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Globe 6/20- "Patsy Ramsey's Ready To Crack!", sabrina, 15:37:20, 6/10/2000 thank you Sabrina, Msracoon, 16:14:34, 6/10/2000, (#1) McCrary..., Byron, 16:57:39, 6/10/2000, (#2) Great photo!, Anton, 19:10:10, 6/10/2000, (#3) Anton, Msracoon, 19:45:26, 6/10/2000, (#4) Great photo, Seashell, 20:22:03, 6/10/2000, (#5) I think I am back to "Burke did it.", sally denver, 20:22:38, 6/10/2000, (#6) sally denver....I'm With, La Contessa, 12:03:07, 6/13/2000, (#50) Seems Like, lake, 20:28:30, 6/10/2000, (#7) Hey Lake...re: # 7, La Contessa, 12:06:09, 6/13/2000, (#51) Lake, cstuart, 15:31:46, 6/11/2000, (#35) You, sir, are a cad!, ConnieToo, 10:32:47, 6/11/2000, (#31) Just curious Lake, v_p, 07:05:26, 6/11/2000, (#16) sally denver--From what I've read,, fiddler, 21:23:23, 6/10/2000, (#8) Thanks, Fiddler but I have absolutely no, sally denver, 21:32:18, 6/10/2000, (#9) jameson?? I think the "bulldog", Susan Stein, ConnieToo, 10:45:02, 6/11/2000, (#32) Don't forget...., sabrina, 16:02:10, 6/11/2000, (#37) LOL ConnieToo, Ribaldone, 10:48:48, 6/11/2000, (#33) Well, no sally denver, lake, 21:44:39, 6/10/2000, (#10) Speaking of dis_man, janphi, 22:29:05, 6/10/2000, (#12) I think, lake, 23:37:48, 6/10/2000, (#13) Good godamighty., Holly, 21:52:13, 6/10/2000, (#11) Steve Thomas, nana2, 04:12:40, 6/11/2000, (#14) post script, nana2, 04:15:18, 6/11/2000, (#15) total paraphrase, Byron, 07:22:32, 6/11/2000, (#17) from the transcript, sabrina, 07:32:36, 6/11/2000, (#19) Transcript, meltdown, 07:31:33, 6/11/2000, (#18) I hate to disagree with, lecarl, 07:57:33, 6/11/2000, (#20) I agree, Ribaldone, 08:38:02, 6/11/2000, (#21) Agree, sabrina, 09:36:48, 6/11/2000, (#26) Ribaldone, momo, 09:24:16, 6/11/2000, (#23) ..., Byron, 08:47:07, 6/11/2000, (#22) burke, marlaon, 09:34:51, 6/11/2000, (#25) Byron, momo, 09:26:08, 6/11/2000, (#24) Momo/Sabrina, Ribaldone, 09:48:18, 6/11/2000, (#28) she'd crack, Nandee, 09:42:01, 6/11/2000, (#27) Yeah, Nandee....., La Contessa, 12:19:05, 6/13/2000, (#52) Mcrary's reputation?, Texan, 10:06:49, 6/11/2000, (#30) The part on the headstone, momo, 10:03:10, 6/11/2000, (#29) Greg McCrary rocks!, LurkerXIV, 11:25:04, 6/11/2000, (#34) Ramseys weren't along onstage, MJenn, 15:53:12, 6/11/2000, (#36) You know, MJenn, janphi, 10:34:24, 6/12/2000, (#44) Phrasing...., La Contessa, 12:25:50, 6/13/2000, (#53) Janphi, MJenn, 15:39:57, 6/12/2000, (#47) McCrary's right, Ginja, 17:23:02, 6/11/2000, (#40) Ginja....I Like It, La Contessa, 12:31:17, 6/13/2000, (#54) Wow, Ginja, MJenn, 17:31:53, 6/11/2000, (#42) Got a question..., zoomama, 17:18:31, 6/11/2000, (#39) MJ, Edie Pratt, 17:15:50, 6/11/2000, (#38) Edie, momo, 12:32:44, 6/12/2000, (#45) Edie, I love it!!, LurkerXIV, 10:15:27, 6/12/2000, (#43) The Whack Pack!, MJenn, 17:28:21, 6/11/2000, (#41) I don't think either will ever crack, Starling, 13:05:02, 6/12/2000, (#46) Starling, Darling, La Contessa, 12:37:23, 6/13/2000, (#55) "I was there", MJenn, 15:53:43, 6/12/2000, (#48) MJenn......., La Contessa, 12:39:56, 6/13/2000, (#56) Larry King baited Patsy about her mental state - IT WORKED, CommonSense, 11:38:41, 6/13/2000, (#49) Ginja..., shadow, 13:00:42, 6/13/2000, (#57) shadow...The Charge, La Contessa, 15:48:06, 6/13/2000, (#58) ewwww LaContessa, v_p, 15:56:54, 6/13/2000, (#59) Horsewhipping, S & M, MJenn, 21:41:24, 6/13/2000, (#60) ................................................................... "Globe 6/20- "Patsy Ramsey's Ready To Crack!"" Posted by sabrina on 15:47:06 6/10/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:47:06, 6/10/2000 by Bob Cain TV Slip Ups Give Her Away! Patsy Ramsey is so rattled that she'd crumble under intense police questioning about the death of her murdered 6-year-old daughter JonBenet. That's the stunning conclusion of former FBI profiler Gregg McCrary after watching Patsy and her husband John's performance on TV's Larry King Live. "Her expressions and body language tell me she would wilt undeer a one-on-one interview," McCrary told GLOBE. "She is susceptible to caving in under intense questioning." The former Miss West Virginia looked like she was ready to crack in front of millions of TV viewers when she was quizzed on the show by Steve Thoms, the former Boulder, Colc., police detective, says McCrary. He notes that her hsuband repeatedly jumped in to answer for her and prevent her from saying anything damaging. "John constantly supports and defends her', says McCrary. "He even answers for her." One of John's interruptions came as Thoms was discussing with Patsy the reasons why she could be arrested for JonBenet's strangulation-beating death on Dec. 26,1996. Thomas:Let her answer the question, John. Why won't you let your wife answer the question? John:Because you have assaulted her. You've called her a murderer. Amazingly, McCrary says John goofed when Thomas asked him if the person convicted of JonBenet's murder should be executed for the grisly crime. The slain child's father explained that he would not support the death penalty because innocent people end up on death row due to flaws in the justice system. But McCrary says, "John Ramsey dodged the question.It's a simple yes or no answer." The former FBI man noted that "people who are usually guilty of a crime either avoid or answer 'no' to this question because they don't want to be hard on guilty party. "In other words, they don't want to be tough on themselves." JonBenet's dad also goofed when he admitted he was awake on the night of the murder, contradicting earlier statements that he slept through the night and never heard a thing, says McCrary. Back in April, GLOBE reported that the Ramsey's appearances on TV to declare their innocence were backfiring because of slips they were making. And McCrary says their Larry King appearance was just another "PR Event". "They have taken the offensive,"he says, "but nobody is backing down." http://www.geocities.com/sabra320/Patster.jpg Check out this photo from the article [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "thank you Sabrina" Posted by Msracoon on 16:14:34 6/10/2000 for your placing that there. It was very interesting. I am always interested in what Greg McCrary has to say. Ms.Rac. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "McCrary..." Posted by Byron on 16:57:39 6/10/2000 ...seems to be one of the, if not THE, most credible current or former members of law enforcement speaking about the case. He bends over backwards to be fair, and still comes to the obvious, and extremely well-reasoned, conclusion. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Great photo!" Posted by Anton on 19:10:10 6/10/2000 That picture tells us a lot about their relationship together. She's emoting, expressing herself in a dramatic way (whatever the occasion) and John gazes at her with an expression that combines adoration with horror: God, I love this woman -- how does she do that? Although he might also be thinking smile for the camera, John; I wish she'd shut up. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Anton" Posted by Msracoon on 19:45:26 6/10/2000 FWIW, I vote for #2. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Great photo" Posted by Seashell on 20:22:03 6/10/2000 Adoration? I never see that, only fear. Of course he doesn't want the death penalty becuz innocent people sometimes get convicted; he knows Patsy is innocent of being the sole perpette. McCrary's wonderful and so are you, Sabrina. Thanks for typing that. I'm still mulling over the insistence of JR that the head blow came first - it points loudly at Patsy, and I believe he wants that very badly. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "I think I am back to "Burke did it."" Posted by sally denver on 20:22:38 6/10/2000 We know the Ramsey's are guilty as sin but is there any was on God's earth anyone would cover up for a spouse who killed his/her precious child? Bad enough an homest accident - but that child was SO beautiful and talented - after this time has gone by you'd think John would have turned on Patsy by now. Nope, I think Patsy was afraid Burke would be taken away and Patsy did the staging - John (being the pompous ass he is) thought it would "blow over" and he could save the family name. Now he's stuck with a crazy wife (which perhaps he didn't realize before JonBenet's death) OR they both are guilty (Peter Boyles theory that Patsy caught John molesting the child, swung at him and hit JonBenet by accident). Will this go down in history as Lizzie Borden has??? Will we ever know the truth? Burke is the missing link - no way around it. PS there is NO love lost between John and Patsy - they deserve each other! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "sally denver....I'm With" Posted by La Contessa on 12:03:07 6/13/2000 you, Toots. The more I see and read of the parents, the more convinced I am that Burke did it and the parents are covering up. Notice how Burke disapppears? They never talk about him. If he was innocent wouldn't John and Patsy have included him in their nationally televised pity party? Wouldn't his "suffering" over the loss of his little sister been in their book? Burke is the invisible kid. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Seems Like" Posted by lake on 20:28:30 6/10/2000 McCrary and Linda Hoffman must have been a little short on cash this month. Why else would a former FBI profiler and a cleaning lady be taking money from the rag sheets like the Star an the Globe? Now the cleaning lady, I can understand. But an ex FBI profiler who wears his FBI school ring with such pride? I hope he has taken the ring off and had it melted down and thrown it in the trash with his reputation. Another on bites the dust. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Hey Lake...re: # 7" Posted by La Contessa on 12:06:09 6/13/2000 Who's paying YOU? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Lake" Posted by cstuart on 15:31:46 6/11/2000 You seem SO mean. Why? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "You, sir, are a cad!" Posted by ConnieToo on 10:32:47 6/11/2000 That was a totally snotty thing to say. You didn't answer my question earlier about your alma mater, your major and minor, and how you seem to believe that the Ramseys word should be believed. Hell, which words.. they conflict former statements all the time. Patsy, I think you're good for it! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Just curious Lake" Posted by v_p on 07:05:26 6/11/2000 How much was McCrary paid? And you know this how? Thanks... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "sally denver--From what I've read," Posted by fiddler on 21:23:23 6/10/2000 most people, including her jury, thought that Lizzie Borden was guilty, but pitied her and thought that her awful father deserved it. So they found her not guilty, and then shunned her for the rest of her life. Rough justice, I guess. I feel sorry for Patsy, but JonBenet is a victim you can't just walk away from. No justice has been done here, yet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Thanks, Fiddler but I have absolutely no" Posted by sally denver on 21:32:18 6/10/2000 sympathy for Patsy. She is the original drama queen IMHO PS Does anyone know if "lake" is really Jameson?? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "jameson?? I think the "bulldog", Susan Stein" Posted by ConnieToo on 10:45:02 6/11/2000 No one else but lakeandjamscum continue the forum war by attacking posters and the posters opinions, and seem to somehow consider themselves above reproach. I believe this mindset smacks of the RamSpinTeam. I also believe that personal attacks and opinions based strictly on what an early onset Altzheimer victim and the Ramseys have to say. The Ramseys have not been interviewed by the BPD, since their killing of their own daughter. They have spent 0 time at the BPD. The Patsy lies through her teeth about that.. disguising it with, "we've made offers...." Yeah, right. My TERMS, my polygrapher, my investigators... lake, I despise your POV, and am back in your face. Since you know "so much more" than the rest of the "beer can collecting public", I want to know your credentials and alma mater. If you are a degreed professional, I want to know if you have any law inforcement credentials. It would also be interesting to know if your degree is from the RamJam School of Psychic Training and Obfuscation. Your thought processes and snottiness give me good reason to put your posts on ignore, and eliminate you from my virtual sight. Not that it would matter. Someone else consistently posts YOUR posts on other forums. Needless to say, your "substantive" posts are met with disgust and agreement on your POV. I just laff and laff... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Don't forget...." Posted by sabrina on 16:02:10 6/11/2000 The Ramseys polygraph "expert" has his hands in the till too. Appearing on National Enquirer TV. I wonder how much he was paid??? And what about all these defense attorneys that never had a guilty client, bet they are all beating on Ed's door. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "LOL ConnieToo" Posted by Ribaldone on 10:48:48 6/11/2000 I am of the opinion that Lake is either Sue Stine, Jams, Patsy or all three. Lake's posts are generally snotty and nonsensical so I just scroll right on past them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Well, no sally denver" Posted by lake on 21:48:51 6/10/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:48:51, 6/10/2000 But you might be Donald Foster since you are so far off the mark. Try linking Jameson with dis man and you will be much closer to the truth. Now that was one sweet scam. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Speaking of dis_man" Posted by janphi on 22:29:05 6/10/2000 What happened to dis_man? I "miss" "his" "missives." "He" went to Trona to meet the Boy-kinkin and never came back. Did "he" get eaten by coyotes out in the desert? Guess that means that wascally "rascal" did, too, huh? So, what does "kinally" or "kinaldy" on the other thread have to do with MW not being "over with"? All getting too inscrutable for me, Confused-us say. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "I think" Posted by lake on 01:04:17 6/13/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 01:04:17, 6/13/2000 Dis man "went to the desert and then swung by Bakerfield" to get information on some child molestation cases that were tried there in the mid to late 80's to sort of discount some of the NJK claims that were growing legs. Not that the Kern County, Ca. cases have anything to do with the NJK claims. Of course FW has had his fair share of disinformation men and women passing through the forums. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Good godamighty." Posted by Holly on 21:52:13 6/10/2000 More windmill arms. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Steve Thomas" Posted by nana2 on 04:12:40 6/11/2000 I felt/thought ST had done a really splendid job on TV against the Rams. Even when many posters felt he didn't ask enough questions, (at least the questions they wanted answered) I thought he knew exactly what he was doing and I think this article proves that. Boy, how I wish she'd either admit it or go away. Better yet, admit it and be put away (she'd probably plead temporary insanity, due to stage four cancer) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "post script" Posted by nana2 on 04:15:18 6/11/2000 I don't remember John admitting he was awake "that" night. Just that he was there, and knew Patsy for 20 years. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "total paraphrase" Posted by Byron on 07:22:32 6/11/2000 Someone ought to reread the transcript, but... I remember an exchange when JR said 'that didn't happen', with ST saying 'how do you know, you weren't there' (Which he'd said or implyed previously), and JR saying 'yes, i was' or 'I WAS there'... something to that effect... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "from the transcript" Posted by sabrina on 07:32:36 6/11/2000 You know, this bothered me too when I typed the article up. Here is what I found in the LKL transcript: THOMAS: You weren't there, John. You can't tell. J. RAMSEY: I was there. I know Patsy. THOMAS: You were... J. RAMSEY: I've lived with her for 20 years. I know that she loved that child more than anything in the world. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Transcript" Posted by meltdown on 07:31:33 6/11/2000 KING: We're back. Our guests are John and Patsy Ramsey. Their daughter, JonBenet, was killed 3 1/2 years ago, and they're the authors of "The Death of Innocence." Steve Thomas is the former Boulder police detective originally assigned to this case. He's author of "JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation." Now, back to -- no qualms here. You're not out to get them, right? THOMAS: Absolutely not. KING: And you don't think he started out to get you, right? He believes his theory. J. RAMSEY: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) believes it, as flawed as it is. Let me ask this question. THOMAS: Well, how about the convoluted sex crimes theory? I still haven't heard that John. I had to explain my theory. Let's hear this pedophile kidnapper. J. RAMSEY: What Steve Thomas' theory is based on is that... THOMAS: You're not going to answer? J. RAMSEY: ... our child wet her bed and we slaughtered her. That is so preposterous. THOMAS: You weren't there, John. You can't tell. J. RAMSEY: I was there. I know Patsy. THOMAS: You were... J. RAMSEY: I've lived with her for 20 years. I know that she loved that child more than anything in the world. I would have given my life for JonBenet, Patsy would have given her life for JonBenet, and I'm sorry we weren't able to. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "I hate to disagree with" Posted by lecarl on 07:57:33 6/11/2000 McCrary but I don't think PR is likely to crack. I agree with McCrary in everything except this issue. She will never confess. Of course she gets flustered when asked questions she can't answer, but it doesn't mean she'll "crack" in the sense of baring her soul to the cops. There are two ways this case could be solved. First, a new prosecutor needs to gather some competent people to help him formulate a convincing story to present to the jury. The other way, which is more likely but will take longer is that someone--Burke? John? John Andrew?--will come forward and tell what they know and supply the missing pieces. I doubt it will be JR because, if he ever gets it together enough to get past his denial, he'll probably kill her. Sometimes I fantasize that someone JR trusts--Douglas, maybe?--sits him down and has a good long chat with him and is able to convince him to "see the light." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "I agree" Posted by Ribaldone on 08:42:10 6/11/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:42:10, 6/11/2000 with McCrary and posted as much the night of the interview. Under the right circumstances (alone without John or Wood), I definitely think Patsy would crack like an egg. I think she was right on the edge that night. She was nervous and scared to death (and rightfully so). I noticed a few things in the interview and when I rewatched the tape, they were very clear. Patsy became emotionally upset when Steve told her she was good for it. At one point, her chin was quivering and she was teary eyed. Then they went to break and when they came back, she was crying. She had tears in her eyes and on her cheeks, but for a change she wasn't advertising it. Usually, IF she can sqeeze out a tear, she wants everyone to see it and feel sympathy. But this time, she wasn't advertising her tears and sobbing and John's shoulder. She was very quiet about it. She was crying because she was scared to death. She tried the "tough broad/steel magnolia" approach, but that didn't work so she resorted to flirting and demeaning. In the end, nothing she did or said worked. Thomas shook her up badly. If Thomas had been alone in a room with her for an hour, she'd be history. I truly believe that. Unfortunately, no one's ever going to interview her alone. I think Thomas knew what he was doing and, for the most part, he followed his strategy. This wasn't a time for Thomas to waste air-time answering questions from the Ramseys. No one wanted to see Thomas interrogated about his theory (except Jameson's group). People tuned in to see Thomas question the Ramseys and hear the Ramsey's explanations. John just wanted Steve to recite his theory so John could attempt to find holes in it and put the focus of the interview on Steve instead of himself. Steve successfully avoided letting this happen. There were some points that weren't made, and some that could or should have been, but considering the circumstances -- live on national TV with John and Patsy badgering and interrupting every second -- Thomas did an excellent job. He got sidetracked a couple of times, but overall he did a great job. He made the Ramseys to look VERY VERY BAD. Can't ask for much more than than from one ex-detective on national TV with millions of people watching. I'm sure if this had been done one-on-one in an interrogation room, Patsy would be in jail right now (or out on bail). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Agree" Posted by sabrina on 09:38:44 6/11/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:38:44, 6/11/2000 I agree with Ribaldone 100%, except I also think both Rams were baiting Steve Thomas to say things they could later use in a lawsuit against him. I noticed this right away and I think Chuck Green stated it on Boyles the following day. Steve was very careful to say "my hypothesis" , "my theory" etc. so it didn't work. Patsy is a very poor actress in spite of all her achievements in the Miss West Virginia dramatic reading contests. I think McCrary is right on the money. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Ribaldone" Posted by momo on 09:24:16 6/11/2000 I couldn't have said it any better. I love your posts btw. I think the only way that Patsy would crack under the pressure is if John is not there. It wouldn't matter where it might be. If the interview is tough enough she would most likely crack. What will make her break is the fact that she will not be able to charm her way and put on a good show to someone who can see past all of that. That in and of itself is what makes Patsy upset. She breaks down when someone isn't charmed by her. It snaps her into reality, a place she hates to be. And we don't want to go there now, do we? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "..." Posted by Byron on 08:47:07 6/11/2000 If Thomas had been alone in a room with her for an hour, she'd be history. I truly believe that. I agree. That's what they're soooo scared of. Somehow getting PR alone with qualified interrogators. It would be over quickly IMO. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "burke" Posted by marlaon on 09:34:51 6/11/2000 Justice for JB. She was abused by everyone. Why would John and phatsy act this way? One reason. The staging was to cover Johns butt for earlier wrongs to the baby. Burke was mistreated and felt she was the catalist. The puzzel fits. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL marlaon ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Byron" Posted by momo on 09:26:08 6/11/2000 It would be all over with but the crying. Thomas was coming close, but John saved her once again. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Momo/Sabrina" Posted by Ribaldone on 09:48:18 6/11/2000 "What will make her break is the fact that she will not be able to charm her way and put on a good show to someone who can see past all of that. That in and of itself is what makes Patsy upset. She breaks down when someone isn't charmed by her. It snaps her into reality, a place she hates to be. And we don't want to go there now, do we?" Momo, YOU ARE CORRECT SIR (or ma'am)! (I'm sounding like Phil Hartman's inpersonation of Ed McMahon). Seriously though, you have hit the nail on the head with that comment. Patsy always expects to get her way through charm, manipulation or just plain bullying. When it doesn't happen, she seems to get very frustrated and emotional. Thanks for your nice compliment btw! Sabrina, you are also right on about Steve Thomas not falling into their traps. I'm sure he could see right through John's feable attempt at baiting him. Plus I'm sure he expected it. Either way, he did an excellent job avoiding the traps. BTW, my favorite was the "would you kill your dog" trap. This one was so ridiculous that it fell right back on the Ramseys' lap and made them look like the insensitive, uncaring creeps that they are! Not only are they insensitive, they are pretty damn stupid, IMO. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "she'd crack" Posted by Nandee on 09:42:01 6/11/2000 No question she would crack. If they got into the abuse questions, she would spill her guts. I thin Patsy feels guily for "sexualizing" her child. I think it's interesting that the inscription on JB's headstone says: LOVE, PURITY, JOY....... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Yeah, Nandee....." Posted by La Contessa on 12:19:05 6/13/2000 Why carve "Purity" on the gravestone of a six year old child? Wouldn't that be understood? Why emphasize it? Of all the words the Rams could have chosen, why that one? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Mcrary's reputation?" Posted by Texan on 10:06:49 6/11/2000 Who can point a finger at him? At least he hasn't taken dirty money from murderers like someone else has,IMO. Did Mcrary take money from the tabloid for his statement? Who knows the answer? I only know that it is unethical for a profiler to work for suspects. They are only supposed to work for law enforcement agencies. Knowing this and not knowing if Mcrary took money from the tabs which would you say was unethical, Lake, Douglas or Mcrary? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "The part on the headstone" Posted by momo on 10:03:10 6/11/2000 that has always bothered me is "purity". Why in Gods name would John and Patsy decide that? One reason and one reason only. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Greg McCrary rocks!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 11:25:04 6/11/2000 He is an ethical decent man who knows his business very, very well. He is spot on in his assessment of Patsy. Steve Thomas definitely had and held the upper hand in the LKL debate. He made John Ramsey look like the insufferable a**hole that he is, and he made Patsy look like...well...a baby-killer. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Ramseys weren't along onstage" Posted by MJenn on 15:55:48 6/11/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:55:48, 6/11/2000 (That subject heading should say "alone," not along. God, I can't type!) An Atlanta paralegal I know says that on LKL with Steve Thomas, the Ramseys had a lawyer and two body guards just out of camera range behind them. That would be facing Steve. This is just gossip I heard, but it wouldn't surprise me. I actually expected John Ramsey to need restraints when I saw how close they all were sitting and how angry John was at Steve. I've said it before, it's shocking how mad they get at everyone but the killer. Is this Susan Stein ya'll talk about the same one the Ramseys stayed with, who moved to Atlanta with her husband (who had been a V.P. at C.U. in Boulder) and has a son the same age as Burke? I'm asking because I'm interested in why these people just abandoned their lives in Boulder to follow the Ramseys. John even gave Mr. Stein a job at Access, I've read. If I were looking for a suspect who was jealous of me.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "You know, MJenn" Posted by janphi on 10:34:24 6/12/2000 PR told some little sob story in one of the faux interviews for the "book" tour that was supposed to make people "feel her pain." It went something like--do you know how horrible it is to be under the umbrella of suspicion? The way the media has portrayed us, I am so surprised that only 85% of the country thinks we're guilty of slaughtering our daughter--I would have thought it was more like 100%!! You know, shortly after we moved to Atlanta, Burke asked a little friend of his to come stay for a week with us in Charlevoix and I was shocked when the answer was yes. I called up the parents and said, "Are you sure? Are you sure you want your child to go away with the Ramseys?" And do you know what the parent said? She just laughed and said that we were so nice, she didn't believe any of that or even listen to it. Well, first of all, why in God's name would Patsy cast aspersions on "her own self" like that? Oh duh, maybe the mom forgot she was Patsy Ramsey, the famous falsely accused murderess. Second of all, if it happened, which I'm sure it didn't, why on earth repeat something like that on national TV? Egads, woman! And last but not least--again, IF this little scenario happened in real life and not in PR's brain, who do you think that little friend might have been and who do you think the "mom" was that she talked to about it? SS, of course. How sickeningly juvenile. Would like it better if Burke said, no, mom, I don't think it's a good idea to invite any of my friends to Michigan with us. After all....I don't want to go with you either! (As witnessed later in Foat Wuth, Texas, at a certain prayer meeting!) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Phrasing...." Posted by La Contessa on 12:25:50 6/13/2000 Why do the Ramseys persist in using the word "slaughter" to describe JBR's murder. She was murdered but she certainly wasn't SLAUGHTERED! Just another ploy, on the Rams' part, to make it seem, to those not on this forum, that the NICE Ramseys couldn't POSSIBLY have killed their kid. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Janphi" Posted by MJenn on 15:42:10 6/12/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:42:10, 6/12/2000 Maybe that's it. Maybe John gave Mr. Stine a high paying job and they stayed with the Stines so Burke would have a friend. It still doesn't make a lot of sense. If someone's child had been viciously murdered in their home, even if I didn't think that the parents were involved I sure wouldn't send my child with them anywhere. That old intruder might show up any time, you know. Unless I wanted to get rid of my own kid. Or if I knew who killed the child. What alibis do the Stines have? Wonder if their son was in the same scout troop as Burke? Had he ever made or seen a garotte like was found on JonBenet? Come to think of it, why would the Stines let the targets of a vicious killer live with them immediately after it happened? Even with body guards, it still seems a bit sacrificial for the Stines to endanger the life of their own son when the Ramseys could well afford to take care of themselves. And they weren't even close friends, according to John. Strange. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "McCrary's right" Posted by Ginja on 17:23:02 6/11/2000 The problem is getting the two separated in different rooms with the cops! I don't think it would have worked..actually, I'm sure it wouldn't have back when Thomas was on the payroll. They wouldn't have talked and there'd be no cracking. But now it's a different ballgame. As far as the Rams are concerned, they're home free. As their latest dallying shows, they aren't going back to Boulder to answer police questions. They'll only go if they can bring their entourage and everyone sits in a room together to share info. IOW, the Rams are on a fishing expedition! However...I see light at the end of the tunnel. I don't see what's wrong with the police arresting them now. This would catch them completely off guard and they'd rattle. How loud? I don't know. But it would sure as hell scare them. That's the whole problem with these two is that the cops haven't been able to get them into the office, let alone separate them. If I were Beckner, I'd agree to their terms. Let them come to Boulder with their entourage. Share some info...that is, let the Rams speak up first and share what they've got. Play along with them. Then excuse themselves and leave the room. (the cops). And when they return, arrest them! Send the entourage packing and put the happy couple in separate rooms. Sure, their lawyers would be there and would keep them quiet. But two things stand out this time that they didn't have before. 1. Their confidence would hit a new low, and 2. their representation is a civil litigator, not a criminal defense attorney. The cops have 48 hours. Wood would have to go home eventually and leave John and Patsy alone in separate holding cells. It's time the BPD got bold and starting calling these two's bluff! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Ginja....I Like It" Posted by La Contessa on 12:31:17 6/13/2000 I wouldn't give the Rams a chance to contact their lawyers, however. I'd cuff them at the airport as they were disembarking. Slap them into separate interrogation rooms and let the games begin. It's about time SOMEONE played hardball with the Ramseys. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Wow, Ginja" Posted by MJenn on 17:31:53 6/11/2000 I'm voting for you! That's as good a plan as I've heard yet. Lin Wood would pass out. He's mostly for looks, anyway. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Got a question..." Posted by zoomama on 17:18:31 6/11/2000 that sort of goes along with this thread. What was the subject matter during PR interview witth BPD when she uttered that famous "Don't go there, Pal"? Was it something to do with Burke as the killa or something else entirely. Also Sally Denver I agree with your #6 post. Thanks for writing that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "MJ" Posted by Edie Pratt on 17:15:50 6/11/2000 that is the $118,000 question. I have to think the Stine's lives were either seriously stale, or in flux to begin with. Who just up and moves from a town they have no doubt worked very hard to set roots in? Not to mention JR's characterization of their relationship as "casual acquaintances", pre murder. Why is it a murder of a six year old girl is what it takes for the Stine's to grow close? To go from a crummy gift basket recipient to a member of the Whack Pack, just seems weird. I'm sure there's much more to it than they were "ready for a change", lol. I think the police should look long and hard at the Stines, too. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Edie" Posted by momo on 12:32:44 6/12/2000 The Ramsey's probably picked up the tab on a nice house for the Stine's. Patsy needed SS and she insisted John pay to help them move and settle into a comfortable home. SS is Patsy's partner in crime and that would be harder if the Stine's lived in CO now wouldn't it? LOL The Ramsey's didn't even consider the Stine's that good of friends before JonBenet's murder. I really don't understand it but Patsy really has no other friends other than hir. Go figure that one out. LOL Poor Patsy. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Edie, I love it!!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 10:15:27 6/12/2000 The Whack Pack! Let's see how long it takes Boyles to pick up on this one! He gets all of his witty sayings from us. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "The Whack Pack!" Posted by MJenn on 17:28:21 6/11/2000 Now, that's my kinda crowd! I wanna' join! What do I do to get in? I don't live too far from Atlanta. I need a job, too! I could be psychic. I've never tried, but hey, I've got a gypsy dress and I could order a crystal ball on the internet. Or do you think a pastel suit and speaking in tongues would work better? One question: do you have to be certified whacked, or will a few personal references do? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "I don't think either will ever crack" Posted by Starling on 13:05:02 6/12/2000 The only thing that has ever cracked in this case was JonBenet's skull. And it was one lucky blow for her murderer. Had it broke the skin and blood went pouring from the wound, I highly doubt we'd be sitting here today. Patsy Ramsey - this is one sick woman. Her judgement is so clouded that she once spoke publically that it was okay to dress JonBenet in those skimpy little outfits for the pageants, after all it was no different than the skimpy little outfits iceskaters wear. She wants everyone to believe she is this professed, devout christian woman. She uses her Bible when it's convenient to do so - but their latest revival of Sketchman is a definate no-no to real christians. The bible calls psychics etc. "sorcerers" and they are taboo to real christians! Patsy Ramsey is a fake! John Ramsey - total creep and liar! He used money to hide his entire bloodline and both wives from cooperating with the authorities for as long as he possibly could. Money talks and John Ramsey walks! That is John Ramsey. "I was there." John Ramsey They should have cuffed him for that remark alone. Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Starling, Darling" Posted by La Contessa on 12:37:23 6/13/2000 But JonBenet WASN'T iceskating, swimming, performing gymnastics or cheerleading. She was bumping and grinding for the pageant judges. And she started at the ripe, old age of FOUR!! Nedra, Pam and Patsy should be horsewhipped. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. ""I was there"" Posted by MJenn on 15:53:43 6/12/2000 Yeah, John was so hot to trump Steve Thomas he admitted it, didn't he. That seemed to fly right past most people, but it sounded like a confession to me. ONE problem: Alex Hunter. He'd no more arrest a Ramsey than he'd admit Thomas showed him for the intestinal blockage he is. The Ramseys could produce and star in a "How to Get Away With Murder" video, including techniques of strangulation, and Hunter would still look the other way, and they know it, he knows it, and so do we. It's really just a sideshow at this point. Psychic drawings, indeed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "MJenn......." Posted by La Contessa on 12:39:56 6/13/2000 Alex Hunter...."an intestinal blockage." Oh MARVELOUS!! Brava, Senora!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Larry King baited Patsy about her mental state - IT WORKED" Posted by CommonSense on 11:38:41 6/13/2000 From the Larry King show: KING: If you didn't do this -- Patsy, if you didn't do this, you're out of your mind -- you must be going out of your mind no matter what. P. RAMSEY: I am not going out of my mind, no matter what. . . . . . Was she trying to convince King or herself? King is right "you're out of your mind" Patsy! King made Patsy look like a fool and she took the bait and became defensive about her mental state. Patsy knows in her heart that she's on the edge of madness. I think that King was hoping to push her over. Her response shows that she's so worried about this issue that she can't maintain her composure. The Globe picks up where King left off. Patsy seems to going made right before the public's eye! Stay in the spotlight Patsy. We're all loving the show! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Ginja..." Posted by shadow on 13:00:42 6/13/2000 What would the charge be if you arrested the Ramseys? Just wondering... I'm of the opinion that half of Boulder can be charged with Obstruction of Justice! BTW, didn't I read somewhere that Susan Stine's husband got a Master's Degree from the University of North Carolina? shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "shadow...The Charge" Posted by La Contessa on 15:48:06 6/13/2000 Suspicion of murder. How's that? The charge wouldn't matter. Anything that would get them onto separate hot seats would do. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "ewwww LaContessa" Posted by v_p on 15:56:54 6/13/2000 >>Nedra, Pam and Patsy should be horsewhipped.<<< I shiver to think of the pleasure those three would derive from such "punishment." I keep hearing the sounds from the Herbal Essence commercials magnified x 3....ewwwwwwww. :) V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Horsewhipping, S & M" Posted by MJenn on 21:41:24 6/13/2000 I keep getting to this idea, too. Don't they play sadistic games and use things like STRANGULATION in S & M? I could go on with this theory, but it might make me sick. Or get me thrown off the forum. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]