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Serious Question, guardian, 16:07:34, 8/03/2000 wow, what a TOUGH question!, Edie Pratt, 16:15:42, 8/03/2000, (#1) I seriously think, Greenleaf, 16:24:10, 8/03/2000, (#2) Good question, Seeker, 16:37:34, 8/03/2000, (#4) Edie,, guardian, 16:32:53, 8/03/2000, (#3) Boy, that's a tough one., Holly, 16:40:37, 8/03/2000, (#5) Guardian......, mee too, 16:56:04, 8/03/2000, (#6) Guardian great question!, Tricia, 16:58:19, 8/03/2000, (#7) I would contact, Florida, 17:05:50, 8/03/2000, (#8) Serious answer, pinker, 17:15:23, 8/03/2000, (#9) I would tell, Ribaldone, 17:38:58, 8/03/2000, (#10) I like Holly advise, and>>, ayelean, 18:20:14, 8/03/2000, (#12) I can't believe no-one has asked this., starry, 18:11:18, 8/03/2000, (#11) Many thanks,, guardian, 18:23:40, 8/03/2000, (#13) I second the return receipt, Seashell, 18:41:54, 8/03/2000, (#14) Guardian, if you have information, fiddler, 18:45:35, 8/03/2000, (#15) Wow!, canadiana, 19:23:45, 8/03/2000, (#16) Racking my brain, RiverRat, 19:41:46, 8/03/2000, (#17) guardian..., shadow, 20:23:28, 8/03/2000, (#18) Wow, sherryf135, 05:53:23, 8/04/2000, (#19) guardian, pinker, 06:41:53, 8/04/2000, (#20) guardian, Starling, 07:54:08, 8/04/2000, (#21) Why hasn't, Watching you, 08:03:19, 8/04/2000, (#22) I was JUST going to, WY!, Edie Pratt, 10:24:06, 8/04/2000, (#23) Sad state...., rose, 11:50:54, 8/04/2000, (#24) Sorry to say but, freebird, 12:34:08, 8/04/2000, (#25) If I knew, Kelly, 12:45:15, 8/04/2000, (#26) Wait, Seeker, 13:22:04, 8/04/2000, (#27) PS guardian, pinker, 03:11:15, 8/05/2000, (#28) Feelings..., rose, 12:10:49, 8/05/2000, (#30) I agree, Rose, Edie Pratt, 12:57:40, 8/05/2000, (#31) Reporting information, AuntieBJ, 12:10:18, 8/05/2000, (#29) guardian--yes, if you really do, fiddler, 15:33:13, 8/05/2000, (#32) Guardian..., Jellyjaws, 15:41:36, 8/05/2000, (#33) just curious, Guardian, Edie Pratt, 15:46:10, 8/05/2000, (#34) The press will not print, pinker, 01:19:59, 8/06/2000, (#35) ................................................................... "Serious Question" Posted by guardian on 16:07:34 8/03/2000 This is for posters who have really stayed up on the case and, will understand this question. If you had information you thought might be helpful to the JonBenet case, who would you have confidence in to speak with about it? Guardian [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "wow, what a TOUGH question!" Posted by Edie Pratt on 16:15:42 8/03/2000 Excellent, though, Guardian. I think I would contact Mark Fuhrman. He gets things done, and I think he genuinely cares about what happened to JonBenet. Gees, hard to say who's a good guy or a bad guy in all the players, I don't trust any of them! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "I seriously think" Posted by Greenleaf on 16:24:10 8/03/2000 that I would take it to the FBI. I can think of no one in Boulder that I would trust, and that's a shame. I would think that it's a Federal offense to fake a kidnapping. I have always felt that there's a third party (adult) out there who knows everyhing, and may have even had some part in the coverup. If that person is reading this, please RUN; don't WALK to your nearest FBI office. Sooner or later it's all going to come down and you best tell what you know now, before arrests are made. No telling what the Rams will say about you. Greenleaf p.s. good thread, Guardian. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Good question" Posted by Seeker on 16:37:34 8/03/2000 if I didn't have any hard physical evidence I'd probably keep my mouth shut. I wouldn't know who to trust at this late time in the "investigation". If I had hard physical evidence I'm not sure who I could trust with it. I'd probably trust Steve Thomas to get me in touch with an honest law enforcement official and a great attorney. For what it's worth, Lou Smit might be old and empathetic towards the Ramsey's, but he is an honest man and even ST has a great respect for him. Just because his theory is flawed doesn't mean his integrity, or beliefs in truth are. JMO [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Edie," Posted by guardian on 16:32:53 8/03/2000 >Gees, hard to say who's a >good guy or a bad guy >in all the players, I don't >trust any of them! Thanks. I can tell by the above statement you understand where I'm coming from. I was afraid I would get " The police of course." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Boy, that's a tough one." Posted by Holly on 20:41:27 8/03/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:41:27, 8/03/2000 No matter what, send a copy of the information to yourself, certified and never open it unless in a court. That goes for anything on tape. Dupe it and send it to yourself. Have the other party sign a receipt and make sure there is a witness. corrected a typo [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Guardian......" Posted by mee too on 16:56:04 8/03/2000 VERY good question.....I believe I would have an FBI agent met with me in Gov.Owens office....... Please be VERY careful.....I would NOT devulage (sp) on this or any forum whom you choose....... God Speed....(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Guardian great question!" Posted by Tricia on 16:58:19 8/03/2000 I agree with Seeker. I would get in touch with Steve Thomas and ask him who to talk to. I'd call his publishing company and get a message to him. OR How about the cops in Atlanta that Thomas thought so much of? It wouldn't be surprising if someone had the whole inside scoope other than the Ramsey's. I never thought about someone not coming forward because she/he didn't know who to trust. That would be a problem. Great point Guardian. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "I would contact" Posted by Florida on 17:05:50 8/03/2000 Beckner, Smit and the FBI. I'm pretty sure you would get a fair shake that way. Regardless of how many of us feel about Beckner and Smit I think both want the murderer of JonBenet brought to justice no matter who it is. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Serious answer" Posted by pinker on 17:15:23 8/03/2000 If the information is truely important I believe many involved in the investigation should be told. The Boulder DA's office, the Boulder PD, the office of the Governor, and for good measure a voice in the press, someone like Chuck Greene. If they all realize each has been told it's like a system of checks and balances and the information will not be swept away. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "I would tell" Posted by Ribaldone on 17:50:42 8/03/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:50:42, 8/03/2000 Steve Thomas and ask him to accompany me to the FBI. If he choose not to, I'd ask Mark Furhman the same thing. They know the ins/outs of a murder investigation and the FBI procedures much more than I and I'd be afraid of "getting lost" in the FBI bureacracy. Also, I think having a credible and well-known "partner" (so to speak) that is knowledgeable about law enforcement procedures, would be an asset and would lend credibility. Initially I would tell as FEW people as possible until the FBI had advised me to (or did it themselves) contact the BDP. I don't have so much a problem with Beckner (not sure about him one way or another), but I KNOW Hunter and his goons would feed the information right to the Ramseys. And they don't need to know until they need to know. That's the main reason I would never tell Smit. IMO Smit has not shown himself to be the honest, trustworthy guy Thomas describes. If he were truly honest, he'd have a few questions about the Ramseys. There are clearly things that don't fit and reasons to suspect them and if he can't at least see that there are questions, he's not being honest. I guess my answer is I'd go to the FBI. But I'd want someone who knows someone to be with me so we could get right in to the right person(s). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "I like Holly advise, and>>" Posted by ayelean on 18:20:14 8/03/2000 I would send it to two sources at the same time and let both sources know who the other source is. Meeting an FBI agent in Owens office is a good thought. I wonder how receptive any of these parties would be to someone coming in with info? What about Ben Thompson being a witness when giving this info? I wouldn't trust Smit. He's on the take with the Rams. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "I can't believe no-one has asked this." Posted by starry on 18:36:30 8/03/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:36:30, 8/03/2000 >This is for posters who have really >stayed up on the case and, >will understand this question. If you >had information you thought might be >helpful to the JonBenet case, who >would you have confidence in to >speak with about it? >Guardian But, I will... Why Guardian? Do you have some information that you think might be helpful? God I hope so! *Note. I'm not asking what. Just do you? edited because I can spell but can't type. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Many thanks," Posted by guardian on 18:23:40 8/03/2000 You have all given good ideas and points to consider. Now let's pray for justice. Not that we haven't been already but, more can't hurt. Guardian [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "I second the return receipt" Posted by Seashell on 18:41:54 8/03/2000 Definitely send a copy registered to yourself and then contact the FBI. If the info pertains to PR being the perpette, then ST would be a decent bet, but not without Boyles, Green and Owens being present. If the info points toward JR, then Green, Boyles and again Owens and the FBI should be in on all of this. But not the LOCAL FBI - none of the locals - possibly Ben Thompson but not without checks and balances. I don't trust anyone in the BPD. Very good question. Do you have info? I noticed no one mentioned FW. Oh, and an attorney - possibly Lee Hill but I'd have to think more about this. But definitely an attorney. This is a good question for Chuck Green. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Guardian, if you have information" Posted by fiddler on 18:45:35 8/03/2000 or know someone who has, don't post it here. I'd contact both the FBI and Mark Beckner. Whatever you think of Beckner, he's the one who's in charge of investigating this case, and if the info is real, he's going to find out about it anyway. Maybe he can include it in his upcoming questioning session with the Rams. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Wow!" Posted by canadiana on 19:23:45 8/03/2000 What a question! Isn't it a sad state of affairs when you even have to ask? I agree with Holly's advice re mailing it to yourself (and also perhaps someone else you know personally and who has no vested interest in the case or information). While I abhor Mark Fuhrman for the things he said in the past, I do believe he has proven himself to be honest and trustworthy now. I would turn to him I believe. I truly hope for justice in this case, but I would honestly not want to be the person looking for someone to trust. I hope that person would NOT post it here. However, publicly notifying someone of your intentions might not be a bad thing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Racking my brain" Posted by RiverRat on 19:41:46 8/03/2000 on this one after all of the twists and turns this case has taken, who can you trust without a doubt? How about a true victim's advocate, John Walsh? Then, of course, proper protocol would have to follow as not to leave any technicality for someone to grab their get out of jail free card later. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. " guardian..." Posted by shadow on 20:23:28 8/03/2000 I would go see the Agent in charge at the FBI Denver Office. Prior to doing this I would give whatever information I have to my husband, father, mother, or some close relative and tell them to send copies to the Denver Post, Washington Post, NY Times, LA Times, etc. if anything happens to me (accident or otherwise). shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Wow" Posted by sherryf135 on 05:53:23 8/04/2000 I would make sure that whatever information you or whoever has it is, it is given to a close friend (husband, child, mother, close relative) for security and mail a copy of it to yourself to be opened in a court of law only. Registered, ceritified, in a strong box... Unable to be destroyed. (fireproof, attomic bomb proof) My only wish is that is gooooooooood! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "guardian" Posted by pinker on 06:41:53 8/04/2000 don't expect any reply or answer from your revelation. They will take it and run and even if obviously important, you may never here from them again. Just follow the official news releases to take hints if the information is viable. If it requires further testing or deeper investigation you do have to give the lead adequate time to fully mature. E-mail would be the last choice for any serious information. The written word is so much more permanent. Good Luck. You may be looking at the case from a different vantage point so excuse some posters ideas as not their fault. Don't despair things will work out in the end in the search for justice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "guardian" Posted by Starling on 07:54:08 8/04/2000 I would try to set up a meeting with one of the active detectives. More than likely I would pick Jane Harmer - first of all because she is a female (I'm not dissing guys - just that I'm a female and would be more comfortable speaking to a female:) and secondly, I believe she is on the correct side of the fence - at least according to Thomas she was.... If you still feel uneasy about going straight to a detective, for the fear your information would get burried maybe try contacting Carol McKinnley. I'm sure you can talk to Carol off the record and she would more than likely (depending on the nature of info) send you straight to detectives working the case. But by telling her - you have info, if nothing is done about it, she has the power then to do a follow-up. Talking to any reporter might be uncomfortable, so another possibility of an insurance ticket would be Owens in my book. Sure hope your question isn't hypothetical. Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Why hasn't" Posted by Watching you on 08:03:19 8/04/2000 anyone mentioned the media? I mean, top brass, not the Enquirer. This, in addition to what Holly said (that is good advice). If I had even a suspicion that my information might endanger me or my family, or that it would be covered up by whomever, I would send the information, with backup evidence (better have that), to investigative reporters in a heartbeat - but I think I might do it anonymously. But, that's just me, I guess. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "I was JUST going to, WY!" Posted by Edie Pratt on 10:24:06 8/04/2000 but, I was going to say, invite all the players from DA, Kane, BPD and the Ramseys to a press conference. Bring every last one of them, good or bad, into the spotlight, and let the chips fall where they may. It's time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Sad state...." Posted by rose on 11:50:54 8/04/2000 This question really brings home the sad state of affairs in this case. I think if I thought I had info on this case, I would go to the FBI with my lawyer. We don't know what the FBI is doing, but I'm going to assume they know the politics of this case in Boulder and could give you advise on how to proceed. It would also give the authorities in Boulder a heads up, that this info is in the hands of the FBI and that they are looking very closely on how it is handled. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Sorry to say but" Posted by freebird on 12:34:08 8/04/2000 I don't think it would make any difference. I think the Ramseys have 'protection' and have from day one. So I would at this point get myself a lawyer and proceed from there before you become the next carcass under that bus. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "If I knew" Posted by Kelly on 12:45:15 8/04/2000 exactly what happened to JonBenet, and who all was involved with what, I know myself well enough to see me pushing myself onto cnn or msnbc and telling the story from beginning to end for the entire world to hear. If I knew the truth, I would tell it, and let the chips fall where they may. There is nobody that I would depend on to tell the story as I had told it, if I knew it. Too much politics! I'd just have to say it myself, to everyone. Thank you for asking. What and excellent thread. We've never thought of this before. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Wait" Posted by Seeker on 13:22:04 8/04/2000 some have suggested sending it to yourself. Remember unless you have physical evidence it boils down to your word against theirs. No matter what we think about them, it's still a stalemate unless you have concrete evidence! I would never go to the press first. Things (stories) get to convoluted that way, and then you cannot be used in court as a witness as your testimony has been splashed all over the place and distorted as well as possibly influencing the jury. I'd be as quiet as possible, not tell anyone what I was about to do, and then just do it. You don't tell the other army your plans of attack! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "PS guardian" Posted by pinker on 03:11:15 8/05/2000 and most importantly..... If you have stumbled upon really unique evidence that no one else has seen or figured out-through natural progression of the investigation you may be considered a suspect. This too shall pass. You wouldn't necessarily become a witness needing to testify. If your evidence can be found to be a sort of common knowledge that in the end is not unique to you it can be presented that way. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Feelings..." Posted by rose on 12:10:49 8/05/2000 I have always felt that there were people who heard or saw or were told things in confidence that they are waiting to tell if there is ever indictments. Info that would complete the puzzle, but standing on its own would seem trival. People waiting for investigators to ask the right questions. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "I agree, Rose" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:57:40 8/05/2000 but I always thought it'd come from CAP. Just rewatched a tape I made of her on LKL, and she is VERY jealous. She made comments like, "well! SOME of us have to work", when discussing where she was the day AH said no indictment. She was clearly making reference to the differences of lifestyles between she and her sister. Later, when asked about specifics of the R's behavior, she would look down and rub her nose, alot, and answered by prefacing first with "it's vague, Larry,but..."and "I don't recall". I think she knows EXACTLY who killed her niece, and always did. I think the killer/s are playing with fire if they should ever tick her off. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Reporting information" Posted by AuntieBJ on 12:12:44 8/05/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:12:44, 8/05/2000 On January 6, 2000 this is the reply I got from Mark Beckner regarding reporting information on the Ramsey case: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subj: Re: JonBenet Ramsey case Date: 00-01-06 15:15:25 EST From: BECKNERM@ci.boulder.co.us (Mark Beckner) To: ACandyRose@aol.com XXXXXXXX: If you have legitimate information that you believe is related to the Ramsey case, you may forward it to the Boulder Police Department, 1805 33rd St., Boulder, CO, 80301, attention to me or Det. Tom Trujillo. We are interested in any legitimate, factual based information. Speculative information, internet gossip, or theories are not very helpful. Thank you. Mark Beckner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Edited to add: I am not saying this is what you should do but this is the response I received. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "guardian--yes, if you really do" Posted by fiddler on 15:33:13 8/05/2000 know something about this case, you shouldn't do anything that will hurt your credibility. Absolutely, IMO, DON'T go to the press or any kind of tabloid! If you go for publicity right away, it will only negate the evidentiary value of whatever it is you know. If you have evidence, take it to the FBI and Beckner. They're the ones who are going to prosecute this. They're the ones who are the proper--NECESSARY--channels for information. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Guardian..." Posted by Jellyjaws on 15:41:36 8/05/2000 If I had information about this case, I would seek the advice of a good attorney. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "just curious, Guardian" Posted by Edie Pratt on 15:46:10 8/05/2000 but, what do YOU think you should do? Is your gut telling you one thing, and your head another? I say, go with your gut. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "The press will not print" Posted by pinker on 01:19:59 8/06/2000 any big secrets or new evidence about this case. They all have a vested intrest in protecting their own hinees and would rather the info be used judiciously. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE