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Why did you become involved with JBR?, Tricia, 22:27:09, 8/19/2000 trica, sissy, 02:27:17, 8/20/2000, (#1) If there is one thing I hate, Sylvia, 04:39:44, 8/20/2000, (#2) 3 reasons, pinker, 05:48:37, 8/20/2000, (#3) I guess I got involved..., Jellyjaws, 06:41:52, 8/20/2000, (#4) great question :), summerhill, 08:34:13, 8/20/2000, (#5) For me, Seeker, 09:11:03, 8/20/2000, (#6) I'm with you Seeker, Ribaldone, 09:47:50, 8/20/2000, (#7) My raison d'etre, sarah, 12:08:55, 8/20/2000, (#10) Children are Angels.., rose, 11:50:24, 8/20/2000, (#8) We always hear people, Ribaldone, 12:12:15, 8/20/2000, (#11) brevitiest of brevity, Seashell, 12:03:56, 8/20/2000, (#9) Thanks everyone, Tricia, 12:36:58, 8/20/2000, (#12) hey, not so fast, Tricia, Edie Pratt, 13:15:34, 8/20/2000, (#13) Eddie...., rose, 13:51:51, 8/20/2000, (#16) rose, sissy, 01:28:05, 8/21/2000, (#27) likewise, Rose!, Edie Pratt, 14:09:53, 8/20/2000, (#19) Edie Pratt, , starry, 13:38:25, 8/20/2000, (#14) Dear Starry, , Edie Pratt, 13:41:04, 8/20/2000, (#15) Edie and Starry, Tricia, 14:06:04, 8/20/2000, (#18) Starry and Eddie...., rose, 13:56:18, 8/20/2000, (#17) Rose,, starry, 14:13:58, 8/20/2000, (#20) Starry...., rose, 14:26:16, 8/20/2000, (#21) Rose, starry, 14:31:01, 8/20/2000, (#22) I really don't know, canadiana, 23:11:53, 8/20/2000, (#23) Well......., Pedro, 00:35:27, 8/21/2000, (#25) Because...., China, 00:32:57, 8/21/2000, (#24) LOL China, Baybb, 00:55:40, 8/21/2000, (#26) canadiana, , starry, 04:37:54, 8/21/2000, (#28) How I got started, sabrina, 07:37:13, 8/21/2000, (#29) Why I became involved, ericasf, 07:49:50, 8/21/2000, (#30) Aw, okay, Watching you, 08:25:48, 8/21/2000, (#31) 'cause I knew Burke's nanny, mother, 08:29:02, 8/21/2000, (#32) A lot of some of the above.., RiverRat, 09:19:55, 8/21/2000, (#35) Just A True Crime Buff..., 7kluz, 08:55:53, 8/21/2000, (#33) actually.., Dianne E., 09:11:55, 8/21/2000, (#34) Oh, all right, I'll tell the story again!, Sharon, 09:52:19, 8/21/2000, (#36) My Dear Departed..., Brooklyn, 11:10:50, 8/21/2000, (#38) Christmas 96, tx_sunshine, 10:53:42, 8/21/2000, (#37) great thread!, Greenleaf, 12:14:48, 8/21/2000, (#40) Keeping Up With The Ramseys..., shadow, 11:59:04, 8/21/2000, (#39) Shadow..., Jellyjaws, 12:38:38, 8/21/2000, (#41) You guys are the best, Tricia, 16:18:28, 8/21/2000, (#42) Justice..., freebird, 16:58:46, 8/21/2000, (#44) Dear Freebird, Tricia, 17:51:27, 8/21/2000, (#47) Freebird, Edie Pratt, 17:02:38, 8/21/2000, (#45) maybe you could start a new thread,Tricia, Edie Pratt, 16:58:25, 8/21/2000, (#43) Good Idea Edie, Tricia, 17:34:42, 8/21/2000, (#46) LOL, Tricia!, Edie Pratt, 11:39:20, 8/22/2000, (#55) Freebird, Ribaldone, 20:06:48, 8/21/2000, (#48) Freebird, canadiana, 20:59:53, 8/21/2000, (#49) freebird, starry, 21:14:13, 8/21/2000, (#50) Wow..., freebird, 07:19:16, 8/22/2000, (#51) My Reason, WitchyWoman, 07:56:12, 8/22/2000, (#52) Hey WitcyWoman, Tricia, 09:25:10, 8/22/2000, (#53) Speaking of, Watching you, 09:34:00, 8/22/2000, (#54) My interest in JfJBR, Ayeka, 11:44:54, 8/22/2000, (#56) A few days after the murder, Catwoman, 12:07:28, 8/22/2000, (#57) Why???, Policedog, 19:17:53, 8/22/2000, (#58) I never thought.., Tricia, 19:22:28, 8/22/2000, (#59) Tricia, Policedog, 05:31:12, 8/23/2000, (#60) With your encouragement, LaC, MJenn, 15:52:04, 8/23/2000, (#61) My reason, sebastian, 17:06:05, 8/23/2000, (#62) ................................................................... "Why did you become involved with JBR?" Posted by Tricia on 22:27:09 8/19/2000 While we are all on pins and needles waiting for the interviews I thought it would be interesting for us to post why we became so involved with this case? Injustice makes me NUTS! People who do nothing when they can make a diference, make me NUTS. I have been involved in two major situations with law inforcement. One involved a crazy, bomb holding hostage taker, a very brave deputy who put his life on the line and saved 15 people and a scared to death disc jockey who had to talk to the hostage taker and play his music on the radio to keep him from blowing everybody up. Guess which one I was. I'll give you a hint. I am not a deputy and I don't know how to make bombs. Anyway the other situation involved a small child who needed to be removed from his home. In both situations I was just there when things happened. I did nothing heroic. I saw an injustice and worked with everyone to make sure the outcome was the right one. I can't imagine not doing something to help an innocent person. To right a wrong. I can't imagine not helping an innocent person let alone helping find the person who killed my child. This got under my skin. When I saw Patsy on CNN and the only time she cried is when John said the killer should get the death penelty. That did it. I bought all the books, watched Geraldo, talked to my friends. I wanted to do more. Then I found this thing called the internet. Then I found all of you. I still can't do anything in meaningful way that will help JBR but at least I know there are people like you who feel like I do. Many of you keeping archives and web pages, devoted to her. You are all doing something. You are keeping the heat on. So when, why and how did you become involved? Take Care Tricia [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "trica" Posted by sissy on 00:35:47 8/21/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 00:35:47, 8/21/2000 the reason i have stayed with this case is because john and patsy ramsey are the ultimate in lying and sneak sniping , they need the top jobs in this country for their lying. what amazes me about this case is they are the parents and THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK OR WHAT GOD THINKS EITHER. they act as thro somebody killed our kid. but heres the thing . the kid is dead in their basement , they found her, they act like they never even found her. you know, it just like well she is dead that is all we know so we hurried up and buried her. like they wern't concerned about how long she would lie in state . it's crazy to me that parents can be so smooth as they. cold, not even think about that baby in that basement dead.if they think about what they have done i can't tell it. they don't show or never did show a sign of real regret or sorrow. no remorse about this. they did it and have paid blood money to try to fan the flames of hell. .this next interview may have one last effect. i see no justice here at this time. i think the boulder authorities will wash away what is left .that is if there is any one thing left that could nail them. i just beleive that. THEY ALL MAKE ME FISSED OFF. this case is so sad cause the intruders are the creepy pat and john . it's the lies and money that will be the covering here. it will not change. LOOOPY HOLES BY THE MILLIONS WILL COME IN AND ARE ALREADY. HUNTER ought to be sio proud. he needs a HOT POKER STUCK UP HIS A$$. and i say that because he is the man. that is guilty here.also. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "If there is one thing I hate" Posted by Sylvia on 04:39:44 8/20/2000 it is INJUSTICE!! I just can not stand it, it makes me furious. While I was studying on profilling serial murderers, I learned about the case on the APB-forum. So I ordered some books and read about the case whatever I could find on the internet. Learning that the rammers were writting a book and were accusing others, that did it, I just couldn't turn my back on it and decided to rebuild my website in order to confront everyone with the lies they were telling. No matter who or what, every life has great value to me and should be respected. To me it is intolerable to see that someone takes the life of another person. And that is why I will only stop when justice is done. Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "3 reasons" Posted by pinker on 07:13:14 8/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:13:14, 8/20/2000 1. Selfishly, for my own piece of mind. 2. For the reward. That's also selfish. 3. I do want JBR to be able to rest in peace. With so many questions and so many people involved, her spirit must be in turmoil. If the truth no matter how disheartening comes out she will be more comfortable. At this point this is probably the number one reason. edited for brevity [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "I guess I got involved..." Posted by Jellyjaws on 06:41:52 8/20/2000 because the case smelled to high heavens of rich oddballs, in your face incompetence, payoffs and intriguing circumstances. And, I missed OJ! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "great question :)" Posted by summerhill on 08:34:13 8/20/2000 I started following the case at the outset for two reasons. The first time I saw the footage of JBR in that showgirl outfit on TV, it struck me like a train. Upon seeing JBR's image, I "knew": 1) Her parents had objectified her absolutely, 100%, and mentally truly considered her "a toy". Upon her death, JR stated "we lost our favorite possession." 2) She was being paraded around and sexually abused for their pleasure, and had probably been abused by more than one person. 3) The parents killed her as a result of their own pathologies. While watching JBR that first time (I know this sounds weird, and it is out of character for me), I had a "vision". It was as if the murder just played out in my head like a movie, and I felt I knew, in seconds, what happened to her. I could imagine the family dynamics, the motivations, the actions, etc. Then, when Patsy and John were on CNN, and the Patster pointed to the camera and said, "You know who you are and God will find you." I was dumbstruck. The Pats's hyper-religiosity and pathological need to blame others are so much like my own abusive mother that it made my skin crawl. My mother would have pointed right at the camera and made that exact absurd statement in those circumstances. To this day, she still "blames the victims" of her pathological behavior. Then, when the Rammers went on this campaign to "prove" their innocence, and they started man-handling and manipulating the justice process, that just p*ssed me off. I'm from Boulder and I know that the justice system there is quite corrupt. It was like that the whole time I lived there. I used to live on 17th street, 2 blocks from the Rams. I'll do anything I can to see them brought to justice. JfJBR and all abused children and adult survivors of abuse everywhere! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "For me" Posted by Seeker on 09:11:03 8/20/2000 it was when the news first aired, 12/26/96 on this crime. I've been following, keeping my own files, etc. I absolutely hate it when anyone harms a child (or an animal). There's just no need to do so. I get irrate at injustice. I detest the wealthy that think they can get away with anything because they think they can buy anyone (like OJ, was there through that entire ordeal too. From the phone call I received early in the AM from a cop friend that was actually at the scene). I'm now working on another similar case, Jonique Williams. The only real similarity is that they are refusing to cooperate with police, however her step father has a history of domestic violence. I'd like to see the perp caught tried and convicted in all crimes against children. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "I'm with you Seeker" Posted by Ribaldone on 09:49:26 8/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:49:26, 8/20/2000 the one thing that really pisses me off is when someone hurts children or animals. They are innocent and precious to us and no one has the right to harm them. I became "obsessed" with this case from the first moment I heard the reports on the radio on Dec. 26. The first report said the "Little Miss Colorado" had been kipnapped from her family's home. I thought it was very interesting and strange that a child would be kidnapped from her own home on Christmas night (when everyone is home and oftentimes, guests are there as well). Then the next morning, I heard that the father had found the body in the basement and I thought, "Wait just a minute here. Something is definitely screwy." No kidnapper leaves a three page note AND a body. That's just stupid. And I'm not stupid enough to believe it. The first radio announcement did not mention JonBenet by name --- they just referred to her as a six-year old child beauty queen. The next day when I saw the story in the paper, it mentioned her name but it didn't include the accent mark. I stared at that name trying to figure out WHAT it was for an hour. I thought it was a typo. I was pronouncing it John Bennet and thought "what kinda name is that for a little girl?" Then I thought it was an African-American name. And I continued to think that until I saw her picture and I was floored. I thought there is no way this is the 6 year old they're talking about -- she looks like she's 16! And her hair is bleached!! Once I started hearing all the reports about the ransom note coming from the house, Patsy's supplies, Patsy wearing the same outfit, etc. I was hooked. When I saw them on CNN, I was certain they were lying. And I still am. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. " My raison d'etre" Posted by sarah on 12:08:55 8/20/2000 Actually, I'm in it for the money. I just learned about the case last week and I was surprised no one had claimed the money. I want the 50k John put up as a re ward. I don't think that's asking too much, after all, he paid out MILLIONS and MILLIONS to 'the right people' to keep his a$$ from being indicted on a murder charge. Since he was a CEO of a billion dollar company, I know he has more money than God, and thats why he feels he's perfectly safe to call all JFJBR-type people 'beer-can collectors'. Also, I'd like all the money he has safely hidden away in all those foreign faction banks, since I have no doubt that was occupying his mind while he whittled away the ransom note. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Children are Angels.." Posted by rose on 11:50:24 8/20/2000 The closest thing to an Angel we will see on this earth is a child. They are given to us to love and protect and teach. When a child is born,Humanity has the choice to lead and guide these special gifts of ours to make a better world. To abuse and kill their spirit and bodies is unforgivable. Trying to get justice for Jonbenet is a way to speak for all abused children. I truly believe that a child in the most poor neighborhood in this country would have received better justice than Jonbenet. The authorities would have been firmer and followed basic police procedures when investigateing a poor child's death than they did for Jonbenet. If a poor child went to a teacher and said she was being abused, that child would have been protected by all the laws her community had availble. If they had been found murdered under the same circumstances as Jonbenet the investigation would have been handled very differently. No one would have felt intimidated to tip toeing around because of who this childs parents were. JMHO [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "We always hear people" Posted by Ribaldone on 12:12:57 8/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:12:57, 8/20/2000 say, "A poor person would have arrested the first day but there's a different set of rules for rich people." For the most part, I believe that to be true. And if it is true, wouldn't it also be fair to say that a poor murdered child is more likely to receive justice than a rich murdered child? So does that mean it's okay for rich people to murder their children? If you've got enough money, you can pretty much just do what you want? Is that it? The thing is, I don't consider the Ramseys to be THAT rich. Sorry, but IMO $8 million is just not THAT much money. It's alot of money and in my book, it makes them wealthy, but that's all. Just wealthy. Not super rich. I definitely think the Ramsey wealth has been overstated in the press. I know people who have about half that much money and I don't even consider them rich. I just think of them as "having money." I believe that is because they don't flaunt it and brag about it like the tacky Ramseys do. They want to people to think of them as mega-rich. Please. With $8 million? Don't think so. But apparently they're rich enough to thwart justice. So far, anyway. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "brevitiest of brevity" Posted by Seashell on 12:03:56 8/20/2000 I'm crazy! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Thanks everyone" Posted by Tricia on 12:36:58 8/20/2000 I love reading all of your reasons for becoming involved. I hope people keep posting. Jellyjaws you crack me up! I bet O.J. misses you too! Seashell, if your crazy then I guess we all are. (lol) Take Care Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "hey, not so fast, Tricia" Posted by Edie Pratt on 13:15:34 8/20/2000 I gotta give you my two bits, too, lol! I watched AMW last night, and they showed a crowd in the streets, crying out for justice in the murder of a 5 yr old girl. I said to myself, "self, now THAT'S the way you act when you're an INNOCENT PARENT!" The Ramsey's struck me the same as you, Tricia, when they did their CNN appearance, protesting their innocence. There was no good reason other than to cry out that this monster be found, tried and hung, but much to my amazment, they didn't even sound angry. They gave me the impression that we would be doing them a big fat favor if we just forgot about the whole stinky mess, and resumed our OJ fascination. In otherwords, BUTT OUT! But, I'm afraid, that's just not possible there, JR. I latched on to poor little rich girl like a pitbull to the mailman. Uh uh uh, you cannot get away with murder in my world, especially your own child. They doth protest too much ONE DAY AFTER BURYING HER! I'm stupid, but I'm not bent over. Puhleeze. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Eddie...." Posted by rose on 13:51:51 8/20/2000 I did not even know about this murder until I accidently tuned in to CNN and saw the Parents interview. I tuned in after it had started and these people were thanking me for my concern and I watch the rest to see what they were talking about. They just did not ring true as greveing parents of a murdered child they had just buried. Some of us have lost or seen friends who have lost children and seen the look in their eyes. A haunted look that comes from a grief stricken soul. It was not in their eyes. The father did not ask or tell me of his anger at the person who he said had invaded his home and killed his beloved child. The anger was not there in words or body language. I came away from watching that CNN piece thinking those are the strangest parents I've ever seen and to this day they have done nothing to change my mind. All that interview did was peak my interest to learn more about this case I did not know about. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "rose" Posted by sissy on 01:28:05 8/21/2000 oh my word!! you know they keep their little griefs to themselves. don't you know you would never see a real tear, but anybody can pour the tears. the ones i seen on patsy was bull. she don't have a little fingers worth of grief. john don't either. he looks like he sucked a sowl. he looks like he could kill us all . just look at thatr face. MAME had a pic- last week up of them and girl i tell you if looks could have killed we'd all be dead. patsy just wiggles her way around . and she could care less..... do you remember when she was on tv with the award sign. she said i did not kill jonbenet . I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. REMEMBER THAT? I can't beleive we are still sane with it all .we are not crazy, but we do have the right to be. OJ will never be forgotten he and that telivized trial really put wheels on criminals, and stop the justice wheels in this country. I DO HOPE THAT JONBENET IS AT PEACE. i really beleive that jesus is the truth. and he knows and really in the end i beleive there is a sword coming to this country . and idiots that kill kids will do anything. anything that is innocent god will double his wrath. read revelations. yes children are so wonderful and are gifts and we are to love them and honor their sweet love they have for us. now i can't see any thing that even looks or acts like a parent in the ramseys. you know burk bless his heart must be scared to death. i'll say this . burk didn't kill that kid. but he knows .oh yes he does. and he will end up just like benet if the authorities don't get the rag out and convict these creeps to that gurnie. and let me insert the needle. i'loved to see them squirm. that john you can just see the devil in him. he's saying with that look . iam scared i really am scared. i am afraid, i know they know we killed our baby. and patsy is saying, well they can't prove we did it. just be cool . we can't even think that way. anbd as long as we got the money , we can buy the time. at least until a few more years maybe two more. they are thinking this . that is what they are telling us too. they think aw well everybody will shut up about this murder in a few years. see oj got out real good and he says he didn't do it either. money is a good thing to have we don't have to be rich to pay lawyers either. they will get the money if they don't have it. but they will pay out til the end. maybe it will get cheaper the older they get. maybe one of them will drop dead or kill the other. oh ya either one of these would thrill me. i can't stand to say a good word for child killers. especially them that have no mercy and play with dead bodies. you know what iam saying? you know what if they were innocent.they would never pay this money and they would not act like they act. and do what they do. people that lose their kids they are so grief stricken that they want to die and some of them do. but these creeps, well they are professionals and they are good for it. THEY DON'T CARE FOR NOTHING. LOOK AT BURK. and they say they will worry about burk when he gets 40yrs well i do say . hope he makes it to at least 15yrs. jesus watch over burk. burk should go tell everything he knows for sure, and all things he thinks he knows. that would get their water hot. he should turn their asses in. but who would beleive him? but he wouldn't last long if he did.burk isn't the only one that knows either. those best friends in the early morning those are the kind that needs to be drilled until the cows come home. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "likewise, Rose!" Posted by Edie Pratt on 14:09:53 8/20/2000 I feel the same about you, too:-) Another thing that really struck me in that CNN thing, was the condition of the R's eyes. I don't know about you guys, but when I cry, sob, weep, and cry some more, my eyes slam shut. They get so puffy, and it lasts for a couple days. This cameo appearance of theirs was striking in that they looked terrific! Patsy wept, as Tricia noted, only when the punishment was discussed. And she did it so daintily, lol. My mascara (if I wore any, which is doubtful because my beautiful eyes would be the LAST thing on my mind) would be running down to my neck. JR looked VERY alert, not like a man who grieved at 3 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, as everyone keeps testifying for him. Nope, if you muted that scene, you'd think they'd been mugged, that they lost their car and credit cards. Certainly didn't look like a murder just rocked their world, did it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Edie Pratt, " Posted by starry on 13:38:25 8/20/2000 I haven't told you lately how much I love you. but I do...... absolutely,love you. For me, it was this simple:http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293806181 I love my granddaughters more than life itself. I was lucky enough in 89 to get a foster granddaughter, which changed my life forever. She is the dark haired beauty. #1 granddaughter will always be the light of my life. JBR would have been my precious baby, also. I should have been her grandmother. No creeps would have dared approached her or even been witin 100 yds. of her, if I had been around. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Dear Starry, " Posted by Edie Pratt on 13:41:04 8/20/2000 I LOVE YOU BACK:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Edie and Starry" Posted by Tricia on 14:06:04 8/20/2000 Edie I always enjoy your posts. You keep holding on like a pitbull! I have a feeling you are NOT at all stupid! Edie your real name isn't by chance Erin Brocovitch is it? (lol) Starry, it is simple for everyone when you consider your own kids and grandkids. By the way your grandkids are beautiful! Ok. I am waiting for the rest of the JW posters to tell us when and why they became involved. I am very curious. Ok I am really nosey too.! Take Care Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Starry and Eddie...." Posted by rose on 13:56:18 8/20/2000 I have come to know and love you both because of your sweet,loving hearts. Love Rose [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Rose," Posted by starry on 14:13:58 8/20/2000 It was a disappointment to me not to be able to meet you at Holly's in July. Someday, some how. for me, it's my love of family. Especialy, since I found my grandchildren, in "adopting" a foster family. I always knew I was meant to be a mother and a grandmother, but I never really knew how much daughters and granddaughters could mean until I met granddaughter #1. She is the light of my (our) lives. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Starry...." Posted by rose on 14:26:16 8/20/2000 I have one daughter and let me tell you I can't wait till she has me a grandchild. Being a mother has been my biggest joy and my biggest heart ache. Cause when that child is happy and doing well the joy is undescribable, but when they are down you would just lay down and die to make things right for them. That is why it is so alien to me that a parent would do anything to harm their child. I always want to think everyone feels like I do about things and they don't. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Rose" Posted by starry on 14:31:01 8/20/2000 I know what you mean. I wasn't a mother to daughters, but my sons and I are very, very close. To be a mother of girls would have been the ultimate experience. I think. I have such a empathy with my granddaughters. Ya think it's a Grandma thing? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "I really don't know" Posted by canadiana on 23:11:53 8/20/2000 why I started this. I remember searching and finding J-7 and finding the posters lively and knowledgable, so I stayed, then followed everyone here. The report of JBR's murder was on the news and struck me as very odd, finding her body in her own home. Can you imagine being in the same house as your murdered child? The CNN interview with J & PR spooked me, they just seemed 'off'. You know, brain says there is more to this story.... I think the mystery, the whodunnit surrounding this keeps me interested. But truly, I have to believe that someday those who have the power to do something to protect the life of every single child, will exercise that power. No child, not just JBR deserves this death. JBR has in my eyes, become the poster child for all children murdered around the world. Sad to say this is one crown she did win. starry...you often speak of your 'foster granddaughter'. (she is beautiful btw, as are the other little ones!) Can you answer a personal question?...how did you acquire a 'foster granddaughter' or 'foster family'? Just wondering; if it is none of my business just tell me. :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Well......." Posted by Pedro on 00:35:27 8/21/2000 ....I was following China around, and one thing led to the other..., heh. I was always much interested on women and kids rights, even after I got divorced and married again , some of us never learn!!!. Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Because...." Posted by China on 00:32:57 8/21/2000 ....Baybb didn't trust me enough to use a messenger service or email and would only communicate with me on the Night Shift Thread on the Boulder News Forum. The subject of the forum was the JonBenet Ramsey Murder....which I knew nothing about but then I rarely posted on case anyway. And, the rest is history. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "LOL China" Posted by Baybb on 00:57:28 8/21/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 00:57:28, 8/21/2000 LOL That is about the truth. I didn't trust too many back then. BNF was a real eye opener for sure. Before then, I only used the Net for reading and had never even read a forum. About the time I decided to Post something, the baddies took it over and I just sat on my hands and got flat fingers. One day MrsBrady had computer problems and lost her urls that she checked every day and GeorgiaPeach posted, asking if anyone had them and I did. LOL The rest is history. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "canadiana, " Posted by starry on 04:37:54 8/21/2000 I'm flattered you would care enough about me to ask how I got my start in grandmothering. It's a long story and not sure other's here want to hear it, so why don't you e-mail me and I'll be glad to share it with you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL starry ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "How I got started" Posted by sabrina on 08:29:45 8/21/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:29:45, 8/21/2000 Alot of what Ribaldone said expresses my feelings as well. I remember when I first heard about the case, I didn't really pay much attention until I saw the pageant videos. I had no idea pageants like this existed,I couldn't believe this was a 6 year old, she looked more like 16! When details of the bizarre note came out coupled with the way the Ramseys acted, the case became more intriguing for me!(I do admit, I was hooked on O.J.,and a big void was created when that all ended.) At the time, I was traveling alot for my job and had a laptop, in the evenings I would connect with the net instead of watching tv. There were some JBR message boards on AOL I would look at. When I found Mrs Brady, it was like inventing electricity! Later on, I found the other forums. I never posted much and was not involved in the notorious events, although I did see some of them unfold. LOL! Oh, and I almost forgot.... when the reports first ran they coined the phrase "mansion" concerning the Ramsey house. I grew up in an English tudor style home which was similar to the Ramsey house (sans addition- our was all original)I would hardly call it a "mansion". I guess maybe this connection sparked some interest. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Why I became involved" Posted by ericasf on 07:51:47 8/21/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:51:47, 8/21/2000 I have always been a sort of activist in many ways. I stand up for what I believe in. And justice is a big issue that I take to heart. That is what this country is built on. I'm not jumping on a soap box but it's reality. And creeps like the Boulder politicians that are in power now just make me ill. I do not live in Boulder. I have never been to Colorado but I know that it is part of America and the kind of "governing" that is taking place there is just a mere fraction of what happens all over this country because of abuse of power. Children are brought into this world because of the parents. They do not ask to be brought into this world. Every child is a treasure and should be treated like one. They do not deserve the abuse that happens to so many of them day after day. And so if I can make a difference in JonBenet's legacy, then that is what I intend to do. So I have taken it upon myself, like others here at JW, to try and help the cause and make a difference for the good of the people of the US. G-d forbid this should happen to any of our children. It could really hit home. Injustice is just as bad as committing the original crime. And I will try and do my part in my life to make a difference. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Aw, okay" Posted by Watching you on 08:25:48 8/21/2000 I'll tell you. My daughters. Period. Like Starry, my daughters own me, lock, stock, and barrel. I have loved them with every fiber of my being since they were but polywogs inside of me. I don't have grandchildren, but I have nieces and nephews. I guard them as fiercely as I have guarded my own children all these years, even now when they are grown. I admit to projecting my own feelings on other mothers (and fathers). Because I have such strong maternal instincts, I believe all mothers should have those same instincts. It is beyond my comprehension that many don't, and I despise, with a passion, those who misuse, abuse, and kill their children. And, I will never ever understand how a mother, or a father, would feel in a position to "get on with their lives" a mere day after burying their murdered child. So, I'm mad, and I'll stay mad, because JBR's parents failed her in more ways than one. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "'cause I knew Burke's nanny" Posted by mother on 08:29:02 8/21/2000 is the main reason I first became interested in the case. That was in January 1997 - first the BNF forum, then JW. The search for justice for JBR became an obsession. Eventually, the truth will come out - but it will be years, IMO. Yep, I'm still around - lurking. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "A lot of some of the above.." Posted by RiverRat on 09:19:55 8/21/2000 My adult life has envolved a lot of fighting for what should be a given. I, unfortunately, have just as many friends that have had a family member murdered than friends who haven't. I have a family member that was once a beautiful blond child until her father scrambled her brains with his family love. I have four daughters that I have to let out of my sight on a daily basis and I need to feel secure in doing that so I've helped fight for tougher laws and sentences. I have seen the Judicial system from many sides. As a former Victim Advocate, I have seen parents react to the re-victimization of the (in)justice system and it is NOT with indignation!!! Not one parent has ever wanted to go on with their life, as far as they were concerned, their lives were over as well. I logged on here because I know the power of speaking out. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Just A True Crime Buff..." Posted by 7kluz on 08:55:53 8/21/2000 Since the age of 10, I have been a true crime buff. I became interested in true crime after I began hiding out, reading my grandmother's detective magazines. The more I read, the more interested I became in the human mind and abnormal psychology. The first true crime book that I ever read was "In Cold Blood" and then came "Helter Skelter". I was forever hooked. I have since read every true crime book I could get my hands on. Some, of course, piqued my curiosity more than others. Especially the ones involving children and crimes of passion. In 1994-1995, I followed the Simpson criminal trial on a daily basis and then on December 26, 1996, when I heard about JonBenet, it just naturally caught my interest. The Ramsey case is probably one of the most, perplexing cases that I have heard of, and I'll never give up hope that her killer(s) will be brought to justice. JFJBR [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "actually.." Posted by Dianne E. on 09:11:55 8/21/2000 ..I was finishing up a night of beer can collecting and was relaxing on my favorite bar stool when CNN came on. I vowed to use my next weeks collection to buy a computer and check this all out, the rest is history. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dianne E. ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Oh, all right, I'll tell the story again!" Posted by Sharon on 09:52:19 8/21/2000 Christmas 96 was busy in the Sharon household and I hadn't read or heard of JonBenet's murder when my brother called me from Seattle. His first words were, "well, you know who did it, don't you?" HUH??? He went on to explain that a 6 yr. old beauty queen had been found murdered in her Boulder home, and I wondered, "why is he telling me this?" But, then he added, "Now listen closely, sis - there's the rich, CEO dad, the skinny older brother, a possible intruder and....(pause for dramatic effect)her mother, a former Miss West Virginia!! OK, now it all became clear. My brothers and I are all from West Virginia, but have migrated out west. We love and are proud of our West Virginia heritage but have long lamented the fact that any news coming out of our home state is always bad or wierd. (As in "12 year old mother kills her 6 kids and eats their limbs" or "snake eating man collapses during tent revival services" etc....)It's not that positive things don't happen in the state of West Virginia - it's just that they never get reported out West! I think I watched the CNN interview the very same day as my brother's call. The Ramseys appearances and actions seemed VERY out of sync with parents who had just buried their viciously murdered child, but I wanted to give them the benefit of a doubt. So, I kept reading and watching. Found JW by using a search engine to locate articles on the case. One thing led to another, yada, yada.... One tiny, meaningful thing that made JonBenet very real to me. On the Maketoast site there's a small segment of her singing these words, "later we'll have some pumpkin pie, and we'll do some caroling." When I first heard her sweet little voice and that tiniest bit of drawl on the word "pie", JonBenet carved a place in my heart, even in her death. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "My Dear Departed..." Posted by Brooklyn on 11:10:50 8/21/2000 abusive mother, that's who Patsy reminded me of and continues to remind me of. I know that pathology! Plus I'm a true crime buff, with a special interest in serial killers and I live in Boulder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Christmas 96" Posted by tx_sunshine on 10:53:42 8/21/2000 My in-laws were in town.We had a wonderfull day,great meal,lots of gifts for the kidos. We had just settled down for a nice evening chat,with a blazing fire.My little girl was sitting on my lap in her fancy christmas dress (not wanting to take it off).I could not even grasp something happening like that to her. The evening news was muted until the JBR story came on.(I love true crime also)I seen PR leaving the house as the story was told,SHE HAD HER FACE COVERED!I knew in that instant that one of them did it! I have never wavered on the parents as the guilty ones.Then came CNN and JR said something about not wanting everyone to be interested in this story,He could not understand why it was getting so much attention!Again I was sure that one of them did it.Then the tabs report from CW and the photos of the pagaents and with every think else we have learned since that day I feel it in my bones one of the did it! With the help of my computer I was hooked!And as the saying goes "the rest is history" I will be here for JBR and any other child that does not get the justice they deserve. My children follow this case too,they are 4,11,13. I hope the interviews in Alanta next week bare fruit!I have alot of faith in MK. JFJB Tx-sunshine [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "great thread!" Posted by Greenleaf on 12:14:48 8/21/2000 Thanks, Tricia, for starting it. Sarah, you are so funny. I enjoyed reading all the posts on this unique thread. We all share a common love of justice, and that is what ties us all together, here at JW. We have written about this case so much that its potency sadly becomes somewhat diminished. HOWEVER, a reminder: JonBenet was a living, breathing little girl. She was not a number. She was flesh and blood; alive and well. She did not die from a disease or from a chronic illness; nor did she die from an accident. SHE WAS MURDERED! She was slaughtered in her own home. I am here because I can't get that imagine out of my mind. JBR was my fellow citizen, and, as a good citizen of this great country, I have every right (in fact, a duty) to find out who murdered her. Those under that silly umbrella are up walking around; breathing the air freely; laughing, talking, traveling about, and with all their body parts intact. There's no rope around their necks; no 8-l/2 inch crack on their skulls; no evidence of sexual abuse on their private parts; no bruses on their bodies. They are healthy and well, while JonBenet is turning to dust, six feet under, in a cold, dark hole, in a cemetary in Georgia. Her little hands have been permanently stilled, with just boney fragments left, whereas, their permanently stained hands are moving about freely; pointing fingers at everything that moves. That's why I'm here. I am mad as hell about this blatant miscarriage of justice. As long as my old fingers can type, I'll add my little voice to the voices of others, screaming out my displeasure at the justice system. The next Ramsey headline I hope to read: PARENTS ARRESTED! Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Keeping Up With The Ramseys..." Posted by shadow on 11:59:04 8/21/2000 I haven't responded earlier because I needed to give "Why Did You Become Involved With JBR?" some serious thought... Although the national TV news "sound-bites" about JBR's death and the accompanying clips of her beauty contests certainly got the attention of mrs shadow and myself, the national news media has a short attention span and the story was quickly superceded by other news, including the on-going Bill and Monica story. And, the death of a little girl in Boulder was not BIG NEWS for local TV stations in Virginia. At that time, I seldom watched cable stations such as CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, etc., ignored the "Elvis has sex with Clinton on the moon" type Tabs, and used the Internet basically for research. While watching a football game one Sunday afternoon, an in-law (who had retired from the FBI a few years earlier) asked me and my wife if we had seen the Ramsey's CNN interview. We answered that we didn't see the interview and really knew very little about the case. He allowed as how the Ramseys reminded him of how Susan Smith acted during her TV appearances, and suggested that we watch the cable news stations and check the Internet if we wanted to know more about the case. Shortly thereafter, I searched the Internet for "JonBenet" and found many "hits." For some reason (fate?), I chose the J-7 Forum. I found the battles among the Pro- and Anti-Ram posters very interesting, most of the posters pretty knowledgeable, and the scenarios and theories educational. Early on, I was a "fence-sitter" and got some flames from both sides of the fence - but was welcomed and made to feel "at home" by everyone. To make a long story short, I quickly decided J-7 was the place for me as far as news on the JBR case was concerned and, later, made the move to the JW Forum when J-7 folded. I have "stuck-around" because I believe this forum is the best place available to stay abreast of what's happening in the on-going JBR saga, and I enjoy the company here. I also hope the continued interest shown by all JBR Forums (including this one) will keep the pressure on the law enforcement people in Boulder. Finally, based on what I've read on the forum, read in the newspapers and heard on TV, and heard from my in-law (who passed away recently) I'm no longer a "fence-sitter." While I have frequently said that I believe both PR and JR were involved in the death of JBR, I also have 1) said that I do not know who killed JBR; 2) never said JR is a pedophile who sexually abused JBR (I just don't know); 3) never said PR sexually abused JBR (I just don't know); 4) never said PR or JR are sociopaths, child killers, or whatever (I just don't know); 5) never said BR, JAR or GPP were involved (I just don't know); and, in fact, 6) never even joked about PR being fat (No comment). IMHO, no one will ever be charged with killing JBR - but obstruction of justice charges will be brought (someday)... shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Shadow..." Posted by Jellyjaws on 12:38:38 8/21/2000 Oh, my, I hope you are right about the "obstruction of justice" charges. PTPM darn near killed me; I had to stay away from this forum for a couple of weeks. I still can't understand how Alex Hunter continues to get away with, "looking the other way." What about the governor? The state's Attorney General? How much money and power was spread around? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "You guys are the best" Posted by Tricia on 16:18:28 8/21/2000 Dear Everyone, I love reading your different stories about how you found you way here. It's amazing the different ways we all came here but we have one common goal and that is justice for a little girl none of us never met! I would still love to hear from the other posters who haven't told their stories yet...I'm waiting. Take care Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Justice..." Posted by freebird on 16:58:46 8/21/2000 I don't usually tell this because of the negative reactions,but here goes I spent the last twenty years having my brother on death row.I don't believe he belonged there altho I was told over and over that it was Justice. He was with a 'friend'who robbed and killed a man I have no problem with him being held responsible for his part in this I just don't believe he should of died for it.He was too poor to have the kind of lawyers needed. Everyone benefitted from his case, the investigators to the DA's all moved up the ladder of sucess using my brother as their stepping stone. He died last year on mothers day from heart failure at age 42. Just a little history so you will understand that I didn't really get into this case till after he died because I already had a full plate. Once I got here and started reading all the Chit in this case I was floored, I hate what has gone on with the DA's office and how these 'RICH' people were treated. JBR was treated like the 'poor stepchild' in that SHE got poors man justice. No one is being held responsible for what was done to that child. I hate that in our justice system.I really feel that her parents are responsible yet avoided the noose because of their community standing.I will not sit by and quietly accept that.T Jonbenet deserves justice same as every other person and should not be denied that because she was unfortunate enough to be born to murderers who have pull. And I am also a mother, that alone is enough to keep me yelling for Justice for JBR. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Dear Freebird" Posted by Tricia on 17:51:27 8/21/2000 I am so sorry to hear about your brother. My God, the stress and the emotional strain must have been, and I am sure still is, unbearable. Freebird we can only imagine the pain you must feel. Then to see the Ramseys get away with this (so far) must be beyond frustrating. Freebird all you can do is what you are doing. Fight for justice. Even if it is just with your words. I know it must eat you up inside at times (it would me) but if you can, talk to a counselor, lean on friends and do your best to get through it. Take time for yourself each day. Even if it is just 10 minutes and do something that makes you feel good. Thank you for telling us your story. I look forward to more of your posts. Take Care Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Freebird" Posted by Edie Pratt on 17:02:38 8/21/2000 {{{{{HUGS}}}}} I'm so sorry. Tho your post was sad, it was RIGHT ON! Hope you're feeling better,Edie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "maybe you could start a new thread,Tricia" Posted by Edie Pratt on 16:58:25 8/21/2000 asking the musical question, "who's opinion has changed?" I wonder if any of the flying monkeys for the Ram's have converted and joined us? Wouldn't it be a hoot if Lake suddenly saw the light, (or the checks bounced) and he admitted how lame his theories were, lol? Dreamily yours, Edie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Good Idea Edie" Posted by Tricia on 17:34:42 8/21/2000 I think I will start a thread and see how many people who were in the Ramsey camp will admit their mistake. However I think I will wait untill after the interviews. When they are (with any luck) lead away in handcuffs. Then the checks will really start bouncing. Edie I would give almost everything I own if you could be in on those interviews. I think you would bring the Ramsey's to their knees in about two seconds. You could show 'em how it supposed to be done. In a kind, motherly, pitbull sort of way (lol). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "LOL, Tricia!" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:39:20 8/22/2000 my husband calls me "The Gestapo", if you can believe that! He also says he won't walk with me because I "goose-step", lol. I do have an excellent BS detector, that has more than once found him out. He knows better than to lie to me anymore, heh heh. Thanks for your vote of confidence:-)arf arf woof! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Freebird" Posted by Ribaldone on 20:06:48 8/21/2000 my heart goes out to you and your family. I am against the death penalty because too many innocent people are convicted and then executed for crimes they either didn't commit or don't deserve to die for. That doesn't mean there aren't criminals I would like to see executed because of the heinous nature of their crime -- Polly Klass' killer is one. That man doesn't deserve to breathe our air. But as much as monsters like him may deserve to die for their crimes, killing even one wrongly convicted person is so unacceptable to me that I cannot support the death penalty. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Freebird" Posted by canadiana on 20:59:53 8/21/2000 It is difficult to hear stories such as yours. I am very grateful we in Canada do not have the death penalty. I was a juror in a first degree murder trial and I don't know how I could have coped had I had to decide whether the defendant lived or died. I have no doubt whatsoever he was guilty; he was sentenced to 25 years without parole. He will not get out one day before the 25 year sentence is served. In Canada we do have a sentence of life if the person is deemed to be a Dangerous Offender. (I believe everyone who murders is a dangerous offender, but that's my opinion.) In Canada we do not extradite to countries or states within countries, that have the death penalty. I do have some difficulty with this as I would not want murderers racing across the border to Canada, which has happened. I am not sure how I would deal with this. All that said however, I do have great difficulty with Bernardo and Homolka; while Bernardo has been declared a dangerous offender and will spend his whole life behind bars, she will be released within the year I believe. There is something seriously wrong with that sentence. Freebird, I appreciate your candor and you have my sympathies regarding your brothers' death. Take care. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "freebird" Posted by starry on 21:14:13 8/21/2000 That is so sad. Fighting for Justice for JonBenet is probably one of the best things you can do, for yourself and other children. We're all in this together. huggs, starry [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Wow..." Posted by freebird on 07:19:16 8/22/2000 Thanks to all ya'll for the support and kind words. One correction he didn't die this past MD he's been gone for 15 months now. I am against CP, been involved with abolishing the death penalty for ages,because we were hurt greatly and got angry. When he died in the hospital,it was because of medical incompetence?/neglect/whatever it is called we again got angry and my mother is sueing the hospital,and she has started a medical coalition to see that inmates in prision recieve proper medical care. Not all inmates are in jail for life and most will be returning to society,to treat them like animals and then turn them loose is the biggest threat to me and my children so I will fight against that. That is part of why I don't believe in the innocence of the Ramseys. They don't have that ANGER/rage. They never bothered to fight for JB!!!! rather they fought against those who were seeking the monster who murdered their baby girl!! The first thing we did when he died was try to get the autospy report and medical records, we were DRIVEN to know what happened.It's not pretty nor something you want to do but the need to know what happened to your loved one and hold someone accountable overrides your aversion. I cannot understand that not one person in that family wanted to know what was done to that baby. To me it just seems that they don't want to know because they are responsible and the guilt would be horrendous.While they fight to cover and save their a** they don't have to really think of what was done. I just hope when they are questioned next week that the detectives let them know how that baby girl suffered,how she was violated and robbed of the life God gave her,and I would hope that one of them will confess ... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "My Reason" Posted by WitchyWoman on 07:56:12 8/22/2000 I belong to an organization that at one time put on little girl Beauty Pageants. We discontinued it because of the horrible way the mothers treated their little girls and babies too. Having seen this abuse first hand I couldn't help but be interested in this case. WW [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Hey WitcyWoman" Posted by Tricia on 09:25:10 8/22/2000 Perhaps you can start a thread about these kiddie pagents. I know nothing about them. It might be interesting to some of us newbies to get the inisde scope. Take Care Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Speaking of" Posted by Watching you on 09:34:00 8/22/2000 kiddie pageants, I was at my niece's home last week. She has a six-year-old daughter who is model beautiful. I made the innocent statement to her that her daughter could be a model, and she nearly took my head off. No way, she said, is anyone exploiting my daughter. I could have hugged her. It was an innocent remark on my part - the kid is gorgeous, that's all I was trying to say, not that she should be a model. Got put in my place, all right, LOL. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "My interest in JfJBR" Posted by Ayeka on 11:44:54 8/22/2000 Like 7kluz posted, I too am a huge fan of true crime, and have been since my early teenage years. My grandmother gave me a copy of "The Trial of Stephen Truscott" and, honestly, I must have read it 5 times over the course of the intervening years -- I was hooked from then on out. I also read whatever I can lay hands on... especially if written by Anne Rule. I had 'true crime' hit a little close to home when the valedictorian of my high school class bludgeoned his mother to death the morning of our graduation (there's me, showing up to the graduation site, wondering why everyone looks like they are in shock...). There was absolutely no indication in the day-to-day interaction I had with this boy that gave me any clue that he was capable of such violence (which is why I laugh when the Ramseys say that there's nothing in their past to indicate they would do such a thing). I mean, this was a boy (because he was a boy at the time) that I shared almost every class with from 9-12th grade; ate lunch with; participated in drama club with; and so on. It has made me rethink my perceptions of people based on what I think I know about them. I remember the day JonBenet was found dead -- am I misremembering or was there ever footage of the house from the air on the news? I heard "found in a room previously searched" and I thought, "HINKY!" My interest in the case was casual at best until late last year, when I stumbled across the "Quiet Samantha Foster" site. I then proceeded to do quite a lot of reading about it. I would not think to call myself expert however... :) I am also not set on any one scenario or theory, just have a feeling that the Ramseys are involved in one way or another. I just keep reading and hoping justice will prevail. I'm glad I found JW, because I know there will always be a chance for that justice. My heart aches for that poor baby. I may have mentioned earlier that I have a niece that was born about a month before JonBenet's death. She is a beautiful, energetic, creative, loving child and I can't imagine what I would do if anything so heinous ever happened to her. Warmly, Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "A few days after the murder" Posted by Catwoman on 12:07:28 8/22/2000 I became "involved" a couple days after the murder, when I read a newspaper story about the case in my local Texas rag. I remember sitting with my husband while reading, and telling him that one or both parents did the deed. I've never wavered from that initial intuition, and the more I learn about the case, the more I'm convinced that Patsy and John know what happened that night. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Why???" Posted by Policedog on 19:17:53 8/22/2000 Well, I never thought I'd be writing this story again, but here I am. I will do my best to abbreviate it, though. I have a daughter who turned eight a couple of weeks before JonBenet was murdered. The day before the murder, we moved from a very small rural town, to the DFW metroplex. In the transition apartment we were in for six weeks while waiting for our house to be built, a newscast appeared on television talking about how JonBenet had seemingly been grabbed from her bed and murdered. The news completely terrified my little one, although I'm sure it was compounded by a couple of variables, namely being thrust into a social climate that was completely foreign to her, and having had a good scare from our cat shortly before we moved (cussed thing walked across the heating duct under the bathroom while she sat - defenseless, of course - and terrified on the throne). All of these factors combined to traumatize her to the point where she would not leave my sight, and would barely allow me to get arm's length distance from her. And it went on for several weeks... It had to have been one of the toughest things I have gone through as a parent. I had to sleep on her floor, accompany her to the bathroom, hold her hand while she was in the shower. She had trouble in school and we had trouble with the counselors there - it was nightmarish. I took her to a private counselor who told me that she had seen several children who had been similarly traumatized by JonBenet's murder, and that, although my daughter's reaction seemed extreme, it was not altogether off the scale of normal. She also told me to keep the television news shut off and not to bring any newspapers into the house. So by this time, whoever victimized JonBenet had also victimized my daughter and me, and the whole thing became very personal. I was pissed. And I wanted to know who the hell had bestowed this nightmare on us. The internet became the place for me to get my news, and I started at BNF early in January, after the counselor told us to shut off the TV and get rid of the newspapers. I've been a daily reader and sometimes poster ever since. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "I never thought.." Posted by Tricia on 19:22:28 8/22/2000 about the effect this horrible murder would have on little kids. Policedog I hope your daughter is doing better now. Thanks for telling us your story. Take Care Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Tricia" Posted by Policedog on 05:31:12 8/23/2000 She is doing really, really well. Thanks. :-) She got over her fear and now is as angry about it as I am. It was heartbreaking to me to learn from that counselor that so many children had been similarly affected. That infuriated me, too, and I'm sure I won't rest until someone faces charges for this crime. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "With your encouragement, LaC" Posted by MJenn on 15:52:04 8/23/2000 My grandson was less than a year old when JonBenet was murdered, and as the case has unfolded through the years, he's grown before my eyes into a child about JonBenet's size when she died. The more I've learned, the more I look at him and think, I'd be a crazy person if someone did that to him. They'd have to put me in a psych ward, because I'd be like Don Quixote, chasing everything that moved to find the killer. There would be no peace for anyone on this earth who had the misfortune to get in my path. I would be the avenging angel and a terrible sight to behold. So I can't let go of the fact that JonBenet has no one to fight for her like that. Even if the killer is her own brother, I would not trivialize her death in such a way as these horrors of the human species have. She deserves to be spoken for by an impartial judicial system, even if it's the juvenile court. Her parents lost control and failed to protect her, and they cannot stand in judgment of themselves. But that's not the way they see it, is it? And that really p*sses me off. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "My reason" Posted by sebastian on 17:06:05 8/23/2000 I fell in love with JonBenet and my heart broke when I read what happened to her. I couldn't imagine how anyone could do something so unthinkable especially on Christmas. I would have to say that my heart led me in this crusade for Justice for JonBenet and nothing else. She is the reason I spend my evenings in tears and why my anger has grown stronger against this type of abuse and murder. JonBenet alone has raised my awareness of child abuse in this country. I wish that I could have been there to save her and love her and make her life fun and full of joy. She certainly deserved better. It gives true meaning to the statement "money doesn't buy happiness." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE