"An open letter " jameson's Links Timeline News Chat Forum Archives Cord Photos Email [Lobby] [Main] [Help] [Search] Coffee? Forum Type: Protected Moderator: jameson Time Zone: EST Printer Friendly Format Original Message "An open letter " Posted by jams on Aug-12-00 at 05:32 PM (EST) This was posted on Murphy's forum. "Okay" Posted by Misty on 06:56:55 8/12/2000 "I called the city police where Dixie is located and gave them the information. They are sending child welfare out there. I have the event #, which I am not going to post; however, I can call back and find out what action has been taken. That I will post." I am documenting this for obvious reasons. If the investigating authorities or attorneys want to talk to me, I would ask them to contact me via email using their company email address. I will then open communication with them. I have the thread and the names, addresses and phone numbers of both Dixie and Misty. If any investigators or lawyers need this information, I will share it. I believe posters need to be responsible for what they post. Let the truth be exposed. All of it. And let the chips fall where they may. Madison is OK - I am thankful for that. The rest is a sideshow I don't intend to dwell on - but I will not protect any poster here who is doing harm to another. If the investigators need to know who these people are, all they need do is ask. [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] Table of Contents Misty wants, jams, 05:48 PM, Aug-12-00 For the record, jams, 05:51 PM, Aug-12-00 porn is:, jams, 06:00 PM, Aug-12-00 Thank God I have the opportunity, Sweebie, 06:55 PM, Aug-12-00 What did I miss??, Ashley, 07:37 PM, Aug-12-00 Sweebie excellent post, SpiritRain, 08:40 PM, Aug-12-00 Well, this is my opinion...., Maikai, 00:35 AM, Aug-13-00 Conscience, Sweebie, 01:21 AM, Aug-13-00 You know, Guppy, 01:51 AM, Aug-13-00 Guppy, Sweebie, 01:58 AM, Aug-13-00 Here's what bothers me the most.., Foster, 02:09 AM, Aug-13-00 Are stun guns, pinky5, 04:26 AM, Aug-13-00 Sweebie, Guppy, 07:03 AM, Aug-13-00 Not at all , Sweebie, 10:53 AM, Aug-13-00 Things that Must Be Clarified, Dixie, 09:22 AM, Aug-13-00 Hi Dixie, Bluefire, 10:45 AM, Aug-13-00 Thanks, Dixie....for setting, Maikai, 10:49 AM, Aug-13-00 Continuing the record, Sweebie, 11:22 AM, Aug-13-00 well?, DC, 11:37 AM, Aug-13-00 grown ups, jameson, 12:35 PM, Aug-13-00 Dixie You crossed the line, Fluppy, 12:59 PM, Aug-13-00 Well...another thing..., Foster, 01:55 PM, Aug-13-00 Response to Dixie, jameson, 01:37 PM, Aug-13-00 Misty's latest, Guppy, 02:18 PM, Aug-13-00 Guppy, jameson, 02:21 PM, Aug-13-00 Misty's post, jameson, 02:18 PM, Aug-13-00 My Opinion, Sparrow, 03:34 PM, Aug-13-00 If you read my post you will see th..., Dixie, 04:11 PM, Aug-13-00 names, jameson, 04:43 PM, Aug-13-00 I agree with Jams' last thought, Bluefire, 04:58 PM, Aug-13-00 Blue, Sweebie, 05:27 PM, Aug-13-00 I have not said a word or do I plan..., B, 06:40 PM, Aug-13-00 Hi Sweebie, Bluefire, 06:53 PM, Aug-13-00 I agree with Maikai, Guppy, Jams, B..., Afton, 07:08 PM, Aug-13-00 True confession...., Maikai, 10:16 PM, Aug-13-00 Goodbye Dixie, LovelyPigeon, 11:47 PM, Aug-13-00 Just a little more "Clarificat..., Sparrow, 01:02 AM, Aug-14-00 Messages in this discussion 1 . "Misty wants" Posted by jams on Aug-12-00 at 05:48 PM (EST) I think this is interesting - and should be part of this record. Posted by Misty on Murphy's Munitrading site: "Will Jameson ban Dixie? She should. And, she should do it publically -- as she did me. If she doesn't, then she is certainly showing favoritism." Misty was banned for posting misinformation and attempting to disrupt the forum by causing dissention between posters. The majority of posters who expressed any opinion on the matter were relieved to see her go. While we have some posters here who don't care for other posters, I don't see anyone trying to disrupt the group and no one will be banned. We are adults and can agree to disagree. Nicely. If someone doesn't care for another poster on a personal level, if they are offended by their posts, I would ask them to ignore that person's messages. Simple enough. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 2 . "For the record" Posted by jams on Aug-12-00 at 05:51 PM (EST) From another forum... "What mother in her right mind would post pictures of her young child's rear end on the Internet whether it had stun gun marks or not?" For the record, the photo of the child showed her hip - it was not enough of her "rear end" to show any crack or genitals. While I myself was not altogether comfortable with the photo - it was NOT porn - - far from it. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 3 . "porn is:" Posted by jams on Aug-12-00 at 06:00 PM (EST) The US government defines child pornography as that which shows "sexually explicit conduct", actual or simulated. Such conduct is: 1. sexual intercourse, includes genital-genital, oral-genital, anal- genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; 2. bestiality; 3. masturbation; 4. sadistic or masochistic abuse; or 5. lascivious exhibition of the genitals or public area of any person The photo showed skin, her hip and back. No buttocks - no crack, no genitals. No porn [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 4 . "Thank God I have the opportunity" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-12-00 at 06:55 PM (EST) to express my opinion, I have been very upset about this. When I made the first post on that thread, I was shocked. As the afternoon wore on, and I kept reading, I became even MORE worried and appalled. This is so disturbing on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin. My head is spinning with all the different aspects of the possible scenarios that might explain the initial post. I won't go into detail, but they have been posted on other forums. Silence is often viewed as consent, so I cannot be silent. Evil flourishes when good people do nothing. I am not saying that what happened was evil, but there is something NOT RIGHT with this whole thing, and I think everyone realizes it. I can understand why someone would want to make sure that the girl was alright. That was the foremost concern on EVERONE'S mind. That concern was placed there by Dixie herself. It was a bizarre initial post, and became more bizarre as she continued to post. Dixie said she was leaving the forum in one of her posts. I think that is an excellent decision. I could go on and on about this. But I will stop here for now. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 5 . "What did I miss??" Posted by Ashley on Aug-12-00 at 07:37 PM (EST) Would someone please tell what happened with Dixie? [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 6 . "Sweebie excellent post" Posted by SpiritRain on Aug-12-00 at 08:40 PM (EST) I too, cannot remain silent. I do not understand Dixie's posts on Friday. I cannot believe this has happened. All I can say is that I hope Madison is ok. I feel reassured by Jameson that she is ok. I have been extremely upset by all this. Perhaps Dixie was very upset and not thinking rationally I will give her the benefit of the doubt. After all, when my daughter broke her nose on vacation after running in the house and tripping, the emergency room did nothing. They said I should have stayed home and applied ice. All of us who have children know things can happen. It is upsetting. Dixie, after thinking about it, I am sure you did the best for Madison. However, the posting of the pictures...I still do not understand. I would never post pictures of my child of any nature on the internet. Maybe you were too upset to think. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 7 . "Well, this is my opinion...." Posted by Maikai on Aug-13-00 at 00:35 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-00 AT 00:41 AM (EST) l. I hope Dixie continues to post. I think she is a good poster and adds some interesting insights. 2. I suspected her post would cause trouble--particularly in light of previous attacks when she first joined by other forum members. 3. Assuming the sequence of events is as she posted, and I have no reason to believe it's anything different; I have to say, I'd probably do the same thing, if I had the presence of mind. Perhaps not post the episode or pictures, but I'd probably take a picture. 4. The accident is interesting and relevant to the discussions---what better then first hand knowledge of how long a child will remain disoriented....no scream.......and stun marks left. Again, I am assuming the post was truthful. I do think if there were any harmful effects they would have shown up fairly quickly after Madison was stunned, such as irregular heartbeat........and there'd be no point in going to an ER room, since two doctors had seen Madison within 20 minutes. In fact, Hospitals can be scary places to a child....if her own doctor felt comfortable that she was ok...why put her through that ordeal? 4. The innuendos bother me. I can see both sides. On the internet, you have a different kind of relationship. You don't really know fact from fiction, or much about the posters behind the posts. I can understand why Misty did what she did........why some would question not going to the ER....why some may be suspicious of the coincidence of a stun gun accident. On that I have mixed feelings. I don't think it should be a discussion with accusations thrown out that could be slanderous---particularly since Dixie was public with her name in the beginning. We weren't there. 5. This is a good lesson for everyone. Be careful what you post. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 8 . "Conscience" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-13-00 at 01:21 AM (EST) EACH poster must do and say what they feel is right for them. Everyone must answer to themselves, and their own conscience. Each poster has their own moral code and what may bother one, may not bother another. Some might feel absolutely compelled to comment, other's might not. We are only responsible for our own words and posts. Not anyone else's. But sometimes is is IMPOSSIBLE to ignore those things which disturb us, frighten us, or that we find repugnant. Some people feel that to do or say nothing when that is the situation, is wrong in and of itself. Whatever is right for each poster. And, this too shall pass. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 9 . "You know" Posted by Guppy on Aug-13-00 at 01:51 AM (EST) The small amount of information I've been able to gather on this incident leads me to believe the "welfare of the child" is no more of an issue to the people cheering for the police and child welfare to invade Dixie's house than "Justice for Jonbenet" is their motivating factor in posting their daily hate-filled rants about John and Patsy. Whew, long sentence. Sorry... Perhaps I'm a bit jaded right now, after reading about how it took over 15 years for the last of 91 people arrested for child abuse in Bakersfield, Ca. to finally be released from jail or prison, all of them because they were innocent to begin with or railroaded by the prosecution. Given the difficulty of escaping from "the belly of the beast" once ingested, the level of injustice for which the Bakersfield D.A. was responsible would have made Torquemada green with envy. Anyway, I don't know what actually transpired here, but I'm going to find out before forming an opinion. And, a reminder to all of those who viewed the pictures, but didn't save them. The odds are very good they are still in your browser cache. I mention this because it is highly likely that those who viewed the pictures, and think they are kiddie porn, are guilty of possessing it themselves, as we speak. And, even if they delete them, the pictures will still be there. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 10 . "Guppy" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-13-00 at 01:58 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-00 AT 02:00 AM (EST) I saw the pictures, and pornographic was not a word I would use to describe them. It was very blurry, hard to tell what it was, really. JMO edited to add: So that was NOT a factor AT ALL in my reaction to the initial post and the website with the pictures. It was for other reasons that I found myself compelled to respond and express my opinion. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 11 . "Here's what bothers me the most.." Posted by Foster on Aug-13-00 at 02:09 AM (EST) In our discussions a few weeks back we all did a great deal of homework on the stun gun issue. The one thing that keeps coming up in my mind is learning that for marks to be made on the skin the gun would have to be held to the skin for at least three to five seconds. Does that sound probable in a case where a six year old child touches his playmate with the stun gun by accident? He would have held it in place on her skin for three to five seconds? This whole thing troubles me terribly. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 12 . "Are stun guns" Posted by pinky5 on Aug-13-00 at 04:26 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-00 AT 04:28 AM (EST) childproof; if not, they should be, just like cigarette lighters. Are they that easy for children to operate? They should have safety mechanisms, just like guns. If Lou Smit said it was an Air Taser, the only examples to verify this would be those of an Air Taser; all else is moot. The bountiful info on the web, no doubt, is sufficient for verification of this. MM in the past has posted applicable pictures, per a post by Maxi in the archives. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 13 . "Sweebie" Posted by Guppy on Aug-13-00 at 07:03 AM (EST) I hope you don't think my post referred to you! If so, I should have made myself more clear, because my comments were directed to posts I read on other forums. Sorry for any misunderstanding. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 17 . "Not at all " Posted by Sweebie on Aug-13-00 at 10:53 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-00 AT 11:24 AM (EST) Guppy - didn't think you were "talking" to me - no problem edtied to add: But I did want to take the opportunity to clear that up, since I didn't mention it in my own post. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 14 . "Things that Must Be Clarified" Posted by Dixie on Aug-13-00 at 09:22 AM (EST) 1) Please do a search on this forum and on the Websleuths, you will find that my home address is never listed nor is my telephone number. Misty does not and has not ever had access to either. My home number is not listed, it is not in my name. She did not and has not had access to it either. My address is not, to my knowledge, listed anywhere on the internet and our telephone is unlisted and not in my name. The party who actually did this was not Misty, Misty told a lie. When you make a complaint, you are not ever privileged in this State to the information. You are not a party to something. The biggest lie was that she made a phone call, she did not. The one who did is one who knows my former address. The person who did this knows who he/she is. Yet you let Misty take a bashing over on another forum while you hide and pretend she did something you fully know she did not do. Isn't that as wrong as Misty lying in the first place? It really makes me wonder just what type of person you are. It is very confusing to me that you would permit Misty, as hateful as she may seem, to take "credit" if you will, and a bashing when you are the guilty party. 2) For those of you who seemed to think terrible things of me, that is very sad. I was shocked at this and upset and felt perhaps some of you could give me insight to it. What I got was personal attacks and worse. How can you do that to people who have not harmed you? How could you even think of taking a baby out of her mother's arms and frightening her and terrifying her? My daughter adores me and would have been traumatized beyond belief had you gotten away with your awful deed. You were not thinking of her wellfare. My baby clings to me. You were told from the very beginning that she was in the hands of a physician. What more do you want from me? My child is my life? Why would any of you want to hurt me to such an extreme degree? Why would you do that? How could you do that to my daughter. What was in your mind when you chose to try to damage my child emotionally? Are you not aware that jerking a young child from her mother is extremely traumatic and harmful to the child? How could you do these things? At no time did anything I post give you the slightest hint that she was harmed. Why did you jump to such a conclusion? What in the world have I ever said to make any of you think for one split second that I could have neglected or harmed a child who is the greatest gift God has ever given me? Have I ever harmed you? Have I ever done anything to try to literally rip your heart out? Those of you who profess the Christian faith should search your hearts and try hard not to excuse away your actions. God knows what is in your heart. You can lie to yourself and post excuses for your actions here, but He knows what you did and why. 3) Two of you have even said that you believed I did this to my own child. I was so informed that you said this, if you did not, then the party who said you did was mistaken and I apologize for believing her. However, in reading this thread, it seems likely. What in the world would ever make any of you think I could hurt my child? Do you know me? Do you know the life I lead? Do you know that my baby's face is the very first thing I long to see in the morning and the very last thing I want to see at night? Do you know that even at ten I rock her and sing to her? Do you know that she strokes my face and tells me "I love you more"? Do you know how very much she relies on me for her security? Yet you chose to try to hurt this child. Not me. My child. Please do not say you were thinking of my child. Do not say it to yourself. God knows your heart and though excuses like that may be believed here, they are not believed by the One who truly counts. To accuse someone falsely of child abuse is a crime in California. It has become so due to the large number of false complaints filed. I will leave it up to her father to determine what, if anything, he will do. 4) The stun gun accidently discharged on my child was of the lowest possible ampage, and even then it left a small mark. My reason for showing a URL was made very clear. I was shocked that something with rounded heads could produce other than rounded marks. My child was and is fine. For the record, she was indeed taken in later that afternoon and a thorough and complete examination was done. Even those of you who so cruely slammed me, did offer good advice. Because all that remained of the mark when she was taken in to have a thorough check up was that photograph, it was the only reference the examining physician who finally saw her (after we waited an hour) had to try to locate the point of contact. I photographed it after calling her father on his cell phone. He's a lawyer, it was his suggestion that I photograph it before it went away. Since most of my things were packed to move, I had to use her own vid cam on her computer. I also thought it might help in taking something that was a bad experience for myself and my child and make it something beneficial; i.e. we do know that even brief contact with a low ampage stun gun can leave a small mark for a few minutes. The mark was fading when I took the photos and gone a few minutes later. I had hoped to take a frightening experience and find something good in it. AND parents do need to be on notice that families keep these things in the home. Very few of them come with safties and brief, even split second contact, forms a mark. It was not a burn, but a reddened area that faded very quickly. Some of you may have been disturbed by this, but if you think you were, then you must imagine how disturbed I was. Others of you accused me of posting pornography. The police did not agree with you. I am shocked, saddened to the point of sickness to think any of you could think that of me. This was at my child's waistline. Jams is 100% correct in the nature of the photograph. The SJPD do NOT agree that my child was in anyway in danger. The identity of the person who thought they could remain unknown was discovered and given to my neighbor whom the police felt was the most damaged by this false report. 5) Jameson is kind for not "banning" me. Thank you. 6) There are only a very, very limited number of people on this forum (and none on the other forums) who know my home address. One of those persons and not Misty did call the police. The police did show up at my home. However, I had moved out the day before as planned. What then happened was that a man (my former husband) who was very depressed at the time because he did not believe I would leave, became totally distraught as accusations were hurled at him. He has been clinically depressed for a very long time. He was harmed by this. How could you do this to someone you do not even know? 7) The purpose of the persons call was very clear to the police, for very hateful and spiteful reasons, this person wanted my beautiful baby who has known no other mother her entire life jerked from me and put into foster care, all because of a childhood accident that was immediately attended to. That is very, very cruel and the most "unChristian" thing I have ever heard anyone do. The person though thinking they would not be named or could remain anonymous, has been identified. My neighbor saved everything and when I called to ask about how my former husband was doing, she filled me in on what had happened. 8) It was listed as a false complaint. The complainant will be told "every thing checked out fine". Nothing more. Period. If you read that anything else was said or done, it is a lie. Madison has not even been in the state of California since that evening. How insane to think there could be a case on a child who does not even reside in that state. 9) Misty did not and could not have been the party behind this. Though what she has said is awful, it seems no worse to me than what some of you did. Please do not fault Misty for this, she was all mouth and "no do". Misty, though she may be a vile person, was not guilty of doing anything other than shooting off her mouth. Any complaint is "private" and the person who complains is never entitled to any information regarding the outcome of a complaint. 10) How any of you could or would ever think I would harm a child who is the very breath of life to me is shocking. Worse, it was not Misty. 11) How any of you could fail to understand how upsetting it was for anyone to publicly state that they believed I had placed my child in harms way would be horrifying to me is a complete shock. Would you NOT be horrified by such a thing. Three of you are guilty of doing this to me and I have not harmed you or hurt you in anyway. Why you would want to harm or hurt me is totally shocking to me. What did I do to deserve this from any of you? Do you really, in your wildest dream believe that I would harm my child or withhold care for her when it is publicly known that I am the party solely responsible for seeking out and finding the only help Down Syndrome children have available to them for the ravages of their disease. How many of you have adopted handicapped babies and spent years in search of a way to save them from the suffering that results from that disease? In my brief 5 years as the director of Adoption Options, I was responsible for seeing that over 3000 handicapped, unwanted children found their way into qualified, loving homes and kept them from being wards of the state and forever unwanted. How many of you who pointed such harsh fingers at me for trying to demonstrate that dangers exist even when we least expect them have done anything like that in your lifetime? Do you know that I paid the medical bills to keep most of those babies out of foster care? Do you know that I kept them with me or paid foster parents out of my own pocket while my own family did without until these babies could go to their own homes? Do you know how many birth mothers who were expecting handicapped babies lived in my home during their pregnancies and how many births I attended? Do you know how many of them who could not take care of their own children were so relieved that a loving family was waiting eagerly for their child even though the child was not going to be a the "perfect healthy white infant" every one wants? So before you ever let your heart harden to the point where you hurt so very many people again with absolutely no cause, think, think of how cruel you are. Think if it was you. Think if someone showed up at your home to take your beloved child from you. Think of what you did to a clinically depressed man who was already in a severe state of depression. Think of what you did to me when I have never harmed you. I am not ashamed of anything I have done in my life. I am most proud of my daughter, most proud of my children. I am humbled that God has entrusted me with so many things. I am grateful that I got them done before I developed Multiple Sclerosis. I can live with a disability, and do not mind it at all, but I am glad that I was finished with the work I needed to do before it struck. I can never find it in me to understand such cruelty. I have one hope, that you at least get your heart right with God, because no matter what your excuse here on earth, you will one day answer for what you did and God will not buy your excuses. Thank you for letting me say my peace Jams. Dixie [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 15 . "Hi Dixie" Posted by Bluefire on Aug-13-00 at 10:45 AM (EST) I missed the thread but I did get your e-mail and a copy of the original post. I am not easily disturbed, but the picture did disturb me in a certain way... not the semi-nudity, but the hurt. Not in an accusatory way, but it made me wonder, be a bit afraid for Madison. I hate to see kids hurt in any way. If a neighbor had posted this and I had previous suspicions that the neighbor child was being disciplined with violence (spanking, rodding etc. everyone knows I'm insane on this issue)i.e. I heard the neighbor child crying a lot... well I probably would have called a hotline. But you see, we don't really know each other, so we don't have all the facts. Each individual fills in with their own projection. We form an inner image based on our experience and act upon that inner image. Misty has some very difficult inner imaging she has to deal with so I always cut her some slack. Legally, if the image were on someone suspected of being a pedophile hard drive, it would be considered as "child porn". That is because, for some reason, moral terrorists have convinced everybody that a child's body is obscene, even just a naked back -- but its only obscene if the moral terrorist projects his or her own pathological response to the photo on the supposed reaction of the "other" to the photo....its pretty schizoid. Its also could be considered porno by textual association... an image like this one, even though it depicts nothing more than a naked back and some rather pretty long blond hair, would be illegal IF it were accompanied by some text that put it in a sexual context. For example, if a face portrait of a completely clothed child with an ecstatic expression were posted with a caption that said something like, "SallyMae's first orgasm blah blah blah". So the problem is that its really not pornography that is illegal, its thought. Its what others think others think. Well, I don't have much more to say. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 16 . "Thanks, Dixie....for setting" Posted by Maikai on Aug-13-00 at 10:49 AM (EST) the record straight. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 18 . "Continuing the record" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-13-00 at 11:22 AM (EST) Nice try. I hope and pray that this post will remain up for a little while.... For the record, there is not one word that I would change in any post I have made on this issue. Do I feel "bad" for feeling the way that I did when I read what Dixie posted? NO Do I feel guilty? NO Do I think that it was a completely understandable reaction to the weirdness of the situation? HELL YES Do I think that this whole fiasco and all of its consequences and repercussions rests squarely on the shoulders Dixie herself? YES< ABSOLUTELY Am I going to allow my emotions,and my motivations to be manipulated and twisted by anyone??? DOUBLE HELL NO Dixie, I tried. God knows I did. But if THIS doesn't cause you to STOP and THINK about how you come across to people...and if you continue to BLAME others for the troubles that you and you alone are responsible for causing...then I don't know what is to become of you and those you love. I really don't. Do you think that people wanted their entire weekend taken up with worrying for your daughter??? Do you think that people wanted to be upset, worried, confused, angry??? NO - they didn't. And just when it is POSSIBLE that you could take some resonsibility for your actions and the fallout from your own words, you do the opposite and fail to even acknowledge how bizarre your post and behavior are. PLEASE - work on your self-awareness. You have a serious interpersonal communications problem if nothing else. That would be the least of it. I suggest that you forget this "case" for awhile and work on your own issues.PLEASE. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 19 . "well?" Posted by DC on Aug-13-00 at 11:37 AM (EST) Dixie, I read your thread and I have a copy of it. I have remained silent until I read Sweebie's thread, and as she says, "silence is often viewed as consent, so I cannot be silent." Well, I agree with Sweebie. Something is NOT right with this whole situation. You can say what you want, but I will tell you this much. I would have said some of the same things the others said as well. I would have said you should take your child to a doctor, immediately. And I also would wonder why you would take a picture and post it. As if this wasn't bad enough, you BLASTED those posters who suggested these things and stated their opinions and I saw this with my own two eyes. You were rude and blasting and now you have made yourself out to be the "victim". The "victim" of everyone's "misunderstanding". I have a strong hunch you will remain the "victim" so you go right ahead. And you can "explain" everything away all you want. But you need to stop and take some responsibility in this and you have not. You have lost a lot of credibility with me. And I am offended by how you have talked to and treated other posters. THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. You have brought this on yourself and made yourself and this website the "laughing stock of the forum". I felt bad for Jameson. Yet I know that she lets other people say what their opinion is and I respect her for that. And I don't think she "needs me to feel bad for her" but I felt horrible over the aftermaths and comments regarding this. Something is NOT right with this WHOLE THING. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 20 . "grown ups" Posted by jameson on Aug-13-00 at 12:35 PM (EST) Dixie was obviously upset that day - and it showed in her post. I now do understand the photos - a lawyer WOULD have a photo taken - just in case there WAS a problem later - I can understand that. I think if Dixie really thought about what her post would do, she could have seen the problem looming ahead - but it is only hindsight that is 20/20 and that only part of the time. Posters here are very sensitive about children being hurt - and if there is ANY question of it being bcause of neglect or abuse.... well, we all know that is a particularly hot topic here. But Dixie posted about her child's experience - and people attacked. Dixie is a Steel Magnolia - I think she can handle the criticism and move on. PLEASE people, keep the personal stuff off the forum - protect your personal info and if you think posting something might cause trouble - just STOP! OK back to case! *grin* [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 21 . "Dixie You crossed the line" Posted by Fluppy on Aug-13-00 at 12:59 PM (EST) Dixie, I thought long and hard about whether or not to post this. But I believe since you've had your say; I shall have mine. There are two things that upset me about the thread, "Ouch, neighbor's kid zaps Madison with stun gun". 1) The fact that you would "post" ANY access to your daughter's pictures and ... 2) Your "vicious" ... yes Dixie your "vicious attack" on another poster. IMO, you set yourself up! So in that respect, your ordeal the past few days has been of your own doing! IMO ... You HAD to know this would be an issue! This entire incident could have been avoided by never having posted the url. There were certainly "other ways" to SHOW the marks on your daughter. You may think what you did was OKAY and that is your right ... your opinion. But by the reactions of others on this forum (I will not address other forums here) the "majority" felt you had "crossed the line" by posting the url. But ... the PRIMARY CONCERN of the posters here WAS FOR YOUR DAUGHTER! Plain and simple! And if that offended you, then so be it. And I agree, what resulted from "all of this" is unfortunate. But everyone, and you are no exception, must be prepared to "face the consequences" of their actions. And because of "what you posted" and "what you said", you were questioned. And part of the reason you were questioned, is because, IMO, you have lost credibility with many. It is apparent that when you were questioned, you became "extremely upset", IMO, and lashed out at one poster in particular. And yes, Dixie, this poster you, "viciously attacked" happens to be a dear friend of mine. BUT ... If I believed her to be in the wrong ... I would certainly tell her. I know her to be a wonderful person who has "helped many children" ... so in that respect, Dixie, you are NOT the only one who has made contributions (financially, timewise and "from the heart") in this area. In fact, many of us have and continue to do so! And I personally am tired of you "asking others" ... "What have YOU DONE for the children, the world, etc.?" Do you really believe YOU are the ONLY ONE who has ever done anything that has made a difference in the lives of others ... especially the lives of children? Are your contributions worth more than the ones I and others have made? Well, Dixie, you better "take a number and get in line" as there are many who have done much! And Dixie, the incident that happened a few days ago, is NOT an isolated incident of "your harsh words to others". I have read "too many too count" posts made by you and I vividly recall your "harsh words" to many. So in addition to the concern for your daughter, the majority felt you again, "crossed the line" with your harsh and unwarranted attack on another. Dixie do you not know that you simply can not continue to treat people this way? All of us are questioned at some point. It is NOT a personal affront to you! You were very wrong, IMO, to have posted access to pictures of your daughter and then the placing of blame on another poster only compounded your mistake. And now after reading your post, I can see you have, once again, turned this around where you are the victim! Again, blaming others! This ... to me is rather sad, as I had hoped you would evaluate the situation and assess your role in it ... and in so doing, would realize you are NOT the victim ... you are simply a person who made a mistake!!! There comes a time when YOU have to accept responsibility for your actions and words ... and Dixie, if you don't ... there are others who simply will not sit silently on the sidelines ... they WILL hold you or anyone else accountable when they feel a "line has been crossed". Fluppy [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 23 . "Well...another thing..." Posted by Foster on Aug-13-00 at 01:55 PM (EST) Dixie, is that I have always defended you and your right to your opinions etc. If your attack is partially directed at me you know what you can do with that. Don't EVER question my Christianity because I think something is "not right" about this whole thing. I find it extremely hard to believe that just a couple of weeks ago we had several threads worth of down and dirty scrapping back and forth about what stun guns could and couldn't do, and now you suddenly have "proof". In the end you didn't win that fight. Nobody conceded one way or the other about their feelings on the matter. Jams was still certain JonBenet had stun gun marks, Masked Man was still certain she did not, and the rest of us fell somewhere in between. The issue was not resolved. Then out of the blue a neighbor kid stuns your daughter. How convenient that you can now take pictures and prove your case. You win the argument then, isn't that it? You really hate losing, that much is obvious. I recall a time when Jams had to put her foot down because you were losing a fight with NYL and your remedy was to turn him into the NY bar association (or threaten to do so). Jams had to say enough is enough. We don't "win" debates by taking out our competitors in sneaky underhanded ways. Do I think you stunned your own daughter? No, I don't. Did it cross my mind because of your EXTREME competitive nature? Yes it did. Right now I am not sure the incident occured at all. But one thing I KNOW is that you certainly aren't going to lay a guilt trip on us because we found it all so strange. If you don't find it strange, it is time for therapy. And you can't seriously think we are going to feel responsible for the mental health of your ex husband can you? The mere fact that you thought to mention this makes me believe even more strongly that it is time for you to do some serious soul searching and consider getting some help. You are a brilliant loving person with alot to offer this world. Get a grip and get right with yourself. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 22 . "Response to Dixie" Posted by jameson on Aug-13-00 at 01:37 PM (EST) 1)Your defense of Misty is pretty mind-boggling. You gave your information out to two or three posters and you have no idea who has it now. Unfortunately that IS the way of the internet. If Misty said she made the call, I would believe she did unless I was shown documentation to disprove it. I am not going to support what Misty did, but lying about it is not her style. Nope. She takes credit for what she does - she isn't a coward like some others. 2) You said, "For those of you who seemed to think terrible things of me, that is very sad." Until someone has been around a long time and proven their worth, no one knows who anyone is. People are what they want to be on the net. Drunks can be sober, idiots can be experts, people with no kids can be parents of the year. I have witnessed a fake suicide and more than one false death. You have been around long enough and been attacked before - I honestly think you could have seen this coming. If you wanted to face the cannons, that was your choice. But I don't think you really can say you were surprised. 3)You asked, "What in the world would ever make any of you think I could hurt my child? Do you know me? Do you know the life I lead?" That's the point, Dixie. We do NOT know you. A few hours in chat or email doesn't prove who anyone is. You haven't been here long and we do NOT know you. Remember, we have been dealing with a terrible crime where the parents are suspect. We have been following other crimes where the parents were GUILTY. We know there are parents out there who are capable of such acts. So the first thought is not for the parent but the child. Would you really have it otherwise? 4)You said, "I photographed it after calling her father on his cell phone. He's a lawyer, it was his suggestion that I photograph it before it went away." Makes total sense to me - and it would have helped if you had posted this information in the first place. Preventative posting... 5) You said, "Jameson is kind for not "banning" me. Thank you." You posted something - it was YOUR post. I didn't see it as an effort to disrupt the forum, and that is really the only reason I ban anyone. Remember, each poster is responsible for their own posts. While the BORG ran with it and tried to make it a huge issue, I really don't see it as important in the grand scheme of things. JMO. Like I said - I don't see it as any attempt to disrupt the forum. If I had, you would have been history in a New York Minute. 6)You got on posters for potential harm to Madison and for upsetting your husband. The BORG who would hurt Madison are on ACR, not here. If anyone here considered calling this in it was to protect Madison, not hurt her. As for your husband - sorry, no one knew or cared about his involvement - in this situation the grownups are on their own - the child is the primary concern. When JonBenét died, Burke's situation was assessed to see if he was safe remaining with John and Patsy - and that is as it needed to be. To have considered how upset that would make J&P would have been assinine. So I am sorry but I don't think this is important. If someone honestly thought they were protecting a child, the feelings of the adults are immaterial. 7)You said," The purpose of the persons call was very clear to the police, for very hateful and spiteful reasons," You said it wasn't Misty who made the call - without proof, I am not convinced. But I said this before. MY anger with Misty was because she did it, IMO, not out of ANY concern for Madison but merely to harass you. Because of that, I did post that I would give her personal information to any authority or lawyer working on that call. Your support of her mystifies me. She said she made the call and I believe she did. 8) It was listed as a false complaint. Good 9)"Misty did not and could not have been the party behind this. Though what she has said is awful, it seems no worse to me than what some of you did. Please do not fault Misty for this, she was all mouth and "no do". Misty, though she may be a vile person, was not guilty of doing anything other than shooting off her mouth." So you claim. I have been here a bit longer than you and I would have to be shown documentation before I believe she didn't do exactly as she claims. Misty and I don't care for each other, but that is NOT her style. I am taking her at her word on this one. Dixie, you went on - but I am not going to finish answering the points. I think you should have realized that you would be attacked for 1. Madison being in a situation where she could be injured, 2. for posting the photos. I was told about that thread as soon as it went up - I looked at it and decided to let it go. I knew what would happen and chose to let it go. I try not to run the forum with an iron hand. Now - the whole thing is over - I deleted the thread at your request and expect this thread will be archived in a day or so. This forum is not a place for posters to second guess who is who, who is good or bad. I really wish this whole thing had been handled in email if at all. But now i say it is time to put this behind us. If you have some friend and foe on the forum, realize it is the same for all of us. Just move on and remember - this is the Ramsey forum. Thanks for letting me say MY piece. 2. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 24 . "Misty's latest" Posted by Guppy on Aug-13-00 at 02:18 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-00 AT 02:26 PM (EST) Deleted due to redundancy. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 26 . "Guppy" Posted by jameson on Aug-13-00 at 02:21 PM (EST) :) It is interesting, isn't it - - these forum games..... Boy, I wish we could find SickPuppy and end all this. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 25 . "Misty's post" Posted by jameson on Aug-13-00 at 02:18 PM (EST) "FROM WHAT I KNOW.... re: Dixie" Posted by Misty on 12:03:16 8/13/2000 Include Original Message on Reply NOTE: Last edited on 12:03:16, 8/13/2000 Madison is okay; at least that is what they told me. I don't think anyone has actually saw the child. Did I lie? Hardly. Now Dixie, let's try to stay sane here, okay? I called the XXX XXXX, XX police department this morning, gave them the event number and they gave me some details. From what they told me, Madison is okay and Dixie's husband is aware of the situation (whatever that means). My name is on record; this is NOT something they give out to the people they are investigating, so Dixie does not know WHO called (from my understanding). From the dispatcher, "normally, they don't give out that information." This is my memo for record on this call made on 8/13/00 to the Police Department. The event number is: 002250379 (yesterday's call, 8/12/00). -- This is a summary of the telephone conversation I had on 8/13/00 with Bonnie, XXXXXXX, XX Police Department Dispatcher. The call took place at approximately 10:35 a.m. I had a witness physically present when I made the phone call and that person would be willing to go on record that he did witness and hear my end of the conversation on both 8/12/00 and 8/13/00. The Welfare Department went to Dixie's house after my call. (I was the only one who called in this complaint -- event # 002250379). Dixie and her children were not present when the W.D. arrived. Her HUSBAND was. Father is aware of the situation (don't know whether that was before the visit -- the details were sketchy from the dispatcher). They did search the house; there was no evidence of fowl play. They advised me to ignore her innuendos on the web. They said they do not give out the name of the person who calls the complaint in. In otherwords, Dixie doesn't know who called the complaint in. The dispatcher I talked to was Tina.. There was no incident report filed; there is no written record of their visit because they felt the children were safe. They have my name on file as the caller yesterday and today. Permission is given to those who would like to carry this information to the message boards that are interested. Any other information that I obtained from the call, I am not willing to make public at this time. Dixie, this is worrisome that you would post such lies. Do you have something to hide? I want you to produce proof that I did NOT make the calls. I can produce physical proof that I made the calls. Misty Now, everyone knows that I feel Misty libeled me with her idiotic claim that I wrote the Patricia letters. I banned her from this forum for trying to cause problems within the forum community. She and I are NOT friends - AT ALL! But I am not going to let Misty stand alone here. She said she made the call - it is just like her to do that - and it is NOT like her to lie about it. No matter what Misty is, there is no changing her spots and if she says she did this, I believe her. And that means I doubt Dixie. Big Time. Dixie - - you say someone else did this? You really DO need to prove it or back down and say - "I THINK..." You wonder why people question your words - I am just showing you why. Misty may be a bitch - she may be wrong about some things - but she is honest about it! (Sorry Misty - but that's how I see it.) [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 27 . "My Opinion" Posted by Sparrow on Aug-13-00 at 03:34 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-00 AT 04:05 PM (EST) My main concern then and now is the CHILD who was stunned, allegedly by another child. Although I feel the photo's were not pornographic I felt they were in poor taste. No one on this forum has posted that they were pornographic and that is a matter of opinion. What most concerned me was the mothers flippant attitude and seeming lack of concern about the seriousness of the situation and possible latent damage to HER child. Dixie was well aware of the possibility of neurological damage and deaths of ADULTS who have been stunned from posts at this forum. Most strange was Dixie's comment that her "neighbor/cop" said the injury was: "less likely to cause her harm than had the other child injured her with a toy..." After reading that I decided something is not right with this picture and made my first post on the matter. Now Dixie is saying that Misty lied? I doubt that. Dixie also posted a response to another poster on the thread which began "First of all Sparrow lied..." So to Misty I say, consider the source. Dixie edited and deleted many of her intial posts from her thread "Ouch, neighbors kid zaps Madison with stun gun." I suggest Dixie consult her "lawyer" husband about her own words and actions. edited for typos [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 28 . "If you read my post you will see that" Posted by Dixie on Aug-13-00 at 04:11 PM (EST) I did not indicate that I was given anyone's name. My neighbor was provided with a name and that name was not and is not Misty. When a matter is considered unfounded, the names of the party who made such complaint is not kept private. This is a means to prevent people from doing what has been rampant in the past; harming others and the other parties having no recourse to do so. As per "Misty's" current post, I guess it was her. And I guess she is indeed the vile creature she appears to be. But she is mistaken that no one knows who she is. She is also mistaken that her identity is held in private when such a thing is done. One thing that is troubling is that no one from welfare went to my home though she says they did. The only persons who went were police. This is confusing if she is telling the entire truth. I am also confused as to an incident number that she first claims existed and then says doesn't. I don't know how that works at all. I would not have "defended" Misty had I thought she had done this. I would have been outraged and furious at her for it. I did not see how she could have done this as I do not know her and have no clue that anyone I do know who has my former address would have given it to this person. It seemed wrong to me for Misty to have been slammed on other forums (and those were forwarded to me through e-mail) when the information I had at hand was that the party was not named "Misty". I felt that someone was permitting her to take credit for something and letting her take the brunt of it while remaining silent about their actions. Since Jameson does have the telephone number where I was that day, I can't understand why someone, had you been concerned, wouldn't have just asked her to call. She could have spoken to the physician and to my child. I would not have been offended at all had Jameson called. Dixie [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 29 . "names" Posted by jameson on Aug-13-00 at 04:43 PM (EST) Misty's real name is not "Misty" - not her first or last name. My name is not jameson. Sparrow's parents didn't name her after a bird. Sam's real name is not Sam. This really was an avoidable misunderstanding. Please think a little more before you make statements that can be used against you. You attacked many people for being upset at Misty - and you really didn't have any idea if it was her who called or not. This situation seems to be a dead horse - let's stop beating it. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 30 . "I agree with Jams' last thought" Posted by Bluefire on Aug-13-00 at 04:58 PM (EST) Yup, IMO a big waste of bandwidth on four forums. I have been waiting around all day for somebody to post something on case. At this point even a scathing attack on theory Ver. 2.8 would be a great diversion. I guess we all know Madi's fine so... how about a discussion on the finer points of pineapple mitochondria or a metaanalysis of deMuthian motion between different types of DA molecules. Dixie, say hi to your family for me. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 31 . "Blue" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-13-00 at 05:27 PM (EST) hehe, the forum is quiet, must be a beautiful day around the country....but all in good time... Of course there is no point in beating a dead horse. BUT - this is the kind of situation where everyone needs an opportunity to voice their opinion. It is important to "finish" with this issue, yes, I agree most definitely. But it needs to be such that the issue IS fully dealt with and not just "nipped in the bud" too quickly. It was a serious thing, Blue. Most people took it VERY seriously, and were disturbed by it. Everyone's opinion counts. A lot of people have held their tongue for awhile, and this event created an untenable situation, that could not be ignored. A lot of people's "hinky meter" has been at full tilt lately, with red flags flappin' in the breeze. Gotta deal with it. Better to deal with it out in the open, face to face so to speak, so we can then get back to business with renewed focus, perspectice and enthusiasm - than to dismis it too quickly, and have these issues resurface later.... JMO [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 32 . "I have not said a word or do I plan to" Posted by B on Aug-13-00 at 06:40 PM (EST) Dixie knows where I stand on this. I am glad Madison is well. I will say I was saddened on how everyone jumped on the do we believe her or don't we bandwagon. I for one believed her. But compounded with the husband thing I think it just put everything over the edge. All in all she is okay.That is what is most important:not starting forum wars or dissention among ours. I find this a great place to come,and if some of you are not on the up and up,Jams can handle it if it comes to that. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 33 . "Hi Sweebie" Posted by Bluefire on Aug-13-00 at 06:53 PM (EST) My hinky meter doesn't run like most peoples, LOL. As long as we know Madi is fine and no illegal acts were committed, I think we should let people be as hinky as they want. Actually I find comments on both sides of the fence about equally hinky (can you imagine Bluefire on the fence about anything? LOL -- here is your big chance)!! I do find it disturbing that the forum lately is more than willing to attack people personally for their opinions and "ways of being". Being self-righteously polite in attacks is probably more obnoxious than the blatent flamey stuff posted by some of the infamous "well-loved" old-timers like Ruthee. Its chilling when day after day Lovely, myself, Dixie or whoever are being personally attacked thread after thread and the attackers don't even know that they are doing it and go to great lengths to deny they are doing it or justify it. The only thing I give a damn about on this issue is that Madi, and her family are all right. We have been assured by everyone from Jams to Dixie to even Misty that they are. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 34 . "I agree with Maikai, Guppy, Jams, B & Maxi" Posted by Afton on Aug-13-00 at 07:08 PM (EST) I AGREE WITH MAIKAI: 1. "I hope Dixie continues to post. I think she is a good poster and adds some interesting insights. 2. " I suspected her post would cause trouble--particularly in light of previous attacks when she first joined by other forum members." 3. "Assuming the sequence of events is as she posted, and I have no reason to believe it's anything different; I have to say, I'd probably do the same thing, if I had the presence of mind. Perhaps not post the episode or pictures, but I'd probably take a picture." I AGREE WITH GUPPY: The small amount of information I've been able to gather on this incident leads me to believe the "welfare of the child" is no more of an issue to the people cheering for the police and child welfare to invade Dixie's house than "Justice for Jonbenet" is their motivating factor in posting their daily hate-filled rants about John and Patsy." I AGREE WITH MAXI "Others think Dixie is exploiting her child by making up a story or by using her child's injury to support the stun gun theory. Like Patsy Ramsey, Dixie may be guilty of bad taste, but bad taste isn't a crime." "I'd have had my kid to an er in a New York minute if she had been stunned. But each parent must decide for him/herself the pros and cons of a hospital trip. Dixie's child was seen by a doc. If Dixie had taken her to the er, an incident report would have been filed, which might have triggered an investigation. That could have traumatized the child more than the stun if she go the impression she had caused trouble. Bottom line is: we weren't there and are just Sunday morning quarterbacking here." I AGREE WITH JAMS: "I would be FURIOUS if my child was injured with a stun gun OR a BB gun at a friend's house. But I don't know if it would require reporting. That is an interesting question. If two kids are playing with a jack knife and there is a cut requiring no stitches, should that be reported? If a kid is fooling around with a BB gun and it goes off but the child hit gets a bruise and nothing more, requires no medical treatment, should the cops be called? (I would, probably - more to impress upon the kids the seriousness of the situation than any other reason). And I don't know what purpose would be served caling the cops about this. JMO, but I think you can't make this call unless you are there - I know I can't really decide what I would have done." NOW MY THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS; Dixie errorneously thought that someone from our forum reported it because Misty did not have her name and address as it is not on the net, so she jumped to conclusions that it was not Misty . And reading the other forums here are some FWIW comments: Her neighbor as a Doctor, I think could get the name from Welfare or her ex-husband who is a lawyer would be able to get the name. Happened in case I know. Her ex husband, a lawyer, she said told her to take pictures--lawyers would do just that. I saw that it was questioned elsewhere that she had moved out the day before so a big question mark?? I read it that she moved out the day before and was back when the incident happened-at her house and/or the neighbors - The ramifications of reporting an incident like this is an innocent child could be taken away from a mother and then the investigation starts and that is how it works----they take action and then investigate. Happened with someone I know and the child was traumatized at the age of three only to find the allegations false- because of divorce and vengeance by the step mother. And then on our forum Jan 99 ... there was what was termed a "rape hoax" with one of our members and her employer was called and they said they were going to call Social Services --you can read about it on ACR Internet Subculture. Vengeance was sought by certain members of BNF And in this incident, was it vengeance because someone was told off roundly by members of our forum and then she was banned? She sure was vocal about it. So here are some "IF" Questions and soul searchers 1. If you think Dixie is telling the truth, why report it to the PD when she posted that a neighbor doctor and police officer looked at her child and gave her advice? 2. If you think Dixie is lying and it did not happen -- then is this filing a false report or just being disingenuous. 3. If you thinks she lied on some of it but not all -- then why report -- when you were not there and do not know what really happened? If you think she stunned her child herself, do you have evidence of that from "at least" her posts? My concern is the child too and reports being called in, the child taken away and traumatizing the child---but if you have proof then go for it and if your conscience is not bothered by any of the 3, then go for it. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 35 . "True confession...." Posted by Maikai on Aug-13-00 at 10:16 PM (EST) I'm not really a Hawaian orchid (that's what Maikai means, I think). Just a name I got off a glass when I first logged on to AOL, and couldn't think of a hat. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 36 . "Goodbye Dixie" Posted by LovelyPigeon on Aug-13-00 at 11:47 PM (EST) I sincerely hope you have learned some of life's lessons from your experiences in this forum. I hope all of us posting here have also learned some lessons about the internet, posters, forums, the importance of truthfulness, building credibility, and the need to realize and respect boundaries in both personal life and "public" internet life. Each of us here is an adult, and all are responsible only for their own actions and words, not anyone else's. Accepting responsiblity for what we do and say as individuals is a measure of maturity, and the lack of it is a measure of immaturity. Many posters on the forums are intelligent, but not all are smart. Smart will survive longer than mere intelligence. [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP] 37 . "Just a little more "Clarification" needed from Dixie" Posted by Sparrow on Aug-14-00 at 01:02 AM (EST) In your post "Things that Must Be Clarified"... You state: "Even those who so cruely slammed me, did offer good advice. Because all that remained of the mark when she was taken in to have a thorough check up was that photograph, it was the only reference the examining physician who finally saw her (after we waited an hour) had to try to locate the point of contact." Are you saying that the stun gun marks on your child just "vanished?" I truly hope your child does not have any residual problems. I have been extremely concerned about her and this very sad situation. Hopefully she is one of very few children who have ever been stunned. Are you suggesting someone at this forum reported you? Your neighbor... or you, should have called 911 while "she was out of it" for about 10 minutes (?)and at the time of the incident. I have no idea who reported you. It certainly was not me. I don't know you from Adam, but whoever it was thought they were reaching out to a child who seemed to have two neighbors and a parent who were remiss in their duties. JMO [REMOVE] [ALERT] [EDIT] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [REPLY] [REPLY WITH QUOTE] [TOP]