Justice Watch "Bad Week In Ramseyville" [ Main ] [ Post New Thread ] [ Help ] [ Search ] Table of Contents ................................................................... Bad Week In Ramseyville, Cutter, 15:38:03, 8/18/2001 Cutter, Watching you, 15:45:12, 8/18/2001, (#1) Cutter.... I think, Show Me, 16:03:32, 8/18/2001, (#3) Excellent analysis, cutter., LurkerXIV, 15:54:37, 8/18/2001, (#2) Sums it up , v_p, 16:06:17, 8/18/2001, (#4) I'd still like to know, Gemini, 16:08:54, 8/18/2001, (#5) Well, if all Beckner did, Watching you, 16:10:33, 8/18/2001, (#6) Hey WY, Tricia, 16:16:09, 8/18/2001, (#10) Someone had better tell me, Watching you, 16:11:26, 8/18/2001, (#7) Gem...., LurkerXIV, 16:14:40, 8/18/2001, (#9) Ainsworth, Cutter, 16:14:33, 8/18/2001, (#8) Outrageous!, LurkerXIV, 16:20:03, 8/18/2001, (#11) I say, v_p, 16:25:28, 8/18/2001, (#12) My Gawd, Watching you, 16:26:11, 8/18/2001, (#13) let's say the dna DOES match,, Edie Pratt, 16:44:48, 8/18/2001, (#14) my take on Jameson, Kelly, 19:19:41, 8/18/2001, (#16) Unknown DNAman, JR, 19:19:01, 8/18/2001, (#15) Next Month Will Be Worse for Rams, LurkerXIV, 14:50:33, 8/22/2001, (#17) I notice they've coined a new phrase, Watching you, 16:41:12, 8/22/2001, (#18) WY, Barbara53, 16:53:16, 8/22/2001, (#19) Heads Up, Watching you, 16:55:29, 8/22/2001, (#20) huh?, RiverRat, 17:54:49, 8/22/2001, (#21) Excuse me all, Nedthan Johns, 18:52:40, 8/22/2001, (#22) WY, Nedthan Johns, 18:57:03, 8/22/2001, (#23) WY, Nedthan Johns, 19:00:27, 8/22/2001, (#24) wow, RiverRat, 19:09:34, 8/22/2001, (#25) (c) Nedd, JR, 19:36:52, 8/22/2001, (#26) Right, Ned, Watching you, 05:29:35, 8/23/2001, (#27) Sort, Watching you, 05:29:49, 8/23/2001, (#28) Here Nedd, RiverRat, 06:57:53, 8/23/2001, (#29) consistent with, fly, 08:25:20, 8/23/2001, (#30) I stand corrected, Watching you, 08:35:23, 8/23/2001, (#31) WY, fly, 09:14:39, 8/23/2001, (#32) You're right, Fly, Watching you, 09:29:52, 8/23/2001, (#33) Y'all don't think, v_p, 10:05:11, 8/23/2001, (#34) (c) VP, JR, 10:06:56, 8/23/2001, (#35) No, it's probably, Watching you, 10:23:22, 8/23/2001, (#37) Oh, ok,, v_p, 10:22:56, 8/23/2001, (#36) Oh man WY, v_p, 10:28:40, 8/23/2001, (#38) hahahaha, v_p, Watching you, 10:30:34, 8/23/2001, (#39) Latest jammysue claims, Watching you, 12:54:56, 8/23/2001, (#40) Sounds Like Somebody...., Voyager, 13:24:21, 8/23/2001, (#41) JR, Nedthan Johns, 16:45:45, 8/23/2001, (#42) (c) Nedd, JR, 16:59:31, 8/23/2001, (#43) JR, Nedthan Johns, 17:03:41, 8/23/2001, (#44) (c)Nedd, JR, 17:06:07, 8/23/2001, (#45) Nedd, Cutter, 18:56:06, 8/23/2001, (#46) ................................................................... "Bad Week In Ramseyville" Posted by Cutter on 15:38:03 8/18/2001 Jameson's little publicity stunt might have gained her a few quick kudos from her band of sick puppets, but I don't imagine the Ramseys are too happy with hir right now. The Ramseys know they were alone in the house that night. They know that DNA garbage won't ever match anyone, and they know that every time another potential suspect is cleared it just makes them look that much more guilty. Jameson just put another nail in the Ramsey's public coffin, and she's also just handed Steve Thomas a nice little gift. Lin Wood has never been known as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but it's eventually going to dawn on him that Jameson put a big kink in his hose this week. Last week, Woodie could have stood in front of a jury and honestly claimed that potential suspects were never checked out by the BPD because of their bias against the Ramseys. Jameson has taken that option away from Woodie now and anything that hurts Wood is another boon in Steve Thomas' back pocket. Anybody watching has seen the Ramsey's story steadily deteriorating in the past few months thanks to the stooges they have surrounded themselves with, and this is just another event that turned bad on them. First Smit releases case evidence that proves to everyone that his stun gun theory was a farce all along. That negative effect causes even Smit himself to re-evaluate his position -- admitting to the world on Larry King that the stun gun he has been carrying around in his back pocket for over 4 years might not be involved in the crime. Now Jameson takes away Team Ramsey's ability to claim that viable suspects were intentionally overlooked by the BPD. Can it get much worse? Yes it can, and it did. It gets worse because of the latest actions by another Ramsey stooge, Steve Ainsworth. His actions detailed in the news this week about how he crucified an innocent person show he in not capable of properly investigating a case of child molestation. That reflects on his judgement in the Ramsey case. I'd like to see him get up on a witness stand now and try to act competent with an attorney going at his throat about how he destroyed some poor guys life with his ignorant stupidity. Maybe that will happen if the Thomas civil suit ever makes it into a courtroom. If Lin Wood calls Ainsworth as a witness I'm sure the man would love to payback Ainsworth by telling his story and discrediting Ainsworth's ability as a detective. And I'll bet he'll even buy his own ticket to Atlanta. All-in-all, it hasn't been a good week for the Ramseys. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Cutter" Posted by Watching you on 15:45:12 8/18/2001 wht did Steve Ainsworth do now? I missed that one. Oh, hot damn. They are just handing Thomas's case to him, and all Petrocelli has to do is sit back and let it come to him. It just doesn't get any better than this. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Cutter.... I think" Posted by Show Me on 16:03:32 8/18/2001 I hear a bus with Jams name on it. Jams will be lumped together with the Ram's Psychic, well-dressed gentleman intruder etc... your posts are right on it! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Excellent analysis, cutter." Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:54:37 8/18/2001 In addition, the Ramseys' new ad campaign has been a big flop, and Tracey is having a helluva time trying to peddle "Son of Crock" in the United States. And with friends like jameson, Patsy and John don't need any enemies. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Sums it up " Posted by v_p on 16:06:17 8/18/2001 nicely Cutter. Hey, what is your take on Jammy as a witness should she be called to take the stand? :o) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "I'd still like to know" Posted by Gemini on 16:08:54 8/18/2001 who called in the media on this latest (DNA) hullabaloo. I am astounded Beckner gave a statement! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Well, if all Beckner did" Posted by Watching you on 16:10:33 8/18/2001 was give a statement, you can bet your behind parts he didn't call in the media. Let's see, that leaves.... why, not the media shy jameson. Imagine that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Hey WY" Posted by Tricia on 16:16:09 8/18/2001 Check out MrsBradys page today and yesterday. Links to the Ainsworth stuff there. Yeah that Ainsworth is a real shinning example of great detective work (NOT) Cutter you are right on target. Yes I do hear the sound of a bus heading to N.C. now that you mention it (hahaha) Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Someone had better tell me" Posted by Watching you on 16:11:26 8/18/2001 about Ainsworth before I go berserk. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Gem...." Posted by LurkerXIV on 16:14:40 8/18/2001 that is the $64,000 question. If we knew who alerted the media...Beckner or Wood or jameson...we might be able to get a handle on the strategy behind it. It's all a chess game, played out on TV and in the print media. It usually gets like this as some kind of showdown approaches. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Ainsworth" Posted by Cutter on 16:14:33 8/18/2001 Here's the links to Steve "Catfish" Ainsworth's screw up: Main article: http://www.boulderweekly.com/waynesword.html Follow-up: http://www.bouldernews.com/news/nederland/18lfond.html (Courtsey of Ma Brady) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Outrageous!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 16:20:03 8/18/2001 This man has a solid basis for a huge civil suit against Ainsworth, Cox, and the Sheriff's Department. It's time to fire that idiot cop, Ainsworth, and his smarmy little female sidekick! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "I say" Posted by v_p on 16:25:28 8/18/2001 sue the parents of these children. Sue the newspapers for slander. Chit, sue someone... this is awful. I hope it will be a lesson to some how accusations of child molestation which are totally unfounded can ruin a person forever. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "My Gawd" Posted by Watching you on 16:26:11 8/18/2001 I knew I didn't like the looks of that weasel Ainsworth. I hope that man sues for damages, because if anyone has ever been damaged, he has been. That just makes me feel sick. Stinking busturd, weasely puke. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "let's say the dna DOES match," Posted by Edie Pratt on 16:44:48 8/18/2001 what happens if this dnaman has an airtight alibi, like jail? Then off to the slammer the R's would go, right? Because, if dnaman was in jail, out of country, whatever, that is a direct indictment that the evidence was planted:-) But, I'm no fool, I'm not going to hang by my toes waiting for that match, lol. Who do you think it belongs to, anyway? Someone the Ramsey's know, no doubt. THEY know WHO'S DNA is there, afterall, they put it there:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "my take on Jameson" Posted by Kelly on 19:19:41 8/18/2001 I was on the Boulder News forum when Jameson first posted there. IMO, "Jameson" started out to be James Ramsey's son, John Ramsey. John, Patsy and their minions were using that hat to sway the public. It got out of hand, and some distant relative of John Bennett Ramsey's (enter Sue Bennett) was assigned, paid, whatever to formally take on the hat of Jameson for the world to see. That was when Sue Bennett appeared on some tv program, claiming to have been Jameson all along. Has Sue Bennett been used by Team Ramsey? Absolutely! I don't think she saw what was coming though. Team Ramsey realized long ago that "Jameson" was a mistake but it's all they have ever had to use as leverage on the internet, since NOBODY believes them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Unknown DNAman" Posted by JR on 19:19:01 8/18/2001 Unless this person was well aquainted with the Ramseys how on earth could the ever convict him or her after all the statements that the ransom note writer knew the family and knew them well. What's needed: The person was actually in Boulder, Colorado December 25 and Dec 26. The person has no alibi for the night of Dec. 25, 1996. (Can you rememeber what you were doing almost five years ago on any individual night. Sure Christmas helps but not if it's just another day for you which is is for many.) The person knew the Ramseys and their habits very well. It would be convienant if the person can manage to be a daring/agressive/violent/pedophile who owns a stun gun, knows how to make a garrot, climbs in an out of windows without leaving evidence, is one footed and oh...we decided had to be DNA-less to didn't we? But he also has to be considerate enough to feed a child her favorite food before killing her, smart enough to wipe down the flashlight, smart enough not to bring his tool box with him except for cord and duct tape, smart enough to frame the Ramseys, lucky enough to have what some believe to be the Keystone Cops, lucky enough that either no one watched the OJ trial or "forgot" we don't cover victims with a blanket, lucky enough to have a non-agressive DA, lucky enough that the parents refuse to cooperate with the police, and smart enough not to get caught for almost five years but un-lucky enough that people still care about the case almost five years later. There's more but gosh, my brain is now fried with all the luck this person has. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Next Month Will Be Worse for Rams" Posted by LurkerXIV on 14:50:33 8/22/2001 On Sept. 19, Patsy will be deposed in the Chris Wolf case, at Lin Wood's office in Atlanta. The next day, John will be deposed in the same case. Info from Darnay Hoffman, Wolf's attorney, via WS. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "I notice they've coined a new phrase" Posted by Watching you on 16:41:12 8/22/2001 over at the swamp, haha. "Consistent with" DNA. Gawdamighty, I could just die laughing. Either the freaking DNA matches or it doesn't. They don't get it, they've never gotten it, and they will never get it. Consistent with might apply to two hairs being compared, since there has been objection to using the term "match" in that case. But, with DNA, "consistent with" will never apply. They want it to be "consistent with" in order to justify harassing some poor busturd because some of his DNA markers might match the broken DNA sample they have from the crime scene. Forget about the fact that that DNA will never ever be used to convict anyone in this case, it can only be used to rule someone out. The funny thing is, (although you'll never convince me of this) in theory, even if that DNA did belong to the killer, there is still the possibility it didn't get there on the night she was killed. Even if it did belong to the killer, he'll never be convicted because of it. Because, it is INCOMPLETE. It is basically irrevelent to getting a conviction in this case. Consistent with - ahhhhh, is there no end to their genius? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "WY" Posted by Barbara53 on 16:53:16 8/22/2001 LOL, no there is no end to their genius. One just has to read the threads to see that. Thanks for the laugh [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Heads Up" Posted by Watching you on 16:55:29 8/22/2001 for anyone who cares - Lin Wood on LKL tonight. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "huh?" Posted by RiverRat on 17:54:49 8/22/2001 Lin on LKL? Tonight? I thought that Condit and Chandra were, oh, I see, never mind. Of course Lin Wood is on tonight..... Poor Pats, always the runner-up. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Excuse me all" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 18:52:40 8/22/2001 But what did Ainsworth do wrong in this case? I see nothing here. IN fact I see a man who was brought in for questioning, by teenage girls that alledged he did something. It was checked out and he as released. How does this effect Ainsworth? Stories like These SHOULD BE checked out. Seems like the gripe here is about the newspapers making this man out to be a perv. but never correcting it. His gripe should be against them. Detective Ainsworth was only doing his job. If they have to question 100 men to get 1 sicko off the street, so be it. I'm not so certain this man did nothing wrong. From the sounds of it, he interjected himself and made comments about the girls that seemed innappropriate. Sometimes this is just the beginning, to see how much they can get away with. However the article does NO harm to detective Ainsworth in any way. Goodnight alll! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "WY" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 18:57:03 8/22/2001 "Consistent with" DNA. Gawdamighty, I could just die laughing. Either the freaking DNA matches or it doesn't. They don't get it, they've never gotten it, and they will never get it. Consistent with might apply to two hairs being compared, since there has been objection to using the term "match" in that case. But, with DNA, "consistent with" will never apply. Nedd: WY, you do realize don't you they can NEVER get a complete match? Not without a complete set of markers, which they don't have. If this guy looks like a match, he will be brought in for questioning. They want it to be "consistent with" in order to justify harassing some poor busturd because some of his DNA markers might match the broken DNA sample they have from the crime scene. Forget about the fact that that DNA will never ever be used to convict anyone in this case, it can only be used to rule someone out. Nedd: Right WY. Let's rule him out, shall we? By the way how do you know this is some poor innocent bastard? Perhaps this man already has a shady past to bein with? The funny thing is, (although you'll never convince me of this) in theory, even if that DNA did belong to the killer, there is still the possibility it didn't get there on the night she was killed. Nedd: SUre, you are right. He better have a good alabi for that evening. Even if it did belong to the killer, he'll never be convicted because of it. Because, it is INCOMPLETE. It is basically irrevelent to getting a conviction in this case. Nedd; Not true WY. Because if this man is a match, they will investigate the hell out of him. Most likely he won't have an alabi, he might own hi-tech boots, may have some thing with him from the night of the crime. May prove to be a 1 out of a 1-5 on that handwriting. Many many things. You should know by now WY, just how important this DNA has become. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "WY" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 19:00:27 8/22/2001 I knew I didn't like the looks of that weasel Ainsworth. I hope that man sues for damages, because if anyone has ever been damaged, he has been. That just makes me feel sick. Stinking busturd, weasely puke. nedd: Oh and by the way WY, this man CAN'T sue for damages. The police department HAD a right to question him. If anything he would have to seek damages against the parents of those girls, if they did this delibrately out of spite. You;re focusing on the wrong people here [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "wow" Posted by RiverRat on 19:09:34 8/22/2001 Triple posting. Touch a nerve or going for a personal record, Nedd? Here comes Lin Woddy on LKL, I have one word for him - HairPlugs. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "(c) Nedd" Posted by JR on 19:36:52 8/22/2001 Can I ask you what you were doing the night of oh...let's say...April 1, 1997 between 12 a.m. and 9 a.m.? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Right, Ned" Posted by Watching you on 05:29:35 8/23/2001 that's what I said. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Sort" Posted by Watching you on 05:29:49 8/23/2001 of [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Here Nedd" Posted by RiverRat on 06:57:53 8/23/2001 Your hero seems to have saved the day. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_807558,00.html Murder-trial witness jailed in perjury. "Things like that happen in cases all the time," Ainsworth said of witnesses' lying. "You just think, 'Well, you got a pass on that,' and nothing else good can come of it so you go on." and "The message here is you don't get to lie in a murder case," Ainsworth said. "You don't get to lie in any case, especially one of this magnitude. It makes a mockery of justice." are my personal favorite quotes to fume over. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "consistent with" Posted by fly on 08:25:20 8/23/2001 WY - That is not a bogus description. I haven't read what they are saying at jameson's, so perhaps they are misusing it. However, "consistent with" is the most appropriate one to use when dealing with incomplete DNA test profiles. It makes the important acknowledgement that although the available markers are the same for both samples, there is no way to know whether the missing components would be the same. The more cautious professionals in court testimony probably even use this term when describing test results that give good readings at all markers, again acknowledging that the entire DNA pattern is not provided in DNA tests (only a subset of it). That's also why they discuss the results in terms of probabilities that a crime scene sample came from a certain individual. It recognizes that ALL DNA comparisons are incomplete, in a sense. What I think is most interesting about the story of jameson's DNA samples is the fact that apparently they are degraded (or not from the person she thinks). Notice in the news story that jameson's samples were found to be similar enough to the crime DNA (in the other case, not JBR) to warrant asking the supposed donor to provide another sample for testing. That sample, collected under controlled conditions, proved to NOT be consistent with (match, if you prefer) the crime scene DNA. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "I stand corrected" Posted by Watching you on 08:35:23 8/23/2001 Fly. But, (you knew that was coming, didn't you?), I am having a hard time with it. Is this truly a term they use in court rooms now? Remember, I work for a DNA expert, and I have never heard him use the term "consistent with" in referring to DNA. I have heard him refer to "not viable," "unreliable," "incomplete," and "worthless," none of which is courtroom language, I suppose, but nonetheless, worthless is worthless. What should be said, perhaps, is that the available markers are consistent but the DNA is worthless for identifying anyone because the beauty of DNA identification is that it is nearly perfect identification, if all the markers are present in the samples. I don't like that consistent with term - it gives a false impression of the reliability of that DNA. Good powers of deduction on the DNA sample jameson provided being degraded, BTW. Probably day-old spit (or something, LOL). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "WY" Posted by fly on 09:14:39 8/23/2001 WY - The problem WY, is that incomplete DNA test results are not completely worthless, even though they are insufficient to declare with very high probability that the crime scene DNA was left by the suspect. The missing information dramatically reduces the probability that can be quoted when describing the likelihood that two DNA samples have the same donor, but it can be used to the extent of saying this person is a "possible" donor. Exactly HOW incomplete makes a difference, obviously. Although not good enough to declare with reasonable certainty that the suspect is the perp, I would think that even partial results can be used as at least a small piece of the case - almost like a blurry picture from a security camera can be used. Maybe because of the importance people give to DNA test results the courts would not allow incomplete results to be presented - thinking people would give too much credence to them - but I kind of doubt it. If JR's or PR's DNA had shown the same pattern as the degraded JBR case DNA's available markers, I think much would be made of that (if ignoring the innocent transfer problem). I kind of doubt that anybody who believes JR or PR is the killer would be having problems with describing Ramsey DNA as "consistent with" the crime scene DNA and arguing that it simply "doesn't match." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "You're right, Fly" Posted by Watching you on 09:29:52 8/23/2001 I doubt that I would be having these problems with the term "consistent with" if, as you say, they were consistent with one of the Ramseys. I don't think my reasoning would be what many might think, though. It would not surprise me to see the Ramseys' DNA there because they were there, not because I would think it gives any substantial credence to the theory that one of them killed JBR. If that DNA was consistent with the Ramseys, there is nothing sinister about thinking if could very well be theirs, since it is a known fact they were there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Y'all don't think" Posted by v_p on 10:05:11 8/23/2001 the mystery dna could be Chris Wolfe's... This would be the pre-disposition burglary if it does belong to him, or if it's said to belong to him. Wouldn't surprise me at all. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "(c) VP" Posted by JR on 10:06:56 8/23/2001 He was my first obvious choice though hirself denies it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "No, it's probably" Posted by Watching you on 10:23:22 8/23/2001 Steve Thomas's DNA - they've been comparing his handwriting to the ransom note, you know. What sneaks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Oh, ok," Posted by v_p on 10:22:56 8/23/2001 then fahgetaboutit. What was I thinking? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Oh man WY" Posted by v_p on 10:28:40 8/23/2001 I wish I'd have been quick enough to volunteer for the job of obtaining it... But how??? :o) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "hahahaha, v_p" Posted by Watching you on 10:30:34 8/23/2001 only in our dreams, ahhhhh. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Latest jammysue claims" Posted by Watching you on 12:54:56 8/23/2001 **It appears (the intruder) tried first to get in a window on the north side of the house - - so he was looking for a way in. **No fingerprints (on broken window), gloves left lint. It is jammy's educated guess the gloves left lint. **the pineapple is not an issue at all in the case. Lawdhavemercy. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Sounds Like Somebody...." Posted by Voyager on 13:24:21 8/23/2001 is under serious pressure and has gone over the edge and round the bend....not making a whole lot of sense....just pulling ideas out of a hat! I am not surprised by this panic...the Ramsey team has some rough waters ahead.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "JR" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 16:45:45 8/23/2001 Can I ask you what you were doing the night of oh...let's say...April 1, 1997 between 12 a.m. and 9 a.m.? Nedd: What? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "(c) Nedd" Posted by JR on 16:59:31 8/23/2001 Well, you said this person wouldn't have an alibi for Dec. 25, 1996. Just curious if you have one for any and every night for the past almost five years? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "JR" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 17:03:41 8/23/2001 I know what I was doing for every Christmas since I was born. It's not a date to easily forget. I have a feeling if this is the guy, he will have a lot more to offer then a missing alabi for the evening of the 25th. Know what I mean? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "(c)Nedd" Posted by JR on 17:06:07 8/23/2001 Christmas is not important to every citizen of these United States - hate to be the one to inform you. Could the guy maybe be Jewish or Jehovah's Witness - neither celebrate Christams or did you not know that? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Nedd" Posted by Cutter on 18:56:06 8/23/2001 As far as Ainsworth goes, it sounds like the man has an excellent case to sue for false arrest and violation of his constitutional rights. In those cases the police defense is usually that they were just doing their jobs. However, the key words are "probable cause", and from the sound of the actions by the DA it looks like the cops didn't have anything near that. I'd like to be in that guy's shoes right now. His odds are a heck of a lot better than the Lotto of coming away a wealthy man... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE