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"A Killer Still Hides" Posted by mame on 10:33:43 8/06/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:33:43, 8/06/2000 I posted this column written by my dad several months ago. I'm posting it again today, on what would have been JonBenet's 10th birthday. Since my twins just turned 11, I am well aware of how wonderful her 10th would have been, here in the sunshine of the Rocky Mountains. This column was written in the 1960's, when I was a little girl myself. I deem this column relevant because it takes us into the mind of a child killer. The column also reminds us of the weak, chickenchit baby killer who hides, even four years later. The greatest gift for this child's non-birthday would be a full and complete confession. Whoever you are...wherever you hide...please find your way to the nearest police station and kindly spill your guts... A KILLER STILL HIDES The beauty of spring is here again. So is an ugly memory. The ugliness is murder. Unsolved. Then comes a question: Has our community forgotten, and dropped its guard? A little over three years ago a sick, tormented mind, filled with all the perversions known to man, took the last look into the terrified eyes of a little girl. She probably had known only one fear until then. Like most kids, she was afraid of the dark. Mary Theresa Simpson died at 12. That's not very old. Not old enough to wear the bright, new dresses that a young girl can wear. Not old enough to know all the kids that you meet in junior high and wonder what you'll look like as a senior. She wasn't old enough to know whether she would like Herman and the Hermits best, or if the Mammas and the Poppas had the real sound. Not old enough to know if Nancy Sinatra's boots are really made for walking, or if Jack Jones' ballads could be for her - or any other girl child who can get a crush on a singer. Twiggy would have been an unknown name to her. Twiggy, now being held up as someone's idea of classic beauty, was then only 14 herself. But Twiggy lives, known by half the world. Mary Theresa is dead, and the world has gone on without her. Let us not forget her. Somewhere out there a killer still hides. A frightened killer. Still carrying an 80 pound burden. The burden of 80 pounds of small girl. Eighty pounds that by this time has multiplied into the weight of the world. Looking back at what was said at the time there is but one conclusion. The killer has no peace. The killer's agony is great, more exquisite, more excruciating than anything forced upon Mary Theresa. Mentally the killer is suffocating. Choking. At times there may be escape, but - inevitability - the mind has to come back to the deed. There is no mental eraser that wipes the mental slate clean. There is no eraser that can wipe away the fear in a dying child's eyes. The killer knows of pleading. Silent. Or voiced. There is still the belief that the hands which stuffed dirt and leaves into a helpless child's mouth must sometime, at some place, stop to push the burden away. If the killer ever passes Combs Hill where her body was found there has to be wonder. There is wonder when the killer looks into other eyes. Is there a doubt? A suspicion? Does someone know? Is someone waiting for just the right moment? Will there be a slip? In word? In action? Anything that gives it all away? In the sick mind there has to be a wonder if there is anyone in whole wide world who would understand. There has always been wonder about the shame. The fear about the penalty. Yet, the hunch here is that beneath everything there is a desire - beaten down again and again - to surrender. There is a desire to put down that big burden. There is desire to have someone know and understand. There is another hunch. A hunch that at one time this person made contact. Almost ready to yield. Almost ready to seek peace. The door is still open. The twisting, the turning, the desire to avoid shame and penalty can come to an end. There can be a lifting from the hell of living. Meanwhile, we can all think of the tragedy of Mary Theresa Simpson - and not let our guards down - in the beauty of the spring that is here again. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "I kindly ask..." Posted by mame on 10:37:58 8/06/2000 ALL my fellow seekers of justice and truth to make a plea on this thread to the baby killer of Jonbenet Ramsey. Please ask that person to come forward in truth and dignity, to honor this beautiful dead child with a full and complete confession. It's time to drop the petty in-fighting and remember why we are here. Let's go to the mind of this killer, without naming names, and plead for truth. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "I hope the killer..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 11:31:40 8/06/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:31:40, 8/06/2000 ...of JonBenet reads the eloquent words of Cove Hoover above. Does the "creature" have any kind of conscience? If he/she does not, and is a total sociopath, I beg the persons closest to the killer to come forward. Someone has heard his/her confession. Pam? Nedra? Mrs. Griffin? Rev. Holverstock? Please come forward, so that JonBenet may rest in peace. PS to mame--was that case ever solved? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "no, lurker" Posted by mame on 11:19:13 8/06/2000 tess says the case was never solved. oh, i should mention my dad's name...he was my step-dad, but real dad in spirit...his name was Cove Hoover. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "What a relief it " Posted by momo on 12:07:25 8/06/2000 would be if the killer or killers would come forward. What a heavy burden would be lifted off of your shoulders. God has stated that he will forgive you if you confess your sins and ask for forgiveness. Even murderers can and will be forgiven. God can not go back on his word. A sin is a sin, big or small. There are no grey areas. We humans put degrees on sins. It is just not so. Believe it or not, a percentage of society is willing to forgive someone who has murdered if they are truly sorry and repentive of the act they committed. What really gets to people is the constant spin and deceit that continues to drag on because of pride. We become more and more tired and angry as the truth is not revealed and the killer continues to get away murder. As much as it would pain me to say it, I believe I could forgive those who killed JonBenet. God says that if we don't forgive, He can't forgive us. I want to forgive John and Patsy. The reporter from the Pat Robertson show asked that we pray that the real killer come forward and be so moved to reveal themselves. I think every morning when we wake up that we ask God to move them to repentance. Otherwise, they will never see JonBenet again. Best get your house in order before it is too late. You can never move forward as long as the weight around your neck is holding you back. I'm BEGGING you to please come forward. You will not regret it. And if you ever do, I will be the first to thank you. It is the best thing in your life that you could do. Justice would finally be served for JonBenet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "burden of guilt" Posted by mary99 on 12:25:54 8/06/2000 If a person who knows what happened that night would just make a phone call, their torment would end. Holding out until the inevitable arrests come in this case will hurt them more in the end. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Sans all redemption" Posted by Greenleaf on 13:10:05 8/06/2000 mame, your Dad's article was beautiful. Thanks for sharing it with us. What would I say to the killer and/or killers in the JonBenet case? Well, I'd start by reminding them of their souls. Yes, I would stress the spiritual aspect of their beings, but I won't do that; as it seems obvious, by now, that they are in the throes of elaborate justification. They hear not our pleas. They have elected to by-pass all laws; spiritual laws and the laws of our land. When JonBenet was murdered, her heart stopped beating, she stopped breathing and all of earth's life forces left her limp, battered little body. A hole was dug and her body was placed in that hole and covered with dirt, eventually to disintegrate. Some may think that was the end of her. In fact, the murderer and/or murderers may find solace in the fact that she has been silenced forever. W R O N G ! Nothing could be further from the truth! JonBenet's spirit, the very essence of her being, is still alive and well. She has retained her personality, all of her character traits, and, of course, her memory is very much intact. When we leave this world, and venture into the great unknown, we are usually met by those who knew on the earth plane. I can think of no possible greeting, more hostile, than that of a child greeting his/her murderers; especially when it's his/her very own parents. Making matters worse is such a greeting, sans all redemption. If the perps think earth laws are severe, they cannot imagine the severity of spiritual laws, sans all redemption. They can think that their Christian faith has redeemed them, but redemption is not possible without confession and repentance. Only within their inner selves can the murderer and/or murderers make that decision. Nothing we write here will sway them. It's a very personal thing. Come out now, own up to what you have done, and use that time to repent, or suffer the consequences on the other side. It's as simple as that. I believe that there is a special place in hell for those who protect murderers; especially child murderers. All this is my personal opinion, of course. Greenleaf JfJB [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Greenleaf They will " Posted by sissy on 17:18:18 8/06/2000 never tell the truth. BUT jonbenet is safe and she will have peace. caus she was innocent. THE killing parents are still out there walking and telling lies and our justice system is ruled by nimrod. like poilticians and lawyers it all has to do with money and greed . pat and john are too old to admit to murder cause they have so much money and no time for jail. they will still lie as god throws them into the pit. they can't spend their money in jail .and when they go it won't be for a day. so they had better just keep telling us those PRECIOUS LIES LIKE WE HAVE NEVER HEARD. thT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THESE TWO CREEPS. They wouldn't give up their freedom for anything that is why jonbenet is dead already. they was no going to take a chance on that kid busting a gut on them .they rather be knowns as suspicious murders and accused of killing her than to be accuse of a sexually abusing that kid .patsy knows john was doing this and she did not do a thing about it cause that kid wanted to say something. but if she had it would have got both john and pat in dutch with society and law. they couldn't stand this kind of embrassing thing to happen to them. can't you see it? LIARS THEY ARE . THET SAYyou can get away from a thief but not a liar. i beleive that one. maybe pat,john thinks that we all will forget and oneday they will turn themselves in without any shame. oh how puky they are. we will never forget jonbenet. never.and today she is 10yrs she could really tell some things if she was alive don't you know. BURKIE HE KNOWS he really knows and someday JESUS CHRIST WILL SAY SPEAK AND IT WILL BE ALL OVER somebody's gut will bust one day and we will know the truth. it gets easier each day for them to lie and they can always have for their defence.... i forgot. well they may forget but god remembers jonbenet. GOD REMEMBERED LOTT. god remembered abraham. god remembered hannah. and god WILL REMEMBER JONBENET. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Forever young" Posted by RiverRat on 17:40:54 8/06/2000 and innocent. Still, would she be appalled at her legacy? YES, she would. I pray that someone will gather the strength together to take that first step forward for JonBenet. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Greenleaf" Posted by v_p on 17:35:21 8/06/2000 That was beautiful. How appropriate on her birthday. I would say, Patsy and John, it's time to turn yourselves in. You have no quality of life the way you are living. If you confess now you may have time to redeem yourselves before judgement day. Just do it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "To the taker of lives . . ." Posted by Anton on 18:09:41 8/06/2000 To the taker of lives . . . There is a gulf between you and us. We wonder who could wound a child so brutally that she leaves this world. We wonder what is in the heart of the taker of that life. You seem to wonder why we care. You seem to wonder why we question the rules of your game. We wonder why you play this game. We wonder why you would choose to play rather than clear your heart of the pain. Perhaps it is that the pain has taken your life. Perhaps it is that the pain has taken away the wonder you once saw in this child. Perhaps it is that the pain began long before this child left this world. Has the pain changed? Was her life the key to your pain? Was your theft of her future the answer to the unanswerable pain? I believe the pain has changed. I believe the pain has not gone away, not increased or decreased. I believe the pain has focused. I believe that is why you play the game. The taking of that life focused your pain into something you can see. Now you can blame your pain on this child, one way or another. "I didn't do it" you can say. "She did this and so I had to do that" you can say. "I am right to continue my life and I could not do that with her life still in this world" you can say. Your heart will not see any light so long as you shield yourself in this shadow. This child passed away because you believed you had a need greater than hers. That is the source of your pain, dear taker of lives. I believe you saw her not as a child, a blessed heart of light and life, but as a piece of you which could be perfected and made to be what you wished for yourself to be. Do you see that your pain causes pain? Do you see that hearts yearn for love, not perfection? This child passed away from this world because of you. Does she speak to you in the nights? Does she whisper to you on her birthday and on those cold Christmas nights? Does her child's voice dance in the Christmas music that floats all around you as that season begins, peaks and wanes? I believe you loved this child, and love her still. You can't bring her back but you can bring her peace. You can't undo the past but you can renew your heart. Anton [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Anton..." Posted by PegB on 19:00:44 8/06/2000 ...that was beautiful. And now my plea, because whoever you are I do think you read JW from time to time, maybe daily. I am almost sure that I am writing to a person who did not mean for this tragedy to happen. It was never meant to go as far as it did, somewhere in the midst of the night things got out of hand. Was it anger? Was it lust? Was it being overwhelmed? One thing you can be sure of, while most humans struggle with forgiving someone of a crime of this nature, God does not struggle with it. The Ramseys are somewhat correct when they talk of forgiveness, but they are not "rightly dividing the word of truth". To be forgiven one has to acknowledge and confess their sin. Do they have to confess to me Jane Q. Public? Of course not, but they should, in humility, go to their spiritual authority, and the legal authorities. And do we still reap what we sow, yep, but knowing true forgiveness is worth it. This is still a day of God's grace and mercy, He will not turn you away, but He cannot look on hearts that cover and hide their sin. Neither will you recieve the gift of eternal life through Christ. 1John :8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. Romans 13:13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established (even the BPD). The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right... Yes, do what is right... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE