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Deep Thoughts...., 1000Sparks, 11:43:28, 7/31/2000 Deep Responses, Lacey, 11:59:18, 7/31/2000, (#1) Deep Do-Do!!, shadow, 12:59:02, 7/31/2000, (#2) OK Shadow, 1000Sparks, 13:02:35, 7/31/2000, (#3) Sparks!, Sailer, 13:26:47, 7/31/2000, (#4) Hands sparks her change :), v_p, 14:00:43, 7/31/2000, (#5) The Case, Lacey, 19:55:14, 7/31/2000, (#6) Is this supposed to be the "back, Holly, 05:49:06, 8/02/2000, (#15) Who th'ell, Gemini, 12:16:14, 8/01/2000, (#9) Ah, Shadow, Watching you, 05:25:30, 8/01/2000, (#7) ....yep WY, jonesy, 11:55:11, 8/01/2000, (#8) Jonesy, what in God's wonderful creation, vikilynp, 13:03:27, 8/02/2000, (#53) My deep thoughts, canadiana, 15:05:32, 8/01/2000, (#10) .....well, jonesy, 21:04:51, 8/01/2000, (#11) Watching You, HARLEY, 04:53:38, 8/02/2000, (#12) Thanks Harley!, Sailer, 08:30:21, 8/02/2000, (#28) Hmmm, Lacey., Holly, 05:23:45, 8/02/2000, (#13) Aw, hell, Holly, Watching you, 05:41:36, 8/02/2000, (#14) Then just scroll, Holly, 05:50:33, 8/02/2000, (#16) I always do, Holly, Watching you, 06:10:44, 8/02/2000, (#17) ahaaaaaaa, 1000Sparks, 06:17:14, 8/02/2000, (#18) Yea, Harly, Watching you, 06:25:30, 8/02/2000, (#19) I mean, Watching you, 06:27:11, 8/02/2000, (#20) Hey Wait a Minute, HARLEY, 07:01:42, 8/02/2000, (#21) Hot damn, Watching you, 07:07:47, 8/02/2000, (#22) egads!, 1000Sparks, 07:36:36, 8/02/2000, (#23) Talk about fiction, Watching you, 07:42:26, 8/02/2000, (#24) 1000Sparks, Twitch, 08:22:28, 8/02/2000, (#26) I don't recall, Watching you, 07:51:13, 8/02/2000, (#25) Twitch, 1000Sparks, 08:30:06, 8/02/2000, (#27) Sparks..., Sailer, 08:36:57, 8/02/2000, (#29) 1000Sparks, Twitch, 08:43:44, 8/02/2000, (#31) She Thinks,, Lacey, 08:38:07, 8/02/2000, (#30) Or maybe,, Abra, 08:47:00, 8/02/2000, (#32) I don't think, Watching you, 09:15:52, 8/02/2000, (#33) Hey, Wy, Twitch, 09:23:26, 8/02/2000, (#34) Yikes!, 1000Sparks, 09:35:30, 8/02/2000, (#37) Hey Twitch, Watching you, 09:31:42, 8/02/2000, (#35) Justice Of The Peace, v_p, 09:36:31, 8/02/2000, (#38) Nope., Holly, 09:35:28, 8/02/2000, (#36) Holly, Watching you, 09:44:56, 8/02/2000, (#39) LOL, Lacey, 10:00:09, 8/02/2000, (#42) Wrong.., 1000Sparks, 09:53:10, 8/02/2000, (#40) Now, sparky, Watching you, 09:59:22, 8/02/2000, (#41) Watching You, 1000Sparks, 10:10:17, 8/02/2000, (#43) Well, Watching you, 10:13:37, 8/02/2000, (#44) post and run, fly, 10:38:43, 8/02/2000, (#46) So, does that, Watching you, 05:18:20, 8/03/2000, (#58) Fly, ericasf, 12:06:37, 8/02/2000, (#47) Wrong again, 1000Sparks, 10:23:23, 8/02/2000, (#45) fly, Gemini, 12:20:02, 8/02/2000, (#48) Good grief., Holly, 13:14:12, 8/02/2000, (#55) sigh, Lacey, 12:48:16, 8/02/2000, (#50) Gemini, fly, 12:46:25, 8/02/2000, (#49) fly, Gemini, 12:58:25, 8/02/2000, (#52) It's all in, ericasf, 12:52:29, 8/02/2000, (#51) Gemini, fly, 13:08:44, 8/02/2000, (#54) I was told, v_p, 15:08:15, 8/02/2000, (#56) No one who, Holly, 09:05:59, 8/03/2000, (#60) So Holly,, Gemini, 17:17:45, 8/02/2000, (#57) Don't judges, Watching you, 05:26:11, 8/03/2000, (#59) I think, Holly, 09:14:19, 8/03/2000, (#61) duh, Matt, 09:42:14, 8/03/2000, (#62) Matt., Holly, 10:49:05, 8/03/2000, (#64) May I?, starry, 10:38:19, 8/03/2000, (#63) Point-Counterpoint, Lacey, 12:00:26, 8/03/2000, (#65) To continue..., Holly, 13:42:39, 8/03/2000, (#67) Holly, Mary, Morgan, Darby, etc., Cassandra, 13:42:28, 8/03/2000, (#66) amazing , darby, 15:07:09, 8/03/2000, (#68) ........sparkiiiiii, jonesy, 16:06:37, 8/03/2000, (#69) Doggone it!, hareen, 16:47:03, 8/03/2000, (#70) What happened to, Watching you, 05:24:39, 8/04/2000, (#71) Well, if you ever find it, Holly, 05:45:59, 8/04/2000, (#73) Archives, Chris, 05:40:50, 8/04/2000, (#72) Chris and Holly, Watching you, 06:17:22, 8/04/2000, (#74) To WY, Florida, 06:51:44, 8/04/2000, (#75) Morning Wy,, Twitch, 07:06:20, 8/04/2000, (#76) Well, I'm prolly wrong,, Holly, 07:58:51, 8/04/2000, (#77) But, that's just it, Holly, Watching you, 08:25:21, 8/04/2000, (#78) FW, Holly, 09:40:22, 8/04/2000, (#81) libel on the internet, Matt, 09:35:51, 8/04/2000, (#80) And about BALANCE..., Holly, 11:30:28, 8/04/2000, (#83) Thanks for the interesting, Holly, 09:49:41, 8/04/2000, (#82) WY, fly, 09:21:18, 8/04/2000, (#79) Matt , darby, 13:06:06, 8/04/2000, (#84) Question, hareen, 14:01:24, 8/04/2000, (#85) the stunning truth, Matt, 15:45:13, 8/04/2000, (#86) Matt, darby, 18:19:00, 8/04/2000, (#87) If Only You Could All Meet Holly..., LurkerXIV, 18:53:12, 8/04/2000, (#88) Late to the party..., mary99, 01:22:43, 8/05/2000, (#89) Mary99, Anderson, 01:53:53, 8/05/2000, (#90) Do you think I need glasses?, mary99, 02:02:51, 8/05/2000, (#91) mary99, Anderson, darby, 09:41:12, 8/05/2000, (#92) hareen, darby, 12:41:27, 8/05/2000, (#93) ................................................................... "Deep Thoughts...." Posted by 1000Sparks on 11:43:28 7/31/2000 What if the JB forum continues to be so boring that we are forced to start making up stuff? What happens if the oldies don't come back and we have to listen to the "new" theories of the newbies? What happens if we all go insane? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Deep Responses" Posted by Lacey on 11:59:18 7/31/2000 What if the JB forum continues to be so boring that we are forced to start making up stuff? We don't need to make up stuff. Don't you read Holly Mame Morgan and Mary99? Me neither! LOL What happens if the oldies don't come back and we have to listen to the "new" theories of the newbies? What, would you rather listen to Holly Mame Morgan and Mary99? Me neither! LOL What happens if we all go insane? Sparky. Let me tell you this one fundamental truth, eh? When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy. (In our case, it's WY.) ..C'mon Sparks, you don't really think we'll go insane, do you? Me neither! LOL Listen, here is some very good advice WY gave me once that I will pass along to you. When it all starts to get to you? Close your eyes and press escape three times. Hope this helps Lacey I don't work here. I'm a consultant. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Deep Do-Do!!" Posted by shadow on 12:59:02 7/31/2000 Come on ladies... admit it. The fires breaking out all over the JW Forum the past couple of weeks brings back fond memories of BNF and J-7 and beats the hell out of the mundane "you are soooo smart," "you go girl," and "you are a super slueth" stuff we usually see when there's no news. The MW/FW/ST threads remind me of the WWF "Death Cage" where the last poster standing wins. :-) shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "OK Shadow" Posted by 1000Sparks on 13:02:35 7/31/2000 I'll go put my 6 cents in..... Thanks you for your deep thoughts (Lacey too) Still hope we don't go insane... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Sparks!" Posted by Sailer on 13:26:47 7/31/2000 Surely you knew that vodka counters the effects of insanity! More Gimlets!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Hands sparks her change :)" Posted by v_p on 14:00:43 7/31/2000 Lacey, you are amazing, never a boring post. Speaking of your posts, I noticed a very topic-appropriate one was removed yesterday...sup with that? Welcome back WY :P V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "The Case" Posted by Lacey on 19:55:14 7/31/2000 of the Disappearing Posts. LOL!! Thank you, v_p (am I spelling that right), I thought I was losing my mind. I could have SWORN I posted on that thread, either that or the docg poster is like, posting to his bad self, and what did I say anyway. Was it something I said? Ya think? You know what, I'll bet BayBB deleted that 'cause of my snide aside to Her Hollyness, and she had it coming after that thread she started. I do not understand why Holly and HER ILK can post all manner of depravity dissing the likes of Fleet White or whomever they decide to target, but whenever I counter-post it is immediately deleted. Happens every flocking time. Now you tell me who has the pull on that forum. And THEN she has the audacity to laugh it all off on the daily thread as she shrieks, "didn't mean it, Darby was in on it toooo," in some kind of back-pedaling effort to minimize the damage and spread the blame around. No wonder they call it a cult. They are sick women. And don't you just love how Gemini trails around after her with kiss-up remarks about how no one seems able to see the other side to this. Hello? Can we say, Hero Worship? Okay I'm done Lace . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Is this supposed to be the "back" Posted by Holly on 05:49:06 8/02/2000 pedaling" post?. "Darby has come and gone --" Posted by Holly on 15:51:25 7/30/2000 just like our THREAD! Hah! It's interesting to note the squawking at the yellow tape forum. Darby and I tried a theory that didn't necessarily involve the Rammers and now we are a "lynch mob". I yi yi! Although I strongly favor the Patsy or John or both did it angle, I am always interested in unusual theories. Nothing about this case seems easy or obvious. I keep wondering if the solution is as convoluted as the crime. ***************** If this is not the "back pedaling" post you reference, then please post the correct one, Lacey. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Who th'ell" Posted by Gemini on 12:16:14 8/01/2000 is "her" ... and what th'ell are you talking about, Lacey (who is my first choice for big time suck-up ... and she knows what I'm talking about). If it's Jonesy. I LOOOOVE Jonesy. Hey! She always did right by me (at least with the jonesy hat :-) ). ha! Bet you don't know what movie that line's from. If it's BayBB ... anybody Curious smacks around HAS to be a good-guy. If it's Holly. hmmmm ... y'lost me. Cite your sources! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Ah, Shadow" Posted by Watching you on 05:25:30 8/01/2000 shades of BNF and J-7, as you say. I actually used to love those forums, because you could really let loose on them. I find myself holding back at JW out of respect for Chris. Oh, shut up. I really do have this thing about not making life any harder for Chris than it already is, but sometimes I yearn for the old BNF days when I could just tell them all to go fluck themselves. Nothing like a good brawl to clear the senses, you know? I'm much too tame these days. What do you mean BayBB deleted a thread? I thought Chris took care of the threads. Am I confused or what? Now, listen, there are a lot of aliens at JW right now, strange and pushy aliens. I've found there are some people who need the spotlight and will kill to get it. That's basically what we have over there right now. So, let them have it, who cares? Their propaganda does not move me, I'm not interested in their self-image problems, and I'd rather be here with the sane ones. Oh, shut up, Lacey. Sparkles, you start such neat threads. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "....yep WY" Posted by jonesy on 11:55:11 8/01/2000 ....now that we have the "yahoo cult" we don't have to go to the LH cult to get our laffs and "insanity" posts - ya gotta just luv the representative from the "netherlands"(sylvia) - maybe we need to call the embassy and see if they lost their village idiot, or maybe everyone in the netherlands is like her ?????? ya gotta just luv how they all "hi-five" each other (just like the lint heads) and say "great post" just like the lintheads and "ya got mail" just like the lintheads - oh well I think ya got my meaning ! oh and if they have such wunnerful "clubs" of their own, why are they here ??(just like the LINTHEADS) ??????? nothing new and enlightning from ANY of them, just "gold nuggets" from stripped mines ...hahaha !! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Jonesy, what in God's wonderful creation" Posted by vikilynp on 13:03:27 8/02/2000 Make's you think you are better than Sylvia, or any other members on the Yahoo Board for that matter?! There happen to be some pretty intelligent posters over there that would chew you up and spit you out for breakfast, IMO. What you flame out, you'll receive 10 times fold. It's a shame that there are brainless, babbling idiots in the world such as yourself, makes the rest of us look bad. vikilynP [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "My deep thoughts" Posted by canadiana on 15:05:32 8/01/2000 This is my favourite place. I am not saying anything else because I am afraid of jonesy the most. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. ".....well" Posted by jonesy on 21:04:51 8/01/2000 .....jonesy is the sweetest, kindest, dearest lil old blue haired lady you would ever want to meet !! - and she was born in Vancouver, B.C - and her grandmother owned the BC Nickel Mine - HA! if you don't believe that...just as me ! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Watching You" Posted by HARLEY on 04:53:38 8/02/2000 you mean we are not allowed to tell people to go fluck themselves. Well I want to tell everyone that has ever ignored one of my posts (and that is everyone except Watching You, Sailer and Lurker) to go fluck themselves. I feel better now. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Thanks Harley!" Posted by Sailer on 08:30:21 8/02/2000 I'm honored to be in such special company with WY and Lurker! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Hmmm, Lacey." Posted by Holly on 05:30:06 8/02/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 05:30:06, 8/02/2000 Maybe you just read too fast. Or maybe you only read selectively, or both. I think you just like to pick fights, because it makes you feel good and, in your mind, will accomplish justice for JB in some perverse way. The thread you ridicule was posted on my computer so my name appears. I explained up front that Darby was visiting Sunday morning, and suggested the theory. Why are you calling that "back pedaling"? I said , "Huh"? Then I encouraged her to follow it through. I enjoy sharing theories with Darby, who for my money, is among the best critical thinkers at JW. Although it may seem at the far end of probability, the theory does suggest some very interesting motivation for the killing. We did talk about revenge -- the lengths criminals will go to. We did wonder if the solution to this case is something totally unexpected. And, of course, we still think there might be something to MW's claims. We are hoping someone is investigating. It is a THEORY. Part of it was suggested by MW's statements during the mame interviews. We went to Toppcat's site to see if we could re-listen and find the exact passage. The recording is no longer there. But somewhere, MW says one of her family of abusers from CA was in CO, and told her FW Sr (or someone related to a JB case figure)killed JB. That would be her mother, Gwen Boykin, who was supposed to be visiting CO at that time and who is the goddaughter of FW, Sr. What perplexes me is how mean spirited you are. You seem happiest when you are being nasty to people. Do you spend more time typing or patting yourself on the back? Why would you call Morgan a "pervert"? Does that turn you on? Is it amusing? Why would you disrupt Dawn's JR thread to snipe at me? Was that appropriate? What scares you? The unholy cartel is MW friendly? We post too much? We are not wedded to the Patsy (although she has always been at the top of my perp list) did it scenario? Why are you so threatened? You are energetic and smart. When you attack people because their theories seem stupid to you, why can't it just be, "No way, do I buy into that and here's why". Leave the sniping and anger out of it. Gemini following me around? You have to be kidding. Cite your sources. You know exactly why your post was removed. What is your source that says I'm a DC judge? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Aw, hell, Holly" Posted by Watching you on 05:41:36 8/02/2000 do we REALLY have to listen to this shit over here? I mean, can't we even have one little corner where we can gather without having MW shoved down and up and in every orifice in our bodies? We come over here to have fun and cut up a little, not to get into serious case discussion. We are pretty intelligent people here, Holly, in spite of what you may believe. Those of us who reject the gossip and trashing of FW have damn good reason to do so. And, while we're on the subject of calling people perverts, just what the hell did you call FW? Sorry, Lacey, this was yours to answer. I'm just sick of listening to this garbage. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Then just scroll" Posted by Holly on 05:50:33 8/02/2000 past posts that are of no interest to you, WY. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "I always do, Holly" Posted by Watching you on 06:10:44 8/02/2000 on the JBR forum. But, this is the WOR, and I'll not be bullied by the likes of you. Take your freaking MW shit somewhere else. Is that not clear to you? I'm sick to death of hearing about it. You came here looking for a fight, that is the only reason you are here. You've mucked up the JW forum until it's like wading through a cesspool, and now you want to stink it up here. I used to think you had half a brain. Now I know you don't. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "ahaaaaaaa" Posted by 1000Sparks on 06:17:14 8/02/2000 I still think Patsy did it. and Harley, fluck you and the bike you rode up on too. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Yea, Harly" Posted by Watching you on 06:25:30 8/02/2000 fluck your bike and the horse you sold to get it. Glad to see you could make it this morning, sparky. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "I mean" Posted by Watching you on 06:27:11 8/02/2000 Harley, as in bike. Leathers. Helmets. Start yer engines, boys.. must be the barleygreen. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Hey Wait a Minute" Posted by HARLEY on 07:04:08 8/02/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:04:08, 8/02/2000 you can fluck me but don't fluck the bike. Unless of course it is a really cold nite and you are all alone and those exhaust pipes start looking good then a Harley rider might be forced to do some strange things. Not me of course cause I've got Mr. Harley who has a great exhaust pipe himself. On another subject perhaps we can start another room "The NO MW POSTS ALLOWED ROOM" Watching You can be moderator. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Hot damn" Posted by Watching you on 07:07:47 8/02/2000 why didn't I think of that? Harley, does Mr. Harley have dual exhausts? I just wondered because you know how you are, hahahahahahahaha. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "egads!" Posted by 1000Sparks on 07:36:36 8/02/2000 Harley? Do you have to kickstart Mr.H? I thought so.... I think any stories we want to make up about Fleet should go in the Front Porch. That's where they are posting fiction I've noticed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Talk about fiction" Posted by Watching you on 07:42:26 8/02/2000 sparkles, I noticed a couple of those recipes you posted - I mean, fried pricks and intestines - even fried with peckers and onions - that's just stretching it a little, ya think? But, your idea is a good one, they could make hash out of Fleet and refy his beans. Why don't you go tell them? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "1000Sparks" Posted by Twitch on 08:22:28 8/02/2000 Sorry if my chitlin post was out of line. The truth is I'm stupid, full of shit, and my writing sucks. But I think you've already noticed all of that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "I don't recall" Posted by Watching you on 07:51:13 8/02/2000 Lacey's ever saying anything about your being a judge, Holly, I think you are hallucinating. That's interesting though, because if you really are a judge, we are in real trouble considering some of the *critical thinking* I've seen from you lately. hahahahahahahaha [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Twitch" Posted by 1000Sparks on 08:30:06 8/02/2000 I hate someone always trying to show me up and you did just that with your chitlin post. I made it and thought it sucked. Gave it to the chickens and they wouldn't even eat it. If you don't have a good recipe, stay off that thread cause you are not wanted there. You outta see what this pair of underwear I have on has in 'em! ! ! ! ! I am having a hard time identifying the foreign stuff.. oh well.... I just finished payroll. Can any of you say the same thing? Thought not... WY, I think you made Holly made. here come de judge... here come de judge... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Sparks..." Posted by Sailer on 08:36:57 8/02/2000 You're beginning to worry me.... are you ok? Kinda early for gimlets, ain't it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "1000Sparks" Posted by Twitch on 08:43:44 8/02/2000 ok [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "She Thinks," Posted by Lacey on 08:38:07 8/02/2000 Therefore, she .. ? Mean-spirited nasty pervert? Disruptive? Attacking theories? LOL Holly, projecting again? You are what you post. The evidence is in the archives. A judge in DC? What are you talking about. YOU told us you were a judge, you've been throwing that in our feces forever. Faces. You've been throwing that in our faces forever. Now. For the edification of those who might wonder what's upsetting you, Holly (lol): In the course of posting on-topic on one of the John-Dunnit threads, I briefly took issue with her latest libelous thread and queried how she ever got to the position of judge, because I think you are crazy, Holly. Some judge. Not even gonna go there. Sorry, I guess that would be an insult to crazy people everywhere. Whatever! I don't have time to deal with you now. And no it's not that I'm rude or arrogant. You're just insignificant. Get over me Lacey . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Or maybe," Posted by Abra on 08:47:00 8/02/2000 she is just throwing feces in our faces. Ya think? Abra [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "I don't think" Posted by Watching you on 09:15:52 8/02/2000 I can take anymore, youse guys, I'm losing it. Oh, I did that already. That's right. Hey sparky, I know what, every time Twitch says she's sorry, let's womp her one, you wannna? Say you want to, sparky. Listen, Twitch, sorry doesn't cut it here in the WOR. We aren't sorry for one damn thing here - only if we have to be nice. Now, that's something to be sorry for, IMSO, right, jones? Lacey, you mean all you did was say the P(ervert) word? Hell, if I remember right, Hol and the gang damned that damned FW all to hell, said he was a freaking child molester, a pervert, and some words I can't even repeat because I don't know what they mean. Guess that's okay, though, right? Sparky, what do you have on your unders? Little umbrellas? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Hey, Wy" Posted by Twitch on 09:23:26 8/02/2000 I'm sorr...nevermind. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Yikes!" Posted by 1000Sparks on 09:35:30 8/02/2000 I'm not in a mean mood today. Watching You, I think Twit means what she says so better leave her alone. I think she's the parent of those V people that are around here. Why is there so much lying going on in here? I look so pretty today and everyone else thinks so too. Actually, stunning is the word. Gotta go change undies.... again.... jeesh... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Hey Twitch" Posted by Watching you on 09:31:42 8/02/2000 wom....nevermind. LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Justice Of The Peace" Posted by v_p on 09:36:31 8/02/2000 or Judge. One, JP, is elected, right? I heard Judge too. Lacey, your post was the only one on the thread that made sense, IMO. Are you in time-out? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Nope." Posted by Holly on 09:35:28 8/02/2000 You can't provide a reference, because one does not exist. Say what you want. Although much of it is mid boggling to me, if it advances justice for JonBenet and other child victims, not even I will whine. So far as Fleet White goes, long before MW showed up, Anne Louise Bardach in her VANITY FAIR article, touched on the belief that FW has a dark side. Someday maybe all the facts will be known. Until then it's worth probing and discussing. I'm not interesed in muffling opposing points of view. But what is gained by the nasty edge? And I never told anyone on this or any forum that I was a DC judge. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Holly" Posted by Watching you on 09:44:56 8/02/2000 Lacey's in time out right now, so she can't come to the phone. She'll be allowed back later, I think. Did you know EVERYONE has a dark side? Everyone, Holly, even me, even you. Society demands we control our dark sides. Mine is more light than dark, but it's definitely there. So is yours. My side's lighter than your side, my side's lighter than yours, my side's lighter than your side, and my dog's better than yours, too. hahahahahahah [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "LOL" Posted by Lacey on 10:00:09 8/02/2000 C'mon youse guys, puhleeeeeeez don't start that time-out rumor you will make it look like I did something wrong! And what IS IT with this perpetual pedo poster calling the kettle black, eh? Give it arrest willya????? I am leaving now. I am not in time-out. I will be back. I will be back. I will be back. This is a recording, flol Lace . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Wrong.." Posted by 1000Sparks on 09:53:10 8/02/2000 I do not, repeat, do not have a dark side. I don't even pick my nose when I'm alone. Speak for yourself, Watching You, you don't know everything. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Now, sparky" Posted by Watching you on 09:59:22 8/02/2000 remember the time you thought bad things about [ ] I can't reveal? That was your nasty rotten dark side.But, you're right, you're pretty much a light. You don't pick your nose? Neither do I. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Watching You" Posted by 1000Sparks on 10:10:17 8/02/2000 That was not a dark side, it was stating facts about someone who brags about things that don't exist. That's not a dark side, Watching You, try again [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Well" Posted by Watching you on 10:13:37 8/02/2000 then, how about some of those fake recipes you gave out to the unsuspecting on the Front Porch? You don't think that's dark? That's real dark, sparky, that just about the darkest. They trusted you, sparky, and you fed them hog slop. How dark can you go? I am appalled. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "post and run" Posted by fly on 10:38:43 8/02/2000 FYI- Holly never said she was a judge, although that is the most likely conclusion people would draw from her comments about deciding bail, dealing with lawyers, etc. In some places there are "magistrates" that deal with a lot of the routine or preliminary court stuff. Basically stuff that can be handled by somebody other than a regular trial judge. I guess this is the point at which I'm supposed to insult somebody or say something nasty, given I'm in the WOR...Naw, you guys aren't worth it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "So, does that" Posted by Watching you on 05:18:20 8/03/2000 mean Holly is a magistrate, Fly? You're right. We are not worth it. Why do you bother? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Fly" Posted by ericasf on 12:06:37 8/02/2000 LOL! I love your moxie! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Wrong again" Posted by 1000Sparks on 10:23:23 8/02/2000 Those were real secret recipes given to me by a secret person. Have YOU tried any of theM? I know, you are a health finantic and eat good things and lost some weight and so what? I have work to do, not like the rest of you people. No dark side here, nopey nope.... I should have been a nun.. let us pray [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "fly" Posted by Gemini on 12:20:02 8/02/2000 The idea Holly was a judge started because she posted certain things would not be allowed in HER court. Several folks immediately jumped on that and posted things like "... should have known you were a judge", and "glad to know we have a judge here" ... and (oops) she didn't correct them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Good grief." Posted by Holly on 13:14:12 8/02/2000 Did I actually cap HER/MY? That was certainly stupid and misleading. I do remember that exchange of posts, but I think Panico jumped into the fray, so I'm not sure I posted after that. If anyone thinks I am actually into the creative construction of information and posts, please let me know at holly1565@yahoo.com. If something seems to be missing or bullchit, ask me about it. What's the point of an information exchange and a search for the truth if things are left out or mis-understood? I'm curious. What additional data did Baybb and the others find that I or others omitted? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "sigh" Posted by Lacey on 12:48:16 8/02/2000 Thanks Gemini for that clarification. I also recall delusions du grandeur on a fairly flagrant Lily-Holly-NYL rant from some time ago. Holly has a tendency to leave out pertinent data to enhance her position in many many areas. As long as we know that, we can deal with it. Many of us here are not deterred by her admonishments to "scroll." We confront incorrect information with data and proof. Congratulations and kudos to Florida, BayBB and others who have obtained documentation that Holly and Her Ilk couldn't or wouldn't provide. Fly, that was a low blow. LOL Lacey . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Gemini" Posted by fly on 12:46:25 8/02/2000 I don't remember responses quite that explicit, but it's been quite some time, so I might have forgotten. That's a bit different. However, she did post (to me) at least once, and not too long afterward, that she wasn't a regular judge. Perhaps some people missed that. The "my court" sort of comment is exactly why I said the common, but incorrect, conclusion was very reasonable. ericasf - Compliments in the WOR? Not allowed, I think. Better watch it, or sparky & jonesy will be back on your tail. (BTW - I do hope your comment wasn't inspired by the mistaken belief that I was seriously insulting anybody.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "fly" Posted by Gemini on 12:58:25 8/02/2000 Yep, on that particular thread, the *ss kissing was pretty blatant. I did poke around a little (as is my way ... poking is a nice way to say goading, Lacey ... please keep that in mind), but didn't get anywhere in regard to clarification. Glad to hear you did and sorry I missed those posts. Do you think your memory banks need an overhaul, fly? If I didn't keep mine charged up to remember every word (pause, nuance) of conversations with my daughters, I'd be in deep trouble. Do they teach spin in school now? Sometimes it seems they must. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "It's all in" Posted by ericasf on 12:52:29 8/02/2000 good fun. See, I'm catching on!!!!!!! I wasn't being serious because I know that if you were actually being serious about us not being worth it, you would have been slaughtered! Or, in your case, swatted. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Gemini" Posted by fly on 13:08:44 8/02/2000 LOL! Spin, spitting hairs, and victimization, judging by my oldest son's reasoning. Maybe that's what has replaced the basic reading, writing, etc. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "I was told" Posted by v_p on 15:08:15 8/02/2000 by someone who attended the get-together that Holly is a Judge. Can't imagine why they would have told me that. They weren't sure before they went what her occupation was. She hasn't denied being a Judge here anyway, she's only denied being a Judge in DC. Guess it all depends on what your definition of "is," is. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "No one who" Posted by Holly on 09:05:59 8/03/2000 attended the get together is relaying information from me. I don't think the occupations of anyone were discussed. Most of the time we talked case, took pictures, and taped stuff for Toppcat. Those in attendance included mame, Chris, Morgan, Starry, Earthangel, Momo, Yellowbird, Jerryz, mary99, PegB, ericasf, Sherryf135, Ginja, and guests. JWers who called during the weekend included Pretzel, Janphi, Tamster, Frankg and 1000Sparks. There was no clique, no secret cartel, no MW secret society sharing things. Everyone was invited. Last yeat I hosted a dinner meeting with alot of the same people. We heard a talk by Homicide Detective Rich Alban. This year I asked the FBI to provide a speaker. It was very informative, although not as Ramsey specific as I would have liked. I am a Judicial Officer with the District Court in MD. Not a Judge, however. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "So Holly," Posted by Gemini on 17:17:45 8/02/2000 let's just clear the air on this once and for all. Are you, in fact, a judge? p.s. The all-caps emphasis in the prior post is mine, to show the specific word usage that allowed for misunderstanding. I don't even have a gripe with you about that ... just that you should have taken it upon yourself to clarify when it became obvious people were moving in the wrong direction (if you are not a judge). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "Don't judges" Posted by Watching you on 05:26:11 8/03/2000 have certain moral and ethical responsibilities not to slander and libel people who have been accused of nothing? If Holly is a judge, knowing what I now know about her propensity to gossip, slander, jump to conclusions, and speculate, I'd not wish her to be MY judge. Are you a judge, Holly? I only ask because it seems as if you have given others that impression. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "I think" Posted by Holly on 09:14:19 8/03/2000 those standards apply to everyone. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "duh" Posted by Matt on 09:42:14 8/03/2000 Holly you said: "I am always interested in unusual theories." Unusual theories and accusing an innocent person of murder on an internet forum are two different things. To the best of my knowledge that is libel. Was Mrs Boykin ever even considered a murder suspect? Not to my knowledge. You're putting Justice Watch and Chris on the line, NOT YOU or your buddies who like to trash innocent people with "unusual theories". Who the hell do you think is going to take the hit if this forum is sued? CHRIS. And where will you be when she's served with a lawsuit? I even saw you post up that Daphne was nude (later claiming it was "from a good source" but NOT CONFIRMED you said) with an implication that her dad had done something questionable to cause this. What kind of evilness is that? Is that another game of "unusual theories"? To "get" FW you drag Daphne in the murk. THAT was lowdown. I still can't get over that one, but I saw the same evil minded bullshit happen on BNF when Lori's little baby was trashed innocently. All by a bunch of lowlifes with no life and no common decency. Lastly, if your post above is your actual occupation, then don't go pissing and moaning later when it is thrown back in your face in some way and whining "why is my occupation on the internet". The internet is FULL of shitheads and the Swamp is just slithering with them waiting for personal info to use on you later. Learn to share your private life with ONLY those you trust (I TRUST FIVE PEOPLE) and NOT all over a forum only to "wonder" the why's later. But then, perhaps you don't care, seeing's how you "love the Swampers" so much so as to quote their swarmy asses. I wasn't going to get into this screaming match over this crap but I have been really pissed ever since I saw Daphne dragged in the mud. I'm still pissed. Now I'm pissed triple for having to recall the events of Lori's baby again. And it was tough getting in this place too.I got carded at the door and had to promise I'd cuss. Hunter is an SOB. And so is DeMuth. And the Swamp is loaded with bitches. I feel lots better now. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Matt." Posted by Holly on 10:49:05 8/03/2000 >Holly you said: "I am always interested >in unusual theories." True. >Unusual theories and accusing an innocent person >of murder on an internet forum >are two different things. To the >best of my knowledge that is >libel. Was Mrs Boykin ever even >considered a murder suspect? Once again. Darby and I met on Sunday. Darby asked the question and I have to admit it sure never crossed my mind. Of course you know the sequence because you read the thread. Right? We talked about how that could work. It's true the BPD went to CA to interview her related to MW's claim that she was in CO (near Boulder) on 12/25/96. I think she says she was there on Halloween. Prolly if you re-listen to the mame/MW interviews you can get the gist of this. I did specualate that if there was some weird stuff going on in the sex ring (if one exists) maybe blackmail or revenge could work as a motive. Still, it seems a longshot to me. Before I would post a thread, we searched on Gwen boykin and found lake had mentioned the name< I think on 7/31/00. Darby was pretty sure there have been other mentions. Not to >my knowledge. You're putting Justice Watch >and Chris on the line, NOT >YOU or your buddies who like >to trash innocent people with "unusual >theories". Who the hell do you >think is going to take the >hit if this forum is sued? I think getting sued for Burke did it is more likely. But I wouldn't think an internet discussion forum discussing players in a high profile murder mystery can really be seen as malicious libelers. But if you can cite some case law, I would be interested in knowing how many times an internet forum has been successfully sued for libel. >CHRIS. And where will you be >when she's served with a lawsuit? I'll prolly be staring at my own. > >I even saw you post up that >Daphne was nude (later claiming it >was "from a good source" but >NOT CONFIRMED you said) No. Morgan posted that originally. I clarified it was from another poster who considered the source good, but it was not confirmed, which I think is important to do. I've even filed a couple of FOIAs for other things. with an >implication that her dad had done >something questionable to cause this. Are you sure that's right? I thought she was supposed to be in a bathroom, where being nude wouldn't be too weird. What >kind of evilness is that? Is >that another game of "unusual theories"? >To "get" FW you drag Daphne >in the murk. THAT was lowdown. Once again, Matt. Morgan posted the original info last March, I think. I told her I didn't think that was a hot idea because there was no police report or public statement to verify it. I've also been emailed "inside stuff", but I don't put alot of it up, until I make a call or two or try to get something to verify it. An example would be my info on the Roswell 911 call. I called the responding officer and posted what he said, not the original "scoop". >I still can't get over that >one, but I saw the same >evil minded bullshit happen on BNF >when Lori's little baby was trashed >innocently. All by a bunch of >lowlifes with no life and no >common decency. >Lastly, if your post above is your >actual occupation, then don't go pissing >and moaning later when it is >thrown back in your face in >some way and whining "why is >my occupation on the internet". I was "whining" that judge WAS NOT my occupation. The >internet is FULL of shitheads Are you calling me a "shithead", Matt? Sigh. Well I suppose I've been called that and worse... and >the Swamp is just slithering with >them waiting for personal info to >use on you later. Learn to >share your private life with ONLY >those you trust (I TRUST FIVE >PEOPLE) and NOT all over a >forum only to "wonder" the why's >later. But then, perhaps you don't >care, seeing's how you "love the >Swampers" so much so as to >quote their swarmy asses. >I wasn't going to get into this >screaming match over this crap but >I have been really pissed ever >since I saw Daphne dragged in >the mud. If you were so pissed, Matt, why didn't you email me? I'm still pissed. Now >I'm pissed triple for having to >recall the events of Lori's baby >again. >And it was tough getting in this >place too.I got carded at the >door and had to promise I'd >cuss. Hunter is an SOB. And >so is DeMuth. And the Swamp >is loaded with bitches. >I feel lots better now. I'm glad. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "May I?" Posted by starry on 10:38:19 8/03/2000 Say something? I'm going to anyhow, and I'll probably get jumped on, but I don't care. Jump all you want. Holly, to the best of my knowledge, has never claimed she was a judge. She has stated that she's a Judical officer. Which, in MD is similar to a magistrate. I've stated that I work in a Nuclear Power Plant. That doesn't mean I'm a Nuclear Physist. If anyone wants to know, all they have to do is ask me and I'll try to explain the world of contractors in a Nuclear Power Plant to them. I could be sweeping the floor one day and the next I could be assisting with Safety Relief Valve repair. I think there are some people on the forum who like to play games, lie and boast about imaginary things, but Holly is not one of those people. I've been to her home. I've invited her to mine. Anyone who wishes to meet me is welcome to come to MD and I'll be glad to meet with them. I'd probably invite you to my house and have you stay for dinner. I think that goes a long way in establishing credibility with our fellow posters. Perhaps you don't. Maybe you aren't as open as I am. I have nothing to hide. I also have no concrete theory or sequence of events in the murder of Jon'benet. I just think the Ramsey's did it. Because I haven't worked out a series of events means I am not entitled to my opinion? I think not. If Holly and or others believe or want to investigate the theory that FW might be involved with this crime, why is that a bad thing? Do you want this forum to be one where everyone thinks alike? I, personally don't like to see everyone fighting and attacking each other with their snippy little remarks. But I learned a long time ago, I can't mother the entire world and the best advice I can give someone who doesn't like what someone says or posts is to scroll. Or post back and expect to be answered. If someone attacks me, I'm damn sure going to bite back. I just don't see the necessity of always being negative and nasty. Guess that what turns some people on, eh? Well, I've had my say and I don't think China will delete my post, even if I didn't cuss or hurt anyone's feelings. Remember, behind these screens are real live people with real live feelings. peace and huggs, starry [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "Point-Counterpoint" Posted by Lacey on 12:16:01 8/03/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:16:01, 8/03/2000 Matt, did they take your shirt too? De riguer for males entering the WOR zone. Excoozay-mwa and pardon my French, but what was done to Fleet White on this forum hardly qualifies as "investigating the theory that Fleet White might be involved in this crime," so how about let's stop trying to trivialize that issue, eh? Again I say, the proof's in the archives. Holly posted that the BPD left the FW Pedo issue wide open. Bullshit! Mark Beckner his bad self stated that there was no evidence that Fleet White was involved in any kind of sexual-abuse scenario, but noooooooo, that doesn't stop Holly. Or her ilk. She is persuasive and they are impressionable and there you have it. >I've also been emailed "inside stuff", but I don't put alot of it up, >until I make a call or two or try to get something to verify it. Oh, bullshit. The Roswell stuff was good to be sure, go ahead and boast, but it took the work of sleuths like Florida and BayBB on archived threads like Victims and Mame's Rant (paraphrasing here) to stand up to speculation and get the truth out. You said this information was not available. I challenged Mame weeks ago on her assertion that only MW could "release" the information!! And I was right. Sleuths on this forum FOUND the information, and they POSTED IT. Only to have Mame diss them and hint that they probably obtained it illegally, more bullshit. You know, I have tried to give them credit, these MW posters who love to bash Fleet, but they don't make it easy! Heck, I even went back and listened to some of Mame's "interviews" but they are so problematic -- for example, Mame had to correct MW so many times on her facts that I had to give up, left laughing! This is cutting edge journalism? LOL! I don't give a flock if Holly is a judge or a magistrate or a court clerk or whatever. I think I called it pretty close, judge in district court, eh?, but like I said before, how she got there is anybody's guess. I can only imagine the criteria Lacey . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "To continue..." Posted by Holly on 13:42:39 8/03/2000 > > > > NOTE: >This message was last edited 12:16:01, >8/03/2000 > > > Matt, did they >take your shirt too? De >riguer for males entering the WOR >zone. >Excoozay-mwa and pardon my French, but what >was done to Fleet White on >this forum hardly qualifies as "investigating >the theory that Fleet White might >be involved in this crime," so >how about let's stop trying to >trivialize that issue, eh? Again >I say, the proof's in the >archives. >Holly posted that the BPD left the >FW Pedo issue wide open. >Bullshit! Mark Beckner his bad >self stated that there was no >evidence that Fleet White was involved >in any kind of sexual-abuse scenario, >but noooooooo, that doesn't stop Holly. When did i call FW a pedo? Can you please post that quote ot the link where I can read it? Also, if you are referencing the 2000 press release, I think the press release says that there is no evidence to say the Ramseys are in a sex ring and no evidence to say the Whites killed JonBenet. I could be forgetful, but I don't think Beckner ever made such a sweeping statement. Could be wrong. > Or her ilk. She >is persuasive and they are impressionable >and there you have it. >>I've also been emailed "inside stuff", but >I don't put alot of it >up,>until I make a call or >two or try to get something >to verify it. >Oh, bullshit. The Roswell stuff was >good to be sure, go ahead >and boast, but it took the >work of sleuths like Florida and >BayBB on archived threads like Victims >and Mame's Rant (paraphrasing here) to >stand up to speculation and get >the truth out. You said >this information was not available. When did I say that? And WHY did I say that? I think generally court records, if properly applied for, can be provided. Court records involving juvenile defendants cannot, as far as I know. CA has a recent statute that has provided a protocol that a juvenile victim's name must be withheld from documents, or only provided under seal with a convincing need to know letter. If a juvenile's name appears on a provided document, it's a crime. The only thing I saw on LP's stuff was the name blacked out. This is a fairly new statute and I don't know how or if it has been applied. A warning on obtaining records. Different states have different regulations. If you apply for a complete court record, including the trial transcript, it could be cost prohibitive. If you can see a record and if the record has "keypoints", you can use the keypoint numbers to sharpen your focus. If you can tell by the "Event history" what you are interested in reading about, just refer to the numbers that might appear in the history as keypoints. The transcriber will only transcribe the kepypointed portion and save you bucks. >I challenged Mame weeks ago on >her assertion that only MW could >"release" the information!! And I >was right. Sleuths on this >forum FOUND the information, and they >POSTED IT. Only to have >Mame diss them and hint that >they probably obtained it illegally, more >bullshit. It is possible that if the juvenile victim's name appeared in docs, it's illegal. >You know, I have tried to give >them credit, these MW posters who >love to bash Fleet, but they >don't make it easy! Heck, >I even went back and listened >to some of Mame's "interviews" but >they are so problematic -- for >example, Mame had to correct MW >so many times on her facts >that I had to give up, >left laughing! This is cutting >edge journalism? LOL! That's odd. I too, went back to Toppcat's site and did not find the MW interviews? Where did you find them, or did you download and save? >I don't give a flock if Holly >is a judge or a magistrate >or a court clerk or whatever. > I think I called it >pretty close, judge in district court, >eh?, but like I said before, >how she got there is anybody's >guess. I can only imagine >the criteria >Lacey. > [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "Holly, Mary, Morgan, Darby, etc." Posted by Cassandra on 13:42:28 8/03/2000 There are certainly some interesting theories about FW and family, and others... I am very interested in finding out how it all comes out. In the meantime, I appreciate all the research and interviews done and brought to us here, to our fingertips, so to speak. I am of the wait and see persuasion. I am interested in all these theories, and hope that we get to the truth, eventually. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "amazing " Posted by darby on 15:07:09 8/03/2000 Cassie--You are such a sweet person! Like you, I just want all of the truth to come to light. As for some of the others here, this rabid hatred is so out of hand, it's almost funny. I know Holly personally, and she doesn't have a mean-spirited bone in her body. I'm tired of repeating everything else. All I can say is that a lot of you are picking the wrong fight and apparently don't really understand any of us who are interested in delving into a possible new facet of the case. And I don't think explaining our reasons a million more times would make any difference. Your minds are made up, and nothing I can say will change that. I'm truly glad I don't know some of you in the real world. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "........sparkiiiiii" Posted by jonesy on 16:06:37 8/03/2000 ...quit hiding out in the hen house - you started this dastardly thread and made all these people come down here....now you are causing Yung to have a meltdown again(remember that ?) it is YOUR fault that nobody will answer her post #15 on whatever thread, cause they are too busy being hell ascious down here - for shame - so all the oldies/goodies came out of lurk mode to say HI! was good to see them all - but - ya don't see them posting on all the umpteen newbie threads - wonder why >>>>>>>>> [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "Doggone it!" Posted by hareen on 16:47:03 8/03/2000 I don't think Holly deserves the bashing she's getting, so I'm going to jump in here, too, and add my support to her and others interested in the MW angle. I have no idea whether MW has uttered a true word, but I'm GLAD people are looking closely at Fleet and what might be motivating some of his strange (IMO) behavior. I'm happy to have people explore any avenue - MW included. I'm interested in her myself, and am waiting for more news -- one way or the other. And whichever way it goes, it's interesting to me. Very. Certainly not less so if she turns out to be lying. Saying more (which is tempting) seems pointless. I just felt like a wimp watching this and not speaking up. So I did. And I also remember Holly saying she wasn't a judge. So there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "What happened to" Posted by Watching you on 05:24:39 8/04/2000 the archives? Holly, I distinctly remember you're going off one day and calling FW a pedophile, a pervert; you called him some vile names and damned him all to hell. I saw it, it pissed me off, I remember it. Unfortunately, the archives have been cut down to three threads, I suspect it was getting too full of garbage. I have never minded good debate on just about any subject regarding this case, including the FW's, but I'll be damned if I'm going to participate in any thread that has the potential to do so much harm, such as the ones perpetrated and pushed by a certain few. It was one thing to bring this MW to light and discuss her, but it was quite another to keep starting thread after thread of vile accusations against FW without a shred of proof, just runaway speculation. To date, no one has shown one speck of evidence that FW (or his father) ever abused MW in any way, nor has any proven link been given between the murder of JBR and the MW fiasco. I'm really sick of this shit. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "Well, if you ever find it" Posted by Holly on 05:45:59 8/04/2000 even I would like to read it again. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. Posts that I have saved don't read like that at all. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Archives" Posted by Chris on 05:40:50 8/04/2000 Watching You, You're right, I had to cull the archived threads to free up space. No time to go through thread by thread so I just lopped it off at a certain point. I really do hope to find time to make all of the archived threads available to forum members, either by providing them for download or on a CD or something. In the meantime, if there is a thread you're looking for and you can remember the general date and any other details (such as key words) I will be glad to search for it. Of course, that doesn't always work...for instance I haven't been able to find the old "braided cord" discussion yet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "Chris and Holly" Posted by Watching you on 06:17:22 8/04/2000 Chris, I don't know which thread it was, and it's not all that important to me to go searching through - you've got enough to do without arbitrating disputes over simple stuff like this. I had thought to muddle through the archives myself - I don't expect anyone else to do my work for me. Holly, if it was not you, I will apologize to you, but I'm pretty certain it was. I remember because the discussion on MW had gotten really warped (IMO) that day, the frenzy was growing, someone posted something about FW, and the response was awful. What I wrote above was only the gist of it - if I remember correctly, the writer vehemently proclaimed him to be a pedophile and a pervert and said he should pay for his crimes, in so many words not so nice. I wasn't a long post, but it completely turned me off and is one of the reasons I knew this discussion was out of control and a potential hotbed for a lawsuit from FW. You say you want case law for lawsuit on internet. You know there are none. The internet is young - yet to be tested. Do you honestly think FW doesn't know about these posts against him and his father? Do you think him to be a stupid man? Maybe he has printed them out, maybe he hasn't. I heard he HAS seen an attorney regarding this issue. You just can't go around making accusations like this - no matter how you cut it, it is libel, or is it slander? One is oral, one is written, I don't remember. But, it's a damn good way to get sued, and I'm not getting sued over the stupidity of others. Even insinuating that FW is a pedophile is walking in dangerous territory. That isn't discussion - that is blatent disregard for the rights of another human being who is not a suspect in any crime. Put yourself in FW's place, if you will. Hell, I don't know FW from Adam - don't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy, and neither do you and the rest of the FW bashers here. And, please, do not tell me it hasn't been a FW bash fest here. It most certainly has been, and it's wrong. There is nothing much worse than being labeled a child molester/pervert/pedophile. It's a serious charge, one not to be used lightly, even in a what-if situation. You and your cohorts have damaged this man's reputation without proof. That's wrong, and I don't give a damn who doesn't like the truth. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "To WY" Posted by Florida on 06:51:44 8/04/2000 a STANDING O. Bravo, kudos, flowers thrown at your feet. You said what needs to be said. On a post since the group met at Holly's (3 weeks or so?) Momo called FW a pervert. After being called on it she kind of admitted it was wrong, however the damage was already done. Mary99 and Morgan have been voceriferous in their name calling and trashing of FW. There is just something inherently wrong in doing what has been done to the entire White family without any evidence whatsoever. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "Morning Wy," Posted by Twitch on 07:06:20 8/04/2000 Maybe NYL's thread should be required reading around here. "According to Georgia statute, a statement is "reasonably susceptible" of a defamatory meaning when "tending to injure the reputation of the person and exposing him to public hatred, contempt, or ridicule." O.C.G.A. 51-5-1" I'm sure most states have similar statutes. Have a great weekend. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "Well, I'm prolly wrong," Posted by Holly on 07:58:51 8/04/2000 but I don't think FW will ever sue anyone. Yes, suits against internet forums are rare if any exist at all. The forums are still very limited exposure that rarely have any effect on general public thought. And I think for the most part they are considered conversation forums, as opposed to running a story that is false in a newspaper or tabloid. Mainly I like to take off on the Rammers. I'm pretty sure I have referred to them as freaks more than once. That's because there is no way on earth, IMO, they did not kill their daughter for know who did. The best evidence points to Patsy - and always has. Of course if I had just opened my long distance phone bill, anything could have popped out... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "But, that's just it, Holly" Posted by Watching you on 08:25:48 8/04/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:25:48, 8/04/2000 the Rams have exposed themselves to this kind of ridicule - they've craved the spotlight, made fools of themselves, been officially named as being "under the umbrella of suspicion," an asinine way of saying they are suspects in their daughter's murder, written a book, and generally opened themselves up for whatever they get. Can you tell me one instance, just one, where the Whites have done the same? Good Lord, they have never opened their mouths except to bitch about a worthless district attorney. Everyone made a big issue about that - well, I also think Alex Hunter is not only worthless as a DA, I think he is corrupt. But, I regress, the issue is, FW is not a public figure. It was like watching vultures pick apart a carcass - my God, it was a relentless attack on someone none of you even know. Holly, even if there were some truth to the accusations against FW, which I do NOT believe by any means, but even if there were - he has not been charged with any crime. You and others defamed him. You disgraced him. You drove that knife in over and over and over. If I were FW, I would come after you with everything I had. I'm not kidding. And, I'd win. Because, even though you say this isn't public as in newspapers or something, the whole damn world can read here. Guess what, we're global. Imagine that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "FW" Posted by Holly on 09:40:22 8/04/2000 Can do whatever he thinks is wise. He can sue THE DAILY CAMERA, MW, Mary Bienkowski, Lee Hill, FOX TV, Mark Beckner, Hunter, internet posters, Anne Louise Bardach, Pam Griffin. But I don't think he ever will. Your assurance that if it were up to you, you would sue, is to say that you know beyond any doubt that none of the anti-White claims is true. I don't think that is an informed statement - yet. If FW emerges from this horrible drama pure as driven snow, if MW is exposed as a liar most foul, if the Rammers don't get prosecuted -- no one will be more surprised than me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "libel on the internet" Posted by Matt on 09:35:51 8/04/2000 Quote I found: "Libel is "any false and malicious written or printed statement tending to injure a person's reputation unjustly," and the United States Supreme Court has ruled that the First Amendment right to freedom of speech does not protect one from libel. " Accusing Gwen Boykin of murder is libelous as I understand libel. The woman has not even been named a suspect, no evidence released linking her to the crime. Hello? It is my opinion that posting libelous remarks can cause Chris to be sued for them being placed on JW. As to whether that opinion (of her being sued) is accurate or not I certainly can't say since I am not a lawyer. In actuality, probably what would happen is the server owners that house JW would receive lawsuit notification, and Chris would be drawn into the suit by being forum moderator. If I am wrong and Chris is not open for suits, then that's great. I'd prefer to know the people who are doing the libeling would be sued with no harm to JW or her. Unfortunately, I don't think it would fall down that way. Question: Who here is willing to put her at risk to see? Only RST members, Swamp assholes, and similar ilk is what I think. Saying that "major players are fair game" is wrong. That line has been trotted out for years. Burke Ramsey is a "major player" but the Ramseys are suing, and winning, over how he was libeled and slandered. In addition, Gwen Boykin is a "major player" only in the minds of certain people. As for forums -- or ISP's or even people being sued for "Libel on the Internet" -- all I had to do was type "libel on the internet" into a search engine last night and out popped 1000s of links. Here's just a few: http://www.qlinks.net/items/qlitem6378.htm A man who spread Internet messages alleging one of his former teachers was a paedophile has been jailed for 21/2 years. He sent the messages to Internet bulletin sites and by email to another teacher in his former school. It was the first case of its kind to come before Dublin Circuit Criminal Court. 9 January 2000 http://au.yahoo.com/headlines/20000629/nbtech/962245560-2551095349.html http://www.vnunet.com/News/601517 http://wings.buffalo.edu/Complaw/CompLawPapers/holland.html http://www.bizreport.com/news/1999/05/990527-4.htm http://www.sltrib.com/2000/jun/06212000/utah/60811.htm "People have the right to speak freely unless it damages other people," said Beaver County Attorney Leo Kanell. http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_8319.html http://www.workz.com/misc/ht1.asp Do I think Mrs Boykin will sue you Holly? Hell if I know. Do I think she should? Well let me put it this way: If you (or anybody else) were to start some bullshit thread libeling me, I would sue you in a New York minute. And I wouldn't care if it cost me thousands of dollars and I only won 2 dollars back. The same would apply if I were handed libelous bullshit said about me in a chat room or in email. You play with fire, you get burned. Harming a person's reputation is vicious and some of you don't seem to give a damn about it. The internet has given people a false sense of security in thinking they can go to message boards under assumed hats and assault one's reputation and good name. Thankfully, this kind of bullshit is going to eventually grind to a hault because people ARE suing and they ARE winning. And I'm still pissed that Daphne was dragged into the mud while trying to run over FW. That was lowdown and hateful. An innocent child. Sickening. I hope those of you who participated in that are real proud of yourself. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 83. "And about BALANCE..." Posted by Holly on 11:30:28 8/04/2000 For years Fleet White has enjoyed nearly diety status. Each White letter and fresh diatribe was greeted with loads of internet support. Even his mute appearances before the City Council to listent o Hunter's budget, was described by mame as an example of "quiet dignity". And yes, at JW. Every perceived "malicious" jab is met with many more reverent and supportive replies. Even with the MW uproar and the vaguely worded BPD press release, there are dozens who support White no matter what is presented. In fact, FW has scarecly ever felt the sting of posters who don't think too much of him, compared to the deafening applause. No matter how he behaves, someone is there to remind us that Fleet symbolizes best, the struggle for justice for JB. There is always someone to remind us that JB didn't end up dead in HIS basement. For each detractor there are a dozen or more fans. Bark all you want Matt, but FW will never be able to say JW posters maligned him and libeled him. Because on balance the exact opposite can be demonstrated. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "Thanks for the interesting" Posted by Holly on 09:49:41 8/04/2000 links. I'm not sure, but didn't the title ask a question, and invite discussion Matt? That is not the same as maliciously waging an electronic hate mail campaign, making accusatory statements that are proved or admitted to be false. The point is the law tolerates discussion on a wide variety of inflammatory topics as freedom of speech. Malicious intent and accusatory statements are different. Darby and I only intended to provoke discussion on what, I feel, is a longshot theory at best. We asked a question, Matt and posed a theory. You're implying we said "Gwen Boykin killed JBR. We know this for a fact." That was not said. Frankly, I think there was a bit of an over reaction from some posters. I didn't see a single interesting door open. So far as Daphne. I feel far worse for Burke. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "WY" Posted by fly on 09:21:18 8/04/2000 WY- Just wanted to answer your last question to me so that there's no misunderstanding about what Holly did or did not say back then. Holly did not say specifically she was a magistrate. She indicated that my description was on the right track, similar, or something like that. That was fair enough, IMO: pretty clearly reinforced she wasn't a judge, but left her some privacy as to her exact position. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 84. "Matt " Posted by darby on 13:06:06 8/04/2000 So far as Daphne is concerned, whether or not the rumor concerning the time she went missing is true, nobody would have ill will toward DAPHNE based on what was said. Indeed, the concern has been FOR Daphne. The question has been whether MW's Alleged Abuser could possibly have access to Daphne. So to say that anyone has been dragging this innocent child in the mud is excessive. I know you feel quite sure that MW does not have an Alleged Abuser, but others here at the forum are not quite that confident. We'd rather err on the side of overly-cautious when it comes to a child's potential abuse. You may not agree with us, but please understand where we are coming from. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 85. "Question" Posted by hareen on 14:01:24 8/04/2000 As far as libel is concerned, I'm not sure I'm seeing the distinction between a Gwen Boykin-did-it theory being posted and a Santa-did-it or a Burke-did-it theory. And the talk about Fleet doesn't seem that much different from a lot of talk in the past like, "Is Susan Stine a lesbian?" or "Michael Bynum looks sleazy, I'm just sure he is somehow involved." I think we can all agree that most figures in this case have been wondered about from time to time in ways that aren't very flattering. And the truth is that it's hard to be internet sleuths and not throw around theories about people. I know what has been implied about Fleet is somewhat worse than a suggestion that since Pasta Jay has a temper and attacks people with baseball bats, he is worth considering as the perp. But, from the standpoint of the law, how is it different? Matt, have you been worried about Chris being sued all along? Or just now? And, if just now, why? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 86. "the stunning truth" Posted by Matt on 15:45:13 8/04/2000 HOLLY: >>Bark all you want Matt, but FW will never be able to say JW posters maligned him and libeled him. Stick to the facts Holly. I never said anything to you about libeling FW. I said MRS BOYKIN. DARBY>>I know you feel quite sure that MW does not have an Alleged Abuser, You know nothing of the sort Darby. I never said any such thing on this forum or any other forum about MW and her abusers or alleged abusers. As a matter of fact, I have never commented one way or the other on this woman's allegations whatsoever. With respect to Daphne and this attempt to gloss over what was done to her: lame. I know full well what was done, I read the thread, and I know what the intent was. You USED her to make your case against FW to try and sell your theory of murder or child sex predator. IMV, that was a form of child abuse. All to "get" FW. It's pathetic, it really is. To say I'm stunned is an understatement. But at least now I know the truth about some people. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 87. "Matt" Posted by darby on 18:19:00 8/04/2000 Just curious--did you think that the person who posted that Daphne was found naked never had really heard that and simply made it up? While that's possible, don't you think it's equally possible that the rumor was started by someone other than the person who posted? Also--it may simply be true. I don't know. At any rate, I don't take the rumor as gospel, and even if it's true, I don't think it's necessarily important. But no matter what, I feel that Daphne is an innocent child and do not think anything evil about her. Also, I don't feel that anyone has been trying to use her to further a cause. You seem to have decided that someone did just that. But I suppose neither one of us knows for sure either way. Matt, I know you have been wounded by what was done to Lori's baby at BNF--I've seen you post about this before. I have no idea who Lori or her baby is, but based on what you have said, I know they mean a great deal to you, and they must have had a horrific internet experience. I can also see that you despise the Swamp with a passion. However, it seems to me that you've directed ALL of your internet fury upon Holly. Remember, SHE didn't diss Lori's baby, nor is she a Swamp denizen. Read what I said in the "Alleged Abuser" thread, and maybe you'll understand why some of us haven't put the whole matter to rest. Maybe some posters have gone too far in what was said about Fleet White--I'll grant you that. But most of us who don't want to drop the MW issue simply feel that we need to know more before making a decision. By the way, I'm sorry I assumed you didn't believe MW. You are absolutely right--I don't know what you really think about her. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 88. "If Only You Could All Meet Holly..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 18:53:12 8/04/2000 ...your opinions of her would change considerably. She is one of the most down-to-earth, funny, honest persons I know. She doesn't put on airs -- she doesn't need to. Her intelligence, wit, and genuine warmth speak for her. She treats all people equally -- the dull and boring, the quiet and shy, the brilliant and verbose. She is not prone to exaggeration, but rather to thoughtful inquiry, cool analysis, and lively debate. Notwithstanding, I agree to disagree with her on the matter of Fleet White. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 89. "Late to the party..." Posted by mary99 on 01:57:20 8/05/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 01:57:20, 8/05/2000 Did I miss something? Where was it stated that Gwen Boykin killed JonBenet? I thought that was posed as a question to start a discussion. Oops, I forgot, you solved it already, the Ramseys dunnit. Patsy bashed her skull (hope that's OK with the libel watchers) while Johnboy was sexually abusing her (might as well go for broke). Too bad they haven't been charged. I wonder why? Oops, I forgot, it's because Alex Hunter, the doofus you love to hate, is corrupt (is that OK to say out loud?) and didn't want to prosecute them. Don't sue me Alex! Since the OGBs have it all wrapped up, and "Patsy's good for it" (oops, was that libelous?) let's just close the case. Where's Steve? Oops, I forgot, he quit in frustration. Thanks, Steve. (loved your book, but your theory is all wet). How's Steve doing on the libel-meter these days? Movin' on: When did this forum turn into a place where only certain theories could be expressed without Lacey, WY etc. going into meltdown? Now it's all about protecting the good name of Fleet White and the Boykins? Yikes, I must have missed something. Wasn't Gwen the goddaughter of Fleet White Senior who went all the way to Boulder to trick or treat? Seems like a long way to go for a sack of candy. Oops, I forgot, we don't know that for a fact. It was just the BPD that said that. Like when they said they were turning that sex ring file over to the FBI, they were probably just making it up. Help me, I'm confused. Patsy faked Stage IV cancer, has Munchausen's by Proxy, sexually abused JonBenet, bashed her on the head, garrotted her, and there's documentation to back that up. Proof. Sources. Not theories. Not poster's opinions. Not questions put out for discussion. It passes the OGB libel test. URL's please! Now, I'm afraid to even bring up poor Burke, but there are still a few Burke-did-it theories floating around. It's OK to say he killed his sister because he was jealous of her, has Asperger's Syndrome, molested JonBenet, acts goofy, was refused admission to a private school, because of course, that's documented too. As in proof, sources, scanned documents, no opinions, theories or questions. URL's please! As for Johnboy, of course he was lying in the deposition. We know he was molesting JonBenet, because he stammered on her name once. And, he waves her picture around on TV. That should be good enough for a jury right there. Why are we sitting around flaming when the case is solved? Obviously we have all the facts, there are no secrets, no stone left unturned and no missing pieces. Thanks to the dedicated sleuths of the WOR, who stepped in just in time to save Fleet White and Gwen Boykin from the bus, we can rest assured they had nothing whatsoever to do with this unsolved murder. Thanks to those who keep me in line and guide me to the correct theory, I can now rest assured that there was no sex ring, no unpublished letters from Fleet White to the Daily Camera, and nothing to back up MW's videotaped documentation. Lee Hill, Alex Hunter, Barrie Hartman and the FBI have all been brainwashed to believe this latest offering from the RST. Has anyone told them WY and Lacey are tired of that MW chit and they better cut it out? On a serious note, the hypocrisy here is mind-boggling. Fleet White has been elevated to the status of a truth and justice seeker. His actions are beyond reproach because certain people have decided he is off-limits. Others who question his behavior are criticized for throwing him under the bus. Posters who call Holly, Darby, Mame, Morgan and Mary99 a 'sick cult' overlook their own devotion to whatever pet theory they subscribe to, and the intolerance for other POV's such name-calling implies. Holly is one of the finest posters at JW. She is being accused of libel for posting a question. I've been called a liar and a troll. Darby presented a possible theory and was met with pathetic babbling. Mame, Morgan, Darby and Holly have been thrown under the bus driven by the flamers. Hareen, Starry, Cassandra, Fly, Gemini, LurkerXIV have all posted on this thread of Holly's high marks for credibility and integrity, and voiced support for anyone's abilty to post a viable theory without being flamed. I believe that if you don't agree with another POV, post to the points of discussion, as Florida, Seeker and Canadiana have done. I can respect their need to want to see more evidence before they make up their minds, but don't agree that in order to post a theory or ask a question, sources and documentation must be offered to even begin a discussion. This is a new standard that has come up only since the MW allegations were made public. There is certainly a lot we don't know, but IMO there is also enough information to warrant starting a discussion. I agree that the allegations are serious, but find it ludicrous that all comments concerning Fleet White, MW, Macky Boykin, etc. are supposed to be prefaced by 'allegedly' said this or that, and 'allegedly' did this or that. It goes without saying we are presenting ideas and opinions, and basing them on the information available. Nobody on the Boykin thread even gave Darby and Holly a chance to expand on the possible fit with the pieces of the puzzle we have to work with. Are the all discussions here at JW now limited to only the Ramseys as perps? Has it been proven there were no other perps or conspirators? Many people say Fleet White has been cleared. If there is an ongoing FBI investigation into sex ring activity, that could mean Fleet White may someday be implicated in that activity. Therefore, it's not quite true to say he can't even be discussed based on what the BPD said in the past. I'm willing to keep the Fleet White/MW discussions off the open forum and in the WOR if only to keep the inevitable flaming private. That should also serve to address any objections to the FW/MW allegations being bandied about on a public forum. Since the WOR is private, those who objected to those threads should feel satisfied that their concerns have been addressed. Since we all are (allegedly) interested in searching for the truth, we should accept that while we might not agree with another POV, everyone does have their own opinion(s). The issue of the FW/MW allegations has polarized the JBR forums like no other discussion to date, except of course the initial question of Ramsey guilt or innocence. It's been assumed by many that if one accepts the MW allegations as truthful, then the Ramseys must be innocent and Fleet White must therefore be a suspect in the murder of JBR. There are many shades of gray in between. Nobody here can say for a fact they know the truth, only what they feel is the truth. "One can not bend or change the real truth" -Carlos Santana [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 90. "Mary99" Posted by Anderson on 01:53:53 8/05/2000 You said "Oops, I forgot, we don't know that for a fact. It was just the BPD that said that. Like when they said they were turning that sex ring file over to the FBI, they were probably just making it up." Perhaps you should take another look at the press release that the BPD issued concerning that. http://www.ci.boulder.co.us/comm/pressrelease/RAMSEY/pr000515.html "Boulder Police have forwarded information to the FBI in reference to some of the woman's allegations regarding the operation of a child sex ring. Police also advised her to contact California authorities with any information she has regarding crimes that may have occurred in California." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 91. "Do you think I need glasses?" Posted by mary99 on 02:02:51 8/05/2000 Well, in typical police-speak, that means they have a file that they want the FBI to look into. I guess you think that the use of the word 'allegations' means there is no truth to the matter of a sex ring of some kind? I think that would have been presented more in the manner of: THE BPD IS CLOSING THIS CASE AND FOUND NOTHING IN THIS WOMAN'S ALLEGATIONS TO WARRANT FBI INVOLVEMENT. To each his own. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 92. "mary99, Anderson" Posted by darby on 09:41:12 8/05/2000 You are absolutely brilliant! LOL--sometimes the ring of truth hits so hard it makes me laugh. Anderson--yes, the word is "allegations." The BPD would be the last entity to label anything as fact unless it had been unequivocally proven. But wouldn't you agree that if they KNEW the allegations were false, they would never do something so silly as to turn over the information to the FBI? The BPD already has enough egg on their face to make a Texas omelette. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 93. "hareen" Posted by darby on 12:41:27 8/05/2000 Excellent points and questions! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE