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ANOTHER Abuse Survivor & Child Pornocrats may tie to JB, Brightlight, 16:32:38, 7/09/2000 Conspiracy Theories, straykat2, 17:07:44, 7/09/2000, (#1) Brightlight, after reading this article, seenal, 18:41:11, 7/09/2000, (#2) Seenal, straykat2, 18:42:55, 7/09/2000, (#3) Anything Is Possible..., johnlin, 18:44:18, 7/09/2000, (#4) hmmmm ..., Gemini, 19:58:54, 7/09/2000, (#5) John's words..., v_p, 20:24:38, 7/09/2000, (#6) v_p, Holly, 21:00:24, 7/09/2000, (#8) V_P, Luvsa Mystery, 01:33:18, 7/10/2000, (#9) Gem, Nandee, 20:29:52, 7/09/2000, (#7) simple questions, pinker, 05:16:58, 7/10/2000, (#10) Well, Pinker, there supposedly, sds, 05:25:30, 7/10/2000, (#11) SDS, ericasf, 07:36:08, 7/10/2000, (#14) JR's records, Chickadee, 07:11:09, 7/10/2000, (#12) Phone Records, MsPlum, 07:29:59, 7/10/2000, (#13) Ms. Plum, I want to know the answer that, seenal, 11:48:21, 7/10/2000, (#16) Hummmm??, shadow, 10:53:00, 7/10/2000, (#15) OOh, Shadow,, gaiabetsy, 13:33:22, 7/10/2000, (#17) Betsy..., shadow, 14:33:02, 7/10/2000, (#18) Shadow,, gaiabetsy, 16:18:32, 7/10/2000, (#19) Those cell phone records, pinker, 18:01:38, 7/10/2000, (#20) University of Denver???? , seenal, 17:33:22, 7/12/2000, (#21) ................................................................... "ANOTHER Abuse Survivor & Child Pornocrats may tie to JB" Posted by Brightlight on 16:32:38 7/09/2000 From: The Jon Benet Ramsey Case: Emerging Child Sex-Ring Allegations, Political Connections and a Suspect By Alex Constantine Introduction: The Belinda Schultz file On March 22, I received a call from Joe Calhoun, a reporter from the Denver area and a recipient of an Academy Award in 1990 for his investigative work on The Panama Deception. For the record, we had talked once before, also by telephone, about the JonBenet Ramsey case, exchanged observations, and that was the extent of my past relationship with him. At the time, I had an uncomfortable feeling that Boulder police spokesmen, the cable martinets and investigative "experts" on the case were misrepresenting the facts. Calhoun was in town, Los Angeles, and wanted to discuss the murder in detail. Shortly thereafter, Calhoun, with the bearded, wide-eyed demeanor of an academic on the brink of a discovery, dropped a folder on my desk. For this record, he read a prepared statement: "I am a freelance journalist who has been covering the JonBenet Ramsey case since its beginnings. There are only a few news conferences in Boulder that I have not attended. At the last news conference, on October 13, 1999, the day after the announcement by Alex Hunter that there would be no charges filed in the Ramsey case following the adjournment of the Grand Jury, myself and a few individuals were given a file." I was, at this stage, stepping more or less blindly into a quagmire of details after three years of following the public debacle casually on the cable talk shows. Whatever Calhoun had, I was not in the mood for conspiratorial moonshine, but he had been down this road himself, the file, containing 23 pages of interviews with a victim of organized child abuse in Colorado and Texas, "was of such a bizarre nature, I was extremely circumspect about regarding it as a collection of genuine documents and confidential memos. I jokingly referred to it to some of my colleagues as The Blair Witch Project of the JonBenet Ramsey case.š I didnšt pursue any of the leads mentioned in the file until recently. Three weeks ago," Calhoun recalled, "a 37-year-old woman from San Luis Obispo, California came forward with information to Boulder Attorney Lee Hill. She alleged that she came from a family of inter-generational child abuse victims, and had been abused since the age of three by a powerful group of pedophiles, some of whom were associates of the Ramsey family. I dug up the file I had originally obtained in October and decided to give it a second look, since the information contained therein seemed to parallel the information the woman was providing Boulder D.A. Alex Hunter and the police. Upon rereading all of the information contained in it, and cross-referencing names, the entire file had more of a flow of information." Calhoun came to entertain the notion that the sex-ring allegations surfacing sporadically on the edge of the case might have some merit. "On March 21, I contacted the Pearline, Texas Police Department for verification of the Paul Schultz [child sexual abuse] case mentioned in the file. I was immediately transferred to Detective Bill Colson,. He was unaware of the recent developments in Boulder concerning the 37-year-old woman from San Luis Obispo, California. However, Detective Colson confirmed the following: The case number '951302,' on pages 7 and 14, is genuine, and the woman, Belinda Schultz, currently living in Cypress, Texas, in a notarized statement contained in the file, at the time would [have been] more likely to give information concerning the Ramsey case. And a Boulder detective was in Texas in December, 1997, seeking information regarding Paul Schultz [her estranged husband] and his involvement, if any, in the JonBenet Ramsey case." Calhoun placed the next call to a private investigator, Char Blaiser, wife of O.J. Simpson attorney Robert Blaiser, at her office in Sacramento, California. Ms Blasier, whose office had been contracted by Boulder police to obtain social security numbers of everyone close to the Ramsey case, reportedly states that the night after the JonBenet murder, a caller claiming to be a member of the Ramsey family told her, "I want to talk to you about Paul," but disconnected when put on hold. Blasier, Calhoun recalls, "was extremely surprised that I had information in my possession concerning Paul Schultz, and essentially confirmed the information regarding the JonBenet Ramsey case." "It is clear," Calhoun says, "from the statements of both Detective Colson and Char Blazer that the Boulder authorities were very interested in a connection between the death of Jonbenet Ramsey and what appears astonishingly to be organized pedophilia on a national level, perhaps with a criminal government license."1 Child sex and pornography rings with political ties have been known to exist. In 1995, for example, Linda Rozar, president of Concerned Citizens for Florida and chapter head of the American Family Association, a branch of presidential candidate Gary Bauer's ultra-conservative Federation, pled guilty to one count of child abuse and two counts of tampering with a witness. She received a remarkably light sentence, one year of probation, and was ordered to see a psychiatrist. In 1986, Linda's husband Jerry Rozar was convicted of child molestation. So there were precedents. And since the murder, the 1999 Parent of the Year Award, an honor conceived by Congress, was bestowed on a Longmont, Colorado man with connections to a cult that prostitutes young girls, so-called "hookers for Jesus," and has been charged repeatedly with child sexual abuse, the annual honor was chosen by the National Parents Day Foundation, an organization that has ties to the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church, a creation of the Korean CIA and also very right-wing. It happens. Nevertheless, a healthy dose of skepticism was called for. Calhoun's conclusion about the background of the JonBenet case was based, again, on a file of police interviews passed to him at a Boulder press conference. Fortunately, its origin is no longer a mystery. Calhoun has, since obtaining the file, found out that the documents were supplied by a researcher at the University of Denver. The University, says Calhoun, threatened to fire the tenured faculty member if he continued with his investigation of the Ramsey case, and the file was passed along to reporters in Boulder. If the statements of Belinda Schultz and other abuse survivors are correct, Boulder has a serious problem. With Calhounšs file of leaked affidavits, all that remained was to flesh out a Whošs Who register of predators tied to the alleged killer of JonBenet Ramsey in 1996. See article at: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/archive4,24,4,29,00.htm#1) Southwestern Child-Pornocrats [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Conspiracy Theories" Posted by straykat2 on 17:07:44 7/09/2000 Is Joe Calhoun related to Patricia Calhoun, Editor of Denver's Westword? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Brightlight, after reading this article" Posted by seenal on 18:41:11 7/09/2000 you have to sit back and think about all of the evidence and the actions of the DA. For the life of me, and others following this case, why is it Hunter will not subpeona phone records????? and why does his staff continue to sabotage the investigation and stonewall the BPD??? Child pornography = corruption + cover-up Thanks for the link to the article. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Seenal" Posted by straykat2 on 18:42:55 7/09/2000 Ask Ginja. LOL! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Anything Is Possible..." Posted by johnlin on 18:52:05 7/09/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:52:05, 7/09/2000 ...concerning the connections of possible organized porn & JonBenet's death; in fact, I find it more likely than Patsy's going ballistic over a wet bed. The blood-guilt is on their hands directly, but extraneous or overt connection with these groups is entirely possible given the well-written political / governmental ties. Lockheed-Martin is no Joe's Hardware. It is very powerful, has mucho government contracts and clearances; and is fully connected to our CIA. John Ramsey as CEO of Access Graphics, merged into Lockheed-Martin, has to be an individual who has MUCH knowledge. Do you REALLY believe his statement that he didn't even know where to rent (or purchase) an X-rated video in the Boulder area? I find that statement alone very telling! Even the most truly devout people of faith know darn well where these are. Keep us informed; although the majority here feel this was confined to the occupants of the HellHole solely, the possiblity that JonBenet was exposed to a 'higher' level of abuse that was just underway is not inconsistent with this theory. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "hmmmm ..." Posted by Gemini on 19:58:54 7/09/2000 What's all this about not subpoenaing phone records? Supposedly, one reason the case went to GJ was for the very purpose of subpoenaing records. Do any of us know the phone records were not among those acquired while the jury was seated? If so, how do we know that (now that would be very interesting)? If we have no way of knowing, what's the reason for (purpose of) assuming they were not? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "John's words..." Posted by v_p on 20:24:38 7/09/2000 What in our background would make you think we would ever do anything like this? (not verbatim) >>And since the murder, the 1999 Parent of the Year Award, an honor conceived by Congress, was bestowed on a Longmont, Colorado man with connections to a cult that prostitutes young girls, so-called "hookers for Jesus," and has been charged repeatedly with child sexual abuse, the annual honor was chosen by the National Parents Day Foundation, an organization that has ties to the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church, a creation of the Korean CIA and also very right-wing.<< I would say to JR, what in this man's past would lead them to believe he deserved the "Parent Of The Year Award?" Things are not always what they seem. V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "v_p" Posted by Holly on 21:00:24 7/09/2000 That's the truth... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "V_P" Posted by Luvsa Mystery on 01:33:18 7/10/2000 "Hookers for Jesus?" What demon dreamed that up? Now I think I've heard it all. *sigh* [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Gem" Posted by Nandee on 20:29:52 7/09/2000 My question to Steve Thomas: [crimeADM] Did the Ramseys call anybody BEFORE they called 911? Steve's answer: [SteveThomas] great quesiton, and one that I had -- toll records, phone records, are so simple and Police - 101. But for some reason i couldnt make that any clearer to Hutner/Demuth/Hofstrom in order to obatin those - elementary warrants. And since the "small foreign faciton" were going to sue a telelphone to make the contact, - the warrant would have been easy to obtain, thorugh the nexus. But once again, when I left the invesitgaiton, - records still had not been obtained. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "simple questions" Posted by pinker on 05:16:58 7/10/2000 Geeze, I tossed and turned all night after reading that, or maybe it was 2 liter bottle of diet coke? Why was that rich Texan not able to broker his way out of the pokey? He certainly would have had serious political connections if real estate made the fortune. The abuse survivor's parents cooperated and or participated in the abuse to the extent that they themselves are guilty of the abuse-this takes no responsibility away from J&P. Is that why they've never uttered a word about MW? I'm not satisfied with the footnoted source for the FBI warning about keeping their distance from the crime. Why are they so determined and involved now? I hadn't heard there were pornographic pictures of JBR. Many do interpret the pageant photos in those risque outfits as soft porn. I hope there aren't other worse photos. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Well, Pinker, there supposedly" Posted by sds on 05:25:30 7/10/2000 was a nude picture of jbr with a feather boa wrapped around her in the bedroom of their Charlevoux home. Nobody has been able to find anything else. Or if there was any other pictures, I'm sure that they were destroyed on the night of the murder. I have never been able to figure out why phone records weren't supeoned immediately. It sounds like there were things that Hunter didn't want to know, or perhaps already knew. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "SDS" Posted by ericasf on 07:36:08 7/10/2000 Well, where did you hear about the picture of JBR? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "JR's records" Posted by Chickadee on 07:11:09 7/10/2000 It was my understanding that it was John's cell-phone records that couldn't be obtained. Does that ring a bell with anyone? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Phone Records" Posted by MsPlum on 07:29:59 7/10/2000 According to Steve Thomas's book, phone records were finally received by the BPD for the Dec. 26 day only. Both land line and cell phone records. The trouble was that when they got the cell phone records it showed NO CALLS made in the month of December, however there was heavy activity in the previous months showing that JR did make a habit of using his cellphone. So the questions are: why were they allowed only the one day of land line phone records and were did the December activity for the cell phone records go?? Regarding the cell phone, either JR used a different cell phone service for that month that the authorities are unaware of, or the cell phone records were destroyed by somebody inside who may be connected to the crime. It is just rediculous to think that the CEO of a large corporation would not use his cell phone for an entire month. Ms. Plum [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Ms. Plum, I want to know the answer that" Posted by seenal on 11:48:21 7/10/2000 question myself!!! (((So the questions are: why were they allowed only the one day of land line phone records and were did the December activity for the cell phone records go??))) Wonder why Hunter and his cronies will not authorize a sub-poena for something so elementary. I mean it was an inside job, the parents want to prove their innocence, they so desperately want to find the killa, whats wrong with supplying those records to the authorities? etc...etc...etc... There are a thousands of unanswered questions, and for some reason Hunter and Co., dont wont to find the answers, or they know the answers and dont want it to come out. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Hummmm??" Posted by shadow on 10:53:00 7/10/2000 After reading this article twice, it is obvious to me that the author(s) have an agenda that includes "nailing" to the wall "right-wing" and "conservative" Republicans. While it may contain elements of truth, it's very difficult to distinguish the truth from the BS because all kinds of allegations are made with not one crumb of substantiation (the "footnotes" are laughable). I'm really not sure how much of this report I should place any confidence in when I know some is simply wrong - for example, "Notification of the FBI in a murder case involving terrorists is mandatory, and officers in Boulder did contact Washington. But the Bureau did not respond." This just ain't true! Number one... the FBI was notified that there was a kidnapping, and were already "involved" when the body was found! Number two... they, of course, did respond! And, "Freed reports that someone in a lofty position assured the FBI and Lockheed Martin Security "prior to the 911 call that any report coming from Boulder "would not affect 'national security,'" and directed to "let the police handle it." I await some crumb of substantiation for this revelation!! There may be sexual abuse involved in the death of JBR, but this article strains credibility - what about the "liberal" democrats (Haddon, Hunter, previous Gov, etc) intimately involved in the case? shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "OOh, Shadow," Posted by gaiabetsy on 13:33:22 7/10/2000 I couldn't agree with you more. Look, I'm a liberal married to a libertarian. Go figure. Deal is, I don't believe for one minute the FBI was left out of this case, and even if (by some strange, and I mean strange) coincidence, they were, they caught up mighty fast. It's rediculous to assume these guys didn't do their job - and a fine job, I'm pretty sure, [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Betsy..." Posted by shadow on 14:33:02 7/10/2000 We agree... I may be niave but I don't believe the FBI or Justice Dept has been (or is) involved in a conspiracy as relates to the death of JBR. I believe that they have done all that was asked of them in this case - in fact, probably more than they were asked. I also believe that if there is one grain of truth to the "international" sex and porn allegations that have surfaced, arrests will be made and people prosecuted. It is indeed unfortunate that the FBI (for whatever reasons) didn't arrive at the Ramsey house when the BPD did - it is unfortunate that the FBI wasn't there with LA when she sent JR and FW to check the house - and it is unfortunate that in the first, very important, hours (and days) of the investigation someone high-up didn't want the FBI's help. It is also unfortunate that the FBI didn't just accept the "note" at face value (a terrorist attack on a defense contractor) and take-over the case. Oh well, crying over spilled milk and all that... shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Shadow," Posted by gaiabetsy on 16:18:32 7/10/2000 goodness gracious, kiddo, I get so tired of connecting with people I can't do anything but agree with. Yet, you are so gracious and intelligent with your explanations. I really admire intelligence, yet I gotta tell ya I've always been parial to the unusual winner. Let's face it, you and Zorro certainly do qualify. May I appeal upon your mercy? Hey, you won, after a mighty fight. What does it take to make us collaborators? Please specify. My humble apologies, Flornce Elizabeth Cochran (OK,so there's a lot of Scotts in my famiy). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Those cell phone records" Posted by pinker on 18:01:38 7/10/2000 are really bothersome aren't they? Totally blank, not a single call in Dec. and well used in previous billing cycles. Could JR have developed laryngytis from having to live and fight with some bitch that's crazy? Who could be hurt if it had been revealed they had been called that morning? Why the office of AH comes to mind, no it would have just been a recording that early. Well perhaps J&P pulled out their handy, and I'm sure well worn church directory and called that church friend who happened to work in the DA's office. I don't remember if it's De whats his name or Hoff what ever. I get those dwarfs mixed up all the time. That's where I'd bet my money. The second piece of the story is to find out who has the authority or just ability to 'erase' the bill. Probably lots of people in lower customer service type jobs who'd jump at the chance to earn a little extra loot. I hope my imagination hasn't gotten the best of me. Shadow and gaiabetsy-I want to join your club. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "University of Denver???? " Posted by seenal on 17:33:22 7/12/2000 Is this university affiliated with the University of Colorado, more than likely yes. I read in the Rams book that Glen Stine is a Harvard PhD and the CFO of the University of Colorado. This is a strange coinicidence, just one more thing to add to the pot. Now, why was this faculty member told to quit investigating this case? Was he doing it on University time? Was he getting to close to the truth about something? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE