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WHERE DOES THIS INFO COME FROM--2--, ayelean, 19:17:17, 6/06/2001 What info?, Lacey, 20:00:46, 6/06/2001, (#1) LOL Lacey, great timing : ), Gemini, 20:20:26, 6/06/2001, (#2) My Two Sense ;), Lacey, 20:45:36, 6/06/2001, (#3) Well, I would say, Gemini, 21:02:20, 6/06/2001, (#4) United we stand ..., FT, 21:29:18, 6/06/2001, (#5) FT, Scully, 21:39:35, 6/06/2001, (#6) Well, Scully, FT, 21:52:36, 6/06/2001, (#7) yeah, Scully, 22:17:10, 6/06/2001, (#8) Honest to Gawd, Watching you, 05:08:04, 6/07/2001, (#9) I still say let it be., Twitch, 06:20:21, 6/07/2001, (#11) ummm, Wy,, v_p, 06:09:14, 6/07/2001, (#10) Well, momo, 06:39:11, 6/07/2001, (#13) v_p, Watching you, 06:32:30, 6/07/2001, (#12) Well guys, I think , Florida, 07:09:05, 6/07/2001, (#15) Florida, momo, 07:45:35, 6/07/2001, (#17) Momo, the reason, Florida, 08:33:24, 6/07/2001, (#19) momo, Watching you, 06:55:53, 6/07/2001, (#14) So the BPD, Twitch, 07:14:53, 6/07/2001, (#16) Florida, Jellyjaws, 08:33:11, 6/07/2001, (#18) You're welcome JJ,, Florida, 08:40:12, 6/07/2001, (#20) You said it, mame, Watching you, 08:55:11, 6/07/2001, (#21) Wy, Twitch, 09:05:45, 6/07/2001, (#22) Twitcher, Watching you, 09:12:44, 6/07/2001, (#25) Twitch, , Florida, 09:12:24, 6/07/2001, (#24) Also, Twitch, 09:11:43, 6/07/2001, (#23) Speaking of Sadie, Florida, 09:17:51, 6/07/2001, (#26) Yes you have taken the brundt Wy, Twitch, 09:27:56, 6/07/2001, (#28) Well,, Watching you, 09:22:48, 6/07/2001, (#27) Well..., Phantom, 09:30:59, 6/07/2001, (#29) Phantom, Watching you, 09:33:31, 6/07/2001, (#30) I have to step in..., LurkerXIV, 09:51:38, 6/07/2001, (#32) Lurker, Florida, 10:28:57, 6/07/2001, (#38) Wy, Twitch, 09:43:24, 6/07/2001, (#31) Hey momo, Twitch, 09:58:43, 6/07/2001, (#33) Florida, Twitch, 10:08:02, 6/07/2001, (#34) Okay, Watching you, 10:19:43, 6/07/2001, (#36) So Twitch,, 1000Sparks, 10:18:07, 6/07/2001, (#35) Ah hell, Watching you, 10:21:09, 6/07/2001, (#37) Now, Sparky, momo, 10:42:07, 6/07/2001, (#40) Thanks WY.., Phantom, 10:35:17, 6/07/2001, (#39) Momo, Watching you, 10:51:28, 6/07/2001, (#42) I was thinking, Twitch, 10:47:11, 6/07/2001, (#41) NO!, LurkerXIV, 10:52:44, 6/07/2001, (#43) Damn Lurker, Twitch, 10:55:19, 6/07/2001, (#44) Twitch, momo, 11:04:59, 6/07/2001, (#45) Hahahahha, Twitch, 11:08:43, 6/07/2001, (#46) probably a stupid question, but..., Maggie, 20:29:42, 6/07/2001, (#47) candy is a lot of things, v_p, 21:14:41, 6/07/2001, (#48) Maggie, fly, 21:28:15, 6/07/2001, (#49) Easy to scan, Ev, 08:35:39, 6/08/2001, (#57) Good heavens, Watching you, 04:02:54, 6/08/2001, (#50) I would like to, Watching you, 06:13:00, 6/08/2001, (#51) You know, Twitch, 06:26:05, 6/08/2001, (#53) Blast from the Past, Lacey, 06:20:39, 6/08/2001, (#52) Florida, Watching you, 07:25:47, 6/08/2001, (#54) Watching You., Florida, 08:31:25, 6/08/2001, (#55) Gawd, I hope so, Watching you, 08:34:00, 6/08/2001, (#56) Ev, Watching you, 08:41:57, 6/08/2001, (#58) Ev, momo, 11:48:44, 6/08/2001, (#59) I think I'll ask her,, Watching you, 11:50:22, 6/08/2001, (#60) momo, fly, 12:07:55, 6/08/2001, (#61) Watching you....., rose, 12:46:12, 6/08/2001, (#62) Rose, Watching you, 12:53:08, 6/08/2001, (#63) Hmmmmmm, Ev, 15:59:05, 6/08/2001, (#66) WY, Maggie, 15:43:42, 6/08/2001, (#64) Miaggie, Watching you, 15:57:24, 6/08/2001, (#65) The weirdest thing,, Gemini, 16:25:03, 6/08/2001, (#70) Gemini, Watching you, 16:54:51, 6/08/2001, (#72) Yep,, Phantom, 16:24:02, 6/08/2001, (#69) Phantom, Watching you, 16:41:45, 6/08/2001, (#71) Yep again,, Phantom, 17:14:29, 6/08/2001, (#73) Do you folow, Watching you, 17:38:22, 6/08/2001, (#74) Follow the FW story?, Phantom, 18:05:29, 6/08/2001, (#78) Watching You, Bets, 16:06:05, 6/08/2001, (#67) Thanks, Bets, Watching you, 16:11:44, 6/08/2001, (#68) Ya' know Gemini,, Florida, 17:49:20, 6/08/2001, (#76) GEM, WY, Maggie, 17:39:53, 6/08/2001, (#75) My 75 Cents, v_p, 18:20:20, 6/08/2001, (#79) Me, I think.., Phantom, 18:33:24, 6/08/2001, (#81) Maggie, Watching you, 18:02:48, 6/08/2001, (#77) WY I respect you for that, Maggie, 19:58:03, 6/08/2001, (#87) I think, v_p, Watching you, 18:24:27, 6/08/2001, (#80) k Wy, v_p, 18:43:25, 6/08/2001, (#82) V-P, Scully, 19:27:29, 6/08/2001, (#84) WY, fly, 19:21:08, 6/08/2001, (#83) Hey fly, Twitch, 19:42:50, 6/08/2001, (#85) Twitch, fly, 19:56:42, 6/08/2001, (#86) My clue that something was rotten in Denmark, ayelean, 21:00:22, 6/08/2001, (#88) aaylean, v_p, 21:17:24, 6/08/2001, (#89) WY ..., Mandarin, 23:09:39, 6/08/2001, (#90) Hello Mandarin, Twitch, 23:22:52, 6/08/2001, (#91) Twitch - , Florida, 08:32:49, 6/09/2001, (#92) ................................................................... "WHERE DOES THIS INFO COME FROM--2--" Posted by ayelean on 19:17:17 6/06/2001 . [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "What info?" Posted by Lacey on 20:00:46 6/06/2001 What was the question? : ) Gemini my friend, you are one of the most lukewarm posters I know. You are neither hot nor cold. You are sooo willing to write this off, "all water over the damned," (lol) and just, like, get on with the business of whatever. Well good for you. Would that we all were so blasé and apathetic, eh? Well I guess I could do that, after I get some of this shit offa my chest.. 'kay. Can't give ol' Darby a pass, much as I used to adore and admire her, lol. Heck, I even named my dog after her! Those days are gone fer good fer sure. Under Holly's spell, Darby cast aspersions at the innocent, the Gwen Boykins of the world, whined about full and fair investigations, and threatened to tattle on posters making disparaging comments about THIS forum at any other forum. Have I got that right? Well whatever, believe what you like but she's as guilty as the rest of them. Instead of continuing this new thread, what say we traipse (?) back to the main forum here and bump up FT's thread. Why the L not, eh? Well do what you like but please carrion Back latah- Lace [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "LOL Lacey, great timing : )" Posted by Gemini on 20:39:18 6/06/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:39:18, 6/06/2001 it's true ... I'm a forum slacker. See, there's this thing call RT that has to take priority now and then. I used to get really annoyed at reading all the fire-breathin' flames at the Ramseys when nobody knows ... no, really ... nobody here KNOWS they are guilty. Then I came to a point where I finally figured out there are people everywhere who have no ability to be objective. Therefore, it was pointless to get upset, even with the most vicious, unsubstiantiated speculation and dialogue, and ... about that same time things in RT got busy enough to keep me too occupied to jump into cyber-flames. I do not believe I'm apathetic ... just, perhaps, more moderate when it comes to "punishing" people. Somehow, I don't think that's my role in life. Is it yours? I did something kind of silly earlier ... went over to CS and read a couple of threads. Sounds like Candy and her ilk (: ) FT), are more or less challenging some of you guys to bring this forum down. Are you up for that? The horrible thing (imo) is, I was almost (almost) tempted to post there. Saw a couple of outright lies I could have jumped on. Saw MrC with no apparent memory at all of his days as a lap dog. LOL! But, ya know what? I have a couple of hours more work tonight. Had to move the potted flowers out of a torrential downpour that would have broken them all to pieces. Had to talk to younger daughter about how she's going to use her phone card while she's away and (horrors) have to clean my fridge. To me, those things take priority. Lace, you haven't contributed much to anything since the first of the year. Why jump in now, just to bang away on people. Bet they KNOW how you feel, so guess you're just doing it for yourself, eh? (edited because you never know when the grammar police might be out and about) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "My Two Sense ;)" Posted by Lacey on 20:45:36 6/06/2001 >Lace, you haven't contributed much to anything since >the first of the year. Why jump in now, just to bang away >on people. Bet they KNOW how you feel, so guess >you're just doing it for yourself, eh? Why what evah are you talking about. I have contributed, ahem, my two cents, whenever I deem it appropriate. As do you. So there. After all, not all of us can be as cultured and articulate as you. Oh, woe is us! flol Ah, Gem. In your presence WE'RE NOT WORTHY! WE'RE NOT WORTHY! Anon Lace [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Well, I would say" Posted by Gemini on 21:02:20 6/06/2001 "bite me", but I think I want to know a little more about this punishment obsession first. pssst ... Shadow gave me this impression he has an interest in nuns with fiery rulers ... now I don't know for sure ... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "United we stand ..." Posted by FT on 21:29:18 6/06/2001 I hope we don't let the MW crew divide and conquer the rest of us. They would love to see it happen. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "FT" Posted by Scully on 21:39:35 6/06/2001 I'm astonished that the Fab Four just vanished into thin air. Someone posted the possibility they might have to stand accountable for the libelous statements they made on this forum. This is the only reason I can think of that would explain their sudden disappearance. Watcha' think? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Well, Scully" Posted by FT on 21:52:36 6/06/2001 I think Holly was obviously here as Hence4th until v_p blew her cover. Holly appears to be back again as cam. I think mary99 is here as emerckx. Someone is here as purrrrrrplepassion. :-) So I don't think they've disappeared. Unfortunately. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "yeah" Posted by Scully on 23:11:45 6/06/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 23:11:45, 6/06/2001 Hence4th stuck out like a sore thumb. Less than 4 days on the forum this poster accused Lurker XIV of being a bully and the most boring poster on the forum. Hence4th = Mary99 (edited after a litle research) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. " Honest to Gawd" Posted by Watching you on 05:08:04 6/07/2001 I'll tell you, I am torn, just torn about this issue. Oh yeah, I've been having the old emotional blackmail crap put to me at CS by a control freak and just plain freak, but y'all know I'm not knuckling under to that shit. Yes, Candy, I am referring to your cultish tactics, which I have already told you about there, but since I know you'll most likely be putting this one up too, here it is. Beyond that, the whole purpose of splitting the forum to begin with was to get the FW/NK off the main forum. It almost didn't work - we almost were the ones banished to never-never land and the marvelous four, or five, were to keep the "main" forum. Didn't work out the way they had planned, though. Now it would seem to be appropriate for the discredited four, or five, to come to the main forum and issue a formal apology to all the posters at JW as well as Fleet White. I think everyone here knows that isn't going to happen, anyways, but here's the problem. Opening up this can of worms on the main forum again, after we fought so hard to get that crap out of there, only exposes Fleet White to more bad publicity that I would suspect he just wishes would go away. There is a very good possibility this forum might not survive another assault of the FW/NK type. Is that what we want? I suspect there are some who want exactly that, else why the bashing to begin with? There are sinister forces about, don't ever doubt it, people with ulterior motives, trolls out to divide and conquer, the elliques of the forum world. No one knows how very much I want to open this up on the main forum and demand the guilty parties apologize for the months and months of hell they put this forum through, for the posters who either left the forum on their own or were banished for name calling or disagreeing while the offenders did as bad or worse (baby-raper henchmen), yet stayed with impunity. I'm not afraid to say that was wrong and I don't agree with it. Mame should have had her ass kicked out of here a long time ago for the name calling (the baby-raping henchman was far from the first time), along with Mary99, one of the very worse instigators I've seen ever, and the rest. And then mame has the audacity to say she apologized to Chris. Well, sorry, that's not going to get it, she didn't call Chris a baby-raping henchman, she called Real Stormy a baby-raping henchman, and RS was the one who got banned while mame stayed. It's really no wonder they are angry about that. Put this on the main forum? I've been called a coward and more at CS because I refuse to do their bidding. You all know here I'm not scared to do anything, but I'll not be told what to do. I have doubts about opening this shit up again on main forum because what kind of a hypocrite, then, would that make me? Fight to get it off, then bring it back on? I don't know, you guys do what you want to do, but I'm not going to be the one to take it to the main forum. Any forum but that one where there is finally peace. It's up to mame and her own henchmen to do the right thing now and come in and issue an apology. You can quote me. They aren't going to do it. It's never going to happen. Because they do not believe it's over until they say it's over. Look for more crap in the future. Remember WY said that. I have spoken. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "I still say let it be." Posted by Twitch on 06:20:21 6/07/2001 Lets keep this thread going as a boost to vp's ego. These posters have lost all credibility, no matter what hat they hide under. Its a shame. They have lost that credibility with me, not because there was no investigation, they might not have known. Instead, its the way they chose to pack up and leave. Why? Why run, if you're not guilty? True, our group can come across as a lynch mob sometimes :-) but that never stopped them before. Come back ladies and lets fight for jfJBR. That's why you were here, right? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "ummm, Wy," Posted by v_p on 06:09:14 6/07/2001 Candy can't read here, (ahem), ... but the BPD does and they run back to her with everything we write ... so I'm sure she'll get your message. The fab 4 or 5 are not coming back, (at least not as themselves), to apologize ... we can just fahgetaboutit. They wouldn't give anyone the satisfaction. It's over, NK's story, as far as it concerns Fleet White, is bogus and unfounded. 96% of us already knew that anyway... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Well" Posted by momo on 06:39:11 6/07/2001 It's Candy and her cohorts that want the chit stirred, not the fab4. If there is an apology due anyone, it would be to Fleet White, not anyone here or any other forum for that matter. ROFLMAO, Candy has a hat where she can read here. She goes on about all the posters here that e-mail posts to her. Candy is a one man band, make no bones about it. I despise her more than I do Jameson, if that tells you anything. Watching You, I hate to see what they are doing to you over at the graveyard. If I were you I'd tell all of them to flock off. You don't owe those people, er animals anything. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "v_p" Posted by Watching you on 06:32:30 6/07/2001 so Candy says. I don't believe everything Candy says. Cops got more to do than play with jameson wannabes. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Well guys, I think " Posted by Florida on 07:14:11 6/07/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:14:11, 6/07/2001 Mame absolutely owes RS an apology for the baby raper henchperson remark but don't forget that she used the same verbage in the past for all the White supporters. All of them owe the Whites an apology. I agree with all of you, this will never happen. I don't have a clue why Candy has such a vendetta against JW. We've responded to her and let our feelings be known so now it's time to ignore her. Somehow she seems to crave the attention she gets from her negative posts so the best thing to do is not give it to her. Poof - Candy be gone!! Ah, momo - you could start the apologies to Mr. White. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Florida" Posted by momo on 07:45:35 6/07/2001 Why do I owe Fleet White an apology? You seem to have forgotten that I put the FW issue to rest last year, several months ago. I distinctly remember telling everyone that I wasn't posting about him anymore. I kept my word. You have a selective memory. I don't owe anyone an apology. But, nothing is good enough for some of you. It wouldn't matter what anyone says to you or anyone else here about how wrong they were about Fleet White. You say that all will be forgotten but would it? Hell no! You'll do good to leave me out of an expected apology. I don't owe anyone anything. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Momo, the reason" Posted by Florida on 08:33:24 6/07/2001 I think you owe Mr. White an apology is that you came back from Holly's meet Mame party and flat out called FW a "pervert" in a post on the JW forum. Why is it so hard to say "I'm sorry I did that, I had no evidence and I apologize for what I said." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "momo" Posted by Watching you on 06:55:53 6/07/2001 While I believe that mame et al do owe this forum an apology, I don't expect one to be forthcoming for various reasons, not least among those reasons being a possible lawsuit by FW against them. I suspect someone has told them to shut up. Good advice, actually. As far as what's going on at CS, LOL, Candyass is just a wannabe jameson. Her best friend is Robin. What does that tell you? I will continue to post wherever and whenever I want until someone throws my ass off. It will be a cold day in hell when the likes of Candy or Robin tells me what to do. And, that ought to be abundantly clear to them by now. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "So the BPD" Posted by Twitch on 07:14:53 6/07/2001 is feeding info to Candy? Day 1000 and what and they are feeding info to Candy? Get your heads in the game guys and gals and get it out of the internet forums. Now I'm sorry I fussed at the girls for leaving. I guess it would be best for them at this particular time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Florida" Posted by Jellyjaws on 08:33:11 6/07/2001 Don't be sorry, Florida. Your instincts were right. This "stoopid" stuff seems to bring out the worst. Many revel in it. To tell you the truth, it gives me the creeps. I've wanted to tell you, Florida, how much I'm enjoying, "Weatherbug." Just in the last few days I've gotten severe wind and weather warnings, and a fog alert. Nifty! It's a great site. Thanks, Florida. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "You're welcome JJ," Posted by Florida on 08:40:12 6/07/2001 I was alerted to a huge thunderstorm the other day by the Weatherbug "cricket beep" and unplugged my computer. A lot of hail and lightening and my faithful bug kept me and my computer safe and sound! I really like it and I'm happy you're enjoying it too. It'll really be a help in Flordia during the summer thunderstorm season. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "You said it, mame" Posted by Watching you on 08:55:11 6/07/2001 Another poster who was defamed by mame and is due an apology, AK: 78. "whoa..."Posted by mame on 23:22:05 3/31/2001 this is the second most hilarious thing i've heard all day...the first was hearing that frank coffman has gone and washed that grey right out of his hair...and now this psycho lithium infested flea turns up and pulls some more bullchit out of her ass...you got some brass balls, i'll give you that much... if you or anyone has information proving this woman is not to be trusted...THEN SAY IT IN FULL NOW!!! this information could help clear mr. white's name and put this story to rest once and for all. .. little ol' mame and her trusty dog sadie could stand tall and say "i was wrong, wrong, wrong miss respected journalist...i should have listened to your wise advice...i would be forced to admit to the internet world i was a gullible grassroots knock off journalist! Okay, mame. We're waiting. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Wy" Posted by Twitch on 09:07:06 6/07/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:07:06, 6/07/2001 I don't understand. Why don't you say what you really mean. Edited to say there is too much seriosity on this thread. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Twitcher" Posted by Watching you on 09:12:44 6/07/2001 what I am saying is, mame said if there were information proving NK was not to be trusted, she would say she was wrong, wrong, wrong. I think it's pretty obvious NK was not to be trusted. I want mame to say it. Sorry Twitch, I know you probably want this issue to just die down, but they aren't getting off that easily here. I was one of those who got it the worst. I want an acknowledgement they were wrong. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Twitch, " Posted by Florida on 09:12:24 6/07/2001 you should have told us you took "English as a first language" with George W! seriosity [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Also" Posted by Twitch on 09:11:43 6/07/2001 psycho lithium infested flea? Ouch. I hate fleas but I believe I would prefer psycho lithium infested ones. They are a little unpredictable but extremely laid back. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Speaking of Sadie" Posted by Florida on 09:19:42 6/07/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:19:42, 6/07/2001 wouldn't you just love to talk to the baker who lived next door to the j-j-j-journalist and her dog, Sadie? Speaking of Sadie again, I sure hope she isn't infested with psycho lithium infested fleas! She is a good looking dog. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Yes you have taken the brundt Wy" Posted by Twitch on 09:27:56 6/07/2001 and that's not right. If my back didn't hurt so right now from all that gardening Sparky made me do why I'd take em all out. I love ya Wy. I just can't be serious today. I'm sorry. Here, let me be your own personal Hallmark Card. Aw, shoot, I just can't think of anything now. Lets see... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Well," Posted by Watching you on 09:22:48 6/07/2001 can't say anything bad about sadie, because I love dogs. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Well..." Posted by Phantom on 09:30:59 6/07/2001 Maybe mame still believes NK even though the f.b.i. didn't? I will admit that I didn't know wth the name calling stuff was about. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Phantom" Posted by Watching you on 09:33:31 6/07/2001 never a truer word was spoken - you're damn right she still believes her. She could at least say she was wrong about the FBI investigation, that was flat out wrong. What mame and HER henchmen are doing now is giving us all the finger. Nothing new there, though. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "I have to step in..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 09:51:38 6/07/2001 ...to defend momo. Sure, she made a mistake, but she owned up to it, and has kept her promise to avoid all further discussions of White. momo went to a meeting of the "STARS" of JW. They conned her the way they conned many others. They are very persuasive, believe me. The "judge" who calls herself "judge" except when she's in trouble (then she backtracks to "officer of the court"), the renowned grassroots "journalist" (who backtracks to being a little old mom when in trouble), the vicious spinner who came to JW from the wayout wacky "Hush Samantha Foster" forum with the sole purpose of causing chaos, and the cheerleader from Texas, the ever-innocent Darby. This bunch was able to snow a "newbie" like momo. So, please, let momo off the hook. She is big enough to admit she was wrong, and kept a promise to make amends. Not like the scurvy liars who conned and pressured her. momo, who lovesya, baby? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Lurker" Posted by Florida on 10:28:57 6/07/2001 I'm not trying to hook Momo - I've enjoyed many of her posts in the past but she entered a converstion about apologies and I thought she might have enough common decency to apologize to Fleet White for the brutal post she made about him. You say Momo admitted she was wrong and kept a promise to make amends. I don't know when she did that or what amends she's made but I'll accept what you say. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Wy" Posted by Twitch on 09:43:24 6/07/2001 I couldn't come up with any words of inspiration so I'm gonna lend you my favorite insult, ok? If anybody messes with you, you have my permission to call them a shriveled up rat's nipple. I'm gonna go nap now so I'll check in when I get back and make sure there are no takers. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Hey momo" Posted by Twitch on 10:01:59 6/07/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:01:59, 6/07/2001 I'll forgive you if you but you better be kissing up to Sparky. Last I heard she was making a list and checking it twice. A couple of comments about her garden will go a long way. Also, tell her that red is your favorite color. All kidding aside, thank you for seeing the light and repenting from your wicked ways. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Florida" Posted by Twitch on 10:08:02 6/07/2001 Obviously, you forgot I'm from Georgia or you would have KNOWN that English is my second language. FYI, I did not study with GW, instead I'm taking lessons from our very own Zig-Zag Zell. I'm trying to kiss up to everybody. Cut momo some slack. She didn't run and hide. Please, thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Okay" Posted by Watching you on 10:19:43 6/07/2001 I'm going to cut momo some slack, too, although there were a few times I wanted to pound her into the ground. Hey, you know, even I, when this first started, was on mame's wagon. Does anyone remember how she was ranting and raving about threaten my kid, threaten my dog, threaten me, blah blah. I jumped right in there and started bashing "them" too. After that, though, I read her posts mostly in silence, without responding at all, and thought to myself, am I the only one who thinks something's not right, here? Then one day she did her infamous MW interview, and I very politely joshed her that she was doing most the talking. Man, the claws came out, the fangs started dripping.....mame didn't know it, but that was the biggest mistake she ever made with me. That defensive move that became offensive proved to me something was going on. She flucked up. Period. Things got hot then, and I retreated from the forum altogether for weeks until I cooled down and the conversation at JW had veered away from FW/MW. It was only when it started up again these past few months that I got sick of it and spoke up here. We know the rest of the story. That is my story. There are many other stories here of people who stood up and said this is wrong. I am proud to call each and every one of them my friend. Momo did back off, and she is still here. She didn't have an agenda - they did. I say give her a little nip if you want to, but love her anyways, because she is human like the rest of us. She's okay. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "So Twitch," Posted by 1000Sparks on 10:18:07 6/07/2001 you don't really like red, huh? Just made it up, huh? Don't really garden, huh? Well, I think you should get off of WY and Mono's back and start picking on the ones that have it coming.. like Florida... Did you see HER post???? Bibles says, Do onto others what they do onto you,..Corinthiums 2:3... Heard from Sl... nevermind... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Ah hell" Posted by Watching you on 10:21:09 6/07/2001 just fell off my damn chair again. Sparky, you've got to cut that shit out. Bwahahahahahahahahahha [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Now, Sparky" Posted by momo on 10:42:07 6/07/2001 You're still calling me Mono? You're just jealous cause I'm losing weight and getting fit and trim. Whaaaaaaaaaaaa! :-) Yes, I did go to the JW barbeque. I felt like I got beat up more for that than the FW thing. Some people got highly upset about the BBQ when truth be known, everyone was invited. Then I got bashed because I got a ticket. It wasn't the ticket that got me in trouble with anyone, it was because I went to the get together. Whatever, I can take it like a big girl. Bring it on. This is why no one will ever come back and apologize. Here it's been about 8 months and I've not said a whisper about FW. Some still won't let it go and then you wonder why no one will come back and apologize? Well, this is the very reason. Thanks, Watching you, Twitch and Lurker for your support. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Thanks WY.." Posted by Phantom on 10:35:17 6/07/2001 I was afraid someone was going to kill me when I posted above! :-) As for anything about proof, I was going to say that with molesters, there is never just one and they are the hardest to have prove against. For me, and NK, I have reason to believe in her molestation. (same area) But anything else I can only read about, don't know anything. As for the f.b.i., I personally have no faith in them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Momo" Posted by Watching you on 10:51:28 6/07/2001 it takes a mighty big person to say "I was wrong," and a mighty small person not to accept it. They had no problem all those months being in our faces, many times maliciously and arrogantly, and promoting that crap. They were big and brave then. They should have no problem coming back here and saying "I was wrong." I do not agree they fear retribution from this crowd - there isn't a fear in that group. They are sticking to their guns, they have no intention of apologizing to anyone. I don't think anyone on this forum is asshole enough to abuse them if they have the gumption to say they were wrong, they are sorry they caused so many problems, which they did. However, if they think the can come here and make some half-assed apology with a lot of "buts," they may as well not come at all. Then they would most like get it. And, while they are at it, they can go to CS and apologize to the posters there that they defamed and who got banned because of this mess. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "I was thinking" Posted by Twitch on 10:47:11 6/07/2001 we could make momo run the swift kick in the butt gauntlet. Picture what that gauntlet would look like.. me - barefoot Sparky - red spikes and fishnets starry - steel toe red wings and white socks Wy - sensible shoes and stockings hahahahaha Florida, I don't know what kind of shoes you and Lurker wear...care to line up? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "NO!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 10:52:44 6/07/2001 momo deserves no such thing. Thanks, Florida, for your response. momo was duped, like many others, by the charm of certain people. She made a mistake; she made a retraction. momo has character. Twitch, it wouldn't be fair to make someone with serious knee problems run anything, least of all a gauntlet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Damn Lurker" Posted by Twitch on 10:55:19 6/07/2001 You're no fun. Ok, she can walk it. What's wrong with a good ole swift kick in the butt now and then. Do us all some good. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Twitch" Posted by momo on 11:04:59 6/07/2001 I don't need anymore dimples in my ass. But thanks for the offer. You're too kind. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Hahahahha" Posted by Twitch on 11:08:43 6/07/2001 That was a good one, momo. Yep, you're a keeper. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "probably a stupid question, but..." Posted by Maggie on 20:43:17 6/07/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:43:17, 6/07/2001 Why should I accept this letter from the FBI as authentic? There is nothing I would like better than to put the Nancy Krebbs story to rest, believe me, but why is the 'source' someone I should trust? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "candy is a lot of things" Posted by v_p on 21:14:41 6/07/2001 including an insufferable bore and histrionic, but I don't think she'd be stupid enough to post a letter from the FBI that wasn't authentic. You don't fluck with the Bureau... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Maggie" Posted by fly on 21:28:15 6/07/2001 Maggie - In addition to v_p's sentiments, note that the letter was scanned in, not just transcribed. That gives it more (although not absolute) legitimacy. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Easy to scan" Posted by Ev on 08:35:39 6/08/2001 a concocted letter put on an FBI stationery facsimile. Notice how that letter is in the CS archives now. As a matter of fact, I came into having a blank page from a district court judge's "From the Desk of Judge......" when his wife made a note to me and tore out two pages instead of one. Boy, I certainly could have had fun with that! There were a few times when I considered it, but that's not me! Just remember --you can't believe everything you see on the Internet, even though facts as well as fallacies are out there. I'm not discrediting this letter --I'm just saying that it's not necessarily the real thing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "Good heavens" Posted by Watching you on 04:03:50 6/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 04:03:50, 6/08/2001 oh. Okay, I won't go there this morning. Suffice to say, Fly and v_p are right. Not even Candy is going to do something that stupid. Eff Bee Eye doesn't take kindly to anyone forging their correspondence. Saw something yesterday I thought quite interesting and was actually pissed I hadn't thought of it first, LOL. In all those months of the NK/FW saga, and the love-in with Lou Smit the latter part of that saga by some of the NK gang, no one ever brought up the fact that Lou Smit himself cleared FW from any nvolvement in JB's death. After all, as Criminy at CS points out (I don't take credit for other's great thoughts), according to ol' Lou, this elusive intruder broke into the Ramseys' home while the Ramseys were AT FLEET WHITE'S HOME. Imagine that. White couldn't have been both places at once, he couldn't have been at the Ramseys' writing ransom notes and making plans. Thanks, Lou. Even though I think you're full of smit, you've destroyed your devoted servants' story. Yeehhhaaawwwww. And pass the mustard, please. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "I would like to" Posted by Watching you on 05:28:11 6/09/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 05:28:11, 6/09/2001 express my appreciation to all of those who had the integrity to take a stand against the malicious and intentional slander and attempted destruction of someone they never even met - FW. Some hats stand out to me - Florida, v_p, RiverRat, Real Stormy, Twitch, JR, Lacey, Lurker XIV, Sparky, Fly, Shadow, JellyJaws, Scully, FT, AK, ayelean, Real Seeker, Rose, BobC, RonS, Bets, Mandarin, Imbackon, Janab, Pedro, oh I shouldn't have started naming hats, because I know I'm forgetting many. You all know who you are. I will also say that I will not be amenable to letting anyone off the hook unless and until I see a sincere attempt to make amends by them. I don't expect that to be forthcoming, and for myself, I could not care less. But, there are some who were hurt deeply by their antics, and they deserve apologies. I'm afraid, though, for me, the damage has been done. I will never trust any of them again. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "You know" Posted by Twitch on 06:26:05 6/08/2001 its real funny. I always thought this started with that deposition by JR. I don't mean the MW stuff, I mean the battle between JR and FW. JR was a little too fuzzy towards FW, almost like this is your last chance to rejoin the fold. Like he was sending secret messages to FW. After that deposition brought no reconciliation, JR unleashed the big guns. Wonder how many were doing his bidding and didn't even know it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Blast from the Past" Posted by Lacey on 06:20:39 6/08/2001 Thanks, WY, you're a credit to the forum I was banned on trumped-up charges last Fall over this MW issue, lest we forget. I've put it behind me but I want to say once again, BIG THANK-YOU'S to everyone on BOTH forums, for making sure the truth got out. Your show of support.. well, I'll never forget it. Like, hugs y'all. L8r- Lacey [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Florida" Posted by Watching you on 07:25:47 6/08/2001 you will be receiving a message from me through another poster. Hang in there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Watching You." Posted by Florida on 08:31:25 6/08/2001 You don't have to - I appreciate it and now I understand - a big HUG to you and a big group HUG to all!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Gawd, I hope so" Posted by Watching you on 08:34:00 6/08/2001 You about had me in tears, you big dummy. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Ev" Posted by Watching you on 08:41:57 6/08/2001 I don't doubt this letter at all, but if you do, perhaps you should contact the FBI and have the letter verified or rejected as real for your own peace of mind. I'm no fan of Candy's, but nobody in his right mind tampers with government property. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "Ev" Posted by momo on 11:48:44 6/08/2001 I also have questions about the letter. Why didn't Candy post the letter she sent the FBI? Why was the thread archived? I think even Pedro had a problem with that. Not saying that the letter isn't valid. I question anything I see on the internet. Especially when it comes from Candy Ass. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "I think I'll ask her," Posted by Watching you on 11:50:22 6/08/2001 momo. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "momo" Posted by fly on 12:07:55 6/08/2001 momo - The links to the image of the letter are reposted on a new thread. I seriously doubt the links to the FBI letter were the cause of the thread being archived. More likely, it was caused by the degeneration of the thread to personal conflicts. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "Watching you....." Posted by rose on 12:46:12 6/08/2001 I supported you all the way when the FW/MW thing was going on. Still support you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "Rose" Posted by Watching you on 12:53:08 6/08/2001 of course you did, only I'd rather have it that you supported the anti-FW bashing than WY. I'm going to edit my post. I told y'all I'd forget someone. Keep coming anyone I've forgotten, let's make that list grow. Thanks, Rose. For everything. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "Hmmmmmm" Posted by Ev on 15:59:05 6/08/2001 The FBI can verify or deny a letter with no addressee's nor writer's names? Since (this is on memory only because I can't find those links I looked at recently to refresh my mind) the letter spoke in generalities, IMO, there seemed to be nothing libelous to cause officials to spend time ferreting out the actual letter. Can't remember --did it even say which FBI office it came from? WY, people DO mess with the Government agencies and take those chances, but as I said, the letter could be the real thing. I'm just not sure, and I don't take it as gospel. I did notice the paragraph indents, which are common in law offices and some government offices, but of course, anyone can use that type of letter form. In my experience with the businesses I worked for, we never used indents (probably so more text could be packed on the page!) That causes me to lean a little more toward the possibility that the letter could be the real thing, but that would be just a side issue. Totally non-evidentiary. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "WY" Posted by Maggie on 15:49:13 6/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:49:13, 6/08/2001 I support your stand on this matter 100%. Always have. It isn't my style to wade right in there like you do, but right after the get-together in MD when things got really nasty, I opened a discussion of other reasons that could explain FWs behavior, and other scenarios which could explain the surfacing of NK. Got quite a few takers, but only one from the faction that supports NK, and that was Darby. Her posts have always seemed well balanced to me, and I don't know why she is being lumped in with the hard-core bashers. Granted, since those discussions and until the recent call for a vote to split the forum, I only skimmed those threads looking for new facts, so half the forum could have gone hard-core without my noticing. Ahyhoo, I didn't question the FBI letter because it doesn't fit my agenda....I questioned it because I don't know who to trust anymore. Back during the above-mentioned discussions (and probably in my last post on the subject until the forum split) I made the following observation: that the two people I knew of who had actually met NK, (Chris and Mame), seemed to be honest, upstanding, caring people who didn't strike me as overly gullible. Based on that, I was willing to give NK the benefit of the doubt, pending further information. I stated that if they came upon any evidence that NK was a fraud, I trusted them to tell us that also. All this was before Mame joined in on the name-calling, and before Chris got testy on the subject. I guess I'm just done trusting anyone. Edited to thank fly and vp for their assurances. Once I get out of that 'wouldn't put anything past...' mode, the logic in your comments will probably sink in....LOL I'd still like the facts surrounding NKs story. Doesn't matter whether she is a complete fraud, or mentally ill and being used to further someone's agenda, or the genuine article, the truth will be interesting to me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "Miaggie" Posted by Watching you on 15:57:24 6/08/2001 I honestly don't recall ever seeing your hat here before, Were you posting under a different hat? There is a poster in California who lives not far from NK. The picture this poster has painted of Nancy Krebs is far different from what was posted on this forum. Is it true? I believe this poster, but I haven't seen it for myself, soI can't tell anyone I have this hot news. That's not the way I operate. More than one person has told me NK is a fraud, and if this poster is right, she is much more than a fraud. That's all I can tell you for sure. I have reason to believe there will be some revelations forthcoming sometime in the future. This is what I've been told. I can't verify it. I can only hope it is true. When there is anything verifiable that I can post, that isn't all hearsay, you can be certain that I will post it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "The weirdest thing," Posted by Gemini on 16:25:03 6/08/2001 and the thing that tipped the balance for my willingness to give MW the benefit of the doubt, was the fact that - in spite of the supposed hard, physical evidence of her abuse - no one was arrested. Say a woman staggers into a hospital emergency room, her body ravaged as we heard MW's was. If said woman gave the authorities the name(s) of her abusers, I have to think that's all the info that would be needed to pick up these scum and arrest them. Yet, that didn't happen. Were police departments in two states contributing to her abuse by aiding the molestors? Sorry, that's very far fetched ... especially in light of the public exposure all this was getting online and via Lee Hill and Hunter (not to mention, Mame). And yet, those who brought this story to the forums seemed to believe absolutely ... alluding to further info they could not divulge WHILE an investigation was still in progress. So, that left room for doubt and a "wait and see" motivation. Now that investigations are over, it seems anyone who was sincere about their beliefs would surely come back in and tell us (at the very least) the "secret" info that kept them persuaded they had legitimate reason for concern. I don't think this can extend to loading the Whites (especially the children) with rumor and slander, but IF the reasons for supporting MW were compelling - fine ... tell us about it. WY, honey, Mags has been here, like, forever ... since before you came to J-7 from BNF. She, like many other old-timers, just hasn't posted a lot lately. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Gemini" Posted by Watching you on 16:55:35 6/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 16:55:35, 6/08/2001 in NYS, unless the police see a crime taking place, a victim has to file charges against her attacker. I'm not sure about the law on this, especially anymore, because I think they have changed something in the law where, for instance, in a case of domestic abuse, they are now able to arrest the suspect without a supporting filing by the victim, usually a girlfriend or wife. I don't know how the law works in Colorado (heh, not well, apparently), or California, but I do know that if Nancy Krebs had shown up in hospital in our city with the injuries described to us on this forum; i.e., burned to the bone, she would have been questioned (and don't ever think cops don't develop a sense about victims, they do), and required to sign an affadavit of charges so the cops could legally look for and arrest the perp. Many women get beat up and get mad in the moment, want their spouses or boyfriends or whomever arrested and taken away for the rest of their lives, then when they calm down, they refuse to press charges. Pisses cops off, and every time they get a call to that same address, it pisses them off even more. It sounds to me as if Nancy Krebs herself refused to press any charges against anyone. In fact, I'd bet on it. That was something that was asked plenty of times but never answered. That and about a hundred other questions. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Yep," Posted by Phantom on 16:24:02 6/08/2001 I've heard stuff about someone, and about someone working in the care giving business, and I put that 2 & 2 and lots of other stuff together and I believe that it is a lot about NK. That's all I can say too, don't know any real facts or anything, but it is all VERY believable to me.(With all the talk from a few certain "undesirable" people here) I don't know why people think that NK is a fake if FW has nothing to do with the murder of JonBenet. I thought NK only said that she had been molested like JonBenet could have been murdered.? Did I miss something? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Phantom" Posted by Watching you on 16:41:45 6/08/2001 I don't "think" anything about Nancy Krebs. I have been told some things, have weighed those things against what I've deciphered from the stories I've read on this forum about her. If there ever was a Nancy Krebs abuse story, it did not belong on the JonBenet Ramsey forum. The only reason it was brought here was to discredit the a very important witness in the JBR murder. Now, one has to question why this was. There is obviously no validity to any claims that FW or his father were involved in any sex ring of pedophiles who abused Nancy Krebs when she was a child and into her adulthood. That was ludicrous to begin with. So why? Why was there such a push to infiltrate this forum with these accusations? Like I said, to discredit FW, the major witness in any John and Patsy Ramsey murder trial. Who would want to do that? Who would have reason to discredit this man? Obviously, the Rams and the RST. More than that I'm not willing to say right not. I have my suspicions, and I also have my suspicions about the ones who brought it all here - to the one JBR forum that was considered the best, before all this happened. Hopefully that distinction might return some day. A lot has been damaged. Figure it out, Phantom, it wasn't your everyday, run-of-the-mill discussion of a witness, it was an all-out, in your face assault on FW's character. Gemini, thanks. Maggie, I apologize for not recognizing you. YOu must have been sort of quiet - either that or I was just so focused I didn't see you standing there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "Yep again," Posted by Phantom on 17:41:32 6/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:41:32, 6/08/2001 >I don't "think" anything about Nancy Krebs. > I have been told some >things, have weighed those things against >what I've deciphered from the stories >I've read on this forum about >her. If there ever was >a Nancy Krebs abuse story, it >did not belong on the JonBenet >Ramsey forum. The only reason >it was brought here was to >discredit the a very important witness >in the JBR murder. You could be right about that. Some people really did seem to think that FW could have or probably did have something to do with JonBenet's murder. >Now, one has to question why this >was. There is obviously no >validity to any claims that FW >or his father were involved in >any sex ring of pedophiles who >abused Nancy Krebs when she was >a child and into her adulthood. > That was ludicrous to begin >with. So why? Why >was there such a push to >infiltrate this forum with these accusations? > Like I said, to discredit >FW, the major witness in any >John and Patsy Ramsey murder trial. I don't know, but I believe someone said something,about FW I think, of some kind of sexual-incidence, and for some reason, to me, it sounded so real or possible. But then I can't remember what was actually said! But if it was true, or believed, then I understand why they could have thought that he could have something to do with, or know others that knew, about JonBenet's murder. Anyway, that's all I could understand, and waited to hear more about it all. >Who would want to do that? >Who would have reason to discredit >this man? Obviously, the Rams >and the RST. More than >that I'm not willing to say >right not. I have my >suspicions, and I also have my >suspicions about the ones who brought >it all here - to the >one JBR forum that was considered >the best, before all this happened. > Hopefully that distinction might return >some day. A lot has >been damaged. Sorry, I don't remember what or why or if the Ramseys are still friends or not with the Whites.After a murder, I would think feelings could arise in anyway to alienate those that had been at the murder scene and/or were friends . >Figure it out, Phantom, it wasn't your >everyday, run-of-the-mill discussion of a witness, >it was an all-out, in your >face assault on FW's character. No, it was quite a lot of interest in FW. I didn't know what or who to believe. Somehow I think that most people wanted justice, and posted honestly, but that, what happens when a subject seems so possibly important, it got out of hand and everyone got more and more personally involved.? There could have been a few that were the RST that DID want to FW to be doubted. Edited to add:But then again, one or two of the people that complained that FW couldn't possibly have been a molester....something just sounded ,to me like they thought or knew that he was or might have been, and didn't want it to be known because it could have lead to themselves. Don't know why but that's the feeling I got. I don't remember who the posters were...It just seemed to be a possiblity. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "Do you folow" Posted by Watching you on 17:38:22 6/08/2001 this case closely, Phantom? I think that's the problem with a lot of people, they are not aware of all the fact and non facts and spin and therefore can be influenced by unscrupulous people. The Ramseys and the Whites parted company while in Atlanta, GA, for the funeral. There was a falling out there because FW did not like it that Ramseys were lawyering up and going on CNN. There is another version of that - the Ramsey version which claims FW encouraged them to go on CNN. Frankly, I don't believe that. Anyways, they have not spoken to each other since that time, which was approximately one week after the murder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "Follow the FW story?" Posted by Phantom on 18:14:02 6/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:14:02, 6/08/2001 Actually, no. But I can't help being interested and want to know anything about NK. If you mean the JonBenet murder, yes I follow it, but ever since the BPD kept letting out negative wrong info about the Ramseys,on purpose,I stopped really listening to what the "facts" were. And then I didn't know who posted what, and what was true or if anyone knew anything....you get the idea? That's why I don't care that much about what's posted, I guess, unless it's against me, personally. I totally understand that probably everyone cannot relate to my experiences, let alone my thinking sometimes I guess. :-)? I guess I think the truth will eventually come out in the end? I'd heard ,here ,that the Whites were not friends anymore of the Ramseys, I just didn't think that it meant anything probably. It's the same with all the books mentioned. I haven't read any of them, but have read what was posted about them. I don't really believe or disbelieve anything written in ANY of them. People point out different info,but as to who knows who's telling the truth,and where, no one knows. And I got tired of guessing, or even to reason it all out, particularly to what I believe, that the Ramseys didn't murder JonBenet. I sort-of read when there's a feud as it's building...but mostly figure that that's just human nature. I'm really not such a wishy-washy thinker. It's just that I hate being lied to or used and abused. Edited to add. Maybe I am a wishy-washy thinker ....? :-^ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "Watching You" Posted by Bets on 18:12:50 6/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:12:50, 6/08/2001 I'm not prolific, but I have had more than one post where I denounced those who would pounce on Fleet White and accuse him of such horrible things, with absolutely no factual basis. And, as I stated in those posts, it's never been about being part of a Fleet White fan club, in my case. (I don't have feelings one way or the other for the man, since I really don't know him.) It's simply the common sense and decency of not maligning and slandering another human being without very clear and positive proof of misdeeds. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "Thanks, Bets" Posted by Watching you on 16:11:44 6/08/2001 I'm sorry I forgot you. You were indeed in there slugging away, I saw you. I would like to compile as complete a list as possible. It started out as just a thank you, now it would be nice just to have all the names together. I'll add you. Forgive this forgetful oldish woman. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "Ya' know Gemini," Posted by Florida on 18:36:07 6/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:36:07, 6/08/2001 In post after post we asked why there were never any charges filed. First we got no answer at all.... Then we were asked "how do you know none have been".... Then we got a post by Spencer with many reasons, some of them are... Statute had run out on most assaults..... This is true. She felt betrayed by the community, etc., after the Boykin episode... She might be too terrified and not be a good witness... Too difficult to prove.... In Mame's last interview with her Nancy Krebs said she was not going away - she would be around to see the end of this..........Well, where in the hell is she? She came here and made charges and disappeared although she had a great deal of support - much more than 99.9% of rape victims. The story seemed "off" to me when I first heard it but gave it the benefit of the doubt until the BPD report came out. There were many of us who believed the BPD report and were naive enough to think this would be the end of it. Little did we know that was just the start of the most horrendous chapter in JW history. I was told a long time ago there was no FBI investigation but I had no proof so I never said anything. The FBI letter is true. I've heard a lot of things about NK and how this whole thing came to be but I can't prove it so will remain quiet until I can. Edited to add: The post by Spencer I referrenced above is undoubtedly true in many, many cases. It is a post filled with poignant truth but I don't believe it applied to NK. Look for #73 "NK". Spencer's post [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "GEM, WY" Posted by Maggie on 12:36:10 6/09/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:36:10, 6/09/2001 GEM, that's it in a nutshell....I trusted the integrity of the posters. Perhaps that makes me naive, but I don't think people can post daily for years and not reveal something of their heart and personality. I'm a little disappointed right now but I still trust my gut re their hearts being in the right place (Edited to add) 'when they first met Nancy.' Jury's still out re their heads? LOL I probably just got banned, but dammitall, we're supposed to be old friends here! WY yes, I've been very quiet lately, except in spurts, so I'm not surprised you haven't seen my hat. I've debated every facet of this case from every angle possible, but after a couple years I realized I'd said it all, and didn't feel like saying it all again. I pop in occasionally when I feel I have something to add. I am intrigued by the info you hinted at above. If you feel I'm trustworthy enough to share with, you can reach me at Maggieddd@yahoo.com If not, I understand. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "My 75 Cents" Posted by v_p on 18:20:20 6/08/2001 (Inflation) I am not a card-carrying Fleet White Fan Club Member, but I have a lot of respect for the man. He has information and his reputation must remain pristine... or as close to it as possible... to ever take the witness stand with any credibility. IMO, that's what this whole mess was about ... discrediting Fleet White. Think about it. Everyone else, with the exception of the Fernies... maybe, has spilled their guts in one way or the other. Not Fleet or Priscilla. John and Patsy Ramsey know that Fleet will deal a devastating blow if he ever takes the stand as a witness for the prosecution. PR and JR never mention this woman ... not to poo-poo her claims or add credence ... nada... nothing. Hmmmm, why? Could there be a pay-off in there somewhere for NK? Let's find someone whom no one would believe later if she/he said we paid her off ... maybe someone with mental problems. We'll pay her and even her psychiatrist to illude to an inappropriate association between FW and herself. BINGO ... what a treasure trove they found in NK! The God-father link was just gravy ... and a foundation to build on. Could Lee Hill be part of the pay-off? Hey, he's a lawyer... And then the naive, star-struck journalist will help to spread the rumor on the internet... ~*~*~*~*~*~* The above is a work in progress and definitely JMHO. Whaddy'all thank? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "Me, I think.." Posted by Phantom on 18:33:24 6/08/2001 I don't know why you think FW knows anything. He might, he might not...why are you SO sure? And if he DID know something, he would have told the police.It's not the Ramseys fauly that the police haven't charged them with anything.? The Ramseys probably don't know wth NK is, and if they've heard of her, are just waiting to hear if or what she knows, and if it has any information of who murdered JonBenet. I really don't understand how so many can believe the Ramseys are some kind of master criminals. Just by reading a book? And they are so smart and have so many ways of making people do what the Ramseys want.......... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "Maggie" Posted by Watching you on 18:02:48 6/08/2001 honest, it has nothing to do with trusting you or not trusting you. I don't have a good enough handle on anything yet to start dishing out what could very well be bad information. I think Florida must be onto the same information, and I see she feels the same way. It's all hearsay and I don't deal in hearsay in cases where the information can be very harmful. It isn't just nickel-dime stuff, it's serious stuff, and to just throw out gossip at this point, even stating it is gossip, would be irresponsible in my view. So, please don't take it personally. If I ever get proof of it, I will share it with everyone. Otherwise, it probably never was based on fact or can't be proved. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 87. "WY I respect you for that" Posted by Maggie on 19:58:03 6/08/2001 And I will respect you right up to the minute I die of curiosity... ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "I think, v_p" Posted by Watching you on 18:24:27 6/08/2001 you're probably on the right track, but I think there's more involvement by others. Note, I say, "I think." Think, woman, think. Think...think [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "k Wy" Posted by v_p on 18:43:25 6/08/2001 thinking thinking thinking.... Phantom, I'm not as think as you drunk I am... (I have a really hard time deciphering your posts... sorry) I can say, though, that I don't think the Ramsey's are master minds at anything ... I just think they were islands surrounded by idiots in Boulder... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 84. "V-P" Posted by Scully on 19:27:29 6/08/2001 Wow! Your post #79 gives one food for thought. You should have been a detective. Excellent theory. Hello to all my friends on this thread...I admire each and every one of you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 83. "WY" Posted by fly on 19:21:08 6/08/2001 WY - Have a heart! If you're going to drop breadcrumbs about info on NK, please make them big enough to consume. If you can't provide more substance, perhaps you can at least give some indication as to what flavor loaf they come from? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 85. "Hey fly" Posted by Twitch on 19:42:50 6/08/2001 They are coming from the "something is a-rye loaf". Hahaha I guess I should learn to say I think also. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 86. "Twitch" Posted by fly on 19:56:42 6/08/2001 Very funny. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 88. "My clue that something was rotten in Denmark" Posted by ayelean on 21:00:22 6/08/2001 When the MW chit hit the fan, I couldn't believe the Rams didn't jump up and yell VICTORY if there was any truth to it. After studying the Rams I felt so confused when the MW surfaced, until I figured out that her history could have been woven into the staging. The missing link was, did the Ramseys or at least Patsy know of MW alledged history? I ask Mame every way I could to find the answer to that question, and all I ever got was evasive, round about or more often, no answers. Looking back, I can see why I got those elusive answers. Eventually it could be verified, so in essences, I stumped Mame and she couldn't answer the question one way or the other because it would trip the plot, whatever the plot was suppose to be. I think I posed a scenario where Fleet could be innocence and the Rams still guilty, but it defeated the plot because it was to make Fleet guilty. I hope I made sense there. LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 89. "aaylean" Posted by v_p on 21:17:24 6/08/2001 I understood you puyfectly... and that should cause you some concern... :o) I think we all asked questions that went unanswered... Why no arrest - after all, there were stun gun wounds that went bone deep Why no FBI investigation since this apparently took place across county lines Why didn't NK press charges against FW rather than the other way around ... which, as the fab 4 would have us believe, would be the only justifiable scenario?? How, exactly, did Lee Hill become involved in this? NK and MB were surfing the net after seeing him on TV and decided to call him out of the blue about their "coinkydink?" ok Why would Lou Smit come to Mame's house to interview NK? And why didn't he mention her EVEN ONCE in his fantasy intruder theory? Hell, they had sketch-man and boot-man, why not mystery-woman? There were always more questions than answers ... Such an imbalance smacks of deceipt... I Think [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 90. "WY ..." Posted by Mandarin on 23:09:39 6/08/2001 Hey WY, you forgot me ... Mandarin - for the longest time I did what I thought best about the MW garbage that was totally unfair to the White family. But when I couldn't take Mame and her little honchos going on 'ad nauseum' in defaming a man and his family anymore I had to respond. I ticked off the ego-driven mame ... and I secretly had not trusted her from the moment she started posting and hanging around the court rooms. When she tried to make light of the fact that she was a little ashamed of her 'Tab Reporter Assignment' to ambush Fleet White at his home, (which she claims she backed out of) I knew for sure then just how far she would go to ruin people's reputation, in order to put herself in the spotlight. "Norma Desmond" step aside, mame was almost ready for her close-up. Thanks to you WY, mame and her ilk got it, right between the eyes. And you're absolutely right, those amateur one-way interviews with MW were a perfect waste of every JWers time. You know, I actually found her more deplorable and vile than sneaky Jeff Shapiro. Thanks for all your hardwork ... at one time I had pretty much figured out that mame & her gang had nearly obliterated the JW forum - it got that bad. It almost became the MW/FW forum. She's always been out to get the BPD and FW, from the get-go. And strangely, I never really ever saw her post anything remotely helpful in our quest for Jonbenet, if she ever remembered to mention Jonbenet's name at all. Remember my post ... who let the dogs out. Oh well, I admire your persistence and dedication, otherwise the forum WOULD have gone to the dogs. Was that their hidden agenda? Again, all your hard work was sincerely appreciated. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 91. "Hello Mandarin" Posted by Twitch on 23:22:52 6/08/2001 Your words about Wy are very true. She certainly had the courage to lead the resistence. She also had the compassion to make the fight about the forum and not individual personalities. Things got a little tough for her from time to time. Since Ruthee passed over Wy has stepped up and filled a good part of the void she left. Not that their contributions are so similar but they are all equally sincere and germain. Wy has remained grounded thoughout. I think Fleet White owes her a great deal of gratitude...if he even cares. She has put herself on the line for the civil rights of a man she doesn't even know just because it was the right thing to do. I hope I always have her in my corner. If not, she'll be on my backside cause my ass is outa there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 92. "Twitch - " Posted by Florida on 08:32:49 6/09/2001 LOL, this is great!! I think Fleet White owes her a great deal of gratitude...if he even cares. She has put herself on the line for the civil rights of a man she doesn't even know just because it was the right thing to do. I hope I always have her in my corner. If not, she'll be on my backside cause my ass is outa there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE