Justice Watch Support JW "Where does this info come from?" [ Main ] [ Post New Thread ] [ Help ] [ Search ] Table of Contents ................................................................... Where does this info come from?, 1000Sparks, 06:54:52, 6/02/2001 sparky, driver, 06:56:36, 6/02/2001, (#1) I think there are, Watching you, 07:01:13, 6/02/2001, (#2) Hey, I love you guys., Twitch, 07:12:55, 6/02/2001, (#3) I tried to research it, Twitch, 07:18:54, 6/02/2001, (#4) Twitcheroo, Watching you, 07:20:46, 6/02/2001, (#5) Well, Twitch, 07:27:48, 6/02/2001, (#6) sighs, v_p, 07:31:10, 6/02/2001, (#7) I saved most, Watching you, 07:36:21, 6/02/2001, (#8) Old Threads, Chris, 08:54:44, 6/02/2001, (#9) It comes from, watchin', 11:50:40, 6/02/2001, (#10) I think..., Phantom, 11:59:18, 6/02/2001, (#11) I don't know, Watching you, 12:25:37, 6/02/2001, (#12) WOR. Law. What are they good for?, Dunvegan, 13:20:01, 6/02/2001, (#14) BTW...the excerpt above references "flame war..., Dunvegan, 13:31:42, 6/02/2001, (#16) Phantom, 1000Sparks, 13:06:06, 6/02/2001, (#13) Oh come on now...., Phantom, 13:29:55, 6/02/2001, (#15) Sparks, pinker, 13:52:57, 6/02/2001, (#17) Thanks Dunvegan!, watchin', 14:23:51, 6/02/2001, (#19) lies or errors?, fly, 14:23:16, 6/02/2001, (#18) Fly, JR, 14:28:28, 6/02/2001, (#20) Why?, Phantom, 14:33:19, 6/02/2001, (#21) JR, fly, 14:40:55, 6/02/2001, (#22) Phantom, JR, 14:45:42, 6/02/2001, (#23) Trashed here.., Phantom, 16:28:01, 6/02/2001, (#26) Where in the , DuBois, 15:57:00, 6/02/2001, (#24) Where do you think, Watching you, 15:59:00, 6/02/2001, (#25) Unfortunately, phantom, Watching you, 16:32:19, 6/02/2001, (#27) If FW..., Phantom, 16:36:57, 6/02/2001, (#28) Phantom, JR, 16:54:24, 6/02/2001, (#29) I am SO..., Phantom, 17:04:48, 6/02/2001, (#30) So, as long as, Watching you, 17:14:04, 6/02/2001, (#31) I don't know.., Phantom, 17:37:59, 6/02/2001, (#32) Well Phantom, JR, 17:59:26, 6/02/2001, (#33) I agree.., Phantom, 18:15:19, 6/02/2001, (#34) FW, DuBois, 18:38:51, 6/02/2001, (#35) Help, Texan, 19:04:38, 6/02/2001, (#36) watchin, Twitch, 06:30:48, 6/03/2001, (#37) Excuse me!, momo, 12:38:04, 6/03/2001, (#39) MW...Boring, Shamrockgirl, 12:35:25, 6/03/2001, (#38) momo, fly, 12:55:29, 6/03/2001, (#40) Right, Fly, momo, 13:32:06, 6/03/2001, (#41) momo, fly, 13:46:27, 6/03/2001, (#42) Fly, momo, 14:27:25, 6/03/2001, (#43) momo, fly, 16:54:43, 6/03/2001, (#44) Chris, v_p, 21:20:58, 6/03/2001, (#45) V_P, Chris, 05:46:30, 6/04/2001, (#46) Really?, v_p, 07:43:59, 6/04/2001, (#47) v_p, fly, 08:17:31, 6/04/2001, (#48) vp, Twitch, 08:31:10, 6/04/2001, (#49) v_p, Tricia, 08:55:14, 6/04/2001, (#50) and ME?, 1000Sparks, 09:10:08, 6/04/2001, (#51) What I think, Watching you, 09:55:08, 6/04/2001, (#52) Chris,, LurkerXIV, 10:37:10, 6/04/2001, (#53) I enjoy v_p, ayelean, 10:53:10, 6/04/2001, (#54) Lurker, momo, 11:13:19, 6/04/2001, (#56) Changed my mind, 1000Sparks, 11:11:35, 6/04/2001, (#55) AND.........., 1000Sparks, 11:54:08, 6/04/2001, (#58) Sparky, momo, 11:53:19, 6/04/2001, (#57) HAHA, momo..., LurkerXIV, 13:24:39, 6/04/2001, (#62) Lurker, momo, 14:49:52, 6/04/2001, (#65) momo,, LurkerXIV, 14:59:26, 6/04/2001, (#67) hahahahahah, Watching you, 12:12:49, 6/04/2001, (#59) I'm sure, Florida, 13:09:33, 6/04/2001, (#60) I think that , DuBois, 13:24:58, 6/04/2001, (#63) Florida, Chris, 13:18:34, 6/04/2001, (#61) Geez, Sparky....., Bets, 13:36:30, 6/04/2001, (#64) Just a thought, momo, 14:57:57, 6/04/2001, (#66) JW's Graveyard...ROFL!, LurkerXIV, 15:01:44, 6/04/2001, (#68) Lurker, momo, 16:02:21, 6/04/2001, (#70) Sparky, JR, 15:53:16, 6/04/2001, (#69) Thanks, v_p, 19:05:36, 6/04/2001, (#71) V_P, momo, 19:39:01, 6/04/2001, (#72) V_P & Momo, Chris, 19:54:30, 6/04/2001, (#73) Chris, DuBois, 20:55:31, 6/04/2001, (#74) Chris, JR, 21:52:46, 6/04/2001, (#75) v_p, Gemini, 22:40:07, 6/04/2001, (#76) Ohhhhhh, momo, 04:52:55, 6/05/2001, (#77) Thank you , v_p, 05:38:01, 6/05/2001, (#78) Am I too late?, St. Paddy, 06:14:32, 6/05/2001, (#79) I'm late too...., Scully, 10:11:56, 6/05/2001, (#80) Ditto, ditto, and more dittoes..., LurkerXIV, 10:20:44, 6/05/2001, (#81) OK, Lurker,, Scully, 10:43:50, 6/05/2001, (#82) Scully...that's more like it!, LurkerXIV, 17:28:57, 6/05/2001, (#84) Scully, fly, 12:00:58, 6/05/2001, (#83) Yep, Lurker, Watching you, 17:59:41, 6/05/2001, (#85) waaaaaaaaaa, v_p, 18:12:34, 6/05/2001, (#86) Another Country, Lacey, 19:09:11, 6/05/2001, (#89) Wow, V_P, momo, 19:02:09, 6/05/2001, (#88) Kids are on loan V-P, Florida, 19:02:04, 6/05/2001, (#87) Well, well, well, FT, 21:16:59, 6/05/2001, (#90) Lacey, Watching you, 04:31:20, 6/06/2001, (#91) Mayperhaps, v_p, 06:18:58, 6/06/2001, (#92) Lacey, fly, 08:13:12, 6/06/2001, (#94) v_p, Watching you, 07:51:46, 6/06/2001, (#93) Fly, Watching you, 08:46:20, 6/06/2001, (#95) This has also been, Florida, 10:31:24, 6/06/2001, (#96) Wow!, Gemini, 11:17:07, 6/06/2001, (#98) WY, Florida, fly, 11:09:35, 6/06/2001, (#97) Fly, Gemini, 11:25:04, 6/06/2001, (#99) Florida, Fly, Watching you, 12:43:42, 6/06/2001, (#100) Darby was just as bad..., LurkerXIV, 14:09:06, 6/06/2001, (#101) WY , fly, 14:31:29, 6/06/2001, (#102) Lurker, Fly, Watching you, 14:39:38, 6/06/2001, (#103) WY and L-XIV, Gemini, 15:43:15, 6/06/2001, (#104) mameisms, v_p, 18:15:20, 6/06/2001, (#105) Isn't it time to start another thread?, ayelean, 19:15:26, 6/06/2001, (#106) v_p and Gem, Scully, 20:58:11, 6/06/2001, (#107) ................................................................... "Where does this info come from?" Posted by 1000Sparks on 06:54:52 6/02/2001 OK, now we know that the whole MW thing was a farce. I think I will believe the letter from the FBI over any poster here. (See Candy's CS thread) There are some posters from JW who totally believed that this was an ongoing investigation. Where did they get their information from? Who told "them" this? Was it just concocted to get at FW? I'm losing faith in some of these mean and lying posts. My biggest question is: Why are some posters hellbent to get Fleet White? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "sparky" Posted by driver on 06:56:36 6/02/2001 face saving? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "I think there are" Posted by Watching you on 07:01:13 6/02/2001 some posters who need to be taken to task for their involvement in this lie. The FBI is not and has not been involved in investigating the so-called Mystery Woman/Nancy Krebs allegations. It would seem that was an out and out lie. The question is, did the posters involved in spreading this lie know it was a lie or were they duped as well. I think it's about time someone told the truth here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Hey, I love you guys." Posted by Twitch on 07:12:55 6/02/2001 Ok, raise your hand if you're bored and trying to pick a fight. Sparky, sparky, sparky. Wy, wy, wy. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Judge not that ye be not judged. The Bible, ok. There is always a good chance I am wrong, but I believe towards the end of the last go round, mame, or holly, or mary, or morgan was complaining that there was no comprehensive investigation done by the FBI and that was why they wanted to pursue it further. (I love you guys.) Please don't hurt me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "I tried to research it" Posted by Twitch on 10:44:24 6/02/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:44:24, 6/02/2001 but the threads are gone. Again, I may be wrong, but I think it was mame complaining about it. Maybe someone can remember. I believe in at least one post, she stated that she didn't believe the FBI was seriously investigating it or maybe she said that she hoped the FBI was seriously investigating. I don't know. Maybe I should keep my mouth shut when I'm not sure what I'm talking about. Shit, then I'd be mute. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Twitcheroo" Posted by Watching you on 07:20:46 6/02/2001 no fight, only consequences for our actions - all of us. I do believe it was mame who continued to claim the FBI was investigating and the investigation was still going on. If I have to dig out the posts, I can do that. This will never be over until it is firmly laid to rest. The FBI never investigated. Period. It was a lie. After the thorough beating a lot of us got here, I think an apology is in order. If that is starting a fight, so be it. I love you, too, Twitch. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Well" Posted by Twitch on 07:28:18 6/02/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:28:18, 6/02/2001 Maybe I was a bit sarcastic. I won't say I'm sorry because I used to get in trouble with Wy for doing it all the time. Do you have all those threads saved? Cool. The 70's wiped out half my brain so I'm at everyone's mercy as far as rememberances. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "sighs" Posted by v_p on 07:31:10 6/02/2001 I shoulda come here first... Wording is everything for mame, if you ask me... go ahead, ask me. Also, I doubt you'll find the posts you're looking for, somehow certain posts from certain posters always disappear.... Now leave me alone, I gotta pack... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "I saved most" Posted by Watching you on 07:36:21 6/02/2001 of the offending threads, but unless there is a major clamoring for them, I'm going to try to use a level head here and heed Twitch's wise counsel. Be informed, though, that I am armed and dangerous if there are any CYA attempts. It is obvious someone lied. I'll leave it to everyone to form their own opinions. Now, I'm going to finish cleaning my house. Twitch, never ever say you are sorry unless you have done something you really are sorry for. Otherwise, you don't need to be sorry. I'm not sorry you said it. Sorry is for people who need to apologize. Do I have to do a sermon on Sorry? You are allowed to smack WY any time you want to, because your bones aren't mean, ya know? If you had mean bones, I'd be coming after you, haha. Twitch, it can make a difference if that dog is a male or female. I suspect male, unless it is a spayed female. I'll e-mail you later. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Old Threads" Posted by Chris on 08:54:44 6/02/2001 We have limited space here (50 MB) and so I do frequently delete old threads. If there is an old thread you're looking for all you have to do is email me (webmaster@justicewatch.com) with as much information about the thread as you can remember (title or content and timeframe helps me a lot). I always do my best to find old threads and email them to those who request them. V_P perhaps you should try that sometime rather than simply assuming that there is some alterior movtive or conspiracy behind my actions. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "It comes from" Posted by watchin' on 11:50:40 6/02/2001 Posters who pass on information without personally verifying it. Misinformation is also passed because people like gossip, dirt and juicy little tidbits to fill theirboring days. I agree about the word "sorry". It should never be used unless one ismaking a genuine declaration of apology for a wrong. The same goes for defending ones position to the various forum cliques. If there is no truth to vicious rumor, there is no need to take a defensive stance. ;-) When the 'misinformation' is spread as fact and others accept the information, they are in the same category as those who deliberately or ignorantly perpetuate the rumor or gossip. Now, if some think rumor is truth and it "explains a lot"..to them, then they have made a choice to go with the flow rather than search for the truth. It all comes down to sticking with the group...depending on which group you are an accepted member.Hearing 'bad' things about a poster is somehow more exciting than KNOWING truth. Just food for thought. :-) Have a great day...everyone! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "I think..." Posted by Phantom on 11:59:18 6/02/2001 it was FW or his father? that had some kind of sexual "incidence" that wasn't real gib event? DOn't remember who said what, and I don't want to keep my mouth closed either....... I also think, (just because I do) that there are at least one poster that is a friend of FW that saids don't even mention FW. Don't like people talking other people wwho not to even mention... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "I don't know" Posted by Watching you on 12:25:37 6/02/2001 what you just said, Phantom. Are you okay? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "WOR. Law. What are they good for?" Posted by Dunvegan on 13:20:01 6/02/2001 From: Libel Law Hits the Net by Robert Apgood Washington State Bar News http://www.wsba.org/barnews/tech/greypunkfeb99.html The Internet has changed, and is changing, the way the world works. Certainly, the Internet is changing the way we communicate globally and locally. E-mail, web-based "chat rooms" and the increasing use of Internet telephony (kiss those long-distance charges goodbye!) are, if not supplanting, certainly taking a large bite out of the use of traditional mail ("snail-mail") and the inclination to pick up the telephone for more immediate interaction. Along similar lines, where once we belonged to "political discussion groups" and "book clubs" meeting on a regular basis, we now can engage in these discussions with an even larger group of participants daily (or more frequently). And, as is not unusual when large numbers of people convene to discuss a topic of mutual interest, individual personalities clash and tempers flare. Sometimes, when an attack is particularly vehement, the "attackee" (perhaps feeling that his or her reputation has been damaged) has sought legal recourse for that slander. When an attack has manifested itself in print (say, in a letter to the editor of the local newspaper, or in news-article coverage of the meeting), the injured party pursues a libel action. I remind you of the distinction because, with all of this "written" flaming happening on the Internet, there is a remarkable scarcity of defamation lawsuits arising from it. Arguably, due to the Internet, libel is dead. Mike Godwin points out in his book, Cyber Rights,[1] that "even though the law of libel is very old, the law of the Internet is still forming." As with any new medium of communication, the courts wrestle with new rules to ensure that users of that medium are afforded basic protections stemming from the Constitution; which protections must balance the rights of an aggrieved party against the rights of the party against whom the protection is sought. And, as with any new question, the courts make both good and bad law as the question matures. To better understand why the emerging case law is both good and bad, we must first look to the root case law upon which these decisions are made. For libel, the touchstone case is New York Times Co. v. Sullivan.[2] The Times had published an advertisement that promoted the civil rights movement in the South and solicited funds to support those efforts. The advertisement contained some minor factual errors not tolerated by libel law at that time, and Sullivan, an elected commissioner of the city of Montgomery, Alabama, brought a civil suit against the Times and others. Losing at the outset, the Times fought the suit all the way to the Supreme Court. The Court found that Alabama libel law conflicted with the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of the press, and in its opinion, fundamentally altered the legal definition of the "malice" element of the tort. This change ultimately created a distinction between "public" and "private" figures, establishing differing standards for each in the determination of whether the element was satisfied in libel claims. Predictably, the standard was raised for public figures, reasoning that they have greater access to the printed media to refute allegations of wrongdoing than do private figures - refutation being the primary and preferred response to the wrong to minimize damage to one's reputation. Because very few private individuals had access to the media, the libel law created a means to level the playing field by providing a forum where the wronged private figure could make this refutation. In the Times case, the Court's definition of "malice" required a showing that the publication was known to be false or was published with reckless disregard as to its truth or falsity. As a result, libel cases have historically held the media liable for publishing a defamer's statements. One of the most influential and lasting cases of libel on the Internet is Cubby v. CompuServe,[3] decided on summary judgment in favor of CompuServe. CompuServe had contracted with a third party to conduct a special-interest forum called "Rumorville." Cubby claimed that defamatory material about its business had been posted by a user to the forum on CompuServe's computers and sued both the third party and CompuServe. Knowing that a "republisher" of a defamation (alleging CompuServe) is as liable as the original publisher (here, the third party), Cubby felt confident that it would win. Analogizing CompuServe to a newspaper or television (all "publish" information to large numbers of people), this assumption was probably reasonable. A "common carrier" such as a telephone service provider who typically does not and cannot exercise any prior control on what is said, hence, has no liability for libel. Acknowledging that CompuServe is not a common carrier, the CompuServe attorneys posited a third model that fell somewhere in between the two traditional models. They argued that CompuServe acted as a "provider-as-bookstore" and, as such, was not liable to any greater degree than a bookstore that sells magazines and books that may contain defamatory material. In this vein, they argued, absent some prior "actual knowledge" of the contents of the postings, CompuServe should not be liable to Cubby for the postings. The court agreed and granted CompuServe's motion for summary judgment. In the opinion, the court noted that "[w]hile CompuServe may decline to carry a given publication altogether, in reality, once it does decide to carry a given publication, it will have little or no editorial control over that publication's contents." This was a tacit recognition that, although it has the right to exercise broad controls, CompuServe does not function as an editor/publisher in doing so. This is the good law. But every coin has two sides. Many readers of the Cubby decision wrongly interpret the holding in that case as requiring a forum service-provider to elect to exercise all-or-no controls on the content of its publications. It was this wrong interpretation that led to the decision in Stratton Oakmont v. Prodigy.[4] Like CompuServe, Prodigy is a provider of Internet services and forums in which members may participate in a manner akin to Usenet news groups. And, like Cubby, Stratton Oakmont suffered libelous postings in one of Prodigy's forums. However, because Prodigy had at one time exercised "editorial" censuring of postings to its forums (and still does on a lesser basis in the form of a "filter" that edits out postings containing profane language), the court, in a misinterpretation of Cubby, found Prodigy liable. The court reasoned that, due to this prescreening, Prodigy acted as a traditional "publisher" and not a "distributor" like CompuServe. In fact, Prodigy is little different from CompuServe and its ilk. This is the bad law. Conflicting holdings notwithstanding, what you find when you look under the sheets is that parties who are libeled on the Internet are remarkably like public figures in traditional libel settings. When they are libeled in public forums, unlike their private predecessors, they are not victims of lack of access to the media. In fact, they can (and frequently do) quickly respond with lengthy point-by-point refutations of the accusations by invoking the Supreme Court's preferred method of defense. Further, by "thrusting himself into the vortex" of public debate, the typical poster crosses the threshold from private into public figurehood[5] and bears the heavier burden of proof of the "malice" element of the tort, a standard that is difficult to meet. It is here that we find the answer to why there are so few libel cases arising from Internet discourse. And, although (a person) may well have been insulted, (they) will most likely find it difficult to prove (their) case. [1] Cyber Rights, by Mark Godwin at http://www.panix.com/~mnemonic/ [2] 376 U.S. 254 (1964). [3] 776 F.Supp. 135 (1991). [4] 1995 NY Misc. Lexis 229; May 24, 1995 N.Y. Sup. [5] See Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323 (1974). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "BTW...the excerpt above references "flame wars"..." Posted by Dunvegan on 13:31:42 6/02/2001 ...and libel, specifically. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Phantom" Posted by 1000Sparks on 13:06:06 6/02/2001 Who said not to mention FW cause he/she was a friend of theirs? and, just out of curiosity, where are you from? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Oh come on now...." Posted by Phantom on 13:33:05 6/02/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:33:05, 6/02/2001 What was all the talk about FW!? First it was don't say anything if you don't have proof, and then it was don't even mention his name!(Not by all but by those that I took as some kind of friends, possibly.) Edited to add: How should I know what I said when I was remembering what someone else posted not TOO long ago. ? :-) Yes, I've been adviced to be quiet when I didn't know what I was talking about, but since someone decided that they would never post if they did that, wth. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Sparks" Posted by pinker on 13:52:57 6/02/2001 They were hellbent to get Fleet White because it makes the soap opera of this murder more understanding. It's humanly easier to believe a stranger killed and assulted a child than a parent. The truth that JonBenet was bashed on the head by Patsy for soiling herself seems so benign. PS It's okay to lose faith in posters just don't lose it in mankind. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Thanks Dunvegan!" Posted by watchin' on 14:23:51 6/02/2001 Very interesting review. Holding someone libel is nto as difficult as this article leads one to believe. There is new ground being broken and ohl "loopholes" given a new meaning. Take this scenario for instance from a very smart person who lives to challenge the very persons who think 'free speach' means a license to say or write whatever they desire withoug accountability. That is not what free speach is about. If an internet poster is well know in his/her real life community and beyond not only by his/her given name but also the posting "hat" which may be a real life nickname, annd that poster has been libled to the point that poster suffered a loss either physically, financially or emotionionally, there is definate judical recourse for the one harmed. Good news, eh? It would be very dangerous to assume people only sue for money. The loss of one's reputation due to printed gossip AS FACT, is motivation enough in some cases. In other words, the internet in some ways makes a lible suit easier due to new 'computer forensics' which can and do estalish that documents, such as, but not limited to, E-mail can verified as FALSIFIED or EDITED for the purpose of defaming an individual. Gotta' love technology! ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "lies or errors?" Posted by fly on 14:23:16 6/02/2001 Well this is interesting news, to say the least. Here are my thoughts on the "continuing" investigation: I think it is quite possible that mame et al. are as surprised about this as anybody. I think it is entirely possible that mame et al. did not intentionally lied about the ongoing investigation. They assumed there was one, based on the fact that the FBI apparently interviewed NK, and later supposedly told her the investigation would take time. It's possible that they knew it had been aborted almost immediately, of course, but I kind of doubt it. I think they were just wrong (because their initial assumptions were wrong), not lying. If anybody is lying, my bet is that it is NK (concerning reporting the FBI told her the investigation might take a long time). Without question, mame et al. should acknowledge that they were wrong about the FBI, and that it looks like they were wrong about NK. I think we'll get the former, but I have my doubts about the latter. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Fly" Posted by JR on 14:28:28 6/02/2001 The apology should extend to Fleet White don't you think? Especially when his "arrest" record was also posted. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Why?" Posted by Phantom on 14:33:19 6/02/2001 Should FW need an apology? Does he read here? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "JR" Posted by fly on 14:40:55 6/02/2001 JR - Sure, an apology for FW is in order. That would be better if directed to him, personally, rather than posted here, however. That's between them and FW, not them and the forum. But they should do what their consciences tell them to, not what I or anybody here says. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Phantom" Posted by JR on 14:45:42 6/02/2001 Because he was trashed here? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Trashed here.." Posted by Phantom on 16:28:01 6/02/2001 my a$$. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Where in the " Posted by DuBois on 15:57:00 6/02/2001 heck are they? Doesn't anyone think that they should be here to explain any of this? I myself think that we all deserve an explaination from the person that was close to MW. This silence tells me alot. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Where do you think" Posted by Watching you on 15:59:00 6/02/2001 they are, DuBois? They are here. They are planning. They are waiting for their reincarnation. Okay, I'll be serious. What I said. Do NOT expect them to explain anything. They are not done with this. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Unfortunately, phantom" Posted by Watching you on 16:32:19 6/02/2001 it wasn't your ass, it was FW's ass. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "If FW..." Posted by Phantom on 16:36:57 6/02/2001 doesn't read here, what's the big deal????????? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Phantom" Posted by JR on 16:54:24 6/02/2001 Do you know that Fleet White doesn't read here? He also has children who may be net savy and read here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "I am SO..." Posted by Phantom on 17:04:48 6/02/2001 worried that FW or anybody ELSE in the world COULD read here. If you are SO worried about it, contact and tell him NOT to read here............because you don't make any reasonable sense saying that somebody COULD read here. What are you??? The SOMEBODY could read here police propaganda machine or WHAT????????????? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "So, as long as" Posted by Watching you on 17:14:04 6/02/2001 (you say) he doesn't read here, it's okay, then, right, phantom? What about all the people who DO read here? Any effect on them at all? Is it possible they might believe this stuff about FW and say what a bad guy he is? How would YOU like it if someone did that to YOU? I wouldn't like it at all. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "I don't know.." Posted by Phantom on 17:37:59 6/02/2001 what is true about FW. I don't know or care about FW. You say he was trashed. I don't remember him being trashed. I thought people could post about anything, especially about the murder of JonBenet. As it came up, there was a MW. She mentioned FW. ANYONE has a right the post, or think, or wonder, or want any info that sheds light on any of the other posts here. If that is a problem for you, don't post about it. Just don't cry poor poor FW. Oh. I mean, poor poor FLEET WHITE. Oh no, I must have trashed him...... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Well Phantom" Posted by JR on 17:59:26 6/02/2001 What if a poster were to be able to access your real name and that poster then proceeded to accuse you of being involved in a sex ring who used little girls. If it were not true, wouldn't you want a public apology? Nuff said. The question is rhetorical. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "I agree.." Posted by Phantom on 18:15:19 6/02/2001 it totally doesn't belong anywhere. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "FW" Posted by DuBois on 18:38:51 6/02/2001 Knows who tarnished his name, and those that stood behind him. Those that tarnished his name should have enough guts to fess up and say that they were wrong. I have a question. Did the crowd at beyond leave before this news broke, or just recently? I haven't read over there so i don't know when they split. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Help" Posted by Texan on 19:13:58 6/02/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:13:58, 6/02/2001 What letter? I don't know what you're writing about because I usually don't venture in here but saw a reference to the MW thing being "out" and was curious so came to see what was up and I'm no wiser than I was before. Edited to say: nevermind - I think I found the links to a letter to someone from someone in the FBI. I got it now. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "watchin" Posted by Twitch on 06:33:13 6/03/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 06:33:13, 6/03/2001 I'm wondering about your post #10. If that is directed at me would you be so kind as to say so. When you post in generalities you deny the poster your message is aimed at the opportunity to respond. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Excuse me!" Posted by momo on 21:17:11 6/03/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:17:11, 6/03/2001 Where does anyone get the impression that the letter makes claims that the MW story was a farce? If I'm not mistaken, the letter plainly states that there was no jurisdiction on the part of the FBI, since there were no federal laws broken. An investigation wasn't warranted because of that reason alone. It has nothing to do with whether or not NK's story is true or not. While my theory centers around premeditation on Patsy's part, I will leave open all other possibilities of what happened to JonBenet. It would be nice if we could all investigate this case and go down any road we choose without being told what we can and can't investigate. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "MW...Boring" Posted by Shamrockgirl on 12:35:25 6/03/2001 I always guessed that MW was one big "red herring" now it's been confirmed..... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "momo" Posted by fly on 12:55:29 6/03/2001 momo - No legal beagle here, but I suspect that transporting kids across state lines for sexual purposes, filming kids engaged in sex - just two of the things NK claimed had occurred - probably fall within federal jurisdiction. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Right, Fly" Posted by momo on 13:32:06 6/03/2001 I got the impression that the FBI was referring to the JonBenet Ramsey case. After all, that is why Nancy came forward. She believed that her experiences could shed some light on what happened to JonBenet and not primarily for herself. I may be wrong. But, I still don't see where the letter makes reference to her story being fraudulent, only that it was out of the FBI's jurisdiction. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "momo" Posted by fly on 13:46:27 6/03/2001 momo - No, it doesn't say specifically that NK's story is fraudulent. It also doesn't say that they didn't investigate because of jurisdictional issues. The BPD referred the situation to the FBI because NK was alleging activities that would violate federal law. Seems to me that rules out an FBI decision "only" because of lack of jurisdiction. Seems to me that there has to be an element of "nothing credible" involved. BPD said there was nothing within their jurisdiction or relating to the JBR case. The FBI said there was nothing for them to investigate, sent their info back to BPD. Note that they didn't send their stuff to California or any other location. If there is nothing federal (as you suggest), and there is nothing for CO (BPD), and the FBI didn't deem it necessary to share with CA or any other state, I sure as heck don't see what is left in terms of any illegal activities. That is, we're left with there being nothing for anybody to investigate anywhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Fly" Posted by momo on 14:27:25 6/03/2001 I guess I'm not surprised at you taking my comments elsewhere. You're not trying to stir the chit, are you? :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "momo" Posted by fly on 16:54:43 6/03/2001 momo - Nope, no chit stirring. Just making an observation concerning a topic that was in play over there. Anything wrong with that? Surely you aren't trying to stir the chit here? ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Chris" Posted by v_p on 21:20:58 6/03/2001 I re-read my post and can't find where I addressed you or mentioned your name. There were 4 voices rising above the rest as far as MW... and one was a moderator for the forum. Let me spell it out, I don't believe I said THREADS, I said POSTS, which moderators are able to delete. Right? Why would you take my post personally??? I wasn't even referring to you.... If I were referring to you, I have balls enough to say so. Thanks [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "V_P" Posted by Chris on 05:59:47 6/04/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 05:59:47, 6/04/2001 So, I guess you're accusing Holly of deleting posts that she shouldn't have? If that's the case, I'm 99.9% certain you're wrong. I have never seen or been alerted to a post that Holly deleted that would fall under the reasons you cite. As for individual posters editing their posts, posters do that all the time. However, I doubt that the posters you are talking about did so because it's my understanding that they believe in what they said. I could be wrong, Lord knows I've been wrong before but that's my understanding. Just for the record, V_P the only co-moderator who deleted posts in that manner (because he didn't like the content directed at him) is the whole reason I suspended the "Moderator Program" in the first place. Oh, and why did I think you were talking about me? Mainly because from day one of being a member here you've had an attitude. I've said it before and I'll say it again, one of my biggest pet peeves is people whose primary "contribution" to the forum is negativity. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Really?" Posted by v_p on 07:43:59 6/04/2001 And you think it is a positive act, (or even tactful), to tell me what you have a problem with my attitude here instead of in an email? Which reminds me, you say we should email if we want one of the threads, yet you have never answered a single one of my emails. I do get emails, however, from other members who say the same thing. I don't think I bring only negative energy to this forum, no one will back me up though, because you are the owner of the forum and they're afraid of being banned for ticking you off or disagreeing with you. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen anyone, except those whom you have been banned, tell you what they really think. I respect and like a lot of posters here and have a great on-line relationship with them. I don't have to respect you or like you to post here... I just have to follow the house rules, right?? If I've broken any, please let me know... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "v_p" Posted by fly on 08:17:31 6/04/2001 v_p - You have brought more than negative energy to JW. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "vp" Posted by Twitch on 08:49:21 6/04/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:49:21, 6/04/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:46:07, 6/04/2001 You have brought more than negative energy to JW. Chris I'm still kissing up, ok? You two are so different, but you are both very brave and passionate. Can we take a deep breath and start over? I forgot to say that we can disagree with Chris without being banned. People are different and need to be approached differently, here and in the real world. We all come from different places in life. We live what we know and we must respect the fact that, while maybe similar, the lives we know are always different. We react differently not, always incorrectly, from our own points of view. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "v_p" Posted by Tricia on 08:55:14 6/04/2001 You show passion in some of your disagreements with other posters. That is NOT negativity. You back up many of the things you say with facts. Chris I have to disagree with you. I for one enjoy v_p and her posts and have never found her to be negative. V_p has very STRONG opinions which some posters disagree with but that's all. Thanks Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "and ME?" Posted by 1000Sparks on 09:10:08 6/04/2001 I like V_P's posts alot, really, really a lot cause she's a sa... like that in the person. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "What I think" Posted by Watching you on 09:55:08 6/04/2001 I think there has been too much shit being stirred up on too many forums - everyone badmouthing everyone else. It sucks. Everyone is defensive, it serves no purpose, it makes us all crazy. I agree with Twitch. Let us all step back and take a deep breath. I myself backed away yesterday to think this stuff through, it's just nuts. It's not worth it. Chris, you know I'm going to tell you the truth, for whatever it's worth to you. I too believe v-p has brought a lot to this forum. She is articulate, she is sassy, she is witty. Whatever her views on things, she's not afraid to say them. I think Chris has had a hard time of it recently with all the criticism coming her way, but none of us knows the reasoning behind her decisions. I'm not here to second guess any of Chris's decisions. I don't have an inside track to her brain, I don't know why she made the decisions she did. Help me, Jesus, we need posters like v_p to help counteract the Nedthans of this world. That's all I have to say. I fight my own battles. That's all I know for sure. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Chris," Posted by LurkerXIV on 10:37:10 6/04/2001 Thanks once again for your great patience and forbearance. I know if this were my forum, I would have shut it down about 2 years ago because of all the negative personalities, the ingrates, the spammers, and the expense. But we know you keep it alive for JonBenet, and if it weren't for JusticeWatch, the forces of evil in this case would prevail. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "I enjoy v_p" Posted by ayelean on 10:53:10 6/04/2001 I don't remember if she has bit me or not. If she bites my I'll bite her back, but I think she contributes a lot to the forum. Now I will really 'scrutinize' her posts. LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Lurker" Posted by momo on 11:13:19 6/04/2001 Ever the voice of reason. Thanks for saying what I feel. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Changed my mind" Posted by 1000Sparks on 11:11:35 6/04/2001 I think LurkerIXLDS and Ayelean along with Bets and the rest who are dieting should be banned. They are trouble makers. There are more. Guess that would just leave me and 2 others. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "AND.........." Posted by 1000Sparks on 11:54:08 6/04/2001 If this chit continues I will have to ban Chris too.... she asked for it you know [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Sparky" Posted by momo on 11:53:19 6/04/2001 I've lost 15 pounds. Am I going to get banned for that? :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "HAHA, momo..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 13:24:39 6/04/2001 I gained 15 pounds going to all those weddings! Should I be banned for that? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "Lurker" Posted by momo on 14:49:52 6/04/2001 I didn't mean for you to be the one to get the weight that I lost. Sorry. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "momo," Posted by LurkerXIV on 14:59:26 6/04/2001 I know you Priority-Mailed it to me from your Post Office, disguised as hors d'oeuvres and wedding cake! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "hahahahahah" Posted by Watching you on 12:12:49 6/04/2001 I tole you not to piss Sparky off. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "I'm sure" Posted by Florida on 13:09:33 6/04/2001 that some days Chris wishes she was banned! I too think V_P has contributed a lot to this forum as have so many others. I'd hate to see anyone banned anymore and would love to see some who were banned let back in under a general amnesty. All this infighting is silly and getting us nowhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "I think that " Posted by DuBois on 13:24:58 6/04/2001 We should all just take a deep breath and shake hands. We should just consider the sources we get our info from and seek justice for JB. PS.... I hope that V_P hangs with us. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Florida" Posted by Chris on 13:18:34 6/04/2001 Make that most days these days! I don't know what doing some sort of amnesty thing would solve at this point. As far as I can tell, those who want to be here are, those that don't aren't. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Geez, Sparky....." Posted by Bets on 13:36:30 6/04/2001 thanks a heap! I was so worried that you'd ban me for the mere sin of being fabulously svelte (and did I mention drop-dead gorgeous?)that I went to a social event last night and ate two brownies AND a big ole' slice of homemade peach pie with a giant dollop of ice-cream. The things we do, just to be accepted. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "Just a thought" Posted by momo on 14:57:57 6/04/2001 Stay away from the JW graveyard. There are some bitter evil spirits hovering 'round. Anyone who questions their authority on anything is going to be the whippin' boy. And when they don't have anyone to fight with, they'll be beating up on their own. Just you wait and see. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "JW's Graveyard...ROFL!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:01:44 6/04/2001 Girl, you have a way with words. You take right after your surrogate mom! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "Lurker" Posted by momo on 16:02:21 6/04/2001 You liked that, huh? God knows we could all use some humor right about now! :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Sparky" Posted by JR on 15:53:16 6/04/2001 Chris is probably on here knees begging to be banned. It's time for everyone to take a step back, take a deep breath and ask why we are here IMHO. I do hope V_P hangs in though. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Thanks" Posted by v_p on 19:08:00 6/04/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:08:00, 6/04/2001 for such great support... fly, sparks, Wy, Florida, aylean, dubois, twitch, tricia... it means a lot to me that you'd speak up and I respect you even more. I just got home from "real life," so I didn't see the responses until now. I fully expected to be banned by the time I got home. I dropped my daughter off at camp yesterday ... she'll be gone for a month and it's breaking my heart, I baby her too much. My job is 9 hours a day and keeps me extremely busy. I have a mother going through either the 1st stages of Alzheimers or some sort of dementia. I am doing what I can in my spare time to help ST. My point? This, JW, CS, and a couple others, are where I go to rest and play and mingle and debate with my cyber friends. A little girl was murdered and I don't want the killer(s) to go free... I think, for the most part, that's why we're all here. To take this all too seriously, (my words with Chris), would not be healthy, so I'll try not to. I just can't stomach sucking up and not saying what I feel when I think there's injustice which is the very reason I, and many others, speak up and do what we can to see the Ramseys have to answer for their silence and lack of cooperation. I respect your forum and, as far as I know, have treated it with respect. I respect your right to tell me to kiss your butt too... but please don't think I'll say okie dokie and run whining with my tail between my legs... There are people here, and people who used to be here, whom I like and hope I will celebrate final justice for JonBenet with one day... Then there are people whom I am just crazy about and I hope I will always know and remain friends, cyber or otherwise, with... WY, Tricia, Sparks, Twitch, Florida, Real Stormy, Scully, JR... Chris, a lot of work goes into running this forum, I'll hand you that... I wouldn't want, nor would I have the time to do it. If none of this made sense, I apologize, I'm missing my daughter and wishing I had her here to give me my afternoon hug ... real life is where it's at... Thanks again for the great words of support... fly... thanks for being first... V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "V_P" Posted by momo on 19:39:01 6/04/2001 You're so right. Real life is definitely where it's at. Someone made a comment recently about where I was and why I didn't respond immediately to a post. I have a life and I also have a wonderful little boy who I love to pour my love and attention on. I don't have time to sit at a computer all day waiting to respond or to be responded to. I hope we can all get back to the real reason we're here-so that JonBenet can get the justice SHE deserves. It is really only about her. It has never been about us or our egos. There are posters who only want to fight and never talk about case. This isn't the place for it. Never has been. I thought your post was from the heart. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "V_P & Momo" Posted by Chris on 19:54:30 6/04/2001 I guess we were all on the same page today. v_p I'm sorry, my comments were out of line. Peace. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "Chris" Posted by DuBois on 20:55:31 6/04/2001 That was very nice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "Chris" Posted by JR on 21:52:46 6/04/2001 Yes...it was nice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "v_p" Posted by Gemini on 22:40:07 6/04/2001 Yeah, she's a SA, no doubt! She's also feisty and funny and articulate. She can take a poke and poke right back without being offensive. JW (including this JW member) would miss you, gal. Chris, once again, you come through with fairness and integrity ... nice indeed. momo, I agree with you ... RT priorities have to take first place for a healthy balance. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "Ohhhhhh" Posted by momo on 04:52:55 6/05/2001 I just love you guys! (((((Group Hug))))) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "Thank you " Posted by v_p on 05:38:01 6/05/2001 Chris... and peace back at you. Gem, ;) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "Am I too late?" Posted by St. Paddy on 06:14:32 6/05/2001 Now let's all go out for a drink. Sleinte! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "I'm late too...." Posted by Scully on 10:11:56 6/05/2001 I'm guilty of bringing negativity to the forum on occasion and would like to extend my apologies to anyone here that I may have offended. Many of you have demonstrated remarkable patience and tolerance for the opinions of others especially during the 2 yrs. of MW/FW discussions. Yes, it has been 2 years because I was in the process of relocating at the time and a thread appeared casting suspicion on FW for joining his daughter and JBR in jewlry making on Christmas night. Anyone who has survived these two years of endless suspicion, unproven allegations and the lack of supporting evidence to back up certain claims, should be rewarded with a forum medal of honor for tolerance. (either that or we are gluttons for punishment...:) It must be a frustrating experience for a forum moderator to feel pressured into finding magic solutions to problems and complaints within an internet community when RL problems are also demanding their time and attention. Forums are a welcome distraction for me after long, stressful weekends at work. I also wanted to extend my support here to v_p who not only makes me laugh but is sharp, witty, intelligent and a nut just like the rest of us. k? To fly: I agree with your post #18 which I wish you would cut and paste onto FT's thread on the JBR forum. You probably won't, but you explained my feelings about the NK issue much better than I ever could have....... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "Ditto, ditto, and more dittoes..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 10:20:44 6/05/2001 ...to you, Scully. Now would you quit making nice and go back to being the irascible curmudgeon we have all come to know and love? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "OK, Lurker," Posted by Scully on 10:43:50 6/05/2001 You flippin' idiot. I've noticed you posting here and there about "changing", and "turning over a new leaf"...LOLOLOL...and you never do...(and you really shouldn't) Now, on another note, I just noticed your advice on the daily thread about children who come back home and say, "mom, you were right". How do you cut the apron strings without feeling guilty and keep yourself from imagining them out there cold and hungry? I really need to hear what you have to say and I'm pretty sure you have at least 4-5 children from what I've gathered by reading. HELP! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 84. "Scully...that's more like it!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 17:28:57 6/05/2001 About the kids...you can cut the apronstrings, but never the heartstrings. I asked a wise old Irishwoman once how she kept from worrying about her grown children. She said every morning she would stick her hand in the holy water font, open the door, sprinkle it outside, and say "Lord, I'm busy today. They were yours before they were mine. You know where they are and what they're doing. Please keep an eye on them for me!" Then at night, before bed, she's do the same, blessing herself, and then say, "Lord, I'm handing you all my worries about my children tonight. You'll be up all night anyway!" Hey, it works for me! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 83. "Scully" Posted by fly on 12:00:58 6/05/2001 Scully - You're correct, but I'm not sure why you'd assume I wouldn't repost my #18 above at JW. I hope you just anticipated the reasons I'll give: I'd prefer to abide by the decision to keep FW/NK stuff out of JW proper. Anybody who can read JW can read here and the other forums, so the info is there to be had and discussed. Perhaps a post directing people to the other locations if they are interested in more discussion would be more appropriate. Also, the "liar" issue was in context here. It wouldn't be on FT's thread. It is also one of those issues that usually ends with no positive results, just discord, and I don't think I want to be the one to strike the match that gets that fire going again - especially given the views I expressed in #18. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 85. "Yep, Lurker" Posted by Watching you on 17:59:41 6/05/2001 that what I do, too. He's kept them safe all these years, I pray the same prayers that old Irishwoman prayed, same God, different religion. Doesn't matter. He only loans our kids to us, you know, we're supposed to raise them up right and let them go. Mine never went far, thank you God. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 86. "waaaaaaaaaa" Posted by v_p on 18:12:34 6/05/2001 I don't know if I can do this, lol. I'm going to print out your post Lurker and tape it to my refrigerator. I miss my kid so much. I go into her room and I can smell her, (mixture of coffee bean candle and wet tennis shoes). I keep thinking there's something I need to be doing... but it would be cooking dinner... I tend not to eat much when she's not here, junk food mostly, haha. I called the camp this morning to inquire about a very 'green' swimming hole I saw when I dropped her off. She swims about as well as I do, as long as I know I can touch the bottom or make it to the side, I'm cool. One of the camp directors assured me there are lifeguards there at all times... thank you Jesus. I don't know how a parent ever lets go... of course I remember being 9 months pregnant wondering how that huge thing was gonna make it out of my body; I guess it's always something. I talk to women and men who can't wait for their last kid to leave ... it just zooms over my head, I don't get it. I keep thinking that state of mind will eventually kick in... waiting... This is so sad and macarbe, maybe, but I keep remembering my Supervisor from about 8 years ago... he had a 16 year old daughter. One day he was buying a cup of coffee at the 7-11 when a weird feeling came over him.. he said he sort of walked around for a minute or two, disoriented and shaken. He paid for his coffee and when he got home his wife told him his daughter had been in a car wreck and had died ... it was precisely the time he was having the weird experience in the 7-11. Now I scrutinize every odd feeling I have. I know it's just that this is the 1st time she's gone away without my knowing who she's with and what she's doing. I will let go and let God ... at least I will give it my best shot :o) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 89. "Another Country" Posted by Lacey on 19:09:11 6/05/2001 heard from. Sorry, I'm not as inclined as some of the rest of you to give those MW fanatics the benefit of the doubt. They've been confronted with contradictions for months and always managed to excuse them away or ignore them. They've practically broken their arms patting themselves on the back for their supposedly superior sleuthing, whilst ignoring the obvious: MW's claims consistently failed to pan out. They started thread after thread of spittle spam and slander. They parlayed innocent games on the floor into incestuous sex-play and even dragged Daphne White's name in the mud. Mame admonished us for criticizing her so-called "coverage" of the MW story while simultaneously sleeping with the enemy. Good Lord. Who do they think they are kidding?! "MW took them for a ride?" LOL, I don't think she was the one who was driving. And Judge Mental, the Meanest of them All, is a disgrace to her profession. Period. You think this will bring them to repentance? Nah. They'll be back, a-spinning as fast and furious as ever, just wait and see, they're holed up somewhere planning damage control. Don't like the message? Discredit the messenger, that's their game. UNFKNBLVBL Lace [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 88. "Wow, V_P" Posted by momo on 19:02:09 6/05/2001 You really made me think about something. The day my best friend died (before I knew he did) I was a complete basketcase. I cried all day and felt like my whole world was in chaos. When I found out the next day, I remembered how I felt the day before. We were born on the same exact day, so I'd have to say that we were like twins separated at birth. It was the strangest day of my life. I don't know what I would do if I was away from my child for a week. I know that day will come soon enough. Since he's only 6, I know that I have a few more years of him being by my side. Even when he's gone for a couple of days,I am lost. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 87. "Kids are on loan V-P" Posted by Florida on 19:02:04 6/05/2001 Our job is to love them and teach them to be independent of us and responsible for what they do - to themselves and to others. You can hardly wait for them to talk and then they never shut up. You can hardly wait for the to walk and then you can't find them. You do your best, with love and common sense and they will come out okay. They have to leave the nest but if you've given them love, made them independent and responsible for their own actions they will come back to it and visit often to say thank you. Mine have thanked me many times - "we thought you were too strict but now I can see why you were!" It'll bring tears to your eyes and you will realize everything you went through was worth it. One of these days you will have grandchildren and you can sit and snicker at all the things they are putting their parents through. Then it is really worth it! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 90. "Well, well, well" Posted by FT on 21:16:59 6/05/2001 This is certainly a multi-topic thread. :-) Sympathy and support to v_p, one of my favorite posters at JW. Maybe you can use the period of your daughter's absence to pursue some of your personal interests (if you can remember what they are, LOL ... with three kids, I often struggle with this recollection). Please remember that many of us are here to offer you a cyber-shoulder when you're having a tough time. I see this thread was originally used to discuss the FBI/MW thing. Mea culpa and my bad for starting a thread on that topic on the main JBR forum. I felt it was the right thing to do, considering the main forum was where all the unfounded accusations were originally posted, but the thread withered, so I guess everyone has moved on. Whatever. Seems a pity that so much vicious vitriol should go unchallenged. But whatever. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 91. "Lacey" Posted by Watching you on 04:31:20 6/06/2001 No benefit of the doubt given here. I agree with you 100% on mame and her cohorts. It was an all-out attack on FW, and I will never back down on that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 92. "Mayperhaps" Posted by v_p on 06:30:47 6/06/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 06:30:47, 6/06/2001 FW sent threatening letters to the FBI and they dropped the investigation like a bad habit... I do have a few questions though. Who assisted NK with her present protective living arrangements? "They" could never be bothered to answer the tough questions or provide any sort of proof when the subject was taking up thread after thread on the forums, what would make us think "they" would bother with answers or explanations now? FT, thanks ... I know she'll be ok, I'm just a big baby. Fla, grandkids? I wish. She's not the least bit interested in ever getting married, she plans on going to Africa after she graduates college to be a missionary... there are times when I wish she did have a tongue ring and purple hair... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 94. "Lacey" Posted by fly on 08:13:12 6/06/2001 Lacey - My comment was directed to the issue of whether mame et al knowingly lied about an FBI investigation. It was not meant to excuse all aspects of their behavior. I agree that they ignored information that cast doubt on NK's credibility, believed absolutely the worst possible interpretation of every move FW has made, and turned over every stone in an attempt to show him to be a sex abuser. I don't see blatant lies in the mix, but malevolence was present in some of their actions along the way. NK's lament struck some sort of chord in them, and they loved singing along so much they didn't notice NK probably was lipsyncing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 93. "v_p" Posted by Watching you on 07:51:46 6/06/2001 that is precisely the point. They wouldn't. This is now FW's fight. Your baby will be okay. Wrenching experience, I know. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 95. "Fly" Posted by Watching you on 08:46:20 6/06/2001 if it weren't for the fact that we saw mame cuddling up to Alex Hunter and Lou Smit, I might be inclined to agree with you. There may be one or two in that pie who could come under the maybe category, but the other two? Blatant, IMO. They had an agenda. That agenda was based upon lies and speculation. Mame is no dummy. She knew exactly what she was doing. Holly is no dummy. Mary99 is an instigator through and through. Darby may be the wild card here, and let's not leave morgan out. She was right in there, too. There should be consequences for behavior like this, Fly. All we need do is look around us to see the destruction and the fallout. This was a devastating blow to all the forums, not just JW. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 96. "This has also been" Posted by Florida on 10:31:24 6/06/2001 a devastating blow to the White family. If the aformentioned people hadn't continually promoted NK's charges NK probably wouldn't even be remembered today. Other than for a couple of diehards on jamesons this was dropped as a subject everywhere else the day the report from the BPD came out. But the people on this forum just would not stop. With absolutely no evidence they went on and on and it eventually got so bad the forums were split and friendships and trust were destroyed. It got to this extreme on the word of one sick woman who was promoted by a would be journalist who claimed she saw "evidence" proving that what NK said was true. The rest of them behaved like a herd of deranged sheep following a deceptive wolf. The White's rights be damned - we don't need evidence - full speed ahead! Apparently no one in law enforcement believed what NK showed them was proof of anything sinister - except Alex who backed off immediately. I'm sure this episode is one of the things Hunter is sorriest about in his mishandling of the entire Ramsey case (not sorry for what its done to the Whites, mind you, but for himself and his tattered reputation). I had information months ago that people who would have been the first to be contacted by the FBI if there was an investigation into generational sexual abuse where a child might have been in harms way had never been contacted. I checked on this a couple of weeks ago and to my sources knowledge they still hadn't been talked to. This led me to believe that there was no FBI investigation. I threw out a couple of silly questions on a couple of forums - like "who do you think the FBI would question if they were investigating the NK charges" but I could never report what I learned because I had no EVIDENCE to prove what I'd been told. I still have no EVIDENCE to prove it but the FBI letter proves what I was told is true. This has been the saddest, sickest episode on internet forums. I think the leaders of this unwarranted attack on Fleet White and his family should step up and apologize. I will never understand how they think what they did was justified or morally right. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 98. "Wow!" Posted by Gemini on 11:17:07 6/06/2001 This has been some kinda twisty, turny thread. Personally, I guess I'm not a "punisher" type. A simple "we were wrong" post here would do it for me. OTOH, it seems a personal apology to the Whites might be in order and appropriate. v_p, trust me, they change. When l'ilG was your daughter's age, her main goal was to be in the peace corps. Actually, that aim lasted quite a while ... until the social/boy phase kicked in. Now, she has great respect for her former aspirations, but her priorities have changed drastically. And, about camp ... you'll miss her, she'll miss you, but the camp-experience will last, life long. By sending her, you're doing something wonderful for her development - especially if it's a really good camp. Mine was a camper from the time she was ten, then moved on to jr. counselor for 2 years. This year, she would have been sr. counselor, but opted for a trip to Europe - hopefully a wise move (you think YOU'RE nervous!). So, even tho you miss her, feel good about her 'cause camp can be a very important rite of passage. If it's Friday, I'm dead meat. Still have half a busy week staring at me without blinking. Outta here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 97. "WY, Florida" Posted by fly on 11:09:35 6/06/2001 Florida - Deranged sheep! LOL and rather apt. I'll suggest that the reason they thought they were justified is fairly similar to the reason some of the most vehement anti-Rams will think they were justified if the day comes when we are all surprised and a non-Ramsey is shown to be the "real" killer. WY - Darby does not belong in that group, especially if you want to attribute some agenda or evil intent to them. I would bet big money that darby had absolutely no agenda, and that what she posted was honestly what she felt about the NK story. I know some will disagree, but I think darby has generally operated on a completely different level than most of the rest. She has an uncanny ability to swing at the ball and hit the hornets' nest instead. I'm not sure exactly what you are alleging was going on with mame and Hunter, etc. I personally don't believe that NK was brought forth by Hunter, or mame, or Smit, although Hunter and mame certainly did their parts in getting her a lot of attention after she surfaced. The way FW was handled and the disputes it created were terrible. There is plenty of blame to go around for the flamefests and forum disruption, however. I've never been a believer in conspiracies or intentional hidden agendas. I do believe that our general attitudes about the world (e.g., ritual abusers are under every bed) or specific situations (e.g., a Ramsey killed JBR) can dramatically influence how we interpret incoming information and what we then do with it. I do believe that the reinforcement gotten from others' attention, coinciding beliefs, and a feeling that one is succeeding where others have failed, can lead to a dangerous feeding frenzy and ego-involvement. And again, that goes for both sides. I agree that at some point a consious intent to "get" FW developed, but I still see that intent as originating from being convinced by the evidence (no matter how lousy we see the evidence to be) that he is the bad guy. Your post at CS suggests to me that you have detected a similar situation outside the NK storm, so I think you understand the principles I'm speaking about. Maybe I ought to be dressed in checked gingham, wearing a straw boater, and answering to the name Pollyanna, but that image is just too horrifying to consider seriously. Putting my soapbox away now in order to get some work done before the day's over.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 99. "Fly" Posted by Gemini on 11:25:04 6/06/2001 You can drag your soap-box over here any ol' time. Good post. I've never seen this as a sinister, evil plot ... just people who got all carried away with themselves and their self-righteousness ... much the way avid Ramsey bashers have done since the advent of these forums. To me, anyone who advocates forming a mob and beating them silly (sillier?) might want to consider rubbing that white horse down (combing and currying) instead of whipping him/her into a more heated lather. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 100. "Florida, Fly" Posted by Watching you on 12:45:09 6/06/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:45:09, 6/06/2001 Florida, the only thing I can find to disagree with in your excellent post is this statement: "I'm sure this episode is one of the things Hunter is sorriest about in his mishandling of the entire Ramsey case (not sorry for what its done to the Whites, mind you, but for himself and his tattered reputation)." I don't think Hunter is sorry for one damn thing -he knew he was out of there, could go into hiding his his hot tub, smirking and gloating that he "got" Fleet White. He hated FW because Fleet had the nerve to criticize him. It was pay back time. His reputation was shit, anyways. He did not then and does not now regret one damn thing he did to FW. Fly: I agree about Darby. Darby is the only one who showed any restraint whatsoever. Remember the picture mame put on the forum of her with Hunter and Wise? Mame changed after that picture. It is too much of a coincidence to me that Hunter made his infamous statement, which he backpedalled from, of course, but the damage was done as he knew it would be, and mame got right into the thick of it. Mame's posts changed, her attitude changed, and then it was mame with smit and mame's touting smit's theory on the forum. Stun gun, mystery woman... mame is either very easily led or she is a conniver. I found her caustic way of responding to anyone who challenged her to be way too defensive for anyone without an agenda. I'm not willing to give her a pass on this, Fly. If she and her henchmen (there's that word) are not now willing to come forth and say to everyone they were wrong, to apologize not only to those on the forums they attacked but also to Fleet White and his family, if he would even accept it at this point, then I have no other choice but to think they were never sincere about their total belief in this woman to begin with. They were out for no good. They started it, Fly. They need to explain to all the booted out posters and all those who are still here why they did what they did. Maybe I'll listen. But, between you and me and the fencepost, Fly, they are here. Just wearing different hats. What does that tell you? There is the slightest possibility you are right about everything starting out innocently. But at some point, that changed. One has to wonder why and what caused the obsession. Who influenced them besides Krebs? I've got a feeling here, Fly. There is more going on here than just a few people being taken in. I'm not into conspiracies, either, except when some gullible person has influence over a very few others and uses that to her own end. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 101. "Darby was just as bad..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 14:09:06 6/06/2001 ...as the rest. It was she and holly who collaborated on the thread "Gwen Boykin Killed JonBenet". Neither one ever apologized for this blatant libel. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 102. "WY " Posted by fly on 14:31:29 6/06/2001 WY - What it tells me is that they probably are getting a kick at the thought that they are depriving everybody of what they'd like: both an explanation or apology, and a live target, rather than one in absentia. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 103. "Lurker, Fly" Posted by Watching you on 14:39:38 6/06/2001 Lurker, I forgot about that one. There were so many of them. Exactly, Fly. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 104. "WY and L-XIV" Posted by Gemini on 15:44:05 6/06/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:44:05, 6/06/2001 WY, I don't know how this lines up with the interview with Hunter and Wise, but the tone of things changed with the involvement of M-99. L-XIV, if I remember correctly, Darby visited Holly and they agreed to bring the Gwen Boykin speculation to the forum. However, I suspect if Darby had been the one actively introducing the subject, it would have has a much lower key presentation than the all-caps title of a separate thread. If you read Darby's posts closely, they usually make good sense on the conservative side. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 105. "mameisms" Posted by v_p on 18:15:20 6/06/2001 mame Member posted 12-29-1999 10:06 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lou smit has tubed any hope of justice in the ramsey case! why aren't obstruction of justice charges being filed against smit? who needs defense attorneys when you've got PATSY & SMIT and hunter for DA? mame Member posted 07-11-99 11:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- unlaw: what a great post! next time you have a martini, be sure and stop by for some post party chat. i too, hope that the grand jury does the right thing. personally, i believe the ramsey's are responsible for this child's murder. mame >>>Member posted 09-24-99 06:58 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bob: you may be absolutely right. it's really out of character for me to state as fact ANY information in this case. mostly because, no matter how good you think your source is...9 times out of 10 its wrong. i got so irritated with the camera's description of the forum people that i broke my own rules. truth is...they may be on a desert island sipping pina colada's right now. lol I don't remember where I found these, but I've kept them because I think each one is fascinating, given the posts I've seen from mame in the past 1 1/2 years. My opinion is that some people are easily star-struck and when you find out the heroes you've been touting for so long are bogus, it's hard to save face ... IMO ~*~*~*~* Gem, I know what you mean, but trust me, she won't change. She's been saying this since she was 8. Her room is full of African masks, maps, African children, etc. She is totally focused. I honest-to-God don't know where she got it... but I know she won't change her mind. I don't discourage her as much as I hate, HATE, the thought of her going so far away ... I kept thinking it was a phase... but it's lasted 8 years, lol. Maybe I can influence her with my bad habits and she'll change her mind??!! How can you stand your's being in Europe? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 106. "Isn't it time to start another thread?" Posted by ayelean on 19:15:26 6/06/2001 OK....., OK......, I'll do it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 107. "v_p and Gem" Posted by Scully on 20:58:11 6/06/2001 It's funny you both brought up the European trips your children are planning to take. When my second son graduated from high school last year, he went on a school-sponsered trip to Europe which was chaperoned by one of the teachers. The total cost of the trip was $2000 which included air fare, hotels, tour buses, and two meals a day. (we both worked hard saving up for the trip and the spending money he needed for meals and souveniers). They visited Amersterdam, Germany, Switzerland, France and England over the two week period, but he came down with a sore throat and had to go to an emergency room in England for antibiotics two days before they flew home. To this day, he still thanks me for the incredible experience he had while he was on his two week journey to countries he had only studied about in World History class. He was mesmerized by the beauty of Holland and the friendliness of the many people he met during the brief time the group spent there. It was clearly his favorite country. I didn't think I could afford the trip at first, but he worked hard in school and won a full scholarship to college. I considered the trip a reward for his ability to stay focused during his childhood and adolescent years in school while never losing sight of the future. He saved me a small fortune considering the cost of college tuition and school related expenses these days. My oldest son is another story...LOL...and hence, the reason why I shall take Lurker XIV's wise advice to heart about prayer and the use of holy water every day. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE