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JW Exclusive Ram Pics, Aurora, 10:58:18, 8/08/2001 Aurora, Tricia, 11:12:59, 8/08/2001, (#1) Thanks Aurora, 1000Sparks, 11:14:25, 8/08/2001, (#2) Wow, Twitch, 11:14:46, 8/08/2001, (#3) 1000 Sparks, Aurora, 11:18:48, 8/08/2001, (#4) Long sleaves, Twitch, 11:28:02, 8/08/2001, (#5) Couldn't see them., Phantom, 11:28:54, 8/08/2001, (#7) Life goes on, Ginja, 11:28:33, 8/08/2001, (#6) Phantom, Aurora, 11:40:27, 8/08/2001, (#8) Ginga, Aurora, 11:43:38, 8/08/2001, (#9) Thanks, Aurora, vic, 11:59:29, 8/08/2001, (#11) Some answers?, Aurora, 21:33:36, 8/08/2001, (#54) Aurora, DuBois, 11:55:18, 8/08/2001, (#10) Thanks aurora, Phantom, 12:00:07, 8/08/2001, (#12) Thanks Aurora, Florida, 12:19:20, 8/08/2001, (#13) Thanks, Jerrya, 12:54:37, 8/08/2001, (#14) thanks, Aurora!, Jessa Ash, 13:00:12, 8/08/2001, (#15) Jessa Ash, Kelly, 13:18:07, 8/08/2001, (#16) Great Pix, Aurora..., LurkerXIV, 13:28:42, 8/08/2001, (#17) Florida, Nedthan Johns, 13:32:35, 8/08/2001, (#18) No Ned, Tricia, 13:42:18, 8/08/2001, (#20) Aurora, Thor, 13:38:46, 8/08/2001, (#19) Tricia, fly, 13:58:51, 8/08/2001, (#22) Thor, Aurora, Kelly, 13:50:18, 8/08/2001, (#21) fly, Tricia, 14:02:47, 8/08/2001, (#23) Wonderful pictures, Aurora, Dunvegan, 15:21:33, 8/08/2001, (#25) Ned , Florida, 15:04:41, 8/08/2001, (#24) Aurora, JR, 17:48:57, 8/08/2001, (#26) Tricha, Nedthan Johns, 17:51:41, 8/08/2001, (#27) Thor, Nedthan Johns, 17:52:42, 8/08/2001, (#28) Oh Fly, Nedthan Johns, 17:54:24, 8/08/2001, (#29) Oh Kelly, Nedthan Johns, 17:55:46, 8/08/2001, (#30) Nedthan, Kelly, 19:09:39, 8/08/2001, (#45) Tricia, Nedthan Johns, 17:59:57, 8/08/2001, (#31) ...That says chit Nedthan...why?, DAWN, 18:06:10, 8/08/2001, (#33) Florida, Nedthan Johns, 18:02:09, 8/08/2001, (#32) Well, FWIW, Ev, 18:33:48, 8/08/2001, (#37) Ned sweetheart, Thor, 18:21:35, 8/08/2001, (#34) ...Hey Thor..., DAWN, 18:28:40, 8/08/2001, (#35) Hey Dawn!, Thor, 18:31:25, 8/08/2001, (#36) Aurora, the html for copyright..., Dunvegan, 18:39:01, 8/08/2001, (#39) ...Thor...Same here..., DAWN, 18:37:48, 8/08/2001, (#38) Try it Dawn, Thor, 18:40:15, 8/08/2001, (#40) ...Er...Thor...Tried it..., DAWN, 18:42:01, 8/08/2001, (#41) Dun and all:, Aurora, 18:56:26, 8/08/2001, (#43) ...Aurora...please don't let them do that to you....., DAWN, 19:00:42, 8/08/2001, (#44) Aurora, Kelly, 19:29:11, 8/08/2001, (#47) Dawn, Thor, 18:49:05, 8/08/2001, (#42) Aurora, JR, 19:17:49, 8/08/2001, (#46) Aurora: Advice Regarding Copyright, Dunvegan, 19:56:26, 8/08/2001, (#48) A Typical Copyright Infringement Statement, Dunvegan, 20:01:50, 8/08/2001, (#49) Dun and JR and others:, Aurora, 21:08:48, 8/08/2001, (#51) "Aurora", Tristan, 00:52:07, 8/14/2001, (#103) What the U. 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Copyright Office has to say..., Dunvegan, 20:57:45, 8/08/2001, (#50) Dun, Aurora, 21:48:25, 8/08/2001, (#58) Dun, Aurora, 21:18:37, 8/08/2001, (#52) Pictures, Aurora, 21:28:25, 8/08/2001, (#53) Aurora, Pennant, 21:38:50, 8/08/2001, (#56) Aurora, Thor, 21:35:46, 8/08/2001, (#55) Hirself, JR, 21:44:38, 8/08/2001, (#57) Aurora: Regarding Cease and Desist Demand, Dunvegan, 22:31:11, 8/08/2001, (#61) JR, Aurora, 21:55:22, 8/08/2001, (#59) Aurora..., PegB, 22:18:21, 8/08/2001, (#60) PegB, Chart, 23:16:01, 8/08/2001, (#63) Personally, fly?, FT, 22:45:23, 8/08/2001, (#62) FT, Aurora, 23:31:07, 8/08/2001, (#65) Dun, Aurora, 23:22:05, 8/08/2001, (#64) LOL FT, v_p, 05:51:59, 8/09/2001, (#66) Great pictures, Aurora, Watching you, 07:01:11, 8/09/2001, (#67) FT and VP, JR, 07:11:38, 8/09/2001, (#68) AMEN, WY!!!, Bets, 07:51:36, 8/09/2001, (#69) Hir mad, hir making threats..., Charley, 08:41:55, 8/09/2001, (#72) Ruthless, doScubie, 08:40:57, 8/09/2001, (#71) WY and Bets, LurkerXIV, 08:40:36, 8/09/2001, (#70) Maybe, Lurker, Watching you, 08:45:15, 8/09/2001, (#73) WY and Bets, FT, 09:13:19, 8/09/2001, (#74) Personally, I'm ready to go to the wall..., Dunvegan, 09:50:04, 8/09/2001, (#77) Now she wants, Florida, 09:41:06, 8/09/2001, (#76) Florida, Aurora, 10:10:40, 8/09/2001, (#78) Well, hell, FT, Watching you, 09:34:35, 8/09/2001, (#75) Aurora, JR, 10:13:58, 8/09/2001, (#79) JR, Aurora, 11:16:24, 8/09/2001, (#80) Aurora, JR, 11:50:34, 8/09/2001, (#81) Aurora, Mini, 12:19:40, 8/09/2001, (#86) JR, Aurora, 11:55:41, 8/09/2001, (#83) what a joke, ayjey, 11:55:29, 8/09/2001, (#82) LOL, Florida, 12:07:09, 8/09/2001, (#85) Thor, Nedthan Johns, 12:04:52, 8/09/2001, (#84) Hi, Ned, Thor, 12:32:09, 8/09/2001, (#88) WOW Watching You, Nedthan Johns, 12:22:07, 8/09/2001, (#87) Aurora, Nedthan Johns, 12:47:26, 8/09/2001, (#89) I think that, at this time..., Dunvegan, 14:04:09, 8/09/2001, (#90) Aurora, doScubie, 14:58:02, 8/09/2001, (#91) Dunvegan, Tricia, 16:32:11, 8/09/2001, (#92) Tricia, JR, 16:54:55, 8/09/2001, (#93) Jammy stalks plenty, Moab, 17:47:39, 8/09/2001, (#94) ...Moab...Hello nice to meet you..., DAWN, 17:50:49, 8/09/2001, (#95) Well-done, Aurora!, LurkerXIV, 19:03:39, 8/09/2001, (#96) Here's Some Legal Information Regarding..., Dunvegan, 19:44:40, 8/09/2001, (#98) Lurker/All, Aurora, 19:44:26, 8/09/2001, (#97) Starting a new thread..., Dunvegan, 20:02:14, 8/09/2001, (#101) Aurora, JR, 19:51:35, 8/09/2001, (#99) PLEASE GO TO THREAD II, JR, 19:53:41, 8/09/2001, (#100) Pictures, Jodie, 21:54:25, 8/09/2001, (#102) ................................................................... "JW Exclusive Ram Pics" Posted by Aurora on 20:57:41 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:57:41, 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:55:18, 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:16:17, 8/08/2001 Here are the pics from the Charlevoix festival. They aren't the best but will give you an idea. Be sure to read the captions. http://picturecenter.kodak.com/share?invite=8ECr4HJEkhh6Oa5kakva If this link doesn't work...I will send Dun the location and have her post them for me. Edited to add that these are best viewed via the slideshow. These pictures are copyrighted and no one is allowed to use them without my permission. (c)Aurora 2001 (c) [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Aurora" Posted by Tricia on 11:12:59 8/08/2001 Thank you. I can't put what I feel into words other than to say it just bugs me the Ramseys seem to have "moved on". Perhaps WY could express it better. Looking at those pictures I felt so sad for JonBenet. More so than usual. I can't explain it. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Thanks Aurora" Posted by 1000Sparks on 11:14:25 8/08/2001 If is so hot, why does John have on what looks to be a long sleeved dress shirt with short? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Wow" Posted by Twitch on 11:14:46 8/08/2001 Thanks Aurora. You did good to spot them. Summer Hill is a beautiful place. I know they hated to give that up. Wonder why they did? They are obviously not strapped for money. Flame me but I feel sorry for her. JR looks like he's gained some weight. Isn't that a cardinal sin? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "1000 Sparks" Posted by Aurora on 11:18:48 8/08/2001 He has on long sleeves for the same reason Patsy and Melinda have sweaters drapped over their shoulders. Note the one photo of them walking up the walkway with the baby. Melinda is to John's left with the blue sweater outfit. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Long sleaves" Posted by Twitch on 11:28:02 8/08/2001 and sweaters are the preppy style. Sparky wouldn't know that. I remember when Edie made the comment that Patsy's sweaters kept trying to choke her from behind. That was way too funny. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Couldn't see them." Posted by Phantom on 11:29:23 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:29:23, 8/08/2001 Only had little squares with a red x of them. :-( Any suggestions? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Life goes on" Posted by Ginja on 11:28:33 8/08/2001 While JonBenet pushes up daisies, her killers vacation in Charlevoix and go to county fairs. Well isn't that special! I think they need to have a fire lit under them. What's the local Charlevoix papers? Are they online? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Phantom" Posted by Aurora on 11:40:27 8/08/2001 Try this: Click here if you're an AOL user: href="http://picturecenter.kodak.com/share?invite=8ECr4HJEkhh6Oa5kakva">http://picturecenter.kodak.com/share?invite=8ECr4HJEkhh6Oa5kakva">http://picturecenter.kodak.com/share?invite=8ECr4HJEkhh6Oa5kakva (You can also copy and paste the URL into your browser if it doesn't appear above as an active link.) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Ginga" Posted by Aurora on 11:43:38 8/08/2001 Doubt a town that size has a paper. The people there are very "protective" of them..believe it or not! The last time I was there ..when I tried to find their summer home....I went to the Chamber of Commerce and they wouldn't tell me anything. I found the location ...from other than a local. I had also seen the house on Hard Copy...so knew it ..when I saw it. *S* [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Thanks, Aurora" Posted by vic on 11:59:29 8/08/2001 Great pics, very interesting. Kind of sad to look at though, there's no way Burke, Melinda Stuart and their baby will ever have a "normal" life thanks to John and Patsy. They didn't seem to look very happy, what did you think about their mood, Aurora? Did the baby sleep the whole time? Was he awake and talked to by anyone? Looked at? Picked up? Was Burke with Stuart? Did they chat? Too many questions! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Some answers?" Posted by Aurora on 21:33:36 8/08/2001 >Great pics, very interesting. Kind of sad >to look at though, there's no >way Burke, Melinda Stuart and their >baby will ever have a "normal" >life thanks to John and Patsy. >They didn't seem to look very >happy, what did you think about >their mood, Aurora? They looked somber to me. Melinda stuck close to her hubby and baby and her John her Dad. Note that she was on the other side of John while he was pushing the baby carriage. >Did the baby sleep the whole time? >Was he awake and talked to >by anyone? Looked at? Picked up? >Was Burke with Stuart? Did they >chat? I didn't see the baby so can't comment on that. Burke and Stuart walked together. >Too many questions! Yeah ..I wished I had my video camera and a telephoto lens. *grins* [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Aurora" Posted by DuBois on 11:55:18 8/08/2001 Did you stop by Aunt B from Mayberry house? I am reffering to that B from the little head forum. She would have probably run you out of town. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Thanks aurora" Posted by Phantom on 12:00:07 8/08/2001 I just didn't use a cookie...... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Thanks Aurora" Posted by Florida on 12:19:20 8/08/2001 Had she lived, JonBenet probably would have spent her 11th birthday at "Summer Hill". How terribly depressing and sad. I don't think I could handle vacationing there with the wonderful memories of summers spent in that lovely old house with my daughter and family. I would have to go elsewhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Thanks" Posted by Jerrya on 12:54:37 8/08/2001 Aurora. It appears that the crowd isn't aware of the sleez bags hanging around them. The liar with his ugly legs is classless in his caual style. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "thanks, Aurora!" Posted by Jessa Ash on 13:00:12 8/08/2001 I found it particularly appropriate that the first thing you see is "Welcome Blue Light Shopper"! LOL--did you check out the jewelry section when you dropped the film off for developing? You might have had a chance at some more pics:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Jessa Ash" Posted by Kelly on 13:18:07 8/08/2001 Thanks for pointing that out. Blue light special!lol!! Aurora, thank you for sharing your pictures with us. All seriousness aside now, look at Patsy's rear end in the second picture. The thong shows up well in it. I didn't think they looked too well received in the photos. It looks like folks cleared the sidewalk when they came through. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Great Pix, Aurora..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 13:28:42 8/08/2001 ...although they made me sick to my stomach. It is the nadir of bad taste for the suspected murderer/mother of a young pageant contestant to show up smiling at a beauty queen contest. You would think it would be too terribly painful to even look at a pageant on TV (let alone attend one in high good spirits at a festive public occasion) because of the great sadness it would provoke. But not with Patsy--the cold-blooded bitch! May she rot in hell!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Florida" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 13:32:35 8/08/2001 Maybe they continue to vacation there to bring back HAPPY memories of JonBenet? You people are ruthless. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "No Ned" Posted by Tricia on 13:42:18 8/08/2001 We are not ruthless. When you kill your daughter and then go prancing out in public and "move on" with your life, That is ruthless. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Aurora" Posted by Thor on 13:38:46 8/08/2001 Thanks for the interesting pics. BTW, hir is claiming stalking again, for God's sake. Hir has posted your pics at the swamp for all to partake of. This stalking accusation is bs. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Tricia" Posted by fly on 13:58:51 8/08/2001 Tricia - I understand the frustration of seeing somebody people think is a murderer walking free. But once you get past wishing they were in jail and face reality, does it make sense to complain about them doing normal things? What, realistically, do you expect the Ramseys to do each day? Would you prefer that they be so consumed by guilt (or mourning, if innocent) that they do nothing but think about JBR? What do you think would happen to Burke if they didn't "get on" with life? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Thor, Aurora" Posted by Kelly on 13:50:18 8/08/2001 Let's just ignore it! It doesn't deserve our time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "fly" Posted by Tricia on 14:02:47 8/08/2001 You know what? I agree! I know what you are saying. You are right. But fly it just bugs me. That's the best way I can describe it. I wish I could be a bit more eloquent but I can't. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Wonderful pictures, Aurora" Posted by Dunvegan on 15:21:33 8/08/2001 Thank you so very much for sharing your vacation photographs with us. The online album you chose works very well. You've an excellent eye, Aurora...excellent. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dunvegan ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Ned " Posted by Florida on 15:04:41 8/08/2001 You are a ruthless bore. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Aurora" Posted by JR on 17:48:57 8/08/2001 My suggestion is that you go back into your captions ans add a copywrite notice immediately. Then send hirself an email to remove them from hir forum. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Tricha" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 17:51:41 8/08/2001 When you kill your daughter and then go prancing out in public and "move on" with your life, That is ruthless. Ned: No proof of that Tricha. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Thor" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 17:52:42 8/08/2001 This stalking accusation is bs. Nedd: I havn't been over there in awhile. What stalking BS? Is Jams being stalked? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Oh Fly" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 17:54:56 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:54:56, 8/08/2001 You are such a good poster. I wish I could get to the point as quickly as you. Exactly. Just exactly what should the Ramsey's be doing? Edited to say, I don't know of anyone who HASN'T moved on after a loved one dies, it's part of nature [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Oh Kelly" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 17:56:24 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:56:24, 8/08/2001 Let's just ignore it! It doesn't deserve our time. Nedd: Not nice. Play nice with me now :0) Edited to say, I NEVER go away :0) Word for the day :EDIT! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Nedthan" Posted by Kelly on 19:09:39 8/08/2001 I was talking about ignoring the ranting going on at another forum about Aurora taking photos of Patsy's fat a**. I wasn't talking about ignoring you. I've been ignoring you for months. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Tricia" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 18:01:35 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:01:35, 8/08/2001 But fly it just bugs me. Nedd: You know what Tricia, If they ARE guilty, then it WILL really BUG me too, but we just don't know. I look at it this way, you have Melinda and her husband starting a new life together, now I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that if they thought for ONE minute either Patsy or John was capable of this, they wouldn't be around them, and certainly wouldn't want to leave their new born child with them. IN FACT, Not one person from their close knit group of friends or relatives has ever said anything to suggest they beleive either of the Ramsey's is guilty. To me that says a lot. Call it upper class tightness, but I think someone would have said something by now. Edited to say: Boy I am just thinking of all kinds of aferthoughts today, aren't I? I would think it would take a lot of SICK people to know inside that the Ramsey's DID do this and turn their back on this child. I just truly beleive that the Ramsey's other children beleive in them, and so do their friends and other family. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "...That says chit Nedthan...why?" Posted by DAWN on 18:07:47 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:07:47, 8/08/2001 ...No one would believe their own family could be capable of any horrific crime....would they? AND even for one slightest moment...even if there was a doubt...? Realistically...family members would be scared to openly talk about it...even with eachother...to begin with... We don't know what the other family members really think...do we...? As if they'd tell us...huh? dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Florida" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 18:02:09 8/08/2001 ahhhhhhhhhhhh yawwwwwwwwwwwn. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Well, FWIW" Posted by Ev on 18:33:48 8/08/2001 OJ's family knew what happened, and they talked about it too! Whether or not they love the family member that did the murdering, they stick by out of family unity and denial. Wouldn't we all? As for getting on with life, yes, that's what they do. It still sticks in the craw of us all to see them continue on in happiness when we are pretty sure about what happened at Jon Benet's demise. Nope --can't prove it, but we know anyway. 100% of the circumstantial evidence and the rest of the concrete evidence convinces me beyond a reasonable doubt, and we haven't even seen all the proof! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Ned sweetheart" Posted by Thor on 18:21:35 8/08/2001 Ever since Aurora mentioned that she saw the Rams in Michigan, Jams accused her of stalking them. Now, she's doing it again since Aurora posted the pictures. That's what I'm referring to. They even got into stalking laws over there last week. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "...Hey Thor..." Posted by DAWN on 18:28:40 8/08/2001 ...Where's your warmth you promised me...?? Needing it girl...do you want to see my grey face?..uh..oh...!!! dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Hey Dawn!" Posted by Thor on 18:31:25 8/08/2001 Well, I'm sure as hell trying! We're supposed to get a cool front tomorrow so maybe it'll go your way then! LOL! Wish I was where you were.. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Aurora, the html for copyright..." Posted by Dunvegan on 18:40:49 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 18:40:49, 8/08/2001 ...is an ampersand, then the word "copy", then a semi-colon...all run together as one word. Put it in front of your name. Then, it will look like this: (c) Justice Watch 2000 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "...Thor...Same here..." Posted by DAWN on 18:37:48 8/08/2001 ...no mistaking it....I put out my kids' paddling pool last week...y'see..the sun showed it's face for 5 whole minutes...and I promised them.... The problem is..it hasn't stopped raining since...and the pool is just filling up...and filling up...I feel sorry for my boys...because it is their summer holiday away from school and they are stuck in the house... ..Tomorrow...I will go out in the garden and do a sun dance...(not too "normal" if my neighbours saw me...but what the heck!) dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Try it Dawn" Posted by Thor on 18:40:15 8/08/2001 What have ya got to lose? Except your dignity, especially if you do this dance naked. Whoa.. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "...Er...Thor...Tried it..." Posted by DAWN on 18:42:01 8/08/2001 ...Didn't work...not enough there to offer...I guess!!! Now all that's left is my little lilac sequinned number...what do you think...??? dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Dun and all:" Posted by Aurora on 18:56:26 8/08/2001 Help me fix that so the swamp can't post them. People... I was at a public event and spotted the Rams and took a few pics. I don't think that is a crime nor is it stalking. All the photos were taken from the back or side. I am sure had I gone up to Patsy and told her that I read her book ( I got it from the library)..that and recognized her...SHE would have happily posed for me. She was on an outing...to show off that grandkid of hers. They didn't care who saw them. It is a free country. The swamp ..where I do not go ..BTW...can't stand it that I ran into their icons. So...some people don't have Patsy on a pedstal....like me..Aurora! Too bad... I dont' condone murder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "...Aurora...please don't let them do that to you..." Posted by DAWN on 19:00:42 8/08/2001 ...you have done NOTHING wrong...do not them them make you lose confidence...Stupid people...grabbing at anything...that is all... ...You did good...It kept the passion for Justice burning stronger...great stuff... dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Aurora" Posted by Kelly on 19:29:11 8/08/2001 I only know about it because I was notified that someone was posting over there as "kelly". I went and looked and sure enough.... DON'T confuse that "kelly", with me. I went over and cleared it up on their "public input forum" and then lo and behold, someone named Lisa started posting over there, and she put a copyright in front of her name. Many of you know that's my real name. They are just mad at some of us because we've got Patsy's pictures. hahahaha. Guess I'll go to the courthouse tomorrow and change my name since it's been copyrighted by someone else, lol. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Dawn" Posted by Thor on 18:49:05 8/08/2001 Your chances might be even better to leave a little to the imagination, Hah! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Aurora" Posted by JR on 19:17:49 8/08/2001 You are right in that you have done nothing wrong. Hirself is simply jealous because you scooped hir. Copy and paste the little symbol below on all of your pictures where you wrote your sub-titles. Also edit your first message with the link and add somthing to the effect that these photos are under copywrite and no one is allowed to use them with out written permission from you. The symbol is: (c) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Aurora: Advice Regarding Copyright" Posted by Dunvegan on 19:56:26 8/08/2001 Aurora, you were covered by U. S. copyright laws the very moment you pressed the shutter on your camera. You're covered still. From http://whatiscopyright.org What is a Copyright? Copyright is a protection that covers published and unpublished literary, scientific and artistic works, whatever the form of expression, provided such works are fixed in a tangible or material form. This means that if you can see it, hear it and/or touch it - it may be protected. If it is an essay, if it is a play, if it is a song, if it is a funky original dance move, if it is a photograph, HTML coding or a computer graphic that can be set on paper, recorded on tape or saved to a hard drive, it may be protected. Copyright laws grant the creator the exclusive right to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute, perform and display the work publicly. Exclusive means only the creator of such work, not anybody who has access to it and decides to grab it. When does Copyright Protection begin, and what is required? Copyright protection begins when any of the above described work is actually created and fixed in a tangible form. If you write a poem, your copyright over that poem begins as soon as you set it in tangible form by writing the poem down on paper. Your copyright does not begin when you register it. It began when you wrote the poem on paper. Registering a copyright is just taking the protection a step further so as to leave no room for doubt that one is the creator of a work. My brother is a poet and musician. When he writes a new lyric, he immediately prints it out on paper, signs his name at the bottom with the (c) symbol to establish himself as the author, places it in an envelope and mails it to himself without opening it. His copyright begins when he prints it out on paper and sets his lyric in a tangible form. He creates proof as soon as he mails it to himself - the postmark establishes the date of creation. He then registers his copyright to further establish himself as the author, and because he happens to live in the United States and that is required for him to be able to sue for monetary damages. However, if somebody copies his lyric without permission before his copyright is registered, he still has the right to assert his copyright claim. The same applies to digital art and graphics...open a gif or jpg file that you created and look at the properties. It states the date that you saved it to your hard drive as the date of creation. If somebody copies a graphic from your web site I assure you that the date of creation on your copy of the file is earlier than the copy taken off your web site. Still doesn't feel safe enough to you? How about saving everything to a floppy and mailing it to yourself via certified mail? Keep the envelope sealed, wrap it in protective plastic and stash it in a safe place. Somebody once asked if it was "illegal" to place the copyright (c) symbol next to your name if you have not registered your copyright. Unless you have stolen the work from somebody else and you are not the true author of the work, it is not illegal to place the copyright (c) symbol next to your name - it is your right to do so. Copyrights and the Internet. Public domain - not! When visiting a web site, it is so easy to click and save with a mouse button when one sees a graphic image that one likes, or to view the source code and copy part of or all of the HTML coding because one "likes the way this or that was done" or one "wants a similar layout", or to copy original writings because "that person expresses this or that so well". The general (and incorrect) notion is that anything that is on the internet is public domain and may be taken without permission from the creator/owner.... These are false statements. Just because your backyard is not inside of your house, is it in the public domain? Does that give anybody off the street the right to step foot into your backyard without your permission, even if they can see it from the street, or easily access it? Well, the same applies to material published on the internet. Such material may be copied if - and only if - the information is created by the (i) federal government, (ii) if the copyright has expired or (iii) the copyright has been abandoned by the holder. Therefore, "internet" and "public domain" are not synonymous...any work published on the internet is not automatically placed it in the public domain, unless the material in question complies with one or more of the characteristics mentioned. Copyright (c) 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 R. Delgado-Martinez, Esq. There's more... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "A Typical Copyright Infringement Statement" Posted by Dunvegan on 20:01:50 8/08/2001 Copyright Terms Images and textual descriptions featured on this Internet site are provided for reference use only. Copyright of images is in effect, and unauthorized reproduction of images may constitute copyright infringement. Re-use or publication (including distribution of images via the Internet) is prohibited without the written permission of the owner. All text and images (c) [owner's name] 2001. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Dun and JR and others:" Posted by Aurora on 21:08:48 8/08/2001 Thanks for all the (c) advice. I put that on all my pics and posted it on my first post. Someone go to the swamp and tell the swamp mistress that she has stolen (c) pictures and I demand that she remove them ASAP. Mrs. Brady ..YOU have my permission to use any pics on your site... if you.. so desire. *S* Jessa Ash: Glad you noticed that I purposely used the K-mart album pages to show my Charlevoix pix. Thor: Thanks for letting me know that my (c) pictures were stolen. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 103. ""Aurora"" Posted by Tristan on 00:52:07 8/14/2001 I wanted to know how I can see your pictures. When I clicked on the link, it said that they were no longer available. Is there any way I could see them? Thanks. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "What the U. S. Copyright Office has to say..." Posted by Dunvegan on 20:57:45 8/08/2001 Here is the mother of all U.S. copyright information sites on the internet...a great resource regarding copyright laws: The U.S. Copyright Office; Copyright Basics http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html WHAT IS COPYRIGHT? Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of "original works of authorship," including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following: 1.To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords; 2.To prepare derivative works based upon the work; 3.To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending; 4.To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works; 5.To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and 6.In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission. In addition, certain authors of works of visual art have the rights of attribution and integrity as described in section 106A of the 1976 Copyright Act. For further information, request Circular 40, "Copyright Registration for Works of the Visual Arts." Also found here: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ40.pdf It is illegal for anyone to violate any of the rights provided by the copyright law to the owner of copyright. WHO CAN CLAIM COPYRIGHT Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright. HOW TO SECURE A COPYRIGHT Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. (See following Note.) There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See "Copyright Registration." Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work is "created" when it is fixed in a copy or phonorecord for the first time. "Copies" are material objects from which a work can be read or visually perceived either directly or with the aid of a machine or device, such as books, manuscripts, sheet music, film, videotape, or microfilm. NOTICE OF COPYRIGHT The use of a copyright notice is no longer required under U. S. law, although it is often beneficial. Because prior law did contain such a requirement, however, the use of notice is still relevant to the copyright status of older works. Use of the notice may be important because it informs the public that the work is protected by copyright, identifies the copyright owner, and shows the year of first publication. Furthermore, in the event that a work is infringed, if a proper notice of copyright appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in section 504(c)(2) of the copyright law. Innocent infringement occurs when the infringer did not realize that the work was protected. The use of the copyright notice is the responsibility of the copyright owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration with, the Copyright Office. Form of Notice for Visually Perceptible Copies The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain all the following three elements: 1. The symbol (c) (the letter C in a circle), or the word "Copyright," or the abbreviation "Copr."; and 2. The year of first publication of the work. In the case of compilations or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful article; and 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner. Example: (c) 2000 John Doe You're covered, Aurora. Post an infringement notice at you photo album, and a copyright symbol and your name. I'm not a lawyer, so here is my unlearned opinion: the Ramseys are minimally, at the very least, limited public figures when it comes to commentary regarding the unsolved murder of JonBenet Ramsey...and in the broadest sense plain old public figures. Your pictures belong to you. Post the copyright notice and send Jameson a cease and desist request. Meanwhile...Aurora, I'd like to ask you if you would mind giving Justice Watch written permission to link to your photographs, as long as it is for non-profit and educational use? And, I completely respect and support any decision you should chose to make in this matter. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Dun" Posted by Aurora on 21:48:25 8/08/2001 I don't have the swamp mistress's email nor web site. Since I have given your website permission and that is where they were taken from... could you please let her swampness know that she has stolen a (c) works and I have the negatives to prove it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Dun" Posted by Aurora on 21:40:18 8/08/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:40:18, 8/08/2001 Justice Watch has the exclusive on my pictures. Justice Watch has MY permission to use these pictures on it's web site. They say that every picture tells a story. Or is it that.. a pictures is worth a thousand words? *LOL* BTW... I added a coupla more pics to my site. I was tempted to put in one of me with the Charlevoix lighthouse and thought...*naw*...Why give the swamp mistress my image? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Pictures" Posted by Aurora on 21:28:25 8/08/2001 Any of you that have read their book have heard them speak of Charlevoix and "SummerHill" and the places they went to.. there. I live close to Charlevoix and was there sight seeing. By sharing my photos with you... you too ..could see why Ram's love Charlevoix. It really is a beautiful little town. My pics brought their words ..to life for those of you that have never been there. I am glad JW'ers are enjoying them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Aurora" Posted by Pennant on 21:38:50 8/08/2001 I can't see why anyone could honestly complain that you took these pictures. Whoever said that Jams is jealous that you ran into her icons is probably right. That is a truly beautiful place. I can see why you went there and thanks for sharing the pics. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Aurora" Posted by Thor on 21:35:46 8/08/2001 No problem, honey. By the way, I got slammed by hir highness, in case you didn't know, for posting that my friend saw the Rams at a casino several months ago. No pictures were taken, but hir took my post wrong and thought by posting this Ram siting they could not go in public places & get on with things. Although I thing these people belong in jail for at LEAST obstruction of justice, I never once said they couldn't go in a casino. Just mentioning a siting is all I did and it got blown out of proportion. Hir wants to see them first. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Hirself" Posted by JR on 21:44:38 8/08/2001 I wouldn't worry much about hir's opinion, especially in view of the fact that hir managed to get hirself so deeply intwined in the case as to have managed to meet the Ramsey's, which both the Ramsey's and hirself admit to and that's not stalking? Talk about sick minds. Jams you do not have my permission to copy my post unless you do it in full. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Aurora: Regarding Cease and Desist Demand" Posted by Dunvegan on 22:31:11 8/08/2001 I'm not certain that it is appropriate for me to interject myself into this situation that directly, Aurora. I hope you do not think that I've gone cowardly on you...but, I actually believe that a message directly from you to Jameson requesting that she cease and desist would carry the most legal and moral legitimacy But, failing being able to do more, I can give you a sample of a copyright infringement cease and desist demand letter...and point you to Jameson's publicly posted e-mail address. I have found the following cease and desist demand, and it is rather generic. To [name]: It has come to my attention that you have made an unauthorized use of my copyrighted work entitled [name of work(s)] (the "Work") and re-published work to a publication which is known at an Internet forum located at http://www.webbsleuths.com (the "Forum"). I have reserved all rights in the Work, first published on [date]. No part of (this,these) work(s), including text, images and computer code, may be reproduced or copied in any form or by any means... without the express prior written permission of myself, [name.] As you neither asked for nor received permission for you to re-publish said Work on the Forum, nor to make or distribute copies of same, I believe you have willfully infringed my rights under 17 U.S.C. Section 101 et seq. I demand that you cease the use and distribution of all infringing re-publication of the Work(s) on the Forum immediately and that you desist from this or any other infringement of my rights in the future. If I have not received an affirmative response from you by [date] indicating that you have fully complied with these requirements, I shall take further action against you. Very truly yours, [Your Name] The e-mail address that Jameson posts at her forum, for issues related to her forum, is available here: jameson245@aol.com [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "JR" Posted by Aurora on 21:55:22 8/08/2001 I wasn't impressed when I saw them. Repulsed...is a better word. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Aurora..." Posted by PegB on 22:18:21 8/08/2001 ...thanks for sharing the pics. As I was viewing them my 19 year old daughter (who did not have one clue as to what I was looking at) passed behind me and spotted the side view picture of the "crew", she pointed to a young blond girl behind the "crew" and said "That looks like a grownup JonBenet". And the girl does... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "PegB" Posted by Chart on 23:16:01 8/08/2001 I know exactly to which picture you were referring. I thought the same thing and it kinda gave me a chill. Your daughter is quite perceptive. Aurora - Thanks for sharing your photos. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "Personally, fly?" Posted by FT on 22:45:23 8/08/2001 You asked, "What, realistically, do you expect the Ramseys to do each day?" What I would like the Ramseys to do each day is the following: Tomorrow: Confess. Next Day: 6:45 am - Wake up call. Make bunk. Gather toiletries. 7:00 am - Group shower with other cellblock inmates. Take great care not to drop soap. Towel dry, comb hair, don orange jumpsuit ... You get the idea. Just because the Ramseys hit the jackpot and dodged an indictment by the legal incompetents in Boulder doesn't mean they shouldn't atone for murdering their daughter by confessing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "FT" Posted by Aurora on 23:31:07 8/08/2001 Right on !!! Tomorrow and for the rest of their lives... the privilege of freedom being taken away and replaced by bars and a locked door. Child killers should never be paroled...either. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Dun" Posted by Aurora on 23:22:05 8/08/2001 Thanks for the help. If HIR doesn't comply...we will discuss my follow up actions in private email. Anyone that has any other comments that they wish to remain between us ...may email me at auroraanne@hotmail.com [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "LOL FT" Posted by v_p on 05:51:59 8/09/2001 7:00 am - Group shower with other cellblock inmates. Take great care not to drop soap. Towel dry, comb hair, don orange jumpsuit ... Aww, I think dropping the soap should be part of the punishment... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "Great pictures, Aurora" Posted by Watching you on 07:01:11 8/09/2001 it was a public place, and you broke no laws by taking pictures of a group of people in a public place. People do it all the time. Even if you went right up to the Ramseys and stuck a camera in their faces, you would have been breaking no laws - the media do it all the time - they have no laws protecting them that don't protect you the same. My first impression from these pictures had to do with Patsy's black outfit. Having been in the throes of one of the worst heat waves to hit this area of the country in years (today is supposed to be the worst - high 90's, heat index around 105, record-setting heat today), I know better than to wear black or any dark colors that absorb the heat. I found myself wondering why Patsy dressed all in black when it was obviously a warm day there. I understand what Tricia is trying to say. If one believes the Ramseys are responsible for their daughter's death and have gotten away with murder, it is a travesty they should be walking around having fun instead of sitting in a prison cell. To some it is just more of their in-your-face attitude. I personally didn't get that feeling from those pictures, though. I couldn't see their faces well, and I am not psychic, but I felt a sense of sadness and depression emanating from those photos. I really think most of the joy is gone from their lives - their little spark plug is gone. If they are responsible for her demise (and I think at least one of them probably is) they are carrying a huge burden. I felt it, looking at those pictures, but I can't tell you why I felt that way. I think that regardless of their public faces, they are suffering unimaginable emotional tortures. Do not misconstrue that to mean I feel sorry for them. They brought all this on themselves, IMO. God is their judge, not me. I don't believe they will ever know real peace on this earth. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "FT and VP" Posted by JR on 07:11:38 8/09/2001 I don't think dropping the soap is going to make much difference for child killers in prison. More likely, child killers need to watch their backs at all times. ;-\ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "AMEN, WY!!!" Posted by Bets on 07:51:36 8/09/2001 I was just going to do a quick read-through of the threads before heading up the road to LAX and a 1:30 pm flight to Maui. But then I read your post, WY. That is EXACTLY what I felt when I looked at those pictures - and what I have often felt in the past, reading and hearing about the Ramseys. How could they not feel a sense of sadness, walking around that picture-perfect town, where they once had so many family times together with their exquisite little girl, JonBenet? And Patsy viewing the crowning of Miss Whatever - how poignant could that have been? Remembering her own Little Miss Charlevoix and all the hopes and dreams she had pinned on her pageant future. The stroller pictures - it must seem like only a blink of an eye (and yet so long ago) that they wheeled their own youngest baby girl around that pretty little summer town. Like you, WY, I could just feel the sadness from those pictures. Whether the Ramseys end up being prosecuted or not, I don't believe they'll ever be truly happy again. The grief of losing JonBenet and living with the terrible, dark secret of her murder will haunt them the rest of their days. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Hir mad, hir making threats..." Posted by Charley on 08:41:55 8/09/2001 Hir say the Ramsesy's know, Lin knows, hir has given them your name and hir is spitting venom! Funny hows hir knickers get knotted when someone gets a scoop and then dares to question the Ratsey's motives and behaviors! Hir knows the Ramsey's are moving on without remorse! Hir knows Ratsy can't avoid the pageant scene...her knows Ratsy all to well! Hir knows the Ramsey's alone point and continue to point to there own guilt. You think the Patsy wouldn't be able to sit through a pageant. You would think that would remind her about what JB would have look like at that age and having the crown....continuing to live in Patsy's world! Fulfilling Patsy's dream! That alone would drive you mad if you were normal and had a conscience! Both of them are vile. Hope a snake bites them in the a** [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Ruthless" Posted by doScubie on 08:40:57 8/09/2001 #1 - Aurora, excellent job in your pictures - we need to do more of that - those 2 don't deserve any "peace" until they give in #2 - They are ruthless and shouldn't be free to walk this earth, happy or not #3 - They have no conscience or they couldn't do these things #4 - What should they be doing???? --- Well let's see, acting like Chandra Levy's mother (true sorrow) would be a start. I haven't seen that from either of them since she/they killed JB #5 - There's plenty of proof she/they were involved - innocent parents don't hide from the police for 4 months, while they get their stories straight, or let their only other residing kid leave, in the supposed presence of a possible kidnapper; or write a note on their own paper, with their own pen and in their own handwriting; or leave the house with their kid's dead body lying there; or throw all the people who were not involved under the bus asap to save their own asses. That's just a few. #6 - If she had been found outdoors, and there was evidence of a break-in, and some solid evidence pointing elsewhere, I might consider someone else did this, but they didn't. It's very simple. And I don't believe Burke did it, or they would have kept him under cover as well, afraid he would tell. #7 - I'm also on ignore and have been for months - I find it a total waste of my time to discuss this case with pro-Scams. I don't flame them, just won't respond. They were involved, period. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "WY and Bets" Posted by LurkerXIV on 08:40:36 8/09/2001 I disagree. Stone cold sociopaths like John and Phatsy-Ass feel no remorse or sorrow whatsoever, as long as they can satisfy their own egotistical whims every day. Feel sorry for JonBenet. She is the victim here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "Maybe, Lurker" Posted by Watching you on 08:45:15 8/09/2001 but read my post again. I said not to misconstrue my post to think I feel sorry for them. I don't. You may be right about them, but I just have a different feeling about these pictures. OTOH, those feelings tend to change from day to day. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "WY and Bets" Posted by FT on 09:13:19 8/09/2001 Take another look at Patsy in picture #11. She is yucking it up. She is practically doing the funky chicken. Also, WY, I think this festival took place before the current heat wave. Many people are wearing long pants and long sleeves. And, anyway, lots of people wear black in the heat of summer (myself included). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "Personally, I'm ready to go to the wall..." Posted by Dunvegan on 09:51:09 8/09/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:51:09, 8/09/2001 ...on this one. First Amendment rights. After all...Dunvegan Castle DOES have a dungeon, you know.... Edited to fix e-mail link. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dunvegan ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "Now she wants" Posted by Florida on 09:44:23 8/09/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:44:23, 8/09/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:43:06, 8/09/2001 Aurora to send her real name and phone number so she can verify that the person who sent the email asking her to take it down is indeed Aurora. How can she verify that a hat is a hat by getting the real name and phone number of the hat? She's called Aurora a stalker and harrasser and thinks there should be a law against taking pics of the Rams in a public place (since thats all she did to "stalk" them) and actually thinks that Aurora should send her real name and phone number to her. LOLOL Send me your real name and phone number - if I verify it is really you asking the link be removed, I will take it down. Sounds fair to me! This is really good too.... Stalking, harassing, and encouraging hate against the Ramseys - there should be a law.....and the government should protect ALL citizens from such potentially dangerous behavior. Taking pictures in a public place, saying murderer out loud and "encouraging hate against the Ramsey's" - She's right, there should be a law - against stupid statements like that! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "Florida" Posted by Aurora on 10:10:40 8/09/2001 There should be a LAW ..alright. A law that puts murderers behind bars. There is no law against taking pics while on vacation. Count how many other people are in alot of those pics? Spewing hate against the Ramsey's? Nope..they don't need me for that. The choice they made is the price they are paying. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "Well, hell, FT" Posted by Watching you on 09:34:35 8/09/2001 you really do? I have a thing about black clothing. My color analysis told me I look awful in black, so I never wear it. Well, that's not exactly true, either, I do wear black wool/flannel skirts and slacks in the winter time, but never black sweaters or shirts. Hate them, just hate them. But, hey, that's just my own peculiar quirk. Some people look stunning in black - I am not one of them. I saw people there with sleeveless shirts, too, so it was sort of hard to tell the temperature. Dark colors absorb heat - that's the reason I don't wear them in the summer - light colors are cooler - cottons are best. But, never let it be said WY can't be agreeable. Haha, if y'all want to wear black and suffocate in the summer heat, feel free. You are probably one of those winter people (color chart wise) who looks ravishing in black. I'll stick to creams, myself, thank you very much. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "Aurora" Posted by JR on 10:13:58 8/09/2001 IMHO, it's fairly common knowledge hirself lurks here because hir steals our posts so hir knows dang good and well who you are. Do not send hir your real name and phone number - hir doesn't need that information and hir will most likely post it on hir site. Jams, you do not have permission to steal my posts unless you post them in their entirety. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "JR" Posted by Aurora on 11:16:24 8/09/2001 Not to worry..I am not dumb like she thinks...I am. Let them threaten me ...all they like. They will cease using my pics one way or another. Go over and see if the link still works...JR. Thanks! BTW...it was a nice warm day here during the festival...but not the heat wave we are now having. They prolly had long sleeves and sweaters with them for the evenings fireworks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "Aurora" Posted by JR on 11:50:34 8/09/2001 Go over where - LOL! Your link above or to the swamp? I try to avoid that place unless someone tells me my posts have been swiped. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 86. "Aurora" Posted by Mini on 12:19:40 8/09/2001 Did you take down your pictures? I just checked and they're no longer available. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 83. "JR" Posted by Aurora on 11:55:41 8/09/2001 Sorry...I thought you waded into the swamp..now and again. I want to see is she still has my link posted. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "what a joke" Posted by ayjey on 11:55:29 8/09/2001 4 . "So sad" Posted by jameson on Aug-09-01 at 08:47 AM (EST) to look on the internet and see that if people log on to research the Ramsey case they find so much garbage! So many lies, myths, insane rantings. I am glad we have a place where we can correct the lies - - and this IS a respected site that is seen by many. Keep on, friends. The truth is out there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 85. "LOL" Posted by Florida on 12:07:09 8/09/2001 and this IS a respected site that is seen by many. Yeah, mostly us looking for another goofy post of hers to comment on.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 84. "Thor" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 12:04:52 8/09/2001 Ever since Aurora mentioned that she saw the Rams in Michigan, Jams accused her of stalking them. Now, she's doing it again since Aurora posted the pictures. That's what I'm referring to. They even got into stalking laws over there last week. Nedd: OH thanks Thor for clearing that up. That's silly. I don't think Aurora was stalking, by the pictures, she didn't even get close enough, she should work for the National Enquirer LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 88. "Hi, Ned" Posted by Thor on 12:32:09 8/09/2001 I agree and do not think this is equal to stalking at all. Aurora saw them at a public event and anyone can take pictures of anyone at such an event. She did not pester them or walk around behind them forever and I think this is stretching it a bit to call this stalking. Yeah, what about the tabloids that catch all these celebrities at wherever they are. It's not a crime. She could have been taking pictures of anyone. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 87. "WOW Watching You" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 12:22:07 8/09/2001 WY: I personally didn't get that feeling from those pictures, though. I couldn't see their faces well, and I am not psychic, but I felt a sense of sadness and depression emanating from those photos. I really think most of the joy is gone from their lives - their little spark plug is gone. If they are responsible for her demise (and I think at least one of them probably is) they are carrying a huge burden. I felt it, looking at those pictures, but I can't tell you why I felt that way. I think that regardless of their public faces, they are suffering unimaginable emotional tortures. Do not misconstrue that to mean I feel sorry for them. They brought all this on themselves, IMO. God is their judge, not me. I don't believe they will ever know real peace on this earth. Nedd: Couldn't help to comment on your comment. Good Show. I too got the sense from looking at those photos. Perhaps the body language? Very sad indeed. Regardles. Glad to see you too have a heart WY. :0) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 89. "Aurora" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 12:47:26 8/09/2001 What happened to your photos? Please re-post them. I was interested in viewing the child that looked like JB. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 90. "I think that, at this time..." Posted by Dunvegan on 14:04:09 8/09/2001 ...it is reasonable and rational for Aurora to take her photos off-line. Further developments later. Thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 91. "Aurora" Posted by doScubie on 14:58:02 8/09/2001 I knew you wouldn't fall for that "give me your name stuff". IT probably would just give it straight to the Scams, so they could hire someone to kill you too. Also, from all the comments everyone is giving, I'm beginning to wonder if the hir is a in-bred half-sister of Pastys. She sure is defensive - pretty funny when you consider they are guilty. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 92. "Dunvegan" Posted by Tricia on 16:32:11 8/09/2001 Are you and Aurora getting heat from the dark side? From the man who poses with his horse? You know Lin Woodforbrains? If you are what can we do to help? Will Aurora's pictures be back up soon? Let me know Thanks Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 93. "Tricia" Posted by JR on 16:54:55 8/09/2001 Aurora copyrighted her pictures, asked hirself to remove the link and hirself refused. So maybe they were taken down so the link will be "broken?" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 94. "Jammy stalks plenty" Posted by Moab on 17:47:39 8/09/2001 Would what Jammy did to Linda Pugh's family be considered stalking? She posted pictures of strangers and stated her belief these were of the Pugh's child being molested by her father. She turned these into the BPD and caused further harrassment of the Pughs under the excuse she was doing her civic duty. She constantly posts disparaging remarks about Mrs. Pugh, implying she or someone in her family may be a child killer. What about Steve Thomas? She has posted his home address on her site. She has sanctioned posts on her site that imply or state he is a child killer. She has encouraged if not downright advocated hatred of him. What's the difference here? How is that not stalking but Aurora's onetime encounter with the Ramseys at a public event near her home and photographing pictures of their former and present summer homes is? Those homes were both written about and publicized by the Ramseys themselves and their legal representative Lin Wood. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 95. "...Moab...Hello nice to meet you..." Posted by DAWN on 17:50:49 8/09/2001 ...This is totally outrageous....CAN we do something about this...???? dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 96. "Well-done, Aurora!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 19:03:39 8/09/2001 You certainly hit a nerve with John-Boy and Phatsy with your candid camera shots of them schmoozing and yucking it up in Charlevoix, days before the birthday of their murdered child. It was a grand coup,and it really has their knickers in a knot when they have to send Lin Wood and the whole spin team into attack mode. Next time, sell the photos directly to the tabs. They will know what to do with them. And they won't back down and kowtow to the Woody or his murderous clients. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 98. "Here's Some Legal Information Regarding..." Posted by Dunvegan on 19:44:40 8/09/2001 ...hyperlinking to documents/text/images: From LinkLaw: http://www.ldrc.com/cyber2.html#CopyrightInfringement 1.The law recognizes a presumptive right to make reference links, (e.g., URLs, plain hypertext links.) 2.Self-proclaimed restrictions against linking are probably not effective or enforceable, (e.g., asking someone to not link to your site is no remedy.) 3.The strongest unilateral action one could take would be a technological barrier to linking to one's site (e.g., pasword-protecting, or link blocking and breaking technologies.) The photographs were posted to a publically-accessible Internet address (entering the address into a web browser takes you to the site automatically.) The only way you can control exactly who has access to online photographs is via authorization technology, such as password-protection, or anti-copying/anti-linking utilities. Legal recourse is somewhat cloudy...but is clarifying as time goes on. The trend in the courts is towards more latitude in allowing the use of hyperlinks. Most courts are contradicting early rulings that upheld the position that the unauthorized use of hyperlinks could be considered some form of trespass. Since hyperlinking is one of the most fundemental technologies of the Internet, it is more and more often considered draconian for the courts to disallow hyperlinking, or to even attempt to curb the use of hyperlinks, in any way. There are some limited exceptions, such as cases involving contributory infringement claims, et. al. Copyright law doesn't come into play in this particular instance. Copying this post to another site, without my express permission, is actionable. Publishing a URL to this post is not. The World Wide Web is still the Wild, Wild West...this area of law is not yet completely codified, but the trajectory of rulings suggest that the best way to limit access to your intellectual property is to make certain that it cannot be directly linked to and viewed via a URL. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 97. "Lurker/All" Posted by Aurora on 19:44:26 8/09/2001 Who said...I backed down? I didn't take any money for those pics. I posted them to share my vacation day with you. Let's just say a broken link fixes someone elses site ..for the present. Stay tuned..it isn't over~ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 101. "Starting a new thread..." Posted by Dunvegan on 20:02:14 8/09/2001 ...everyone. See you there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 99. "Aurora" Posted by JR on 19:51:35 8/09/2001 You can post pictures on a Yahoo site and limit who can view them either by password (unfortunately yours) or by adding in email addresses. Of course Dun would have to assure you that none of those who posted their email addresses on the "Staying in touch thread" is the "problem." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 100. "PLEASE GO TO THREAD II" Posted by JR on 19:53:41 8/09/2001 For our Webbies. Thanks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 102. "Pictures" Posted by Jodie on 21:54:25 8/09/2001 I tried to bring up the pictures, but it said that the album has been removed. Am I doing something wrong, or were they removed? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Jodie ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE