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Link to ST,PB,BT&Dave Sanderson 7/26, Bobby, 20:17:10, 7/26/2000 I want, darby, 20:31:07, 7/26/2000, (#1) From transcript, v_p, 20:48:46, 7/26/2000, (#3) i agree, ericasf, 10:45:26, 7/27/2000, (#12) WOW!, Ribaldone, 20:41:08, 7/26/2000, (#2) Double WOW!, Kaethe, 22:40:56, 7/26/2000, (#4) Skydog and Bobby..., mee too, 01:18:18, 7/27/2000, (#5) Move on?, lake, 01:33:41, 7/27/2000, (#6) Grand Jury, ericasf, 10:49:29, 7/27/2000, (#13) EXCELLENT SkyDog, Chris, 06:11:25, 7/27/2000, (#7) obstruction of justice, Matt, 09:38:09, 7/27/2000, (#8) Skydog, thanks!, LurkerXIV, 10:03:33, 7/27/2000, (#9) To Bobby & SkyDog..., shadow, 10:23:35, 7/27/2000, (#10) Boulder citizens.., rose, 10:31:52, 7/27/2000, (#11) a couple of things, fly, 11:15:16, 7/27/2000, (#14) Grand Jury, Kaethe, 12:37:31, 7/27/2000, (#16) My problem with Hunter..., shadow, 12:23:09, 7/27/2000, (#15) Shadow,, gaiabetsy, 14:33:29, 7/27/2000, (#17) Some people, lake, 16:34:03, 7/27/2000, (#18) What bothers me about the election. . . , Bobby, 17:29:15, 7/27/2000, (#19) I'm concerned, Seeker, 17:59:08, 7/27/2000, (#21) Seeker, Bobby, 18:25:50, 7/27/2000, (#24) Darn your butt!, gaiabetsy, 17:56:24, 7/27/2000, (#20) oooooh Giabetsy, Seeker, 18:05:04, 7/27/2000, (#23) Well,, gaiabetsy, 18:01:28, 7/27/2000, (#22) well, my dear boy,, gaiabetsy, 19:05:46, 7/27/2000, (#25) This is exactly, sherryf135, 19:56:20, 7/27/2000, (#26) gaibetsy, v_p, 20:02:10, 7/27/2000, (#27) Thanks, Bobby, Cassandra, 05:52:50, 7/28/2000, (#28) Thompson and arrest..., rose, 11:16:35, 7/28/2000, (#29) Casandra...., rose, 11:19:28, 7/28/2000, (#30) In Steve Thomas's Book..., LurkerXIV, 11:24:11, 7/28/2000, (#31) Lurker...., rose, 15:14:47, 7/28/2000, (#32) Lucker...., rose, 15:17:45, 7/28/2000, (#33) Bump......, rose, 15:52:04, 7/28/2000, (#34) ................................................................... "Link to ST,PB,BT&Dave Sanderson 7/26" Posted by Bobby on 20:18:59 7/26/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:18:59, 7/26/2000 Tonight skydog posted this great info at Cybersleuths. Incredible transcribing job he did. Things are heating up a little before primary. http://www.cybersleuths.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001383.html Hope this works for ya, G'night. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "I want" Posted by darby on 20:31:07 7/26/2000 Ben Thompson to win. I'm tired of everything remaining under wraps. Out with it. All of it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "From transcript" Posted by v_p on 20:48:46 7/26/2000 >>ST: Keenan said people are tired of the Ramsey case and need to move on.<< Tired of the case? Tired of trying to find justice for a brutally murdered child? Well hell, we want to keep the Boulder people happy and entertained. Sorry JonBenet, you're old news sweetheart. Mommy and Daddy need to move on. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "i agree" Posted by ericasf on 10:45:26 7/27/2000 Any person with any kind of heart or pretending to have any kind of heart would never say that her death was basically in vain! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "WOW!" Posted by Ribaldone on 20:41:08 7/26/2000 Very interesting. Thomas confirms that the Grand Jury DIDN'T VOTE! "DA's office told BDP they would not ask for a vote." I've suspected this since Hunter made his lame announcement, but having it confirmed by Thomas as "fact" just makes my blood boil more than ever. I just cannot imagine having to live inside Alex Hunter's skin. What an incredibly gutless person he is. He's a very small man. Other juicy little tidbits here too. Thanks for posting it Bobby. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Double WOW!" Posted by Kaethe on 22:40:56 7/26/2000 Well, holy chit! So that's the word. I'm glad someone has finally stood up and mouthed the truth. The Grand Jury was NOT allowed to take a vote. We all thought this was the case and now here's someone with an inside track saying this is exactly what happened. We could hear it in that weasel's well framed GJ aftermath speech. No vote! Okay, now I want the Ramseys to shut their fat faces when it comes to the Grand Jury NOT recommending that charges be filled against them. This has been a major part of that "Innocent Banner" these people have hoisted since the GJ was shut down. "No vote" means the Grand Jury very well may have WANTED charges filed against the Ramseys but were deprived the opportunity to ask for them. And this after all their hard work. I feel badly for those jurors. Man, this pisses me off! So I bet there are pissed off jurors out there as well. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Skydog and Bobby..." Posted by mee too on 01:19:38 7/27/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 01:19:38, 7/27/2000 Skydog thanks ever so much for the wonderful transcript.....Panico we sure miss you......Truly a Braveheart..... Thanks Bobby for posting the transcript here...... Just what most of us figured...!!! I don't think many people believed the Grand Jury voted...... hmmm...so Keenan tried to access the war room.....isn't that just precious.... people need to move on...?? say what...Tell that to JonBenet you Witch..... What's this about dumping fish in the dumpster....Now that really sounds FISHEY...!!!!! ....(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Move on?" Posted by lake on 01:36:50 7/27/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 01:36:50, 7/27/2000 What are those 7 guys (assistant DA's and BPD detectives) going to Atlanta in August for? Just more SHOW for the media and the interested public? Well, I thought that was likely the case anyway. And Hunter made it clear that it was the decision of himself and the GJ Assistant DA team that there was not a case to file against anyone and take to trial. Probable cause was in 1997 not 1999. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Grand Jury" Posted by ericasf on 10:49:29 7/27/2000 I'm glad that it has been brought out in the open and probably makes the jurors feel a little better because it's not on their shoulders as far as the public is concerned. We all know that for a grand jury to indict, it takes practically nothing. Grand juries on a whole are more prone to indict then not to. So this all is starting to make a little sense now. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "EXCELLENT SkyDog" Posted by Chris on 06:11:25 7/27/2000 Thanks for doing that report. As for the content...I'm still digesting [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "obstruction of justice" Posted by Matt on 09:38:09 7/27/2000 >>DS: Never seen a case where evidence was shared with suspect like the DA's office did with Ramseys.<< Why isn't Hunter, DeMuth, and Hofstrom investigated and arrested? I believe if Thompson is elected there will be a day of reckoning for this corrupt bunch. You betcha they want "one of their own" in office. You betcha keenan wants the case swept under the rug and the public to "heal". Why did you break into the war room Keenan? Not tampering with evidence are you? Not STEALING evidence for the suspects are you? Did you do that on your own or by order from HUNTER? you betcha they don't want Thompson in. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Skydog, thanks!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 10:03:33 7/27/2000 Some hard news, at last! PB: $100,000 question: did Hunter let Grand Jury vote on indictment? BT: Hunter was handing out copies of the court order saying the Grand Jury is secret. Gave everyone a copy the day he announced the No Indictment. Gave me a copy. ST: Grand Jury didn't vote. DA told police they would not ask for a vote. No wonder John and Patsy hate Steve Thomas's guts. He knows the TRUTH. I hope Steve never gives up in his quest for justice for JonBenet. And, BTW, where is the Rammers' big lawsuit against Steve? Right! It'll never happen. Boulder needs a new DA, one with NO TIES to Hunter&CO. That would be Ben Thompson. Martha Moxley's mom finally got justice for her daughter after a new DA came into office. Let's hope the same thing happens in the JBR case. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "To Bobby & SkyDog..." Posted by shadow on 10:23:35 7/27/2000 This is indeed a tribute to Panico/Wanda! Both from the Panscribing standpoint and from the standpoint of how she viewed Alex Hunter and his merry men... shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Boulder citizens.." Posted by rose on 10:31:52 7/27/2000 If the citizens of Boulder don't want the expence and interuption of a big murder trial in their city, why don't they ask the attorney General to take the case over? Thats the only reasons I can come up with for them to not demand a full investigation into whats been going on in their town. Keenan is just expressing what Mame says her neighbors are saying. On the other hand, the majority could just be morally lacking themselves. There has not been one citizens group who has got together to protest the goings on for almost 4 years. This is just disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "a couple of things" Posted by fly on 11:15:16 7/27/2000 First, I'd like to know when Hunter told the police he wouldn't ask the GJ to vote concerning an indictment. Not saying it wasn't shortly before the end of the GJ, but we can't tell from ST's statement. Afterall, Hunter, Kane, and just about everybody had said from day 1 that the GJ was investigative, not called for the purpose of indicting. Second, as I understand it, the GJ uses a "probable cause" criterion for voting for a true bill. As ST indicated, there was no disagreement anywhere as to whether than standard could be met - even before the GJ. The issue has always been whether they had a strong enough case to take to court and expect to win. A GJ vote would not address that; that is a decision Hunter & his aides would have to make, even after a true bill vote. Why ask the GJ to vote if you already know there is probable cause, but you don't have a strong enough case to justify going to trial? I'm not saying the conclusion that the case was too weak for trial was necessarily the right one. That definitely was the feeling of even Beckner prior to the GJ, but maybe new evidence changed that. Criticizing Hunter for not going to trial might have some merit, but doing so for not asking for a vote is pretty questionable, IMO. Third, perhaps it would be appropriate to cut the Boulder populace some slack concerning "wanting to move on." All indications are that the case is not sufficient to expect a win in court. Most commentators have also been pretty pessimistic about whether that will ever change. Facing that situation, why not "move on" rather than continue to flog the nag? That doesn't mean the case needs to be completely forgotten and never worked on by the police, but just that it doesn't have to be the dominant, everpresent issue anymore. There are other cases, other issues that also deserve full attention. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Grand Jury" Posted by Kaethe on 12:37:31 7/27/2000 I know, I know. We all got p'ed-off about this matter a LONG time ago, but somehow I'm feeling freshly appalled. Humor my naiveté -- I am taken aback by hearing this stated as fact. NO GJ VOTE! So from the beginning the GJ was all about furthering the investigation and never about voting yea or nay for indictments? News to me. Okay, granted, Hunter knew before the GJ commenced that he wasn't going to try the Ramseys. For Hunter there could NEVER have been enough evidence against them to justify HIM going to trial. Wasn't going to happen. The GJ was simply used by Hunter to get his a** off the hook. So why didn't he let the GJ have their say on the Ramsey investigation after their long days and dedication and simply cast a vote? Wouldn't this have been the right thing to do? No thanks. No need. Hunter had no intention of taking this case to trial. Ever. Hell, I think even a murder/suicide attempt by John and Patsy wouldn't have moved this case along for Hunter. The stinky, crappy thing about all this : Hunter and the Ramseys all continue to imply that they were vindicated by the GJ. Nobody says what REALLY happened -- that's all secret and protected information. The Ramseys and Hunter simply point out the GJ spent all that time and all that attention looking at the Ramseys but didn't choose to charge the Ramseys with anything. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "My problem with Hunter..." Posted by shadow on 12:45:18 7/27/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:45:18, 7/27/2000 and his assistants has to do with their 1) apparent inability to cooperate with the BPD in gathering evidence against suspects - call it "umbrella" if you wish, but the Ramseys were suspects; 2) their ability to completely cooperate with the Ramsey lawyers; 3) their decisions to ignore the advice of the FBI; and 4) their apparent contempt for the FBI. My guess is that the "liberal" Boulder DA and his loyal assistants looked upon the BPD and FBI as the Gestapo who were going to trample all over the rights of "Boulder's finest." shadow BTW, I also have a problem with the fact that the "legit" news media has said over and over and over that "the GJ did not find sufficient evidence to indict." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Shadow," Posted by gaiabetsy on 14:33:29 7/27/2000 your last comment really "hit me". Does the legit media really know the grand jury did not find sufficient evidence to indict? Was that plainly stated? Sorry, but these tired old gray cells of mine are starting to limp along, so I can't remember if that statement is definitely true. If it is, well, c'mon, what are we doing? I mean, if the grand jury really did hear ALL the evidence, and I mean ALL of it, and those folks couldn't find a way to indict, what does that really mean? I mean, take for example the idea JonBenet was having her hair bleached that night. I read the police eventually took up the toilets in that house. I can't believe for a minute, if that's true, they wouldn't have discovered that process was indeed going on that night. So, are we saying the fact JB might have been abused in her own bathroom (probably) by her mother was just a few votes short of some kind of indictment? Yes, probably. Truth is, no theory holds enough water, if you want to believe the GJ was legit and really trying to do the correct thing. Any comments? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Some people" Posted by lake on 16:34:03 7/27/2000 Cannot or choose not to understand the difference between probable cause and evidence that can sucessufully prosecute and reasonably be expected to yeild the probable truth of a crime. There was probable cause to arrest both the Ramsey parents in ealy 1997. But if you arrest someone on probable cause, there should be a reasonable expectation that someone can be successfully prosecuted after the arrest if charges are filed by the DA. But, the more the case was investigated and the more the evidence that was collected was tested, the less clear the evidence of the guilt of anyone became to right thiking people. So after 3 years of investigation (including a GJ proceeding) all the evidence that was evidence should have been tested and avaiable to the GJ. All the witness and other interview and statements were known. It was not going to get any better after the GJ wrapped up. And there was not a clear cut case against anyone was the judgement of the DA and his independent advisors. Probable cause did not count in 10/99. There was no real further investigating to be done or evidence to be collected. It was as good as it was going to get and the evidence did not support filing charges against anyone. And, that it the way it is. For a DA to ask or allow a GJ to return an indictment on probable cause standards that no longer appllied to the situation after a 3 year investigtion is just a plain dumb. And for anyone to take seriously the claims to ST regarding things turning out differently if the DA would have gone along with a probable cause arrest is just pie in the sky. The odds are that the Rs would have been out on bail in 24 hours, would have had a damn good excuse for not cooperating with the cops, the Ramseys would have looked better in the eyes of the public and the cops would have looked like even bigger fools. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "What bothers me about the election. . . " Posted by Bobby on 17:29:15 7/27/2000 Ben Thompson signs are being taken from yards. He can't afford to keep replacing them. The perception is he has no backing. Big bucks are buying the election too. Where is the guy in the white hat? Arrest some thieves. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "I'm concerned" Posted by Seeker on 17:59:08 7/27/2000 with Ben Thompson's statements. I would hate for him to get elected and not follow through on his campaign promises of making arrests. I wonder if he will be able to after all this time. Where in the world (literally) could they ever find an impartial jury now that the Ramsey's have polluted the possible pool by their numerous television appearances? I hope BT isn't just telling voters what they want to hear just to get elected. That would be the cruelest thing he could do to sabotage the memory of a little girl who deserves real justice! What does anyone know about the other candidate that was also on the show? DS? Ribaldone "Very interesting. Thomas confirms that the Grand Jury DIDN'T VOTE! "DA's office told BDP they would not ask for a vote." I've posted that before, I glad for the confirmation. Finally! :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Seeker" Posted by Bobby on 18:25:50 7/27/2000 BT has a lot to say about how he would run things. He has a web page and a long history of prosecuting in FL. Tallahasse I think. I have no strong feelings about any candidate but MK and TD are just AH pawns-there to Cover for him. Nothing will change for Boulder Citizens but maybe that is what they want/deserve. It's up to them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Darn your butt!" Posted by gaiabetsy on 17:56:24 7/27/2000 ok, SO YOu know more than I do. Is that sur0p\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\ * s9h[4 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Darn your ass, I ain'exactly sure I'd want to put the load to all of that. t Come on , Cheney, show yourself. we need you to stand up and not be so rediculous. Geez, anyone can peruse you blasted voting record. How about you talk to a woman in East Tennesse who has always regarded you as a calm and "present" person. It would be a scary thing to take credence to a person like me, but I gotta tell ya, I really think you know a lot about how it is to live life. Sometimes I think what we are trying to broker here is akin to thew Pallistinians versu the Jews. How are we to broker that kind comoromise? I feel definitely unable. Am I simply stupid? Probably. Please guide me onto the truth. I'm more than ready. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "oooooh Giabetsy" Posted by Seeker on 18:05:04 7/27/2000 is your jaw aching again? I wish I could send you some motrin to get rid of the pain. You know how nuts it can drive you. I hope you feel better soon I miss the "real" you! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Well," Posted by gaiabetsy on 18:01:28 7/27/2000 I just want to quickly say I'm sorry there was all that crazy negotiating. Sorry, dear boy. But we have to keep negotiating. Well, it's time to get past all this stuff.. Give me the address for my dearr Jacques. Come on, let me know. I can solve this problem. Let's face it, this is your chance. Get on witb it! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "well, my dear boy," Posted by gaiabetsy on 19:05:46 7/27/2000 I'm so sorry, but I think you have the jump on me. I'd love to hear the outcome. I'm always happy when is pointed in my direction. Shades of that awful man from Oxford. Morse, isn't it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "This is exactly" Posted by sherryf135 on 19:56:20 7/27/2000 Why the grand jury has a lifetime gag order. Do you think? What a bunch of lies and fairy tales. What a waste of money. I am pretty pissed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "gaibetsy" Posted by v_p on 20:02:10 7/27/2000 I'm with you, but I can't find the radio antenna and the biscuits cooked too long :-( [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Thanks, Bobby" Posted by Cassandra on 05:52:50 7/28/2000 Giving this thread a bump up. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Thompson and arrest..." Posted by rose on 11:16:35 7/28/2000 If Thompson is elected to run as the Democratic representative for DA on Aug. 8th, which will eleminate Keenan and Demuth, do you think the Boulder police will feel more empowered? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Casandra...." Posted by rose on 11:19:28 7/28/2000 Like you I think this disscussion needs a bump up too. Bump........ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "In Steve Thomas's Book..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 11:24:11 7/28/2000 ...he talks about an assistant DA (female) whose apt. was raided by cops for drugs. They found cocaine and other stuff in her lingerie drawer. She, of course, blamed it on her boyfriend. How many female assistant DA's were there at this time? Is he talking about Keenan?? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Lurker...." Posted by rose on 15:14:47 7/28/2000 I remember that in Thomas's book. Can you tell me the page number, I want to read that statement again. If this is true, was there any follow up by the police or DA's office? Were their any charges brought against the boyfriend of this assistant DA? Does this assistant DA still associate with this boyfriend? What reason did the police raid this persons home. Does she still work for the DA's office? Is there a record of this in Boulder that some of you smart young people can get a copy of? Was there any record ever filed? With all of the claims of misconduct in this case and questions about the DA office, I am so surprised that Gov. Owens has not called in the Colo. Bureau of investigation to take a look at these charges. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Lucker...." Posted by rose on 15:17:45 7/28/2000 I really think this info in Steve Thomas's book deserves a thread of it's own. How about looking up the page on this comment and giving us a new discussion thread. This is very interesting. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Bump......" Posted by rose on 15:52:04 7/28/2000 Carry on........ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE