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More MW, lake, 17:34:01, 5/31/2000 Lake, becky, 17:54:39, 5/31/2000, (#1) fogging, Kelly, 18:04:35, 5/31/2000, (#2) MW info, Shaggy, 18:26:40, 5/31/2000, (#3) Looks like, lake, 21:47:41, 5/31/2000, (#4) But, sally denver, 21:53:32, 5/31/2000, (#5) Lake has Initialitis>>>, ayelean, 22:34:52, 5/31/2000, (#7) Not likely, SD, lake, 22:24:55, 5/31/2000, (#6) Well, lake, 22:38:25, 5/31/2000, (#8) Morons, short timer, 22:59:47, 5/31/2000, (#9) alphabet soup, maundy, 23:12:53, 5/31/2000, (#10) Here we go again!, A.K., 02:32:42, 6/01/2000, (#11) AK, Watching you, 05:47:39, 6/01/2000, (#13) A.K., Greenleaf, 05:41:30, 6/01/2000, (#12) Thank you both, A.K., 06:39:33, 6/01/2000, (#16) Interesting, AK, Cassandra, 06:25:01, 6/01/2000, (#15) AK, Luvsbeagles, 06:24:04, 6/01/2000, (#14) Hypocrisy strikes again, mary99, 06:53:12, 6/01/2000, (#17) Well, AK., Holly, 08:16:27, 6/01/2000, (#22) glad to see you back AK, luvsflowers, 07:03:56, 6/01/2000, (#18) A.K., hareen, 07:20:33, 6/01/2000, (#20) Well, well..., A.K., 07:15:05, 6/01/2000, (#19) I'm trying to think of a , Holly, 08:21:51, 6/01/2000, (#23) Hareen, A.K., 07:42:17, 6/01/2000, (#21) Holly & AK, fly, 08:36:15, 6/01/2000, (#28) A.K., mary99, 08:28:23, 6/01/2000, (#25) I agree with that observation, AK., Holly, 08:23:19, 6/01/2000, (#24) Good point, Holly, mary99, 08:34:44, 6/01/2000, (#27) Betsy talked about an actress..., Cassandra, 08:32:47, 6/01/2000, (#26) ................................................................... "More MW" Posted by lake on 17:34:01 5/31/2000 The claims of the woman from Ca. is the closest thing to date that makes the loose ends of this case tie together. Now this woman has a brother and a sister that are are alive and well. Her sister is two years younger than she, and her brother is 4 years younger than she. It seems to me that her stories of abuse and the long time connection to the White family could be cooberated by her siblings if they were willing to talk. But quite often, siblings do not come forward when this type of abuse and criminal activity is involved. But the kicker to me is the long time association with the White family if there is no biological connection between the two families. Especially since the mother of the MW confirms that she and a MW neice have been in the company of the Whites in Boulder Co. in 1996. Of course the mother says it was a Haloween party in 1996 and not the Christmas party that MW says the mother told her of. But is one to believe a long time abuser of children or a former child that was abused? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Lake" Posted by becky on 17:54:39 5/31/2000 A big yawn to all this mystery woman stuff. If you can't tell us who she is and what her claim is, it just makes me think that you are trying to damage FW's credibility by rumor and innuendo. So poop or get off the pot. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "fogging" Posted by Kelly on 18:04:35 5/31/2000 Let's not fog with this MW stuff right now. LKL is coming on with the Rams and Steve Thomas as we speak. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "MW info" Posted by Shaggy on 18:26:40 5/31/2000 Lots of info on the MW's family at the swamp. Very interesting indeed! If you can stand the constant barrage of LP saying sexual abuse doesn't exsist. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Looks like" Posted by lake on 21:47:41 5/31/2000 The words of NJK, SLK, EGK and a few others just might be enough to put GLCKB and some other behind bars for a few years and tie someone to the murder of JBR. But this is one for the FBI and not the BPD. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "But" Posted by sally denver on 21:53:32 5/31/2000 The Ramsey's are guilty in the death of JonBenet REGARDLESS of anything else! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Lake has Initialitis>>>" Posted by ayelean on 22:34:52 5/31/2000 re post #4 it smacks of SBTC. Is Lake bragging that it knows more than the rest of us. But then I suppose the killer would know more than the rest of us too. Maybe the killer and the person that the killer confides in. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Not likely, SD" Posted by lake on 22:24:55 5/31/2000 But since SLK(R) is a government employee, I think the Feds are might be able to put some extra pressure on that one. The case may be about to to turn the corner and ST is going to be run over again. This guy can't can't stay on his feet. Poor Steve. He is going to be run over but good this time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Well" Posted by lake on 22:38:25 5/31/2000 Most of you could be run over by the truth of this case and would not know what hit you. Just like little Stevie. If he were not such a moron one might feel sorry for him. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Morons" Posted by short timer on 22:59:47 5/31/2000 Why hope GLCKB is arrested? Why not AKC? And don't depend on SKR to help anyone. BTW, SKR is not to be confused with SR who is another problem, IMO. JMHO. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "alphabet soup" Posted by maundy on 23:12:53 5/31/2000 monkeys and tigers in my soup... SBTC Shabbat-chai [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Here we go again!" Posted by A.K. on 02:32:42 6/01/2000 It astonishes me that people still persist in promoting this angle in JB's death, and that others continue to give it credence. Thank goodness the officials handling this murder investigation know a phony story when they see one. What I see is the most pernicious attempt at obstructing justice since Jack Ruby shot Lee Oswald. I've stayed away from here because I was disgusted by the way innocent people and potential key witnesses have been pilloried. And for what? Not speaking out publicly because a few busybody posters wish they would? Unbelievable. And while I haven't been checking that carefully, I'm told there have been no apologies. We've seen hoaxes aplenty on the forums, among them Cinder, Crow, Quiet Samantha, Patricia, and many others. So why is this particular one so difficult for posters to identify and figure out? It certainly wasn't for me. I made a few calls and got what I needed to know. And it did NOT come from asking this so-called victim, her lawyer and/or her therapist, all of whom are of ZERO value in determining the veracity of her claims. I don't doubt that this woman has had problems in her life, perhaps because of others, perhaps not. One claim that she's made is that she was sexually assaulted with a beer bottle, and there seems to be some medical evidence of this. But there are lots of pathetic, needy people in the world, and others who have been manipulated for a panoply of reasons. There are also evil people who take a shred of truth and stretch it beyond the bounds of human decency and have no shame about making themselves victims or involving others. Surely there are interesting connections that merit checking out in her regard, and I can appreciate the curiosity for that, but some serious self-monitoring should be required before anything is presented publicly. There are great thinkers and contributors on this forum: Ruthee's ongoing developments are always a joy to read, Szundi's medical lectures are always brilliant, Ginja's view of the legal system should be required reading daily. The folks who do transcripts, and others who produce research are advancing the cause of justice each day, as is Chris for making all this possible. Please forgive me for not mentioning so many, many names who make valuable points. But there's a big difference in what should be public "conversation," and what should remain in private discussion or email until developed to a certain degree. I'm not trying to suppress theories or imagination -- I actually found exhilirating LeCarl's "stage 4" threads and encourage that type of digging... precisely because it is germane to the reality of this case, and is not just an attempt to smear people who have been patently cleared and who just happen to be the most feared critics of the RST. There's no way a serious news organization would ever air or print some of the information posted here in the past few weeks. Any reporter stupid enough to try to sell that to an editor would be fired. What company, or insurer, would accept the liability of such an individual who lacks basic good judgment? As I've said before, promoting the story, then backing off and saying "well, someone should investigate this, but not me, I'm no investigator" is one of the most craven acts I've ever heard of, and I'm well-experienced in the mischief that comes from long-unsolved, high profile cases. I found it interesting that Carol McKinley feels free to go on Peter Boyles' show and make a connection to both Whites and this woman, but has not --to my knowledge-- been allowed to make those same claims on FOX TV. I submit there's a reason for that. But surprise! In her appearances on Peter's show she is speaking as an employee of FOX; her opinions belong to the company store. Once again, the unprofessionalism of everything-Boulder rears its ugly head. I can also tell you with absolute assurance that no tabloid has offered this woman money for her story. Not a dime, and certainly not ten thousand dollars. The possible exception is if the Weekly World News made an offer, but their payment would only be in Monopoly money. It didn't happen, folks. Anyone telling you otherwise is LYING. You figure out why. I hope such people will take up a new hobby, like finding land mines. That way when they blow up in their faces, they'll only be hurting themselves. I will end with two cryptic notes that will surely frustrate fly, but oh well. Edie, the bear found a way to stay in hibernation and allow for its honey to be circulated. The deed is done, and I --for one-- am celebrating. Finally, I hope that everyone who contributed to this all-too-transparent hijacking attempt will be called on the carpet and asked to explain their actions in a proper forum. I have no intention of making things worse by saying more. But I'll just bet there's a washed-up, blue-eyed, lousy actress who's mourning her dashed hope to regain a public profile. Perhaps her partners in crime will now learn that it's not an easy thing trying to sell tainted goods. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "AK" Posted by Watching you on 05:47:39 6/01/2000 Well, you brought me out of lurk long enough to say BRAVO. What a brilliant, sensible, and absolutely truthful post. Thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "A.K." Posted by Greenleaf on 05:41:30 6/01/2000 Excellent; most thought-provoking post. GL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Thank you both" Posted by A.K. on 06:39:33 6/01/2000 I've calmed down a bit but I'm not backing down. I just needed to make the point that this is a situation that demands the utmost in professionalism. There are enough hazards in the path to a courtroom. When someone hands you a theory that is as potentially explosive as this one, it needs to be checked out in a private and rational way by people equipped for that type of work. If there's more than smoke, that will surface publicly in time. OTOH, people making extraordinary claims which they can't support should be held accountable. I blame Hunter for setting much of this in motion, but just because he behaved wrongly doesn't mean others should too. It's because I care so much about JW and its dedicated sleuths that I felt the need to speak out. The internet is a powerful avenue for truth seeking and JW does it best. That's why we must be extra diligent in recognizing trolls whose goal is to create internal strife, for whatever reason. This MW angle is an almost perfect creation of malicious mischief... only it didn't work. Fear not, they'll be back with something else. They always are. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Interesting, AK" Posted by Cassandra on 06:25:01 6/01/2000 Now I'm REALLY curious as to who you are, who the blue eyed actress is, and more. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "AK" Posted by Luvsbeagles on 06:24:04 6/01/2000 Thanks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Hypocrisy strikes again" Posted by mary99 on 06:53:12 6/01/2000 Well, A.K., won't make any claims to being more knowledgable than YOU, because that will just end in a spitting contest, but let me say this: You want a SMEAR-FREE forum to debate the murder of JBR? What about all the things that have been said about PR, JR, Santa and Mrs. Santa, Burke, LHP, and GPP? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, IMVHO. You should abide by your own standards; if that means saying no ill about unindicted case figures, so be it. No more trashing PR, JR, BR, Santa and Mrs, AH, GPP, and any other I may have missed. That's fine if you want to be more moralistic than I. But to attempt to limit discourse on some very valid and debatable issues smacks of control of free expression and imposition of YOUR values on me. See the disclaimer at the bottom of this post. I am speaking my opinion and basing it upon the facts I have at hand. If you think the BPD cleared Fleet White of the allegations made by MW, read the press release again. Yes, Mark Beckner said Fleet White was cleared of the murder of JBR - that does not mean cleared no matter what comes up in the FBI investigation. Mark Beckner did NOT clear Fleet White of involvement in a sex ring, however. He did not clear Fleet White of allegations made by MW. He did not say there would never be charges filed against Fleet White, or that Fleet White is an unsung hero. He indicated that based on what they know now, FW is not a suspect in the JBR murder. Mark Beckner did NOT declare MW to be a fraud, or say the there was no truth to her claims. He did not say she was an unemployed actress, YOU did. So, if you think she is a fraud, why not prove it? Can you? I doubt it. I appreciate the good insights and discussion here as much as you, and have no quarrel with those who don't agree with my views on MW. But to read some posters comments on her is just plain sickening. Comments that she is an unemployed actress who is trying to make a few bucks are not case-related, their opinions, and venomous ones at that. Please contact your hero and ask him to explain his alter names and numbers. We look forward to the results of your sleuthing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Well, AK." Posted by Holly on 08:17:51 6/01/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:17:51, 6/01/2000 You are certainly entitled to your informed observations, but why not back them up with some resources/sources we can all examine? I have made no secret that I distrust the Whites -- and why. You say to trust them. MW is a sham etc. How do you know not a single tab offered money (Monopoly $ excluded)? And who said tabs offered money to begin with? Why are you mentioning a beer bottle assault? I've not heard that anywhere else and what does it have to do with JBR? Is that supposed to diminish MW's credibility. I don't get it What good is all of this if the goal is to revive a sagging career as an actress? Do you have proof that MW has had an acting career that needs to be jumpstarted? If the faded actress stays out of sight and secret, how does her career benefit? Why can't opinions anti-White be discussed? The Whites have sought a public forum to talk to the People of Colorado, so what's wrong with talking back? I've got news for Fleet and Priscilla. Murder of a child is ugly business. If they think they are immune from scrutiny, especially in light of their proximity to the evidence, the victim, the major players, they are pretty damn stupid. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "glad to see you back AK" Posted by luvsflowers on 07:03:56 6/01/2000 I thought at one time you had some connection to reporting or was it the tabs? My memory is not too good. Please verify the connection if you are in a postiion to do so. Also did that "something is gonna happen in the next few weeks" that you predicted ever come to pass? did we miss it? I miss a lot here on the threads and am glad you showed back up to clarify. Thanks in advance. Also Lake I have asked you this numerous times to no avail. If there is a shred of evidence that FW is connected to the murder why arent the Rams screaming this from the housetops as it would seem to point the finger away from them? Surely you are not keeping this information from them? you are their biggest supporter--well second biggest. Why are they still insisting it was a sicko pedophile stranger? Everyone agrees it was someone who knew them very well but they still hang onto the preposterous notion that it is an "unknown subject" that committed this crime. When are you going to help them out by giving them your theory? Their investigators could surely check it out and answer all these questions you are bringing out. Luvs [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "A.K." Posted by hareen on 07:20:33 6/01/2000 Please don't take this as being confrontational. I'm genuinely puzzled about something. You ask why posters are having trouble identifying this hoax. You say you made a few calls and got what you needed to know. You mention MW's partners in crime. Considering that you have this information, you are obviously legitimately concerned about the continued trashing of certain case related people. So A.K., why don't you just say what you know? Can't you see that if you have proof of who is behind this, you are in a position to put the whole thing to rest? Intelligent people who know what MW has said have found her believable. We've been told that she has some convincing documentation. Since the police declared her story not related to the Ramsey case, a link has been established to a former poster who apparently is related to MW. We've heard that he has been part of threats made to her, has been shown to have an interest in influencing the GJ, and has connections in the BDP. It has been implied that there are other things in regard to all this that we still don't know. Can't you understand why some people won't let this go just yet? Or why some of us wonder how this "hoax" was all pulled off and by whom? How did the the people behind it find an "actress" with a documented history of this kind of abuse and a connection to certain case figures? If you know, tell us. Or tell us why you won't tell us. Please! If you have the ability to put an end to this, do it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Well, well..." Posted by A.K. on 07:15:05 6/01/2000 Why am I not surprised to see Mary99's undies in a bunch? Keep peddling, sister. Just don't be surprised if no one's buying. As for the actress, she's not MW. And I'll decline your request to expand on my theory. Luvs, I work in the media and have solid contacts. I explained about the "news" in my comment to Edie. I hope that helps. Allow me to give a huge cheer to Steve Thomas and Larry King. That was some remarkable television! Take care, all. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "I'm trying to think of a " Posted by Holly on 08:21:51 6/01/2000 blue eyed actress with a sagging career. Hmmmm. Goldie Hawn? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Hareen" Posted by A.K. on 07:42:17 6/01/2000 Those are fair questions to ask, but I'm not in a position to contribute more. I believe the investigation is in good hands, but should be conducted in silence. This idea that the People deserve to know everything is not one anyone with experience would agree with. I'd like to know more too, but if the information isn't forthcoming I won't make an assumption that there's something "there." And luckily I'm blessed with patience. Gotta run! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Holly & AK" Posted by fly on 08:37:19 6/01/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:37:19, 6/01/2000 AK - Many good points. More specific info would be nice, however, with or without the cryptic bits. Holly - How do you know not a single tab offered money (Monopoly $ excluded)? And who said tabs offered money to begin with? The first is a legit question, but you have to be joking about the second. How many times have we read the bit about how MW has been offered thousands of dollars for her story, but to protect her story's value/her integrity/etc. she has declined. In most cases the tabs were very, very strongly implied as the source of the offer, and I think explicitly stated at least once. Note, I'm not referring to the bribes supposedly offered by some of the people her story threatens to expose. That is a separate offer. If you question whether it was the tabs, then who was it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "A.K." Posted by mary99 on 08:28:23 6/01/2000 You can run, but you can't HIDE! Don't expect people to buy what you say about MW just because you 'say so'. Prove it. I listened to her and I believe her. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "I agree with that observation, AK." Posted by Holly on 08:23:19 6/01/2000 A homicide investigation cannot be 100% public. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Good point, Holly" Posted by mary99 on 08:34:44 6/01/2000 I don't expect the FBI to start leaking to the tabs or to A.K. for that matter any time soon. In good time we will have answers to our questions and until then, I choose to believe MW over a man with some phony names and numbers, and a bunch of unanswered questions swirling around his head. If you are such an investigator that you can 'find the truth' about MW, please 'find the truth' about those questions I posed and post the answer here. Or have you already had contact with White? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Betsy talked about an actress..." Posted by Cassandra on 08:32:47 6/01/2000 HMMMMMMM An actress with sagging blue eyes... LOL Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]