"Dixie is no longer a member here" jameson's Links Timeline News Chat Forum Archives Cord Photos Email [Lobby] [Main] [Help] [Search] Coffee? Forum Type: Protected Moderator: jameson Time Zone: EST Printer Friendly Format Original Message "Dixie is no longer a member here" Posted by jameson on Aug-15-00 at 07:55 AM (EST) This is part of a post Dixie put up on her "forum". I ... want to let you know that a literal forum is going to be up shortly. No fee will be charged to post and no anti-Ramseys will be permitted to join the forum. All "hats" will be checked to determine if they are using a false name, and all parties will at one point be required to send a letter to me in the mail to join the forum. I will reimburse all postage. That will insure that there are no more of these assasins on a forum thought to be free of them and that none of us are ever victims again of these internet games. ... As of today, I am disbanding this list until a safe forum can be set up. At that point, all of you but the party responsible for this, who, sadly, is on this forum, will be invited back. I hope to see you there. ... it is extremely necessary for everyone's future safety that a safer place and a better screening process be available for us all. Give me about a week and we'll be up and rolling again. ... Dixie Dixie will set up her own forum. She is welcome to that - there is room for twenty more forums if it keeps this case alive. But she has been attempting to scare posters here - calling the forum unsafe - and that is disrupting the group. For that, her account has been deleted. Just wanted to let you know, The decision is final so please don't debate the issue. I will be traveling today and Thursday - hope everything stays quiet! :) jams [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] Table of Contents 'Bout time!, Sweebie, 10:30 AM, Aug-15-00 I second the motion, nana122, 11:23 AM, Aug-15-00 Ta Rah Rah Boom De Day, DC, 12:06 PM, Aug-15-00 Little Lost Lilac, Lilac, 12:06 PM, Aug-15-00 Lilac , Afton, 12:44 PM, Aug-15-00 Thanks, Afton, Lilac, 04:14 PM, Aug-15-00 Re:Dixie, Serendipity38, 04:22 PM, Aug-15-00 Serendipity, Bluefire, 04:37 PM, Aug-15-00 Well, TeamRamsey, 06:28 PM, Aug-15-00 Sorry but its still a, Bluefire, 07:04 PM, Aug-15-00 Just scroll on by, Sweebie, 07:19 PM, Aug-15-00 Waste of bandwidth???, Fluppy, 07:48 PM, Aug-15-00 hmmm. go away for a couple of days...., bilas, 08:05 PM, Aug-15-00 Hopefully my last words on the subj..., Bluefire, 10:24 PM, Aug-15-00 Blue, for the love of..., Sweebie, 10:57 PM, Aug-15-00 hoax?, jameson , 00:25 AM, Aug-16-00 one of three choices, Sweebie, 00:54 AM, Aug-16-00 personally I tend to think, B, 07:55 AM, Aug-16-00 On Dixie, Guppy, 09:09 AM, Aug-16-00 Misty , Afton, 09:21 AM, Aug-16-00 Jams thoughts re" Debradear, Afton, 09:33 AM, Aug-16-00 Dixie's email to ramseyfamily@egrou..., Afton, 10:31 AM, Aug-16-00 Dixie's first email to the egroups ..., Sweebie, 03:24 PM, Aug-16-00 LOOK people...!!!!, Foster, 10:33 AM, Aug-16-00 WHAT IF???, Fluppy, 02:06 PM, Aug-16-00 I wonder what the , Sweebie, 03:59 PM, Aug-16-00 Setting the record straight about D..., Sparrow, 05:11 PM, Aug-16-00 Let's not forget, Sweebie, 06:10 PM, Aug-16-00 I am disturbed.., SpiritRain, 07:34 PM, Aug-17-00 spiritrain, Guppy, 08:38 PM, Aug-17-00 a few thoughts..., bilas, 11:28 PM, Aug-17-00 SpiritRain, Gates, 10:52 PM, Aug-17-00 That's right Gates, AMM, 08:00 AM, Aug-18-00 ignore, jameson, 08:58 AM, Aug-18-00 Messages in this discussion 1 . "'Bout time!" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-15-00 at 10:30 AM (EST) Sorry, couldn't resist, I understand the reasons for banning someone, those have been stated by jams time and time again. The rules haven't been changed or modified in this particular case, apparently. The reason for banning someone is that they create dissent and TRY to disrupt the forum. That was made apparent in this case (finally) by the person's own written words. ( you can correct me if I missated anything jams) People are not banned for being liars, or whackos, or just plain obnoxious - nor are they banned for being egomaniacs - is my understanding, since those are often subjective assessments, there are varying degrees of each. This case - at least on the internet - can and does attract some people that we wouldn't otherwise choose to associate with in real life. SO -I think that when our inner radar goes off, we should heed it. When our intuition tells us something is WAY wrong, we shouldn't ignore it. And then, we should be careful... I wish I could wake up tomorrow and this would have all been a bad dream...but it isn't. Lots of lessons to be learned here. There are wierd theorys out and about, there are personal disagreements, there are flames and more flames. I would prefer to have to endure ALL those rather than the recent events that have transpired, expecially since a child MAY have been involved. Let's just keep on going...a little wiser for the experience. What is that saying, if it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger??? Well, I guess we are all stronger now. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 2 . "I second the motion" Posted by nana122 on Aug-15-00 at 11:23 AM (EST) I have been very disturbed about the Forum ever since that day. I was debating if I wanted to continue as a member. A few weeks ago, I started having doubts about Dixie. I was one of the first to question her to explain what she had done and why she was changing her posts to lay blame on another.......I was really upset when it was obvious Jams was not banning her for doing so. I was even more upset when my next post was lost in space....I kept trying to repost and was not told that the thread was removed and I could go to coffee. But......thank you sweebie you made me realize this is not about any of us but about keeping the search for killer active. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 3 . "Ta Rah Rah Boom De Day" Posted by DC on Aug-15-00 at 12:06 PM (EST) ta rah rah boom de day, ta rah rah boom de day, ta rah rah boom de day [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 4 . "Little Lost Lilac" Posted by Lilac on Aug-15-00 at 12:06 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-00 AT 12:07 PM (EST) OK. This is what I don't get. I sit here and read the same stuff you do and don't have any idea what the hell you're talking about. Now, granted I was moving last week and may have missed something (didn't quite catch up enough). If this is so, could you please directe me to a thread or two to understand what the sudden uproar is all about? Thanks. Geez. Sometimes I think you guys have your own personal behind the scenes chats going. Edited to add: Re: Dixie's statement about not having to pay a fee. What difference does it make once you've paid it?????? It's one-time only! [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 5 . "Lilac " Posted by Afton on Aug-15-00 at 12:44 PM (EST) Read these first thanks to Melissa ACR as she saved them http://www.geocities.com/huni_b/Dixie/OriginalPost.htm http://www.geocities.com/huni_b/Dixie/MaddyZapped.htm then go to the latest here in Coffee that Jams archived http://161.58.21.56/dcf/Coffee/592.html [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 6 . "Thanks, Afton" Posted by Lilac on Aug-15-00 at 04:14 PM (EST) I've seen enough. I guess I can see why someone would be upset, but (now this is just my perspective) I think Dixie is a very clinical person. We have discussed stun guns on this forum and I would assume that she was just being helpful by showing what the marks look like. I see where they didn't report it (it WAS an accident). But the only thing that bothers me is that if it happened to anyone of us who didn't have a doctor in the family, we'd have charges of neglect, etc. Doctors and judges sometimes think they're above the law. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 7 . "Re:Dixie" Posted by Serendipity38 on Aug-15-00 at 04:22 PM (EST) I, too, like Lilac, have obviously missed somnething. I have not been around for a few weeks. Please enlighten me. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 8 . "Serendipity" Posted by Bluefire on Aug-15-00 at 04:37 PM (EST) Essentially its just a waste of bandwidth. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 9 . "Well" Posted by TeamRamsey on Aug-15-00 at 06:28 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-00 AT 06:29 PM (EST) What a strange episode. I don't think discussing it is a waste of bandwidth - it's not exactly easy to ignore. I hadn't realized Dixie had suggested she would somehow disrupt this forum or isolate posters; what did she say? I wondered about some of Dixie's claims at times, and I have to wonder about what really happened here. Then again, if we assume based on what we know that Dixie harmed Madison, or that she didn't do all she could to help Madison, then we're no better than the BORG are with the Ramseys. edit: here [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 10 . "Sorry but its still a" Posted by Bluefire on Aug-15-00 at 07:04 PM (EST) waste of bandwidth. Madi is fine, she wasn't being abused in any way... end of topic. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 11 . "Just scroll on by" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-15-00 at 07:19 PM (EST) then, Blue... [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 12 . "Waste of bandwidth???" Posted by Fluppy on Aug-15-00 at 07:48 PM (EST) Oh Blue, did you really say this? Oh my word! Oh, you are too cute ... dream man! And ... since I'm here, IMO, when there is an issue that concerns the members of this forum, it is "never" a waste of bandwidth! Then again, that's only MY opinion ... but I was under the impression it was welcomed here. See ya in chat Blue! Your dream woman Fluppy Flamboyant Fluppette [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 13 . "hmmm. go away for a couple of days...." Posted by bilas on Aug-15-00 at 08:05 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-00 AT 08:14 PM (EST) and what in the world happened? [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 14 . "Hopefully my last words on the subject." Posted by Bluefire on Aug-15-00 at 10:24 PM (EST) Madi is fine, she wasn't being abused in any way... end of topic. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 15 . "Blue, for the love of..." Posted by Sweebie on Aug-15-00 at 10:57 PM (EST) "Hopefully my last words on the subject." I hope so too. It's no skin off your nose if people post to this thread. Next time I don't agree with you about a subject's relevancy or topic, I'll just jump on the thread and say "waste of bandwith" every third post. Nope, let's NOT do that. BYE. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 16 . "hoax?" Posted by jameson on Aug-16-00 at 00:25 AM (EST) I don't kow if this was a hoax or not, but in my heart, affter reflecting on this for a few days, I want to say I think it was a hoax. The photo was blurry and could have been "computer art". The cops told Misty not to believe everything she reads on the net... Sorry, I just am not sure this happened and without going out there and questioning everyone involved, there is no way to know the truth. I am saying I think it likely was a hoax. For Madison's sake, I hope so. I am sorry if I upset people by the forum rules. I don't interview people before letting them join - - I don't know if they are BORG or fence sitters or members of the Ramsey Support Team. I don't know if they are on lithium or suffer PMS or MPD. I am not anyone's mother, or mother-in-law, I an not a psychiatrist or babysitter. With many posters there will be people who disagree and simply don't like each other. I don't mind that. I just ask people to stick to case, post reasonable messages, not upset the other posters (debate is great but play nice), and do NOT disrupt the forum. KareBear, Misty, and now Dixie. All are banned for what I consider good reason. They all tried to disrupt the forum. I am traveling a bit between now and the end of the month - - please forgive my absence - but I really am doing all I can to keep up. I know all of you are fine "holding doewn the fort". [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 17 . "one of three choices" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-16-00 at 00:54 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON Aug-16-00 AT 08:07 AM (EST) From the start of this, I always thought of it in terms of 3 possible choices: 1) The best scenario, would be exactly as jams has said - it was a total fabrication to prove a point and therefore another LIE - a hoax. This WOULD be the best scenario becuase that would mean Madison wasn't involved at all. EXCEPT - what of her welfare? There would be some serious parental fitness issues to consider, but at least no phyical harm - from this incident. The danger in ASSUMING it was a hoax from the start is to assume that the child was not and is not in any sort of bad situation. It is obvious that some people were not comfortable in assuming this was a hoax, but were concerned for the child's welfare, and so took it seriously. 2) another scenarioi: the incident was exactly as reported and there were serious qualms about the propriety about the way that it was handled. Again, concern for an innocent child's physical safety, and emotional health as well. 3) third scenario: the incident was not exactly as reported and transpired very differently. The worst scenario to consider by far. A possibility? Yes. Worthy of being investigated to INSURE that the child was safe? I think so. We may never really know what transpired. None of the 3 scenarios are good. All of them present serious issues to ponder, and there are inherent concerns and lingering questions. EDITED: to remove any indications that I suffer from PMS [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 18 . "personally I tend to think" Posted by B on Aug-16-00 at 07:55 AM (EST) this was not a hoax. That is my opinion.I tend to think there was too much going on in Dixie's world. Than this happened and only compounded everything atop everything else. Being that she helps children, sits on the board of an adoption agency(run by her sister), is knowledgeable of medical topics and diseases(Don't know about PhD), has a DS child and stepchild, I find it apalling anyone thinks she hurt Madison deliberately. I don't openly disagree much on here except when it comes to John and Patsy, but this whole thing could have been handled differently. I think when it happened it just sent off bells and triggered some JonBenet "moments",which I think we have all had.(Like when you go look for your child and he/she is not there!) Whether I am right or wrong in believing in her,that is my decision. So there you have it. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 19 . "On Dixie" Posted by Guppy on Aug-16-00 at 09:09 AM (EST) I'll have to admit I never paid much attention to Dixie, mostly because I didn't usually have the time to read her really long posts. I do think a Phd would know the difference between "insure" and "ensure", but that's just my opinion. (WRT 1st post in this thread.) I think this forum did a good job handling this very difficult matter, with Jams leading the way. Looking at what people were saying in the other forums was helpful in reaching this conclusion. Sweebie and a couple others laid down the gauntlet without making any overt accusations, leaving it up to Dixie to convince us the situation was not what it seemed to be. In my opinion, she didn't meet that challenge. And what did the situation seem to be? Concocted. I would be very surprised to find out this accidental stun-gunning went down as described. She "dropped like a rock"? The observation about the shape of the probes and the shape of the marks left by them probably did it for me, though. It all seems too convenient, and the explanation she provided just didn't resonate. That doesn't mean it didn't happen the way she said it did, but I don't think she can blame anyone for not accepting it as presented. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 20 . "Misty " Posted by Afton on Aug-16-00 at 09:21 AM (EST) Misty's said to Jams -- don't try to cover it up as a hoax and in another post -- DebraDear is upset with Misty as she feels Misty betrayed her and said it was worse what she did to Dixie http://www.munitrading.com/dcforum/JonBenet/1473.html#63 Jameson: Do not try and twist my words. The cops didn't say "don't believe everything you say on the internet." The cops said to ignore Dixie's innuendos. Don't try to cover this up as a hoax. Misty http://www.munitrading.com/dcforum/JonBenet/1480.html#9 6. "misty" Posted by debradear on 00:56:22 8/16/2000 I trusted you in the beginning. In the beginning I E-MAILED you my.. home phone number..along with my E-mail..and address. OH..........you forgot to give that information to your FBI... friend . I would think someone in the FBI would say..How can I contact her????? I AM SURE THEY WOULD ...ALWAYS ASK THAT...ALONG WITH THE PERTINENENT INFORMATION..about this case. What did you tell him when he asked you that????? I DON'T KNOW I WILL TRY TO FIND OUT???? What did you say to him .....just contact you if he had any questions??? And you would try to find out???????What happened to my phone number..my address????????My E-MAIL??? Why are you contacting me if the FBI wants to talk to me????? Then after I posted a question to you on this forum..You E_MAILED ME BACK.stating you lost my phone number etc..NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTIONED...AND YOU E-Mailed other people on this forum stating you were trying so very hard to contact me..the FBI was trying to contact me ....but I would give you no information and I was not responding... Little did you know............. NONE OF US ARE DUMMIES. I only do this because what you did to Dixie was terrible. I saved every one this time............ the FBI needed to get ahold of me???????? ..and wanted to ask me questions???????? Would I please send you my phone number again as you lost it and forgot to give it to them when you sent them the information???????????? Etc...................Etc.. I e-mailed you back... I told you .......................after being skeptical..give your friend my e-mail address..have him contact me with a phone number............................Then I would contact him............... WHOOOPS................NO LONGER INTERESTED. WHAT YOU DID TO Dixie WAS EVEN WORSE...................... SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funny how if you could not be the mediator... they ceased to exist. WHAT YOU DID TO HER WAS TERRIBLE.........................WORSE THAN YOU DID TO ME... [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 21 . "Jams thoughts re" Debradear" Posted by Afton on Aug-16-00 at 09:33 AM (EST) from the other thread and to keep this together From Jams post-- That is a post that is on Murphy's site right now. I post it just to impress on you NOT to share your personal information with other posters. Get a hotmail account to email people. Do NOT give out your passwords or personal information. There are some good people posting here but there are some really vicious people lurking as well. I know the names and numbers of all of you here - but I don't share that information with anyone and you know that. The stories about me burning people are unfounded - you can't find evidence on any secure forum because it didn't happen. BUT I am hearing from posters that others are not as kind. PLEASE be careful. (And Debradear - I tried to warn you.... I hope you realize just how stupid you were trusting prople over there. Murphy would remove a memorial page to JonBenet out of spite. They attack people with glee. You should have known better.) [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 22 . "Dixie's email to ramseyfamily@egroups" Posted by Afton on Aug-16-00 at 10:31 AM (EST) For those that did not read Dixie's email (in full) to the ramseyfamily@egroups on Sunday morning following the incident From: "Dixie Lawrence Tafoya" Save Address - Block Sender Reply-To: ramseyfamily@egroups.com To: ramseyfamily@egroups.com Save Address Subject: [ramseyfamily] Filling you in on the tragic aftermath Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:52:46 -0000 Yesterday, I left my home and my husband of 4 years as had been planned for many months. Even though he knew I was going to do it, he didn't really believe me and when I was suddenly gone, he was hysterical and quite upset. There are 2 people on the Jameson forum who know my address. One of them did not do what follows; the other one did. Last night, though I wasn't home, 3 police cars showed up at my former residence. They were responding to a complaint filed by someone we all know and trust (who does not deserve our trust and I doubt anyone elses). It was supposed to be kept (or was) anonymous. However, my neighbor, who was also questioned, had kept every post as she was quite upset over the ordeal anyway. So she showed all of them to the police and the photo. The report was then listed as a "false" complaint which is illegal in this state. The person who filed it is known to me and since I called her to ask my neighbor to check things at my house and learned what happened, the person is now known to her. The police agreed that since filing a false or harassing report is a crime, the complainant would be told only that nothing was wrong in the home, which is the truth. I must tell you that a person who posts as a BORG to another forum, is not a true BORG at all, but was tracked by the Net Nazi's after this report tonight as a person well known on the Jameson forum. People think they can hide under "hats" but that is not at all true. This was tracked very quickly by a simple technique used to police what is called internet crime in the Silicon Valley. This particular area of the country, where the wonderful technology of computers developed, is the worst place to think you can get away with doing something like that. You cannot. I want to make sure you are all aware of that also. You cannot hide. It is possible to trace you no matter what "hat" you hide under. I will not embarass that person by announcing who it is, but I do warn all of you that you must be very cautious of anything you post to the Jameson forum because it is not a BORG who causes so much harm but a person wearing 2 totally different "hats" and two very different personalities. It is not safe. At any time, anything you say that is very innocent may be, for some idiotic and unknown reason, used to literally attack you in your own home. This same person who is so "pro" Ramsey is just the opposite elsewhere. The reason for this is so unknown. Why would someone do this type of thing be BORG and pro-Ramsey at the same time? I do not know unless it is to keep the suspicion against this family alive and well. In my eyes, that is a far greater sin that what was done to me. My neighbor and her husband do not believe in lethal weaponry but they do believe in home security so the gun was one with the lowest ampage available, this is why Madison was unharmed. It is legal to own it, it is legal to use it and it is not illegal for anyone's child to accidently get ahold of it since it is not consider a lethal weapon. What was done was an attempt to try to have my daughter taken from me. It was an attempt at having my neighbor's license to practice medicine put into question. The party implied the photos were pornographic. Anyone who saw them knows that is false. So someone we thought was a person we could trust, whom we believed incapable of such personal and hateful attacks, is not a person we can or should trust at all. Many people have been hurt, an emotionally distressed man who is clinically depressed was sent into a deeper depression. I am terribly troubled by this incident. I can tell you that it was listed as a false report, the complainant was identified and the identity is known to my neighbor who has decided to seek the advice of an attorney on Monday. This is ridiculous. And it is shameful. I have taken further action but that action is not going to be made public at the time. However, I do suggest and strongly suggest that you be very, very careful of ever posting anything to the Jameson forum again. And beware that a poster there is none other than one who spends a great deal of time literally taking pot shots at his/her (not going to say) other hat to keep up a ruse of an internet conflict. This conflict is very, very harmful to the Ramseys. I would ask that you continue to pray for the Ramsey family and want to let you know that a literal forum is going to be up shortly. No fee will be charged to post and no anti-Ramseys will be permitted to join the forum. All "hats" will be checked to determine if they are using a false name, and all parties will at one point be required to send a letter to me in the mail to join the forum. I will reimburse all postage. That will insure that there are no more of these assasins on a forum thought to be free of them and that none of us are ever victims again of these internet games. I really hope you will pray that this person be stopped in (his/her) tracks from playing (his/her) self against (his/her) self as the things posted are damning in other forums against John and Patsy. As of today, I am disbanding this list until a safe forum can be set up. At that point, all of you but the party responsible for this, who, sadly, is on this forum, will be invited back. I hope to see you there. I have sent e-mails suspending all potential joiners and will remove the link from JonBenet's site as soon as possible. This will be the last e-mail generated from this forum. I am very sorry, but it is extremely necessary for everyone's future safety that a safer place and a better screening process be available for us all. Give me about a week and we'll be up and rolling again. Please keep our prayers up and going. They are needed. Dixie [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 25 . "Dixie's first email to the egroups re: the stun gun" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-16-00 at 03:24 PM (EST) Note: This is the first email that was sent about the matter. It was sent on Saturday, the one Afton posted was sent on Sunday. From: "Dixie Lawrence Tafoya" Save Address - Block Sender Reply-To: ramseyfamily@egroups.com To: ramseyfamily@egroups.com Save Address Subject: [ramseyfamily] Hi Guys Just wanted to fill you in on some news Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:31:38 -0000 Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous Next Close I will not be posting to Jamesons forum in the future so anything you want to send her you can send to e-mail address which is on her profile. Today while Madison was playing in the neighborhood, my neighbor's six year old child accidently shocked her with a stun gun that his father keeps in the bedroom. His mother is a physician who is on leave from having a new baby. The mother locks this child out of her bedroom in the mornings but he had gotten ahold of it without her knowledge, things happen. He put it in his toy bag and she did not notice it. She called me immediately when Madison was shocked. Madison did not yell in pain or anything, she just fell down and was kind of woozy for about ten minutes. During the entire time, my neighbor (who worked as an ER Pediatrician for the past 15 years) watched her vitals. At no time did she seem to be in the slightest bit of danger. In my opinion it was safer to keep her in the presence of a qualified physician than to take her out of that doctor's care and put her in a car and then drive to the emergency room and wait around in the waiting room. It made more sense to simply let her remain in qualified hands. The marks are near her waistline in the back. I took a photo of them with her vid cam while we waited for her pediatrician to get here (he was off and he lives a few blocks away). I did not take "nude" photos of her but one showing part of her back from the waste up. If you would like to see them to judge for yourself whether or not they are in anyway indecent please go see them at http://www.angelcities.com/members/dilela/new/mark1.html I had 2 main reasons for posting them. 1) though the prongs on the stun gun were round, it is clear from the photo that one of the marks was indeed rectangular and 2) in hopes that other parents would be put on notice and maybe ask before they let their kids go off and play if something like that is in the home. My neighbors are responsible, educated people. They keep a non- lethal weapon in the home for protection and to prevent harm to their own children. Madison was not harmed and indicated that she was not hurt. I asked her if it hurt when he did it, she said she didn't remember that it did. I assume she does not remember as it will disorient you for a few minutes. Anyway, in response to this, a poster called Sparrow decided to do a bit more than imply that I am an uncaring, bad mother because I did not grab her up and run to the emergency room. I think that would have been incredibly stupid to take her away from a physician's care only to go wait in a waiting room filling out forms. Anyone who has been to an emergency room should have sense enough to understand that. My neighbor is an ER physician who keeps a cart of emergency supplies on hand at all times. Madison was not in danger at any time. I believe I made the correct choice in keeping her comfortable and permitting a qualified physician to constantly monitor her until she was herself again. Anyway, the Jameson forum is a wonderful forum but I am not going to be posting there in the future. Jameson had nothing to do with this and as far as I know doesn't even know about it. It just grieves me to no end to think that people do not understand that no one takes the duties of motherhood so lightly and no one should be accused or have it even implied that they have put their own child in danger. I removed all the posts and the url from the forum and immediately, Sparrow lied and said I edited the posts to make it sound like I had done nothing wrong. I hadn't done anything wrong. I edited posts to correct spelling errors and to add information which my neighbor asked me to add (she was reading over my shoulder and was very mad that her qualifications to care for my child were questioned by someone who doesn't even know her). Perhaps had I though about it further, I would not have posted the url. But I think it was important to show that such things can happen when you would never expect it and to show the very odd mark which was not round even though the stun gun had round prongs. The marks on JonBenet's body are rectangular which has been the topic of much discussion on the forum. I had hoped to get some feed back concerning this phenomenon but what I got was slammed by Sparrow which has always been Sparrows habit anyway, to slam, to follow my posts around and to make little slurs. I don't need that. I would rather try to live in peace. God bless and thanks for listening. Dixie [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 23 . "LOOK people...!!!!" Posted by Foster on Aug-16-00 at 10:33 AM (EST) USE YOUR COMMON SENSE!! There is simply no way that Dixie's child was zapped with a stun gun ever so coincidentally just a couple of weeks after she failed to convince Masked Man that stun guns "leave rectangular marks" or that "a child wouldn't scream" when zapped. In her initial post she pointed out BOTH of those facts very clearly. DIXIE HATES TO LOSE! She thinks she is always right, or at least always wants to be right. It irked her terribly that she could not intimidate or flatter MM into accepting her explanation as "the truth". THIS WAS A HOAX! IT NEVER HAPPENED! Dixie, who over reacts to about anyone who disagrees with her, and has always been the drama queen of the forum is NOT going to post a pic of her child's "marks" and make sure she tells us the child didn't scream, WAS unconscious, and did have rectangular type marks, without freaking out. This woman freaked out over NYL's nasty comments, and she WOULDN'T freak out if her kid was stunned and post on a forum within ten minutes? Did not happen...plain and simple. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 24 . "WHAT IF???" Posted by Fluppy on Aug-16-00 at 02:06 PM (EST) I usually do not "state my opinion" on very many issues. I'm the one who simply reads the forum and does the birthday celebrations. But when Dixie posted the thread concerning her child had been "stun gunned", I decided THIS was an issue I would address. I realize there are many people who DO believe Dixie and that is fine. But there are many others who DO NOT. We are all entitled to our opinions. The following information is one part of several reasons why I QUESTION WHAT REALLY HAPPENED! Yes, there are several scenarios ... and I would prefer to believe the one that is least "harmful" to the child ... but .... After reading the following posts made by Dixie, (and this is not a complete list), IMO she was, at the very least, aware of the following: 1) The effects on an adult when stun gunned. 2) The effects on a child would be more profound 3) Medical concerns/issues 4) Recommended and/or required emergency medical treatment Because this list is rather long, I have noted the posts where excerpts have been used, otherwise the entire post is included. I have added bolding to highlight the things I found interesting. Excerpt from Dixie's original post "Ouch, neighbor's kid zaps Madison with stun gun" Anyway, he got a hold of his dad's stun gun and zapped Madison in the butt with it. She DID NOT scream, she simply dropped like a rock (according to the mother). She (the mom) called me, Madison was not completely unconscious but absolutely out of it for about 10 minutes. She weighs 65 lbs. Unless it is used in a crime, there is no reason to report it, it did no harm. It did less harm than if he had smacked her with one of his toys 30 . "Both body weight and neurological development could factor" Posted by Dixie on Jun-19-00 at 08:20 PM (EST) Both of the above might factor into why an electrical shock would effect a child differently than a full grown man (which is what the charge is supposed to control). Dixie Fluppy's comment: The child weighs 65 lbs. 29 . "Wrong - a stun gun can indeed render a child unconscious" Posted by Dixie on Jun-19-00 at 08:20 PM (EST) The charge of electricity emitted by a stun gun was designed for an adult; not a child. My ex and I once considered purchasing one; we did not want a gun in the house but our oldest daughter's house had just been robbed. We spoke to several manufacturers who all said to be cautious around small children (we had a 4 year old at the time),there were many warnings regarding children, including rendering a child unconscious. Dixie Fluppy's comment: Madison was not completely unconscious but absolutely out of it for about 10 minutes. 31 . "Science and Stun Guns :) Gee this is fun - Stun1" Posted by Dixie on Jun-19-00 at 08:32 PM (EST) Use on a child - marks? Title Stun gun injury: a new presentation of the battered child syndrome. Source Pediatrics, 1992 May, 89:5 Pt 1, 898-901 ...excerpt from post... The skin lesions that are often seen are hypopigmented circular macules, measuring approximately 0.5 cm in diameter. They may be raised slightly and erythematous if inflicted recently Most characteristic of stun gun assault is pairing of lesions approximately 5 cm apart. 33 . "Stun3 - emergency medical treatment including cardiac intervention?" Posted by Dixie on Jun-19-00 at 08:36 PM (EST) Can it cause unconsciousness? It can do worse than that. Title Electric shock, Part III: Deliberately applied electric shocks and the treatment of electric injuries. Source J Emerg Med, 1993 Sep, 11:5, 599-603 ....excerpt from post.... Electric injuries, whether a complication of deliberate electric shock or due to accidental injury, should be treated to preserve cardiac and respiratory function and to prevent further tissue damage. Safe extrication at the scene, rapid triage, and emergency medical treatment are discussed. 17 . "Oops Masked Man, one more thing" Posted by Dixie on Jul-15-00 at 12:58 PM (EST) People most certainly do lose the ability to scream, particularly if there is any type of neurological insult. I cannot imagine how you could have come to that conclusion. I can think of many times when my kids injured themselves when they did not or could not scream. My son once did a very foolish thing and urinated on an electric wire that was put up to keep the cows out of our garden. He received a jolt, nothing serious, but he couldn't scream. That was one of the main things he said "I couldn't even holler". I tripped over this same wire in a volley ball game, I got a pretty good jolt and I couldn't scream. The voltage used in stun guns is higher than the voltage used in our "keep the cows out" wire. Ask me how I know? I know because at least several members of my family and a good many of my friends hit this wire and never had the severe reaction to having hit it that is shown during demonstratins with stun guns, and come to think of it, not a one of them, that I can recall, ever screamed. Just not true Masked Man. Dixie 5 . "The truth? Air Taser's" Posted by Dixie on Jul-16-00 at 07:33 PM (EST) ....excerpts from post.... Now you have to admit, it is more than likely that this child wasn't hit with the taser from 15 ft away. In a grown man, it would knock out T-Wave activity and drop him like a rock. Imagine what would happen to a sleeping child who received direct or near direct contact with this weapon? Can any of you actually imagine that she would have been able to do anything at all, much less scream? If you click on the first photo of the stun gun Lou Smit believes was used, you will see the words Air Taser clearly on the handle. Now I am sure there many models but all are designed to basically do the same thing, kick out T-wave action. Fluppy's comment: ....she simply dropped like a rock (according to the mother). The following is a quick repost of emergency measures that should be taken in instance of injury by "stun guns" among other things. T-Waves are directly related to cardiac function, and it is interesting to note that emergency medical treatment of this type of "injury" calls for quick triage and care to prevent "respiratory" function and cardiac arrest. Kind of hard to scream if you can hardly breathe. Jonbenet was a "small" child. Dixie Fluppy's comment: And Dixie's daugher is a "small" child. 16 . "Actually Masked Man you are wrong" Posted by Dixie on Jul-15-00 at 12:49 PM (EST) ....excerpt from post.... I posted an abstract regarding emergency medical treatment for persons who are zapped with a stun gun, which included suggestions on how to respond during cardiac arrest, among other things. Stun guns were not created to be used on a 45 lb. child. So it could certainly have put this child into a severe state of disorientation to the point of paralization (which is the entire point of the use of a stun gun anyway - to stop the perp by paralizing motor function). And would she have screamed? Unlikely if she had been zapped during a sound sleep. 20 . "Masked Man" Posted by Dixie on Jul-17-00 at 11:52 AM (EST) I gave you two links to stun guns, the first is to a site that provides information on an air taser. I hate to say this and I hope you don't find it offensive but you don't have the slightest clue as to the purpose of an air taser. The voltage is not 9 volts, the battery function is altered and it directly affects T-Waves (that's where it got the name "taser), which directly disrupt electrical function in the brain. Tell you what, you try an experiment, OK? You're a gambling man, must be to gamble on posting what you just did. You stick your tongue on the two prongs of a 9 volt battery and then shoot yourself with an air taser. Raise your hands if the 9 volt battery knocked you on your behind. I'd tell you to raise your hand after shooting yourself with an air taser, but you won't be able to. I am amazed, the least you could have done is to have read the literature and educated yourself about how an air taser functions. Dixie 12 . "Stun Gun noise" Posted by Dixie on Jul-16-00 at 10:58 PM (EST) I have never heard an Air Taser discharged but I have heard a contact stun gun discharged when a neighbor used one to control his very agressive Doberman. It knocked the dog for a total loop and sounded to me like a snap/crackle/zip. I thought that was kind of mean, but my neighbor was a canine cop and I suppose his attitude about animal behavior was far different from my own. I doubt he ever used it on the cop shop dogs though. Really, it was a mean dog though. Dixie Excerpt from Dixie's original post in "Open letter" 14 . "Things that Must Be Clarified" Posted by Dixie on Aug-13-00 at 09:22 AM (EST) 4) The stun gun accidently discharged on my child was of the lowest possible ampage, and even then it left a small mark. My reason for showing a URL was made very clear. I was shocked that something with rounded heads could produce other than rounded marks. My child was and is fine. For the record, she was indeed taken in later that afternoon and a thorough and complete examination was done. Even those of you who so cruely slammed me, did offer good advice. Because all that remained of the mark when she was taken in to have a thorough check up was that photograph, it was the only reference the examining physician who finally saw her (after we waited an hour) had to try to locate the point of contact. Fluppy's comment: Within 10 minutes, Dixie was taking pictures while ..... (Madison was not completely unconscious but absolutely out of it for about 10 minutes.) 53 . "Redness" Posted by Dixie on Jul-18-00 at 07:34 PM (EST) Yep Mikie, good question, but the nature of a stun gun in leaving an injury is that it causes a slight burn and breaks surface capilaries. So the redness would not disappear. That is another thing that makes this fairly obvious that it is a stun gun mark. Dixie Fluppy's comment: Where were the marks? You simply can't have it both ways, IMO! END OF POSTS MADE BY DIXIE: There are several reasons why I have questions regarding this "incident" concerning her daughter being stun gunned. Quite simply, I have witnessed first hand Dixie's "incredible to the extend of being unbelieveable" stories. Presenting credentials and verifiable information would be most helpful in establishing her "credibility" with me. Add to these things the "verbal assaults" I have witnessed on others and you've "set the stage" for me to disregard most of what is said. I have tried to remain objective on THIS issue ... as I truly wish to believe THIS story. That is why I have researched her posts concerning the stun gun. Maybe this really did happen, but I have serious doubts. She was aware of the seriousness of an adult being stun gunned and yet, she did not take her child to a hospital as a precautionary measure? I realize she said the next door neighbor was a physician ... 15 years experience ... ER ... etc., but what if this child needed more than a crash cart? What if complications had occurred? What if this child needed a "team" of medical personnel working on her? There are simply too many "what ifs" IMO. So based on Dixie's own research, she was, IMO, aware of the serious effects on a grown man when stun gunned. (cardiac, T-Waves which directly disrupt electrical function in the brain, respiratory, tissue damage) Then WHY, when her child was stun gunned, would she not utilize a medical facility staffed with life-saving equipment and medical personnel? Isn't it better to be safe than sorry? So based on some of these things, I have to look at this entire story and the other scenarios ..... and think..... Hmmm .... what if? Fluppy [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 26 . "I wonder what the " Posted by Sweebie on Aug-16-00 at 03:59 PM (EST) neighbor's reaction would have been if the 6 year old son had stunned the new baby? Imagine, you have a new baby in the house, and the older sibling is toting a stun gun in his toy bag. Wonder why the neighbor couldn't have just gotten in the car to ACCOMPANY Dixie and her child to the ER? Madison would then have been "under a doctor's care" at all times AND benefitted from ER services in any contingency. While hindsight IS 20/20, here you have an experienced ER pediatrician - who is used to making the BEST decisions in emergency situations and the mother of the child, both deciding to stay home and hope for the best. Odd. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 27 . "Setting the record straight about Dixie" Posted by Sparrow on Aug-16-00 at 05:11 PM (EST) Dixie has called me a liar in a public forum. I challenge her to prove it. I may have many faults but being a liar is not one of them. I would like for you to read my post #7 to Dixie: "Dixie" Posted by Sparrow Aug-11-00 at 4:57 PM EST I am not implying that you are a bad mother. You said your 6 year old child was stunned by a stun gun on the buttocks that would fell an adult. That is not the same as being accidentally hit on the head at a game by another child. Does your neighbor have an ekg at home or did she just take pulse and blood pressure? I still strongly suggest you take your child to the ER for further examination by someone other than the mother of the child who used the stungun. end __________________________________________________ I seriously suggest Dixie consider withdrawing her false accusations against me. The facts are on record to prove who is telling the truth. If she won't do so, then there are other avenues available. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 28 . "Let's not forget" Posted by Sweebie on Aug-16-00 at 06:10 PM (EST) that the situation began when a member of the forum started a thread on a topic. People start threads in order to get responses. That is the purpose of posting a new thread. It was Dixie's desire to have people respond to her daughter's alleged "accident". Dixie apparently did not anticipate the responses she received. People expressed more concern over her daughter's ordeal, and seemed more disturbed by it than Dixie herself. There were no accusations, only questions. And concern. Dixie then reacted very defensively and then took offense with the responses her thread generated. She lashed out at another poster, and went on to accuse others here of turning her in, and lying about her. She then called Sparrow a liar in her email to her egroup members. I don't consider a discussion of these events, which were visited on the forum and its members by Dixie herself, as poster bashing. This was a bizarre experience, and if people want to express their opinion about a poster who has wreaked havoc and left people hurt and wounded, then fine with me. No one went searching for a stick to beat Dixie over the head with. No one tried to dig up any dirt, or "create" a problem where none existed. That is my opinion and I'm stickin' to it. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 29 . "I am disturbed.." Posted by SpiritRain on Aug-17-00 at 07:34 PM (EST) about what Dixie said about another forum member: "I must tell you that a person who posts as a BORG to another forum, is not a true BORG at all, but was tracked by the Net Nazi's after this report tonight as a person well known on the Jameson forum." "People think they can hide under "hats" but that is not at all true. This was tracked very quickly by a simple technique used to police what is called internet crime in the Silicon Valley. This particular area of the country, where the wonderful technology of computers developed, is the worst place to think you can get away with doing something like that. You cannot. I want to make sure you are all aware of that also. You cannot hide. It is possible to trace you no matter what "hat" you hide under. I will not embarass that person by announcing who it is, but I do warn all of you that you must be very cautious of anything you post to the Jameson forum because it is not a BORG who causes so much harm but a person wearing 2 totally different "hats" and two very different personalities. It is not safe." Now I am wondering if this is true? Why is she trying to disrupt Jameson's forum by saying it is not safe? Was that her purpose in joinging this forum...to destroy it? [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 30 . "spiritrain" Posted by Guppy on Aug-17-00 at 08:38 PM (EST) The author of a post can't be identified without an ISP going through it's logs and finding which one of their customers had which IP address at a given time. In all of the cases I've heard of, this information wasn't given up without a court order. Even then, it will take a considerable effort by law enforcement to demonstrate only one particular person had access to, and used, a particular computer, which was assigned a particular IP address, and was using a given username, at the exact time a message was sent. So, I think someone's blowing smoke. Besides, if there is a BORG posting here pretending to be on our side, who cares? We'll know when he or she quits pretending. The truth is, though, it's quite all right to be BORG here. There's no need to hide, as NYL (zzzzzzz...) demonstrates daily. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 32 . "a few thoughts..." Posted by bilas on Aug-17-00 at 11:28 PM (EST) 1. When I read that Dixie's daughter was stunned", tiny red flags went up for me. I was out of town, didn't see the photo- didn't fully read the posts. Just thought "strange cooincidence." I do not know the truth. However, if this was a hoax, if Dixie felt so invested in proving her point, then, I say, Time Out Dixie. Talk to someone, let them know what is going on with you. Take care of yourself. 2.I seem to lurk more than post and hence, have not been on the receiving end of another poster's passionate disagreement with my views. But then, hey, I am new around here, give me time. 3. Don't know about the internet cops. My "hat" is just a combination of my name, maybe I need to change that. My gut tells me that on another forum the same person, using different hats (on the same thread) argues back and forth with themselves. Seems like it anyway.Dont quite get it, maybe it "draws" readers. 4. The business about calling and reporting suspected child abuse is pretty straight forward in California. A person may remain anonymous and give all the known details. The CPS worker answering the phone will decide what, if any, action should be taken. In fact, Dixie should know this, many people are bound by professional ethics to be "mandated reporters" of any suspected child abuse. 5. I think Jams did the right thing- and that is her job. Boundaries, focus on the goal and remember Jonbenet. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [TOP] 31 . "SpiritRain" Posted by Gates on Aug-17-00 at 10:52 PM (EST) "Now I am wondering if this is true? Why is she trying to disrupt Jameson's forum by saying it is not safe? Was that her purpose in joinging this forum...to destroy it?" Ah, Spirit Rain, that's an easy one. She answered this one herself. She is beginning her "own" forum; therefore she needs to undermine this one. Pay no nevermind. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 33 . "That's right Gates" Posted by AMM on Aug-18-00 at 08:00 AM (EST) I think most of us have known since day one that something like this was going to happen. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP] 34 . "ignore" Posted by jameson on Aug-18-00 at 08:58 AM (EST) The issue was posted about and explained. People can determine for themselves what they want to believe. This thread served a purpose but it seems unfair now to continue since Dixie can't post in her own defense so I am going to archive the thread. [REMOVE] [SEND EMAIL] [USER PROFILE] [TOP]