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Ramseys meeting BPD????, Sylvia, 08:03:22, 7/11/2000 When the Rams, Watching you, 08:18:01, 7/11/2000, (#1) Sticky point, Sylvia, 08:28:18, 7/11/2000, (#2) WY, Holly, 08:28:26, 7/11/2000, (#3) Sticky point, cstuart, 08:40:58, 7/11/2000, (#4) Game Playing!!!, shadow, 08:43:04, 7/11/2000, (#5) Shadow, Sylvia, 08:45:40, 7/11/2000, (#6) Question for, WitchyWoman, 09:13:36, 7/11/2000, (#7) Pester????, Florida, 09:49:46, 7/11/2000, (#10) Arachnaphobia, pinker, 09:37:22, 7/11/2000, (#9) I smell a, ericasf, 09:36:18, 7/11/2000, (#8) Now, wait just a cotton-picking minute, Watching you, 09:55:40, 7/11/2000, (#11) wouldn't it be glorious, Edie Pratt, 10:48:47, 7/11/2000, (#12) Oh Edie, better go back to bed., Sylvia, 11:39:32, 7/11/2000, (#16) Yeah, I too wanna know, lilac, 11:06:29, 7/11/2000, (#13) lilac, ericasf, 11:11:53, 7/11/2000, (#14) WHY, docg, 11:41:33, 7/11/2000, (#17) Edie..., Dianne E., 11:36:15, 7/11/2000, (#15) They know more, MJenn, 12:06:36, 7/11/2000, (#19) MJenn , Sylvia, 12:22:14, 7/11/2000, (#21) MJenn, Edie Pratt, 12:21:21, 7/11/2000, (#20) Could this be the true definition, gaiabetsy, 11:57:31, 7/11/2000, (#18) Holly, I am with you on the MW deal., seenal, 13:17:32, 7/11/2000, (#22) Boulder police, nana2, 13:31:26, 7/11/2000, (#23) This is what I'm thinking:, fiddler, 13:49:18, 7/11/2000, (#24) Yo, Fiddler,, gaiabetsy, 14:08:03, 7/11/2000, (#25) The ramseys are, Legalbeagle, 14:35:45, 7/11/2000, (#26) uck-fay e-may unning-ray, v_p, 15:36:38, 7/11/2000, (#30) How can they be broke?, MJenn, 15:32:53, 7/11/2000, (#28) Legal Representation, Ginja, 15:32:20, 7/11/2000, (#27) Yea, Ginja, MJenn, 15:36:09, 7/11/2000, (#29) Interesting development..., Cassandra, 15:49:44, 7/11/2000, (#31) yabut Ginja, v_p, 15:59:03, 7/11/2000, (#32) There IS, v-p: where the Ramseys, fiddler, 22:28:28, 7/11/2000, (#33) What about thier investigators?, AutumnBorn, 23:35:30, 7/11/2000, (#34) Did the Rams Lawyers Think They Were Guilty?, AutumnBorn, 01:28:21, 7/12/2000, (#35) John first, pinker, 04:03:58, 7/12/2000, (#36) Why the BPD needs to delay, cstuart, 05:32:47, 7/12/2000, (#37) Guess your whish is granted!!, Sylvia, 06:39:57, 7/12/2000, (#38) Hummmm!!!, shadow, 06:43:05, 7/12/2000, (#39) Shadow, Sylvia, 07:10:32, 7/12/2000, (#40) I know the FBI, Watching you, 07:23:39, 7/12/2000, (#41) HAHAHAHA, 1000Sparks, 08:38:44, 7/12/2000, (#42) Ha, Watching you, 08:42:46, 7/12/2000, (#43) I still think, gaiabetsy, 11:39:43, 7/12/2000, (#44) The RAMS should be willing to be , seenal, 13:21:39, 7/12/2000, (#46) FBI's Carnivore...wiretapping the Internet, Brightlight, 12:22:12, 7/12/2000, (#45) Well, hey, personally, fiddler, 16:36:05, 7/12/2000, (#47) Fiddler, thats just it, HOW COME TEAM RAMSEY, seenal, 17:21:58, 7/12/2000, (#48) I agree., Ribaldone, 17:48:16, 7/12/2000, (#49) same old crap, Matt, 18:49:18, 7/12/2000, (#50) This little tete-a-tete, Ribaldone, 18:59:12, 7/12/2000, (#52) the menu, Nandee, 18:52:26, 7/12/2000, (#51) ................................................................... "Ramseys meeting BPD????" Posted by Sylvia on 08:03:22 7/11/2000 Ramseys, Boulder police agree to meet anew Jul. 10, 2000 | 9:37 p.m. By KEVIN MCCULLEN Scripps Howard News Service Scripps Howard News Service DENVER -- John and Patsy Ramsey have agreed to meet in Atlanta with Boulder detectives investigating the murder of their daughter, their attorney said Monday. Attorney Lin Wood said he suggested seven potential dates this week or next week for police detectives and prosecutors to meet separately with the Ramseys in his Atlanta office. He also said the family has not imposed any conditions on the interviews, except that Wood be present during the interviews. But Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner said Monday there still were ``some sticking points'' in the Ramseys' offer. He declined to elaborate, but said detectives and prosecutors would need several days or more before deciding who, if anyone, would fly to Atlanta to question the Ramseys. Beckner said he suggested the interviews be scheduled in August. Wood, who sent a letter to Beckner Monday agreeing to the interviews, also said the chief insisted that Patsy Ramsey be questioned first. ``Were these interviews to happen, we'd have to clear people's schedules and get everyone together. It's not something that is going to happen tomorrow,'' Beckner said. ``This is not the only thing people who've been involved with the case are dealing with right now.'' Beckner since spring has sought new interviews with the parents of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, whose body was found in the basement of the Ramseys' former Boulder home Dec. 26, 1996. The Ramseys were interviewed over several days by prosecutors and investigators from Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter's office in June 1998, but the couple has not spoken with police since then. The chief has said the Ramseys are under suspicion in the death of their daughter, but police also have questioned dozens of others in the case. The couple has been criticized for not cooperating more with police. The Ramseys said during interviews promoting their book this spring that they would be willing to meet with police if it would help get the investigation moving in a new direction. ``Chief Beckner has told John and Patsy that he is interested in going over new questions and new information that has developed in the last two years. John and Patsy are taking his word at face value, that this is not designed to go over old ground and become a 'We're out to get John and Patsy' investigation,'' Wood said. ``I am taking him at his word that the Boulder police want this family's help in conducting a fair and objective investigation,'' he said. ``I am concerned that John and Patsy's offer is being met with conditions. If they want to impose conditions that constitute an effort only to pester John and Patsy, they are potential hitches.'' Wood said he and the Ramseys spoke by conference call Friday with Beckner, police Cmdr. Tom Wickman and two special prosecutors who assisted Mike Kane with the grand jury, Bruce Levin and Mitch Morrisey. It was the first time that Beckner has spoken with the Ramseys since he assumed supervision of the investigation in September 1997. ``I will say it was a cordial conversation,'' Beckner said. ``Is it a positive development? I'll withhold any judgment at this point.'' The Ramseys and Boulder police have waged a public spat since the publication of the couple's book. The sides quarreled publicly over conditions for the Ramseys to take a lie detector test, and in May, John Ramsey said he had no trust in Boulder police. But the rhetoric has softened in recent weeks, and Wood last week said the couple knows their daughter's murder will not be solved without involvement of Boulder police. (Contact Kevin McCullen of the Denver Rocky Mountain News at http://www.denver-rmn.com.) AP-NY-07-10-00 2218EDT [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "When the Rams" Posted by Watching you on 08:18:01 7/11/2000 agree to meet with BPD to be interrogated as suspects, which they are, and not with the intent of running the show, which they want, I will believe this. What's with this "cordial" crap? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Sticky point" Posted by Sylvia on 08:28:18 7/11/2000 I just wonder what those sticky points are. So I don't expect a thing out of it! Probably some demands from them, some the BPD can't allow. So first I also have to see it happening, before I believe it. Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "WY" Posted by Holly on 08:29:30 7/11/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:29:30, 7/11/2000 LOL. Crap is right. This is a positive development, I think. It could also be a distraction. There is another rumor that says the Garroters will be in Boulder this Saturday to meet with BPD. I don't care where they meet. But it seems awkward to meet at Lin Wood's office. If they talk about anything, I hope it's Mystery Woman. Their PI Lou-ser met with her. She says someone who is NOT the Garroters killed JB. Wouldn't you think they'd blaze a path to her and exploit her info for all it's worth? I haven't heard anyone credible in LA or the DA's office call her a liar yet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Sticky point" Posted by cstuart on 08:40:58 7/11/2000 I think one of the sticky points is that the R's are giving the police no preparation time. They appear to say in the next two eeks or not at all. Why can't they meet after July? What more important things are going on in their life? Remodelling the new Chaverloix hell hole? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Game Playing!!!" Posted by shadow on 08:43:04 7/11/2000 It is indeed unfortunate that the BPD and Boulder DA's Office did not have (and still haven't had)the guts to come right out and admit that the Ramseys are "prime suspects" in the death of JBR! This "umbrella" BS didn't, and still doesn't, get it! Here's the problem - if the Ramseys are not prime suspects, then they have every right to expect to meet "informally" with the BPD to cover in detail their progress in the case and the EVIDENCE. If they are prime suspects, then they should be told nothing about the progress and/or evidence and should be "interviewed" separately. The BPD is caught in this stupid "label" game and Lin Wood is kicking their butts... BTW, I also think it's time for the FBI to question the Ramseys (under oath) about their knowledge (if any) of the MW's allegations. shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Shadow" Posted by Sylvia on 08:45:40 7/11/2000 As for the FBI I hope they intervene!!!!!!!! Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Question for" Posted by WitchyWoman on 09:13:36 7/11/2000 someone who knows the law - Ginja? Paralegal? Since the FBI is doing an investigation of MW's claims could they interject themselves (FBI) into the case at this point? My thinking (right or wrong) is since MW is from CA and she went to CO to make the claims involving people at the White's from CA during Christmas the FBI has a right to take on the case. Since the R's were at the White's on Christmas day and the murder was on Christmas it would seem to me the link is made for the FBI. WW [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Pester????" Posted by Florida on 09:49:46 7/11/2000 ``I am concerned that John and Patsy's offer is being met with conditions. If they want to impose conditions that constitute an effort only to pester John and Patsy, they are potential hitches.'' Jon Benet has been dead almost four years, the parents haven't talked to the police for a couple of years and Wood has the nerve to say questions the police might have for them might "constitute an effort only to pester" them???? This is one of the most ridiculous statements out of Wood's mouth yet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Arachnaphobia" Posted by pinker on 09:37:22 7/11/2000 I hope the BPD has access to traveling extermination equipment. No one will volunteer, so they'll have to draw straws to see who'll frisk Patsy for a wire. Better check Lin too, if it's just him alone where are the rest of the ears of team Ramsey? Any meeting would be more private at Wal-mart on a Saturday. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "I smell a" Posted by ericasf on 09:36:18 7/11/2000 Rat!!!!! Something fishy's going on here. I wonder if they will be in Boulder this Saturday, like you heard. Mame?????? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Now, wait just a cotton-picking minute" Posted by Watching you on 09:55:40 7/11/2000 this just gets hinkier and hinkier. We've all questioned, where's Hadden et al. Meeting with Boulder authorities (being interrogated, that is)would not be classified as a civil attorney's territory in a murder case, would it? Why in the world is Wood handling this stuff? Is he going to sue the whole damn Boulder establishment, fercrissake? Where are the criminal attorneys? I know where. You know where, doncha? Figure it out. Wood is handling everything. Hadden and the rest have bowed out. I'll betcha. Wanna bet? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "wouldn't it be glorious" Posted by Edie Pratt on 10:48:47 7/11/2000 if when the BPD met with the Ramseys, they slapped the cuffs on then and there? OUCH! I just pinched myself awake. What I wonder is, this is about a criminal matter, what good is Wood to them in a civil capacity? Nothing makes sense anymore, maybe I'll go back to bed... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Oh Edie, better go back to bed." Posted by Sylvia on 11:39:32 7/11/2000 You are probably still dreaming, because this can't be what is happening. It would be a miracle to for once see justice done. So I guess you are the same as me dreaming, am going to back to bed again also, this just isn't my day. I still have to see it before I believe any of it. Just waiting what will be the next extra demand. Or who does what wrong and where? However they still are in for a fight in a courtroom with Chris Wolf. Although here nothing of it. Wood all he can do is bark, and here we say barking dogs don't bite!! Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Yeah, I too wanna know" Posted by lilac on 11:06:29 7/11/2000 if they'll be in Boulder on Saturday. I plan to be there myself. Maybe I can hunt them down and issue a citizen's arrest! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "lilac" Posted by ericasf on 11:11:53 7/11/2000 If you are going to be there then just try and stick around the JUSTICE CENTER.... Hmmmm! And the majority of the group will be at Holly's. Holly, we could get online????? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "WHY" Posted by docg on 11:41:33 7/11/2000 does every "cooperative" move on the Ramsey's part have to be tainted with arrogance? Why can't they ONCE agree simply to be interrogated on police terms with NO conditions? Does Lin Wood have any idea what he'd doing to what's left of his client's credibility? If they really intend to cooperate on police terms then they should just arrange with the police to DO it. Otherwise it really smells BAD. What the HELL is going on here, anyway, do they think they're planning a charity ball or something? WY, yes of course Haddon is out of the picture. He probably figured out some time ago that there was something very fishy about the Ramseys, that he was being used. All they now have is Wood, and, if these folks truly are innocent (which is VERY doubtful at this point), boy this guy is TRASHING their reputation. (If they're guilty, however, then he seems to be doing a GREAT job of frustrating and confusing everyone concerned.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Edie..." Posted by Dianne E. on 11:36:15 7/11/2000 ...ROFL ROFL. One very BIG and possible reason Haddon has bowed out, aside from having out of control clients, ha ha, is $$$$$$$$$$. Bet ol JohnBoy was slick in getting them to bill and bill until it came time to shell out. I have a message for JohnBoy, puhleez spare us the line about when you meet "strangers" who are so kind and wonderful. It is getting way being obviously scripted, lol. WHO in their right mind would walk up to a suspected killer and cause a ruckus? MAYBE if the killer was in handcuffs, but otherwise, hey, if they would brutally sexually murder their own daughter, JonBenet, imagine the evil that lurks with those two. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dianne E. ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "They know more" Posted by MJenn on 12:06:36 7/11/2000 than they're telling. If they were ready to go to trial last October with Haddon and co., when they weren't indicted I think it's a safe bet Hunter told Haddon all about the grand jury, and for the Ramseys it was all over but the shouting. (You know, Hallelujah! Glory be to God! We're free, we're free! We got away with murder!) Until, that is, Steve Thomas trumped their little game with his book. Yeah, John hates Thomas beyond measure, because Steve brought their karma back home. Pulverized their "Holier Than Thou" tour. I do want to say this: I believe the pressure they're feeling to talk with the BPD in part comes from the forums. I think the closer we get and the more we shout about their transparent tactics to "clear" their name, the more heat they feel. They know that the general public isn't buying it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "MJenn " Posted by Sylvia on 12:22:14 7/11/2000 I really believe that myself, by keeping the heat up on the internet it will eventually lead to justice. The forums and website are a constant reminder that people do not buy this priveledged treatment because of money. By keeping our focus on the case they will eventually wear down and have no choice left then to cooperate with the BPD (hopefully in cooperation with the FBI). So no one should give up until the case is solved. Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "MJenn" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:21:21 7/11/2000 I agree they get their "polling" from the forums. On the Robison show, PR made a point of saying how EVIL people out here in the world are, but then they contradicted themselves by saying how NICE people are out there. Well now, if people only approach them with hugs, apologies, and well wishes, WHERE is the EVIL? LOL, she means US! Hi Patsy, you misinformed slut! Read it and weep. Most everyone I talk to, are NOT interested in you and yours,BUT, they already made up their minds without so much as a click of the mouse-YOU'RE BOTH GOOD FOR IT. If people really approach them with "apologies", then it can only mean they're sorry for what they're really thinking. Afterall, who wants to entertain the thought of such a hideous, heinous crime commited by parents? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Could this be the true definition" Posted by gaiabetsy on 11:57:31 7/11/2000 of insanity? You know, that old idea about doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? Seems like the BPD has talked to these (probable) liars and (very possible) child killers before. What's new? Nobody hopes more than moi that these people, being so sick and narcissistic (and satisfied they're in the clear) will mess up and reveal something. After all, we have all seen how easy it is to get those Rams (especially Patsy) rattled, but it's my honest opinion, there is no way these two could feel so confident that they would take a chance of being interviewed once again by the police. BUT, BEING AS NARCISSISTIC AS I THINK BOTH RAMS ARE, I'd say they'd love "appealing to the public with displays of TOTAL COOPERATION" even if it put them at risk. To tell you the truth, I think the Rams believe (really believe) they're smarter than the rest of us. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Holly, I am with you on the MW deal." Posted by seenal on 13:17:32 7/11/2000 John and Patsy have to wonder about MW and what she's all about. Perhaps thats what this so-called interview is about. Could be they want information from the BPD...just to see where they (the Rams) stand. I personally being an "innocent" parent would have daily conversations with everyone of those detectives, investigators etc.... I wish the FBI could get involved with this, it s obvious that Haddon is no longer representing the Rams, its certainly not a money issue with Haddon since the Rams are buying new vacation property. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Boulder police" Posted by nana2 on 13:31:26 7/11/2000 Can the Boulder police arrest someone in Atlanta? How complicated do you think it would be to arrest Patsy, without her knowing in advance, and then extradite her to Boulder, and John as an accomplice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "This is what I'm thinking:" Posted by fiddler on 13:49:18 7/11/2000 1. Their book flopped, financially. 2. Their "lawsuits on Burke's behalf" are either not producing any $$$ to speak of, or are not being promptly settled for nuisance value. 3. Lin Wood is the only lawyer they have left. 4. Ellis Armistead has bailed. 5. Their promotion/salvation tour hasn't changed any minds, and the LKL interview especially made them look pretty bad. And so: The only way Lin Wood can start filing the "big money" lawsuits, the ones on John and Patsy's behalf, like against Steve Thomas and his publishers, is to FIND OUT WHAT THE BOULDER POLICE HAS ON THE RAMSEYS. Wood HAS to make nice to Mark Beckner. No cooperation, no way to weasel information.....equals no more money for John and Pats. It's just another financial maneuver, IMO. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Yo, Fiddler," Posted by gaiabetsy on 14:08:03 7/11/2000 your logic is reasonable to me. Yep, it's just another "fishing expedition" for the Rams and their hired guns. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "The ramseys are" Posted by Legalbeagle on 14:35:45 7/11/2000 all about image and they always have been. If they meet with BPD in the company of a criminal attorney that will signal to the world that they know they are suspects and not witnesses. My take on the FBI is that they can re-enter the case if invited by the BPD, or if they have developed physical evidence that cannot be demolished by cross-examination, or, if someone has the guts to arrest them on federal obstruction charges, throws them in jail and continues to work on murder charges. I also wonder now about their reduced financial circumstances--maybe they know they'll be needing lots of cash and fairly soon. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "uck-fay e-may unning-ray" Posted by v_p on 15:36:38 7/11/2000 "pester" them??? How about a couple of bi** slaps across that smug mug of hers? Would that be considered "pestering" them? Why don't they just go to the BPD? What are they so scared of? Is it too close to the Boulder County Jail? Do all the uniforms scare them? These two are like aliens to me. They are suspects in a murder case. A dead child is found strangled and beaten to death in the basement of their house. Instead of good cop/bad cop and interrogation rooms, they are writing a book, doing the book tour, attending private receptions, buying vacation homes and "inviting" the wimpy DA and his wimpy staff to "share" evidence and information over tea. Honestly, what's the deal? I can give them credit for one thing, if I'm EVER accused of ANYTHING, the cops will have one helluva time dragging my butt to the station. I know my rights dammit! V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "How can they be broke?" Posted by MJenn on 15:32:53 7/11/2000 It just doesn't wash. Why would anyone in financial straits be buying a vacation home? Why not apply that money to their financial problems? "I'm broke but hey, come and see me at my new vacation home." Now they want the police to come to Atlanta? Can't afford airplane tickets, but their civil attorney will be there charging in incriments of one sixth of an hour. No criminal reps? These two know they're home free. It's all about publicity. What little game are they playing now? One thing I keep thinking about is that their little Michigan vacation home will be the only real estate they own. Hmmmmmmmm. Any ideas? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Legal Representation" Posted by Ginja on 15:32:20 7/11/2000 As long as the attorney is a member of the bar, he can represent them. But attorneys stick to their 'expertise'...certain 'expertises' (new word?) costs more than others. Criminal defense is probably the most expensive. Considering that, plus the distance between Haddon and Atlanta, and you've got your answer as to why Wood's handling this. He's cheaper and closer. And besides, they don't need criminal defense attorneys as they're not criminal defendants!!!!! Why can't the BPD just arrest the bastards and interrogate them? Because police in Boulder County don't have police powers! As far as I know, the BPD is the only police department in the country that can't make an arrest...for murder, I guess. They didn't seem to have any problems charging after college students. They didn't seem to have any problems arresting Mame for her dog. Ahhhh...but then again, we're not talking murderers....just typical lawbreakers! If the FBI is investigating MW's allegations, and if those allegations involve the Ramseys, then the FBI could reasonably show up on their doorstep to ask questions. But this issue has me a bit befuddled. MW is saying that the Ramseys didn't kill their daughter. If she's claiming that, then on what grounds does the FBI have for intervention? If Beckner had half a pea brain, he'd go over Hunter's head and request the court's intervention for an arrest warrant. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Yea, Ginja" Posted by MJenn on 15:36:09 7/11/2000 What would the BPD have to lose? It's not like they're going to ever make this case stronger by sitting on their hands. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Interesting development..." Posted by Cassandra on 15:49:44 7/11/2000 Hope someone who knows the case inside and out will be the ones to question them. And...that they do indeed question them separately, and Patsy first. Reserving judgement until I see how this plays out. Crossing fingers that this is handled well. Wonder what the Denver defense lawyers think of this latest development... Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "yabut Ginja" Posted by v_p on 15:59:03 7/11/2000 >>>And besides, they don't need criminal defense attorneys as they're not criminal defendants!!!!!<<< If I want to sue my ex for child support, I hire a civil attorney. If I, on the other hand, garrote and conk my ex over the head for child support, I hire a criminal attorney. So, my question is, why are they using a civil attorney? when they are suspects in a murder case? There must be a method to their well established madness. V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "There IS, v-p: where the Ramseys" Posted by fiddler on 22:28:28 7/11/2000 are at right now is filing libel lawsuits. Their Burke stuff either didn't pay off the way they planned, or isn't going as smoothly as they hoped. Lin Wood can't file any kind of decent case against someone like Steve Thomas (or Governor Owens, or the Boulder Police) unless he knows what evidence the BPD has against the Ramseys. He DOESN'T know that right now, and with Haddon and Armistead gone, he has no other way of gaining access to any "evidence-sharing" sessions. So he HAS to offer Ramsey cooperation, and do his best to surmise from the investigators' questions what, if any, new stuff the cops have. The Ramseys NEED access to the evidence, and all their other sources have dried up. It's just that simple. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "What about thier investigators?" Posted by AutumnBorn on 23:35:30 7/11/2000 "...the couple knows their daughter's murder will not be solved without involvement of Boulder police." Double speak for: "the couple realizes they can't be exonerated in the court of public opinion without the involvement of the Boulder police". What happened to them and their "investigators" (Smit, Bennet, et al) solving their daughter's murder? Have they given up on making a citizen's arrest? I'll bet that the sticking points are 1) If they fly to Boulder, will the BPD pay for their flights (we're sooooo broke) and 2) That they be provided with copies of transcripts. Or it could be whether lunch will be provided and who's buying it. (And I know what broke is and isn't. Buying a home isn't broke. Broke is not being able to buy gas to get home.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Did the Rams Lawyers Think They Were Guilty?" Posted by AutumnBorn on 01:28:21 7/12/2000 Is that why it took four months for them to speak with the BPD? That possiblity just occurred to me. The reason they spoke with the press and not the BPD was on the advice of their attorneys who thought their clients were, in fact, guilty of their daughter's murder? Am I dense or what? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "John first" Posted by pinker on 04:03:58 7/12/2000 is the new stipulation according to today's Denver Post. (I wish I were talented enough to drag that sucker over here or whatever the lingo is) I'm still very worried that the umbrella people would use some sort of listening devices, didn't the BPD think that happened before? And this wouldn't even be on the BPD's own turf. If the twinectomy is successful their answers must match exactly to exhonorate themselves. This is making me restless and nervous. I do hope the 'new evidence' is released to the public so the court of public opinion can procede since it seems like the real court is a laughing matter. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Why the BPD needs to delay" Posted by cstuart on 05:32:47 7/12/2000 The BPD has hours of Ramsey TV footage to watch and rewatch for inconsistencies. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Guess your whish is granted!!" Posted by Sylvia on 06:39:57 7/12/2000 Just read v_p's mail and well you got your wish come through, won't happen till at least next month and even still have to see it happen before I believe any of it. Have a feeling some dirty game is being played here. Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Hummmm!!!" Posted by shadow on 06:43:05 7/12/2000 My sources are talking to me again... FWIW - The FBI thinks a BPD trip to Atlanta is "NUTTY!" Ginja asked - "If the FBI is investigating MW's allegations, and if those allegations involve the Ramseys, then the FBI could reasonably show up on their doorstep to ask questions. But this issue has me a bit befuddled. MW is saying that the Ramseys didn't kill their daughter. If she's claiming that, then on what grounds does the FBI have for intervention?" I'm told - If the FBI were investigating allegations of child abuse and child porn, that crosses state lines, and national borders, they can question anyone they "damned please" and it is a crime to lie to a Federal Law Enforcement person! (Don't kill the messenger, that was what I was told.) And, BTW, the FBI in Quantico has developed a system that can intercept Internet communications. So, in effect, they can listen to anything transmitted via the net! BIG BROTHER is here... shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Shadow" Posted by Sylvia on 07:10:32 7/12/2000 >The FBI thinks a BPD trip to Atlanta is "NUTTY!"< Well they are not the only one who think that! >I'm told - If the FBI were >investigating allegations of child abuse and >child porn, that crosses state lines, >and national borders, they can question >anyone they "damned please" and it >is a crime to lie to >a Federal Law Enforcement person! I think it is also a crime to obstruct any investigation and leaving the state it happened in! >And, BTW, the FBI in Quantico has >developed a system that can intercept >Internet communications. So, in effect, they >can listen to anything transmitted via >the net! BIG BROTHER is here... Well BIG BROTHER should lay his ears somewhere else, maybe than they can catch some child killers. Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "I know the FBI" Posted by Watching you on 07:23:39 7/12/2000 has those capabilities, Shadow, but do they have the legal right to eavesdrop on cyber-conversations without a crime's having been committed and without a court order? They can't legally tape a phone conversation without a court order, I wonder how that applies to the internet. The Rams probably have demanded to see their previous statements made to the police, for instance, their last interrogations, before they will meet with authorities. Don't think they won't get what they want - Hunter is still in office, you know. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "HAHAHAHA" Posted by 1000Sparks on 08:38:44 7/12/2000 Did anyone notice Watching You seems a bit edgy now that she knows the FBI has been reading her posts in the WOR???? I knew she'd get caught. Good for her. BTW, I'm glad the Rams are gonna talk... don't care what they have to say, but separating them seems like a very fine idea. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Ha" Posted by Watching you on 08:42:46 7/12/2000 I think I'd be worried if I drank vodka gimlets with my roosters, sparky. My posts are quite reserved and legal, thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "I still think" Posted by gaiabetsy on 11:39:43 7/12/2000 this "ploy" by the Rams to supposedly "meet" with the BPD is just a way to (in their crazy minds) help throw the heat off them and make them more sympathetic characters. I just wanta say to them, "Look guys, ain't no way you'll ever be able to make yourselves into tragic figures. NO WAY!" Sometimes I find their behavior laughable. If I were trying to be a murder rap, would I continue to pursue the press? Would you? After all, if they'd just shut their little mouths and get "real jobs" they'd surely beat this thing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "The RAMS should be willing to be " Posted by seenal on 13:21:39 7/12/2000 interrogated, and interviewed over and over if it means they are "serious" about finding their little girl's killer(s). These people continue to amaze me with their conditions and guidelines that need to met before speaking with any authorities. Since they are so hellbent on proving their innocence they shouldve been straight up with the BPD in the beginning. Their continuous whining claiming the BPD is out to "nail them" is a bunch of crap, John and Patsy have nothing to lose if they are "innocent." Those two God-loving, faithfilled, Christians should be more than happy to sit down and answer questions any time, day, night Boulder, Atlanta, the North Pole, under any physical condition, and with or without attorneys present. These two ....well you'd think with their egos, money, and arrogance that they would WANT to PROVE the BPD wrong, well for the last three years they have done nothing to try and prove their innocence. Im so puzzled why they wont go and sit with the authorities and answer anything they want to know. You know ...here I am ask away, Ill sit at this damn table for the next ten years on a daily basis...if it will help you find my childs killer and eventually you'll figure out we didnt do it!!! Well folks, these folks just are not acting right and havent been since their little girl was killed. John and Patsy if you are reading, get your sorry butts out there and prove to the nation and the rest of the world..."that you know---NOTHING." I bet you wont do it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "FBI's Carnivore...wiretapping the Internet" Posted by Brightlight on 12:22:12 7/12/2000 FBI's Internet Wiretaps Raise Privacy Concerns By John Schwartz Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, July 12, 2000; Page A01 The FBI has deployed an automated system to wiretap the Internet, giving authorities a new tool to police cyberspace but drawing concerns among civil libertarians and privacy advocates about how it might be used. The new computer system, dubbed "Carnivore" inside the FBI because it rapidly finds the "meat" in vast amounts of data, was developed at FBI computer labs in Quantico, Va., and has been used in fewer than 50 cases so far. Complete article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/politics/fedpage [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Well, hey, personally" Posted by fiddler on 16:36:05 7/12/2000 I'd be THRILLED if the FBI were "monitoring" this forum. In fact, I think they'd be stupid not to--think of the leads/ideas/research they're getting FOR FREE! In particular, I hope they noted AutumnBorn's "outing" of Patsy as a "Stage Four cancer survivor", the tips on Munchausen's, and all the research on MW. I hope they have a LOT of questions for the Ramseys. And I hope Beckner lets Patsy and John just twist in the wind for a damn long time. Why SHOULD he have to deviate from standard police procedure, simply because these people want him to? If they're willing to cooperate, fine, then do that. If they're NOT willing to, then--well, too bad. Why should the Ramseys be allowed to set the terms here? I mean, I'm sure that Ted Bundy wanted the police investigation to go in a different direction, too, and so did Susan Smith, and so did the guy just arrested for killing prostitutes in Spokane. SO WHAT? This isn't a popularity contest, people--this is a murder investigation. And finally, we have a police chief who's willing to do it properly--by the book. And it's about time, IMO. Hold tight, Mr. Beckner. Don't return any phone calls. Don't give in. If they won't do this the way you and the FBI want, the hell with them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Fiddler, thats just it, HOW COME TEAM RAMSEY" Posted by seenal on 17:21:58 7/12/2000 calls all the shots, then spin it to make it look like the authorities are not cooperating with them. Loved it when Beckner turned down their offer of an independent lie detector test. He was by the book, let the FBI handle it. For the life of me, why wont these God-loving christians submit to an FBI sponsored test, I could go on and on, I know this ones been hashed. Im still on the fence with several theories. One theory I do know...those Rams "know" something, and its very ugly. (((And I hope Beckner lets Patsy and John just twist in the wind for a damn long time. Why SHOULD he have to deviate from standard police procedure, simply because these people want him to? If they're willing to cooperate, fine, then do that. If they're NOT willing to, then--well, too bad. Why should the Ramseys be allowed to set the terms here?))) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "I agree." Posted by Ribaldone on 17:48:16 7/12/2000 It's not Beckner that's "stalling," it's the Ramsey's, as usual. First of all, they shouldn't even be "negotiating" -- they should be dragging their fat asses down to Boulder to meet with whomever needs to talk to them. Period. Secondly, it's obvious to me that Wood is the one stalling. He is quoted in the first paragraph of the following story saying that has has not agreed to allow Fatsy to be interviewed first. Why not? What's the big deal? Obviously, it's more important to the Ramseys and the Woodman to argue over who has to be interviewed first (or separately) than it is to try and find out who killed their daughter. How can they possibly think this makes them look cooperative? It makes them look just as guilty and uncooperative as everything else they do or say. The Ramsey babykillers make me sick! Here's the story I mentioned above (link is below): "Ramseys agree to meet police By Allison Sherry Special to Denver Post July 12, 2000 - John and Patsy Ramsey have agreed to meet with Boulder police. However, their atorney said Tuesday that they have not agreed to the stipulation Patsy be interviewed first." http://www.denverpost.com/news/jon071200.htm [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "same old crap" Posted by Matt on 18:49:18 7/12/2000 John and Patsy Ramsey have agreed to meet in Atlanta with Boulder detectives Murders suspects setting the ground rules. Again, Alexia? Or Bleck_ner, as the case may be, I get the azzwipes confused sometimes. Don't you guys in Boulder EVER get sick of being wussy? Round and round we go on this merry-go-round. Since nothing will come out of this meeting with respect to an arrest ask yourself what is this all about? Who is to REALLY benefit? Something smells, and it's not an arrest. Fast forward, peer into the crystal ball: July, 2010 "Ramseys Agree to Meet on their New Yacht with Bleck_ner" After Trip DeMuth attended a party at the Ramseys last week to booze with and smooze and cuddle up to killers he worked so hard to help escape, the Ramseys have agreed to meet with Bleck_ner so as to help keep the Swamp Witch and her baby reptiles something new to talk about. Commander Bleck_ner was awarded last year with "weenie of the year" award and received countless atta-boys for being a lackey all his career. JonBenet, in case you have forgotten, was strangled and hit on the head 14 years ago and still no one in the DA's office is courageous enough to prosecute her killer. Picture insert, left to right: Trip DeMuth, John Ramsey, Mary Keenan, and Patsy Ramsey. Copyright 2000, Matt Causey Reporter [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "This little tete-a-tete" Posted by Ribaldone on 18:59:12 7/12/2000 is going to be a big waste of time anyway. What do they hope to accomplish with Slimeball along for the ride? We're talking about the PRIME SUSPECTS in a murder. They need to be INTERROGATED! The BDP should tell Team Ramsey to go f*ck themselves, then hop a plane to Atlanta and slap cuffs on both the babykillers. Then tell Lin Wood to go f*ck himself. Once an arrest is made, Woodman is out of the game. If I were Beckner, that'd be the gameplan. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "the menu" Posted by Nandee on 18:52:26 7/12/2000 included Pineapple tied with little garrotes made of ham..... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE