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Askme.com, sabrina, 10:42:42, 7/09/2000 ACK, Anderson, 10:51:50, 7/09/2000, (#1) Definition of garrote from Gurunet.com, Dunvegan, 13:07:33, 7/09/2000, (#4) Askme, fran, 12:27:28, 7/09/2000, (#2) Fran, Anderson, 12:31:11, 7/09/2000, (#3) You're Right, Anderson!, shadow, 08:35:17, 7/10/2000, (#5) Thanks, starry, 08:58:42, 7/10/2000, (#6) jameson245's AskMe.com Bio, Dunvegan, 09:06:34, 7/10/2000, (#7) Ah, come on,, Watching you, 09:15:33, 7/10/2000, (#8) Here's Jams AskMe.com Expert Bio Link, Dunvegan, 10:42:55, 7/10/2000, (#9) Thanks, Dunvegan, Watching you, 10:53:52, 7/10/2000, (#10) Haha, Watching you, 10:57:15, 7/10/2000, (#11) Hey RUTHEE!, Cutter, 12:09:47, 7/10/2000, (#14) from askme.com, Nandee, 11:52:19, 7/10/2000, (#13) WY, starry, 11:50:02, 7/10/2000, (#12) Anderson--you're right, it wasn't, fiddler, 16:39:51, 7/10/2000, (#15) askme.com, sabrina, 17:37:03, 7/10/2000, (#16) Hir "expertise?", v_p, 18:08:33, 7/10/2000, (#17) v_p, starry, 18:14:35, 7/10/2000, (#18) By the way..., Dunvegan, 19:47:07, 7/16/2000, (#19) What a Trip!, canadiana, 22:03:47, 7/16/2000, (#20) ................................................................... "Askme.com" Posted by sabrina on 21:41:19 7/09/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:41:19, 7/09/2000 Just found this website. There are some Ramsey questions and answers with experts. (hehe I asked some today) Here is an excellent response from a prosecutor with 12 years experience. What is your opinion of the Ramsey case? Do you think there will ever be an indictment? xxxxxxx gave this response on 7/9/2000: When the Ramsey case occurred, I was having lunch with a group of fellow prosecutors. One joked that he knew the parents did it because the note said "please return my daughter-oops, I mean JonBenet." Many of my homicide detective friends watched the parents on TV and believed they were guilty from the way they came across, just as they had immediately pegged Susan Smith as the killer of her children when she was imploring people to help find their kidnapper. I have read all books and articles on the subject and followed the case closely. I am in agreement with Detective Steve Thomas in his book "JonBenet." JonBenet was six years old, but still wetting and defecating in her bed. It is Det. Thomas's belief, and the evidence supports this theory, that Patsy was changing JonBenet's clothes and cracked her head in the bathroom on a hard surface. This was possible cause of death #1. JonBenet had duct tape placed over her mouth with a perfect lip impression. She was not moving. 4 fibers from Patsy's jacket were recovered from the tape. A broken paintbrush from Patsy's art supplies was used to twist a wire garrote around JonBenet's neck (possible cause of death #2) A splinter from the paintbrush was inserted in the child's vagina. Experts felt there had possible been ongoing non-sexual abuse, more like disciplinary abuse, of the vagina. The first detectives to arrive on the scene did not secure the house and mucked up the crime scene's evidence. Parents were allowed to walk around in the house and John "found" JonBenet, carrying her away from his body and up the stairs where both parents threw themselves onto her body, causing possible fiber contamination. After doing tests, it was determined that John could not see JonBenet from the position he was in when he cried "There she is!" It is thought he discovered her earlier, during the time they were waiting for the kidnappers to call, and made his choice then to protect Patsy. They have never cooperated with police, demanding ridiculous conditions before interviews and the current passing of the lie detector test by a tester of their choosing is worthless. OJ could probably pass a lie detector test now. This leaves us with the best piece of evidence: The "War and Peace" ransom note. The top expert in handwriting in this country pegged Patsy as the sol author. He originally sent the Ramsey's a letter stating he believed they were innocent, but changed his mind after examining the note. Killers and kidnappers do not operate in a manner such as this. They write brief notes. If they kill, they don't hide the body with her favorite nightie and toy next to it. They would've displayed her under the Christmas tree. Those who espouse the "intruder theory" have scant logical evidence to present. They just don't want to believe parents kill their children- they do, and every day. My husband, who is also a prosecutor, and I believe that they should indict and charge Patsy and see what happens from there. We would go to trial on what they have. The Boulder DA and PD did not take aggressive and necessary action. They didn't get essential phone records or wiretap the Ramsey house to gain more evidence. They blew a lot of things. The Grand Jury was only presented with evidence from a DA investigator who believes an intruder killed JonBenet. What good was that? I feel very strongly about this case and hope someone has the guts to do the right thing. Whether that will occur at this time seems unlikely. Edited to add you can get opinions on just about everything from this site from "experts"!! I just spent 3 hours looking at it. Well worth it. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "ACK" Posted by Anderson on 10:51:50 7/09/2000 A WIRE GAROTTE??? What the 'ell? I'm just going to copy and past a post I made on another forum last night concerning the garotte business here: The rope used to strangle JonBenet was NOT an actual garrotte. Take the definition of garrotte from the dictionary of difficult words --- v.t. strangle; execute by strangling: n. killing by strangling. The media picked up on the term garrotte and it spread like wildfire. It would be correct to say that JonBenet was garrotted to death, but a garrotte wasn't used to strangle her. Take a look at the information on this web page to see an actual garrotte and I think you may understand the meaning of the word and it's origin. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6142/garrotte.html [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Definition of garrote from Gurunet.com" Posted by Dunvegan on 13:07:33 7/09/2000 garˇrote or garˇrotte (g?-rot', -rot') n. 1.A method of execution formerly practiced in Spain, in which a tightened iron collar is used to strangle or break the neck of a condemned person. The iron collar used for such an execution. 2.Strangulation, especially in order to rob. 3.A cord or wire used for strangling. Until researching this case, I had only heard of the wire or cord garrote...the traditional Spanish chair garrote was a new one on me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Askme" Posted by fran on 12:27:28 7/09/2000 What is the url? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Fran" Posted by Anderson on 12:31:11 7/09/2000 http://www.askme.com/ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "You're Right, Anderson!" Posted by shadow on 08:35:17 7/10/2000 "The media picked up on the term garrotte and it spread like wildfire. It would be correct to say that JonBenet was garrotted to death, but a garrotte wasn't used to strangle her." The media has done this on many aspects of the JBR case - most notably the never-ending pronouncements that the GJ did not find sufficient evidence to indict. shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Thanks" Posted by starry on 08:58:42 7/10/2000 for this site. It's helping me with a totally non JBR related question I had. Did ya see where Jameson245 answered Sabreenas question. Hir is an expuke ya know. I still think I'm gonna hurl. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "jameson245's AskMe.com Bio" Posted by Dunvegan on 09:06:34 7/10/2000 jameson245 My Crime Expertise: I maintain the largest on-line area dedicated to the JonBenét Ramsey murder investigation. I document it with a TimeLine and moderate a forum on the subject. I have been involved with part of the investigation, have gone on TV to discredit a persecution (oops, prosecution) witness. I am in three of the books on the subject - the Schiller book, the Ramsey book and the Thomas book. I have met the Ramseys and others involved. Basically, I know as much as any outsider can know and hope to share the truth." Usually what a person chooses to put in their bio is very telling...seems that interjecting hirself into the case and 15 minutes of TV face-time and book mention are the holy grail to Jams. The "discredit a persecution (oops, prosecution) witness" line is just-too-precious, eh.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Ah, come on," Posted by Watching you on 09:15:33 7/10/2000 Dunvegan, you made that up, right? I mean, tell me jameson didn't put herself on that site as an expert. I've got to see this for myself. That woman is damn strange. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Here's Jams AskMe.com Expert Bio Link" Posted by Dunvegan on 10:42:55 7/10/2000 http://www1.AskMe.com/ViewProfile.asp?xid=1075779&cid=835 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Thanks, Dunvegan" Posted by Watching you on 10:53:52 7/10/2000 I did go there, but I couldn't find jameson's bio. Now I know I didn't look in the right place. I notice jameson neglects to note that the person she is so intent on discrediting, that would be Foster, of course, has never been wrong in over 150 cases of deciphering who wrote documents, books, etc. (this, according to Steve Thomas's book). There is something seriously wrong with this woman, I'm not kidding. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Haha" Posted by Watching you on 10:57:15 7/10/2000 I see the one question asked of this expert, jameson, by sabreena. Sabreena rated jameson's answer one-star, the lowest rating any expert can get. Way to go, jams. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Hey RUTHEE!" Posted by Cutter on 12:09:47 7/10/2000 Make sure you register as an "Expert" at that site! Let everybody know you are not only an expert on the Ramsey case, but also on the Ramsey's propaganda nozzle! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "from askme.com" Posted by Nandee on 11:52:19 7/10/2000 "I will never understand why the parents weren't "forced" to undergo interviews (separately) soon after the police must have known they could have had some involvement. I would have charged both of them with "something" and let the more "innocent" of the two give testimony against the other one! This is one of the strangest cases I have heard of in over 20 years of Investigation." Michael Director TACTICS Private Investigations http://www.tacticsone.com [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "WY" Posted by starry on 11:50:02 7/10/2000 Guess hir's not an expert on home schooling anymore, huh? No chit, this jammie lint head is a true piece of work. What a nut case if I ever saw one. Let's move over to the WO room. This is just too funny! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Anderson--you're right, it wasn't" Posted by fiddler on 16:39:51 7/10/2000 a garrotte. It was a huge knot, at the end of a cord, tied around a stick. There was no way, other than yanking on it, that the stick could have been "turned" to put pressure on the part of the cord that was around JBR's neck. Anyone who wants to look at the photos and do the "cord-length math" will see this. Well, hey, it LOOKED LIKE A GARROTTE TO ME....uh, kidnapping, that is..... And, I can't remember if anyone's ever mentioned this, but how would a sick-puppy stranger intruder even KNOW which her favorite nightgown and blanket were? Those items don't usually come up in the average kidnapping situation, do they? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "askme.com" Posted by sabrina on 17:37:03 7/10/2000 Yes, it didn't take very long for this lovely lake to become a swamp!! (I think it was an hour after I posted about askme.com here) Anyway, I have gotten so many answers on things I've been dying to know --even free medical advice from legitimate experts, not self sponsored ones. This site is well worth bookmarking. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Hir "expertise?"" Posted by v_p on 18:08:33 7/10/2000 Oh baruther. It must be nice to have so many people adore and applaud you, even if they are all inside one small head ... can we talk to "Dixie" now? V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "v_p" Posted by starry on 18:14:35 7/10/2000 >Oh baruther. >It must be nice to have so >many people adore and applaud you, >even if they are all inside >one small head ... can we >talk to "Dixie" now? >V. ROFLMAO [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "By the way..." Posted by Dunvegan on 19:49:12 7/16/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:49:12, 7/16/2000 ...whomever is peppering the Jamster with questions over at AskMe.com Crime message board in an attempt to "out" hir real agenda is actually causing the opposite effect by boosting Jam's ratings to the top of the list(!) AskMe rates on how many questions a person answers, as well as how well they answer the questions. The comeuppance is that due to the many pokes Jams has answered from "Anonymous" (who always rates Jams' answers at the low one star rating) hir's now ranked Ask.me's #2 crime expert (only behind an actual working detective with hundreds of answers to his credit.) Arrrggggggh! Dear Anonymous...let's see what happens if everyone leaves Jams alone...she'll perish without attention (and wouldn't that be so very Patsy like, eh?) Edited to add that lovely "correct spelling" touch...) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "What a Trip!" Posted by canadiana on 22:03:47 7/16/2000 I have just been on a trip down Insanity Lane with the askme.com site. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE