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Goodness, Sioux," Posted by gaiabetsy on 15:09:52 5/26/2000 I know you teach English as a second language. I heard just now about the teacher shot and the fact this person taught the same thing. Please be careful. I worry for you and care about your welfare. I know everything we do in life has risks, but I still want you to know I care very much about your welfare. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "gaia" Posted by Sioux on 15:26:13 5/26/2000 bless your heart, thank you for worrying for me.You are so sweet! The truth is that I am worried for myself most of the time, although I work in a kind of safe enviroment (like Littleton, he he). If I survive just a few more years , I'm sure I (and the rest of the teachers in the USA) will get some sort of economic compensation for the stress,(like a decent salary) .That might even out the life threatening risk of teaching the increasingly uneducated, wild and agressive new breeds of young americans. Oh my, you got me started. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Well........" Posted by tx_sunshine on 14:41:12 5/26/2000 I would wonder if this was his way of setting up PR.I am not sure if that is IMO or not,I change my theorys alot.LOL Think of all the things he did that morning. Didn`t touch the ransom note. Had PR call 911 Told the cops the door was painted shut. Lied and sent Burke back to bed. Went to the basement alone. Told FW about the broken window. Gave the cops PR pad,with the(?)1st ransom note. Plus all the lies since then. I still don`t know who did it,but IMO one of them did. JFJb Hugs Tx-sunshine [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "let me take a stab at it, Lee!" Posted by Edie Pratt on 14:53:22 5/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:53:22, 5/26/2000 I like this thread theme very much, good thinking,Lee:-) Anyway, my take on the inside job remark was the ransom amount tie-in. It was soon learned that JR gave up a former disgruntled employee who owed/ or felt he was owed $118,000. I think JR dictated the note to Mrs, with that former employee in mind. He was setting that (forgot his name,Merrick?) fella up to take the rap. I think I read here that JR made nice with him again after he was cleared.lol. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Edie" Posted by lee2 on 14:59:25 5/26/2000 I guess I've heard that, too. Giving Jeff Merrick all the reason in the world to hum that tune "I've got friends in low places" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "i agree, edie" Posted by vic on 15:21:13 5/26/2000 I think he suspected Patsy as soon as he read the note but tried to deflect suspicion while he thought things out. It was easy to say it was an 'inside job' when so many things pointed directly to him and personal knowledge. He is an accessory after the fact and just as culpable as his slimy lying wife. He's not dumb and I'm sure figured it out the first time he found his daughter's body. People can have really really weird relationships, who knows why he 'stood by his woman.' [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Johnny Wynette" Posted by Edie Pratt on 15:47:59 5/26/2000 "Stand by your woman", or "behind"? Here's the problem Vic, JR wouldn't HAVE KNOWN the evidence pointed to him until after the investigation. See? There were no outward signs of sexual abuse, meaning, no blood on her longjohn's. So, for him to be completely taken off guard that AM, he'd have NO REASON TO WORRY about himself. He would have reacted like anyone else who woke to find their child missing. But, he didn't. He did all his thinking AFTER the police were called. He went to the basement, at 10am, knowing full well the police upstairs asked that he stay with the group in one area. He didn't do what Det.Arndt asked of him the entire morning. He was busy thinking, and thinking, planning the next move. He was so busy thinking, Vic, he forgot how to ACT. He forgot his cue at 10am when the "kidnapper/s" didn't call. He forgot to take his mark by the phone, and oh so convincingly wring his hands. He did, however, know just where all the props were stored, and that was certainly helpful. The focus became his bride, afterall, the props were found in HER "dressing room". Well, the bright side is that Johnny Wynette will never have to sing about their D-I-V-O-R-C-E becoming final today, or any other. They're forever on that tour BUS,lol. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Right, Edie" Posted by vic on 15:56:36 5/26/2000 He didn't know any evidence pointed to him, at the time he wasn't thinking about himself because he didn't do anything. I thinking he was just trying to process and troubleshoot the fact his wife did it. Wo! What another icky can of worms when things started to point towards him! No wonder they hate each other. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "A link" Posted by lee2 on 14:44:21 5/26/2000 Has anyone ever read this? I feel certain it's probably old news to everyone else - but today was the first time I had perused it and thought I would share the link: http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=613836401&search=thread&CONTEXT=959374829.1657405444&HIT_CONTEXT=959374829.1657405444&HIT_NUM=24&hitnum=0 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "I agree absolutely " Posted by fiddler on 16:36:00 5/26/2000 with EdiePratt (hi, Edie!) I think the 118,000 was--among other things--intended to suggest someone at Access Graphics who might have known the amount of John's bonus. Or, it could have been aimed at Linda Hoffman-Pugh. Patsy told the investigators the morning of JBR's disappearance that her housekeeper had "serious money problems" and that that was why PR had agreed to give Linda a $2,000 loan. Two thousand dollars, serious money? I don't think so. And neither did Patsy--but she thought that $118,000 would probably seem like a fortune to her housekeeper. Anyhow, I think the "inside job" statement was intended to refer either to John's work, or to one of the house maintenance people who had regular access. Certainly NOT to either Ramsey. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "freud or jung" Posted by maundy on 17:29:32 5/26/2000 which would have the best theory re tieing Jon into this? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "maundy" Posted by Sioux on 18:36:58 5/26/2000 My guess? Freud. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Inside Job" Posted by sabrina on 17:32:11 5/26/2000 I think when John said it was an "inside job", this was the last time he was telling the truth!! It makes sense with Steve Thomas' theory that John really didn't know what happened, and I bet when he realized what happened he did NOT want to know for sure, and probably to this day has never asked Patsy...but he knows. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "This is not what I believe" Posted by pinker on 17:50:41 5/26/2000 but something to ponder none the less. An 'inside job' may simply refer to the fact that JBR wasn't sucessfully kidnapped and remained 'inside' the home for all phases of the crime. The possibility that John fell out of character for his acting part in the staging and let that slip is more what I believe. He may not have memorized his script as well as he should have. It's about as dumb a statement as when he wanted to verbally verify that she was dead. Those remarks were made close together. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Did he know she was dead" Posted by lee2 on 18:08:51 5/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:08:51, 5/26/2000 when he uttered those words ("an inside job")? Of course - my curiosity about those three words is founded in a completely different train of thought . . . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "From One Blond to Another" Posted by Paralegal on 18:21:12 5/26/2000 Good question, one worthy of chronic reconsideration till we have an acceptable answer. I am theorizing that JR made this statement to Arndt because there were other insiders he knew were involved. Not family, but close family friends. By the time this statement was made, it must have been pretty clear that the cops weren't buying the kidnapping story. I've also suspected that that was the original plan, and JB's body was in another location (like the trunk of one of the Rams' car) and was meant to be disposed of away from the home. When the kidnapping story didn't fly, I truly believe JR went to the garage during his noticed absence that day and returned the body to the basement to play into the cops' suspicion that the case was really a homicide. I've always suspected that the argument between JR and FW was a breakdown in some agreement made between them as to how to handle the police investigation into events. I have suspected from the start that the Rams weren't the only ppl in the house that Christmas night and there are others involved in JB's death with an agreement between them to cover each other's arses. Otherwise, there is no logic for why JR would make such a stupid statement to a cop-except sheer stupidity! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "sheer stupidity" Posted by pinker on 18:41:10 5/26/2000 or a bad actor? Both shoes probably fit. I don't think JBR's body was ever in the trunk of the car. The excuse given for not being able to partcipate in police interviews befor they went to Atlanta-they had to ensure she had a 'proper burial'. That same 'proper burial' concern appears in the ransom note. It is difficult for parents who kill to part with the body. Women in particular want to wrap the body in plastic or 'protectively' submerge it in water. The wrapping of her body in the favorite blanket also emphasizes that point. Sorry-I've read way to many real crime books for my own good. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Lee2" Posted by momo on 19:17:25 5/26/2000 Hey! I read the link you posted above. Wow how amazing! Thank you so much for providing that information. I'd like to know more about the pornographic picture that was found of JonBenet. Sickos like those in the link should be made to suffer a cruel and horrible death. There is a sick secret behind the murder of JonBenet. As if her murder wasn't sick enough. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]