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Pageants II, v_p, 20:28:31, 8/20/2001 Edie's post stems from, v_p, 20:31:55, 8/20/2001, (#1) vp, Twitch, 20:37:45, 8/20/2001, (#2) edie's reply, v_p, 20:38:44, 8/20/2001, (#3) Dearest Edie...Dearest Sparks...., Dunvegan, 20:43:56, 8/20/2001, (#4) Wow, Dun, Thor, 20:50:25, 8/20/2001, (#5) did you or did you not, Edie Pratt, 21:05:52, 8/20/2001, (#6) ..Edie.., DAWN, 21:21:19, 8/20/2001, (#7) dawn, Edie Pratt, 21:30:10, 8/20/2001, (#9) ...No Edie..., DAWN, 21:37:28, 8/20/2001, (#10) before Dun shared, Edie Pratt, 21:50:35, 8/20/2001, (#12) Daphne White, LurkerXIV, 21:27:17, 8/20/2001, (#8) Just so you know Edie, v_p, 21:54:54, 8/20/2001, (#14) Lurker, Morgan, 21:49:11, 8/20/2001, (#11) Here We Go Again..., LurkerXIV, 21:51:04, 8/20/2001, (#13) just so YOU know v-p, Edie Pratt, 22:08:33, 8/20/2001, (#19) What's your point morgon,, v_p, 21:57:18, 8/20/2001, (#15) sorry sparky, arvada, 22:08:06, 8/20/2001, (#18) No Edie, that's not how it went, v_p, 22:03:25, 8/20/2001, (#17) I'm not your girlfriend, v-p, Edie Pratt, 22:10:37, 8/20/2001, (#20) Edie...please edit the reference to a non-posters., Dunvegan, 00:31:49, 8/21/2001, (#30) (c) Moving my post, JR, 22:01:27, 8/20/2001, (#16) Dunvegan, Edie Pratt, 22:21:04, 8/20/2001, (#23) Edie...., Dunvegan, 00:11:23, 8/21/2001, (#28) Sorry Dun, Twitch, 04:15:15, 8/21/2001, (#31) Edie, v_p, 22:15:03, 8/20/2001, (#21) (c) VP & Edie, JR, 22:21:21, 8/20/2001, (#24) LOL, v_p, 22:18:23, 8/20/2001, (#22) (c) Edie, JR, 22:24:00, 8/20/2001, (#25) Dunvegan, Tricia, 22:54:31, 8/20/2001, (#27) No Edie , Twitch, 22:50:00, 8/20/2001, (#26) Thanks to you all...so many people read here..., Dunvegan, 00:17:56, 8/21/2001, (#29) Dun, Twitch, 04:23:40, 8/21/2001, (#32) What on earth is going on here?, Watching you, 05:35:02, 8/21/2001, (#33) I can't believe the post , v_p, 08:47:53, 8/21/2001, (#34) Ummmm, momo, 09:26:53, 8/21/2001, (#35) "Not that , Cassandra, 09:43:56, 8/21/2001, (#36) Why doesn't that surprise me?, Watching you, 09:59:49, 8/21/2001, (#37) Another post still standing, darby, 10:11:08, 8/21/2001, (#38) Dunvegan, Ayeka, 11:14:33, 8/21/2001, (#40) It certainly wasn't , Florida, 10:48:00, 8/21/2001, (#39) If it's OK, Morgan, 11:56:29, 8/21/2001, (#41) Morgan, Ayeka, 12:10:59, 8/21/2001, (#42) my 2 cents, luvsflowers, 12:33:43, 8/21/2001, (#47) Ayeka, Morgan, 12:28:44, 8/21/2001, (#45) Thank you Ayeka! , Seeker, 12:28:23, 8/21/2001, (#44) Seeker, Morgan, 12:31:34, 8/21/2001, (#46) In which post Morgan?, Seeker, 12:43:24, 8/21/2001, (#48) Personally..., janab, 12:23:24, 8/21/2001, (#43) names, fly, 13:01:42, 8/21/2001, (#50) Clearing things up a bit, Ayeka, 13:01:22, 8/21/2001, (#49) fly, janab, 13:17:13, 8/21/2001, (#52) Actually it's VP's roomie who should get, Seeker, 13:16:11, 8/21/2001, (#51) Let's Get REAL For Once, sarah, 14:09:34, 8/21/2001, (#57) Homosexual "outings",, LurkerXIV, 13:59:31, 8/21/2001, (#56) Janab, Watching you, 13:51:29, 8/21/2001, (#55) (c) Edie's PostS (yes 2), JR, 13:48:47, 8/21/2001, (#54) See post #30, Ayeka, 13:43:21, 8/21/2001, (#53) turning tables?, darby, 14:37:56, 8/21/2001, (#59) Not really, darby...., LurkerXIV, 14:51:08, 8/21/2001, (#61) Well, momo, 14:19:26, 8/21/2001, (#58) Oh! Please,, Florida, 14:47:56, 8/21/2001, (#60) The First Amendment, janab, 14:56:30, 8/21/2001, (#62) The point is ..., LurkerXIV, 15:16:27, 8/21/2001, (#65) I'm still waiting , Seeker, 15:07:37, 8/21/2001, (#63) I saw the term satanist, Watching you, 15:13:40, 8/21/2001, (#64) momo, Gemini, 15:23:35, 8/21/2001, (#66) Gem..., LurkerXIV, 15:30:09, 8/21/2001, (#67) L-XIV, Gemini, 15:42:15, 8/21/2001, (#68) Seeker, darby, 16:10:23, 8/21/2001, (#69) Lesbians, Covens, and Satanists, Cassandra, 16:30:16, 8/21/2001, (#71) Darby, Seeker, 16:27:14, 8/21/2001, (#70) Where in the rules, Morgan, 16:42:01, 8/21/2001, (#72) (c) Morgan, JR, 17:42:43, 8/21/2001, (#73) peace, darby, 18:05:41, 8/21/2001, (#74) Dun, Twitch, 19:05:27, 8/21/2001, (#76) Maybe..., RiverRat, 19:02:24, 8/21/2001, (#75) For crying out loud, janphi, 19:17:53, 8/21/2001, (#77) Hi Janphi, starry, 19:26:02, 8/21/2001, (#78) Janphi, Morgan, 19:35:34, 8/21/2001, (#79) It's not true, RiverRat, 19:47:07, 8/21/2001, (#80) I'm sure RiverRat, Pennant, 20:18:47, 8/21/2001, (#84) Lurker's post#56, Morgan, 19:53:03, 8/21/2001, (#81) Morgan's post #81, RiverRat, 19:59:00, 8/21/2001, (#82) What?, momo, 20:06:19, 8/21/2001, (#83) No..., RiverRat, 20:23:20, 8/21/2001, (#85) ................................................................... "Pageants II" Posted by v_p on 20:36:57 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:36:57, 8/20/2001 I didn't want to leave the following ugliness on the same thread where Dun had the guts to share and then her husband posted a lovely poem.... 76. "so it's OKiedoke now?" Posted by Edie Pratt on 20:15:24 8/20/2001 All these years and all the discussion about what a trashy, ego maniacal, child abusing bit*h Patsy was for putting her baby in those sick pageants, is AoK because Sparky did the same? Oh, OK. Just trying to get the party line on this, don't want to veer from that! Gee, after nearly 5 yrs and whoknowshowmany threads on the subject, I'm sorry I wasted all that time in agreement, only to find it's suddenly wholesome to exploit your little girls because Sparky thinks it is...I coulda gone another four and half years thinking there's something twisted about babies vamping in their off the shoulder, Vegas showgirl costumes, giving those judges the comehitherbigboy look. Thanks for saving me the time. Pageants are wholesome, all American passtimes, and we don't think there's anything strange about 'em or the parents that enroll their little showpups in them. Right Dun? Your experience must have been an annomaly, and all those moms-from-hell we saw on the A&E specials were too. OK, got it. Pageants for children are harmless activities designed to boost a child's self esteem. It sounds like Dun didn't get that lesson right away, but she probably wasn't bright enough to catch on at age THREE, lol. You people are too much! Hope Daphne was in them, and hope her dad got there just in time for the talent. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 78. "Edie Pratt" Posted by LurkerXIV on 20:19:49 8/20/2001 ??? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 79. "..Edie.." Posted by DAWN on 20:22:47 8/20/2001 ...?????... d 82. "My God Edie" Posted by Twitch on 20:28:55 8/20/2001 What is your problem? Whatever it is you have no right to take off on Sparky like that. I can't imagine you talking to your most beloved dog in such a manner. Sparky is a human being with deep feelings and a wonderful, kind, compassionate heart. Don't you presume to know her life's experiences and don't you dare presume to judge her or anything she does. I happen to know for a fact that she is the mother of a beautiful, intelligent, well rounded child whom she lives and dies for. Shame on you for saying such hateful things. You better believe that Sparky's experiences in pageants was in no way harmful to her daughter or else she wouldn't have been there. Times have changed Edie. I don't know how old you are but these past few decades have seen great changes in our culture and social mores and our feelings of what might be right or wrong for our children or how we might best set them on the right path for their entire lives. I always have enjoyed your humor and your to the point remarks here but you are way out of line on this one and I'm sure you don't care but I will never again see your hat here that I will not be reminded of the outright hatred you have shown someone I care greatly about. Signed - A former beauty contest herself, no not as a child but as a teenager who was old enough to know better - Twitch [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ******************************************************* 1. "Edie's post stems from" Posted by v_p on 20:33:54 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:33:54, 8/20/2001 what I see as other poster's justified anger over this post to sparky, who revealed she enrolled her children in a couple of beauty pageants. 38. "that's a cute rhyme, Sparky" Posted by Edie Pratt on 13:23:12 8/20/2001 maybe your little meal ticket could sing it when she bends over to show the judges her talent:-) ~*~*~*~* I suppose it's all or nothing at all for you Edie... my daughter was also in a baby pageant... but no one found her dead in my basement. I didn't bleach her hair or pinch her for not standing up straight... I didn't buy her $2,000 dresses. What you posted to sparky was totally out of line and vicious, and instead of trying to justify it... how about an apology? Are you big enough for that? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "vp" Posted by Twitch on 20:38:13 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:38:13, 8/20/2001 Would you move my post here also. I want to make sure Edie and everyone else reads just how much I am angered by her uncalled, hateful outburst. nevermind you are too quick for me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "edie's reply" Posted by v_p on 20:38:44 8/20/2001 80. "R E A D I N G" Posted by Edie Pratt on 20:25:39 8/20/2001 i s f u n d a m e n t a l...t r y h o o k e d o n p h o n i c s, i t w o r k s! G o t i t? G o o d:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Dearest Edie...Dearest Sparks...." Posted by Dunvegan on 20:48:49 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:48:49, 8/20/2001 Not all children lived the pageant world as I did. Especially those who only showed, and won a nice plaque or a badge, or a certificate for showing. The teeth-gritting determination of mothers or guardians like mine are the anomaly. Really. It is only from my experience that I know so. I often wished to go home with the lovely little girlfriends I met at shows, and go away to live with them. Their lives were nothing like my life. I could see their mothers loved them well. I ached for that type of life. That's exactly why I shone and strove so hard...I had NO choice. To the others, it was a far simpler event. For me, it was made to seem life-or-death. In all walks of life, in all of life's pursuits, there are participants, champions, and the occasional stage mother-sports father maniacs. But, in these same events, there are straightforward parents just involving their children in events to socalize them, or to teach them skills. I believe that in every single pagent I participated in, it was not me or any other child that was the competition: my guardian was the most deadly competitor. The others had no idea what they were up against. My guardian saw any of my potential as a means to further her ambitions, and threw nearly super-human efforts into one thing, and only one thing: The Win. Just like anything else (Little League, skating, dancing, ballet, or gymnastics)...some parents and children are loving teams, some are kids pushed reluctantly...but not too hard, and then there are other children who labour under great pressure. Edie and Sparks, I love you both. I would have given anything to have been loved by either of you in your loving homes. My experience was not typical. Every childhood competition is not a blood sport for every child. What happened to me was rare, but not non-existant. And, for children who are physically, emotionally, and sexually abused, sometimes the applause of the outside world means the entire world in keeping you going...a momentary escape...a possible door to freedom. I would have rather competed than be locked into that house and have no voice, no appreciation, no understanding from the outside. It was a great comfort to me to find that others, normal others thought well of me. It may have saved my soul. All my life I have now striven to help others, partially because of the terror of my childhood, mostly because I wish to emulate the kindnesses that were shown to me when I was out there, on stage, alone but for the applause and the backstage kindnesses. And, I still strive to make peace whenever I can. I care about you both. Please help me here and now with that life's aim. That's all I can ask. I am so sorry that my ramblings has caused fighting...please let that not be so.... Edited to say: Twitch...I would have given anyting that there is for a child to give to have been taken into your home, too. Sometimes, just sometimes, there are no houses of terror greater than a child's own. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Wow, Dun" Posted by Thor on 20:50:25 8/20/2001 I'm just getting in on the last of all of this, such great thoughts! Dun, Blackbird is indeed lucky to have you. As are we. I have always liked your posts and think you've done a great job in taking over this forum. Love your graphics, too. Wish I could be so clever. You're a good-looking broad, wish I could be as well! I was in a beauty contest, I guess, when I was about 2 or 3, Mom told me. I won a $1.00. No chit. Ha! At least I'm still alive!! And you do kinda look like Marj H. Not Patster, tho. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "did you or did you not" Posted by Edie Pratt on 21:05:52 8/20/2001 comment on the A&E production of the child beauty pageants? Did you or did you not all talk for days about the mothers of those poor little girls? Did you or did you not comment on the one little girl in particular making playboy picture pouts with her mouth, and how they all shook their little bee's butt behinds at the judges??? Did you or did you not all comment at one time or another on Patsy's comment "you're still on display", when she wanted a sweater? Did you or did you not form an adverse opinion of Patsy Ramsey for her dogged pursuit of trophies-for-looks? I could go on, but you'll all just deny it like HIR denies the truth, because NOW it doesn't suit you. Yes, whomever, I am sorry that I said that, it was out of anger for sure, but you don't want to see why I am angry to begin with so I'll take my leave and forever remain a villain for saying what you ALL have been saying for years. Fed up with this whole damned mess anyway. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "..Edie.." Posted by DAWN on 21:21:19 8/20/2001 ...I understand where your anger and annoyance lies...I feel the same way as you...I have not swayed from my beliefs...in fact I find all of this alien to me... We don't make a big thing of pageants here in London...in fact I have NEVER met anyone here who has ever put their child into that sort of activity...kids do other things here...and of course...they also get abused...this happens everywhere...but pageants are for a very minute few here...it is not the norm...so I am unfamiliar with all of this...I can only read and learn... Edie...I agree that it's either wholesome or not...you do it or not...that is everyone's choice...But some mums take it as a bit of fun...and others make it their whole life's ambition...and ultimately can destroy their child...none of us here are agreeing to that... By the way...I'm nobody's best friend here...it's too hard to be close with a computer screen...but my opinions never change...even though I'm a *** Goodnight all... dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "dawn" Posted by Edie Pratt on 21:30:10 8/20/2001 thank you for the very reasonable post...I was just about to leave when I read that. I am a ***, too, and believe me, in RL there have been plenty of "friends" that said that very thing to me:-) Thanks for seeing my side, and understanding the double standards I've pointed out...beginning to think I'm in another country, myself. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "...No Edie..." Posted by DAWN on 21:56:28 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:56:28, 8/20/2001 ...You thought that we were having double standards...but it wasn't that at all...beautiful Dun shared her pain...and bad experience...that is all...I'm sure that Sparky is very different to the Ramski one...and we know what SHE is all about... ...But I fully understand what you mean about "I didn't know that you were a ***...wow! You don't look ******...wow...some of my best friends are ******!!!"....hahahahaha...what a f*ing joke... Goodnight... d edited to say: I have NEVER commented to my friends about looking/not looking catholic/christian...or muslim...strange... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "before Dun shared" Posted by Edie Pratt on 21:50:35 8/20/2001 my post was to MeeToo in question about a rumor that DW was in pageants. I asked where she got that info, and expressed my doubt because surely Patsy would have used the DW in pageants as an example/excuse/justification. I did NOT say DW was in them, don't have a clue, but asked alot of questions only to be answered by someone else that I am nosey. (no chit? and she's not?) This bit of info could have helped Patsy rehabilitate her image, at least in JW's eyes, because F&PW thought the pageants good enough for their girl. I didn't start a rumor, only questioned it, and then I get slapped for viewing pageant moms and the whole genre as sick...just like everyone else has for almost 5 years! But, this time FW enters the conversation, and now pageants aren't all that bad, and pageants are different in rural communities, and pageants are harmless just look at Sparky's kid, etc...now I'm sick and Twitch will forever think of my evil post each time she sees my hat. I was great when that kind of post was aimed at someone she didn't like, lol. I just have to learn to give up this case and the people in it, it's gotten on my very last nerve. So, from now on, I will keep my opinions to myself and my questions will just have to be answered down the road when and if there's ever someone that knows the truth. It's only guesswork around here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Daphne White" Posted by LurkerXIV on 21:27:17 8/20/2001 Before a certain forum faction goes off on rumors about Daphne White being in pageants, is it too much to ask for some supporting source...a newspaper item, a URL, anything...to prove that Daphne was, indeed, a pageanteer? Otherwise, if we can't have this simplest of proof, it is a totally worthless exercise to discuss this angle. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Just so you know Edie" Posted by v_p on 21:54:54 8/20/2001 There is a big difference in pageants... depending on where you're from and the age. I don't think you are in any position to judge Sparky OR her daughter... you insulted her daughter as much as you did Sparky. I still rail against the mothers on A&E that we talked about. I want to puke on Patsy for the spectacle she made of JonBenet... but out of respect for JonBenet, I would never insult the sweet little girl by calling her "mommy's meal ticket and saying she should bend over and shake her money-maker at the Judges... that's just mean and hateful. You don't know anything about what Sparky did with her kids... we saw first hand how Patsy and the mothers on A&E were with their daughters. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Lurker" Posted by Morgan on 21:49:11 8/20/2001 No one's likely to show you that kind of proof--remember the story about Fleet blowing up like a Chinese firecracker when he got the notion that Hunter gave a bunny holding pic of Daphne to the tabs? If she was in pageants and had glamour shots taken, my assumption would be that Fleet and Pris woud swoop down on the photographer like bats out of hell and the poor artiste would quickly be minus a few negatives and plus some $$$. If Daphne did participate in pageants, it's interesting that the Rams never mentioned it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Here We Go Again..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 21:51:04 8/20/2001 ...a perfectly good thread hi-jacked into another Fleet White-bashing session. Good Night, Nurse! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "just so YOU know v-p" Posted by Edie Pratt on 22:08:33 8/20/2001 I apologized for that comment, but you will not let it go. I have no idea what kind of mother Sparky is/isn't, but like you, I made judgments based on my limited knowledge of pageants. And, just like you, I saw those mothers on A&E and saw evil...not just ONE mother, mind you, but nearly all of them, especially the ones they featured. You all agreed, for crying outloud!!!! But, none of us know those moms, and we made judgments of them from an hour long program...just like some of us pass judgment from a post or two. I couldn't care less at this point, you all will argue the color of the sky just to be contrary and/or suck ups. I enjoyed this forum before you got here, v-p, but since your arrival it sucks. You overestimate your importance. Your opinion of me makes no difference in the "grand scheme of things", so go try on your tiaras and bathing suits, and recall the glory days..I'm fine with that:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "What's your point morgon," Posted by v_p on 21:57:18 8/20/2001 What exactly are you trying to say? "Duh" and all that you know.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "sorry sparky" Posted by arvada on 22:08:06 8/20/2001 I know that remark had to hurt. No one has the right to assume that you were comparable to Patsy. You are brave for posting that your child was in a pageant or 2. To me there is nothing wrong with them, unless the parents make them wrong. Patsy make them wrong and forever stigmatized that world. You simply cannot think of a little beauty contestant without thinking of Jonbebet now, and how overdone she was, all 'patsied'up. I hope this careless remark that was thrown out doesnt cause you pain. I think a lot of you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "No Edie, that's not how it went" Posted by v_p on 22:03:25 8/20/2001 >>>But, this time FW enters the conversation, and now pageants aren't all that bad, and pageants are different in rural communities, and pageants are harmless just look at Sparky's kid, etc <<< and you know it. No one said if FW's kid was in the pageant then that makes them allright. Who gives a flip whether she was or she wasn't? Wanna bash FW and this is how you're gonna set it up??? Go for it girlfriend... Here, let me start.... That sick-o got mad at a bunny picture with Daphne in it and because no way nofluckingwhere on this earth are there other pictures of Daphne White FW got mad as hell and was thinking through how he an Prissy would have to hunt down the tabs if they ever got hold of the glamour shots that were (supposedly) taken of Daphne who also played hide and seek and ... gosh .... and then when they find the star and the enquirer and the globe they'd have to pay for all the glamour shots all over again and shush up the tabs and and and and... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "I'm not your girlfriend, v-p" Posted by Edie Pratt on 22:10:37 8/20/2001 that's what your roommate's for:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Edie...please edit the reference to a non-posters." Posted by Dunvegan on 00:31:49 8/21/2001 Just remove the part above about a poster's friend. We'll all go forward trying to not brings outside private personalities into our intraform conflicts. Thank you, Edie, for complying. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "(c) Moving my post" Posted by JR on 22:14:15 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:14:15, 8/20/2001 90. "(c) Edie" Posted by JR on 21:58:23 8/20/2001 No one has said all pageants are OK. Many of us have said they can be good for low self-esteem. But there are pageants and then there are PAGEANTS. The other thread IMHO, was all in good fun until your last comment. It stung. Further, IMHO, your attack on Dun is totally out of line. No one, not one person has said it is OK to take a six year old child and make her look and act like a miniature hooker (my opinion). Further, JonBenet's appears to have been doing he pageants against her will at least at times. Dun is saying she was treated the same way or worse. Would you attack JonBenet the way you just attacked her? I don' think so. Why not cool down a bit and re-read what has been said. Dun shared her experience here so people would know how she felt and IMHO, it was pretty darn humiliated at times. Can't you read the pain in her post? I cried and I cried when I read Blackbird's poem to her. Please...re-read her post. She is not saying it's OK. Sparky's experience with her own child sounds like she was not in the same league (no insult this is meant as to pushy VS cute little baby) with the likes of JonBenet and what Dun experienced. Ask Sparky about it. Just like everything else, some ruin good things for all. Not all cheerleaders, drill teams, pom-pom girls, flag girls, rodeo queens and so on are made up to the nines either but some are and at very young ages. It's very common in the South to be involved in one or all of these. However, I can tell you the pictures I have seen in the local paper show nice looking girls, dressed in standard "prom" type clothes and little makeup with normal hair styles. The objection and I think even yours, is to those pageants that allow the prostitution of a child (whether it be for fame, show, money, sex or other.) Please think about your opinions - all pageants or only those that allow the BS that went on with JonBenet? Please re-read and see the pain in Duns own words. Please, we care about you Edie, you are funny, witty, smarter than the average bear and an asset to the forum. But, again, you are out of line right now. I can understand the anger. I too would like to kick Patsy's hiney from here to Spain. If I ever found out Sparky allowed her child to be in the same types of pageants, TRUST ME, she would be next on the list - just as soon as they could get my foot out of Patsy's backside. But I don't see Sparky as a person who would allow that. I think we are talking pretty little dresses and maybe a hair bow. IOW - Pretty Baby Contests. By the way, (about the time you were having some difficulties and not posting or seldom) Sparky did post a picture of baby in her finery and I can tell you, it was nothing horrible or out of place. She is just a very pretty baby in a very pretty fru-fru dress. That was you right Sparky? Edie, three deep breaths then ask Sparky to send you the picture. Toss a hug Duns way, IMHO, she really needs it right now. Thank you. Blackbird - thank you for taking care of Dun and loving her so much. Dun - {{{{{hugs}}}}} [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] Yes I edited - so what [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Dunvegan" Posted by Edie Pratt on 22:21:04 8/20/2001 did I say one thing that makes fun of your situation? Did I say one thing that was meant to insult you? You know better than that, and you also know how to read my posts, what is tongue in cheek and what isn't. You are brilliant, and dear, and you must know from our past discussions that I would not hurt you for the world. I pointed out your pain to make my point! I sarcastically said you didn't get the pageant's full purpose because you were 3, and therefor self esteem wasn't exactly what you got from the deal. I do not care if the other women can't comprehend my point, I know that you CAN, but I have to laugh because my original post was only a reaffirmation of what THEY have been saying all along. Sparky for the last time, I was making a point, got angry and swiped you back, for that I am truly sorry. However, I stand by my opinion that pageants are sick. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Edie...." Posted by Dunvegan on 00:11:23 8/21/2001 ...I'm sorry if something I said could be taken in any anger at all. I never thought you were talikng specifically about my entire life in pageants. I never took it that way. No need to apologize to me. Yes, Edie, I know that you would never say anything in the world meant to hurt me. We are not arguing. I am, however, trying to help the you and our other preciously valuable posters...take a deep breath before posting. Edie, you've all ways been ultimately supportive of me, and terrifically kind. I took nothing you said personally. But, I'd still like to see us all speak to all other posters as civilly as possible. It's a wonder I have a tongue at all, as much as I've bitten it to refrain from saying what I think too quickly. So, it's only my own experience I'm speaking from. RST must love this sort of talk, I'm afraid...it takes away from our astounding ability to get the goods on them. Trials are coming up...please, let us all, every single one of us, try to get focused on that. Signed, Pollyanna Brand New Pledge at the JW Sorority [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Sorry Dun" Posted by Twitch on 04:15:15 8/21/2001 I took her remarks very personally...Sparky is an unfit mother and vp has her sexuality questioned?....personal, mean, insensitive and UNCALLED for... How long is this sort of stuff gonna continue? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Edie" Posted by v_p on 22:15:03 8/20/2001 I missed your apology to sparky in all that jibberish... maybe she'll be able to find it. As for the rest of your insults aimed at me... gosh, I wish I could take them to heart, but what you think about me is not important to me, sorry. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "(c) VP & Edie" Posted by JR on 22:49:03 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:49:03, 8/20/2001 Edie is obviously hurting too and maybe we are over looking that. Hopefully, you will take that into account and ignore the attempt to sting you too. Edie, please...back off and cool off a bit. I know you have a huge heart and I know you will probably regret some of your comments. But words said can't be unsaid. How about a nice warm bath and glass of chilled wine like lucky Dun had served to her? Cool down then come back and show us that Edie spirit where it needs to send the B*slap express. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "LOL" Posted by v_p on 22:23:15 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:23:15, 8/20/2001 This isn't the place... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "(c) Edie" Posted by JR on 22:36:10 8/20/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:36:10, 8/20/2001 Thank you. {{{{{Hugs}}}}} Edited cause I rethunk this. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Dunvegan" Posted by Tricia on 22:54:31 8/20/2001 Your story is one of the most powerful stories I have ever read concerning abuse. I am stunned and really don't know what to say. Thank God you are able to take what has happened to you and turn it into a driving force that helps others. You are strong because of your experience it sounds like. Although I can only imagine your struggles everyday because of what you went through. Jon Benet has a powerful and compassionate ally in you. God Bless you. By the way when I saw that picture I swear I thought is was something from a magazine. Like one of those 10 grand an hour model types. Thank you so much Dunvegan. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "No Edie " Posted by Twitch on 07:10:02 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 07:10:02, 8/21/2001 I really don't like that kind of post no matter whom its aimed at and I don't like losing my temper either. I don't recall the majority of your posts being so filled with anger. As you suggested, I will also let it rest. Edited to add s to post. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Thanks to you all...so many people read here..." Posted by Dunvegan on 00:17:56 8/21/2001 ...all kinds of case players. They so rely on us and our critical thinking on this case. News is slow this week...but it is about to pick up sooner that we think. That's when we'll be relied upon to analyze the data from our considerable data warehouse memories, and make a contribution to this cause. Thank you all. Everyone. Thanks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Dun" Posted by Twitch on 04:37:52 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 04:37:52, 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 04:30:45, 8/21/2001 I want to be supportive and you and the new JW but you need to take a stand here and stop apologizing to forum members for the harm THEY are causing. Edie has insulted Sparky as a mother and she has questioned publicly vp's sexuality. Take a stand so I will know whether to stay or go. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "What on earth is going on here?" Posted by Watching you on 05:35:02 8/21/2001 Dunvegan, I have adopted you, you are now my child. I wish I could go back and undo the hurt you suffered - I would if I could. You and my daughter may look a lot alike, but you grew up in completely different worlds. Isn't that strange, though, I recognized that difference in your picture - alike but not - I couldn't put my finger on it - something in the eyes - she doesn't have that baggage in her eyes, that's all I can say about it right now. Perhaps in private sometime. Edie, your posts were vile. I'm sorry, I've also enjoyed your wit and humor, but you are going after people on a very personal level, and frankly, it sucks. Now you can come after me, but I really don't care. I know you have your own issues and are probably speaking from that place, but what you've done here is dead wrong. I agree with Twitch that these kinds of personal attacks should be disallowed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "I can't believe the post " Posted by v_p on 08:47:53 8/21/2001 stands this morning. Anyone who knows me here knows I can take insults and come back swinging... most of the time I think cyber insults are funny... it's like being in a chat room and someone saying they're gonna "kick your ass." It's ridiculous. But this isn't about me, it's about my roommate. She reads JW every day. She's mad and hurt and therefore I'm even more upset that it's still here this morning. You can't please all the people all the time Dunvegan. You went to the trouble to make house rules... I guess they are meaningless. I fully realize I'm no great loss to this forum if I leave, but that is exactly what I'm going to do if this post remains. I have to take a stand for my friend if you won't. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Ummmm" Posted by momo on 09:26:53 8/21/2001 Isn't this the workout room? If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. I've had several posters here get very personal and ugly with me, but I guess I wasn't a part of a certain group, so no one came to my defense. I always see the same ole people asking for apologies when it's obvious they would never or have never apologized for treating people the way they do. Give me a break! I guess different rules apply to different posters. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. ""Not that " Posted by Cassandra on 09:43:56 8/21/2001 there's anything wrong with it." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Why doesn't that surprise me?" Posted by Watching you on 09:59:49 8/21/2001 if you think it is okay to make assumptions and claims about another poster's sex life by insinuating that person is gay when in fact nothing could be further from the truth, why don't we talk about YOUR sexual preferences, then? Would it be okay for me to assume a girlfriend of yours was your lover? How would that make you feel? WOR or no, that has no place anywhere on the forum. Dunvegan asked that this reference to a non-poster be removed. Shows how much respect some posters have for Dun, doesn't it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Another post still standing" Posted by darby on 10:11:08 8/21/2001 9. "LXIV..." Posted by A.K. on 01:04:09 8/14/2001 (snip) If they were any kind of decent individuals, they would be sickened and speak up against the practices of "the Coven." (snip) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Dunvegan" Posted by Ayeka on 11:14:33 8/21/2001 I read your story and got chills. I'm so sorry that anyone has to go through what you did. I've known people who put their children in pageants but sheesh, there are shades of grey here. None of them were even remotely in the same category that Patsy (and the HBO moms) was in with regards to her over the top costumes and win-at-all-costs mentality. Edie, I think you overreacted. Also, it is foolhardy to expect everyone to know how to interpret what you've written. Never assume and all that. If you're being sarcastic, say so. A smile ( :) ) or a wink ( ;) ) does the trick nicely. Also, Dun, I didn't mean anything but a compliment when I said you resemble Marg Helgenberger. She's a very pretty lady, as are you, inside and out. Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "It certainly wasn't " Posted by Florida on 10:48:00 8/21/2001 V_P's arrival that made this forum suck, it was the arrival of the unsubstantiated attacks on the character of Fleet White because of Nancy Krebs unsubstantiated allegations. IMO, those vicious posts attacking Sparks and V_P should be removed - nothing they said called for the response they got. Actually, this whole thread should be dumped, it is nauseating in its nastiness. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "If it's OK" Posted by Morgan on 11:56:29 8/21/2001 for A.K. to refer to certain JW members as "The Coven" then why isn't it OK to refer to v-p's sexual preference? It's OK to be labeled a Satanist or a witch but a homosexual is WORSE? V_p herself refers to her rrommate on many occassions, so there is at least REASON to make that assumption. A.K. labels posters as Satanists and FOR WHAT REASON? Do "Coven" members sign their posts with hexagons? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Morgan" Posted by Ayeka on 13:12:21 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:12:21, 8/21/2001 for A.K. to refer to certain JW members as "The Coven" then why isn't it OK to refer to v-p's sexual preference? It's OK to be labeled a Satanist or a witch but a homosexual is WORSE? V_p herself refers to her rrommate on many occassions, so there is at least REASON to make that assumption. A.K. labels posters as Satanists and FOR WHAT REASON? Do "Coven" members sign their posts with hexagons? Personally, I think both are pretty offensive when meant as a mean-spirited jab. I respectfully request Edie to apologize (even if you did not intend to offend, you did) and remove the contents of the post in question. I also respectfully request that we all cease to use the phrase "The Coven" as a derogatory term, as it is personally offensive to me as a Witch, not that I'm the boss of you all or anything. :/ Ayeka ps. Hexagons? Surely you are kidding. :) [edited to remove a pesky word that clouded my meaning; apologies Morgan.] [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "my 2 cents" Posted by luvsflowers on 12:33:43 8/21/2001 Im a slow thinker. Im still mulling over the answer to the question- "Is JW still the forum of record?" well absolutely. I mean, after this and the many other current threads how could there ever have been any doubt???? who asked that asinine question anyways? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Ayeka" Posted by Morgan on 12:28:44 8/21/2001 Are you going to say that a homosexual and a Satanist are both bad, and equally so? And while I'm at it, is v_p a hypocrite or what? She constantly refers to me as "Morgon" or "Mor(g)on" in case anyone misses her point. So she calls me a moron on a regular basis, for no good reason, because I am obviously incredibly smart;-/, but she's offended by homosexual references. So, even if v_p and others do honestly perceive me as being mentally deficient, is it then O.K. to mock my mental abilities? Dun, is it going to be tolerated to call posters morons and Satanists, but homosexuality is taboo? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Thank you Ayeka! " Posted by Seeker on 12:28:23 8/21/2001 If it's meant as a fun hearted jab I don't mind anyone using the term "Coven" either. I also am a practicing witch (although a solitary and Earth centered). Never again the burning times... Besides a full coven has to have at least 9 memebers (you're educational tip in alternative religion for the day) not just a handful. For Morgan, witches are NOT satanists. There's no devil in the craft. I've never seen anyone refer to you or your sister and "friends" as "Satanists". There is a difference. I think Edie owe's vp an appology for that crack too. To reference someone's sexual orientation is very offensive and more destructive than anything I've seen out of her to date. So when did she become so hateful and vile? I used to really enjoy Edie's humorous jabs, but lately she's become embittered and just plain mean. What's up with that? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Seeker" Posted by Morgan on 12:31:34 8/21/2001 Maybe you need to educate A.K. since she uses both terms interchangeably. And she does say Satanists and Coven to be offensive. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "In which post Morgan?" Posted by Seeker on 12:43:24 8/21/2001 Morgan, in which post can I find this? I've never seen it, granted I've been away a bit, so could you give me a specific post to see? Thanks in advance. If so I will personally confront/educate A.K. about it. I think attacking someone based on their sexual orientation, political affilitaion, or religious preference is pretty low. Maybe that's just me. I can laugh along with just about anything that is meant in a non-derogitory way, but when it's a hate filled (or seemingly hate filled) post and personal interjections are made, well you know... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Personally..." Posted by janab on 12:23:24 8/21/2001 I can't believe anybody finds being referred to as homosexual offensive. If someone assumed that a close friend and I were lovers, I might correct them...might not. But I certainly wouldn't feel offended by it or take it in a derogatory way. . janab [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "names" Posted by fly on 13:01:42 8/21/2001 janab - It would be nice if implying someone was homosexual was taken on an equal par with implying somebody was blond, but that just isn't the case with a large part of society. The comment above wasn't meant in a neutral sense - at least that was my take on it. Morgan - I'll suggest that AK hardly thinks you are satanists. Rather, it has always been plain to me that she sees you as strong believers in satanic abuse being a major problem. Of course, I won't say she uses the term in a particularly complimentary way, either. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Clearing things up a bit" Posted by Ayeka on 13:13:55 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:13:55, 8/21/2001 Morgan: Are you going to say that a homosexual and a Satanist are both bad, and equally so? I reread what I wrote and realize I was a little unclear to my meaning -- I've fixed it. Anyway. It boils down to intent. Heavily edited because Seeker and fly said it better. Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "fly" Posted by janab on 13:17:13 8/21/2001 I know what you mean, but WY asked: "If you think it is okay to make assumptions and claims about another poster's sex life by insinuating that person is gay when in fact nothing could be further from the truth, why don't we talk about YOUR sexual preferences, then? Would it be okay for me to assume a girlfriend of yours was your lover? How would that make you feel?" I was just answering the questions. . janab [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Actually it's VP's roomie who should get" Posted by Seeker on 13:16:11 8/21/2001 the appology. Edie, I'm sure you really offended and hurt her with your post. You may have meant to inflict some type of damage on vp, but your sarcastic and caustic remark actually insinuated that she and her roommate are lesbians, was probably more offensive to the one person who ISN'T A POSTER HERE! If you had any class or decency you'd at least appologise to her for your insensitive remark. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Let's Get REAL For Once" Posted by sarah on 14:09:34 8/21/2001 Before anyone else says Edie should apologise, think about where Edie's coming from. Go back to the begining, where it all started, put yourself in Edie's place, and work out from there. 'Mee Too' was the poster who brought up Daphne White's name first, and Mee Too was simply posing a question. She said: "Wasn't it rumored/reported Daphne White was in pageants...Did anyone hear this...seems I saw it posted at one of the forums or maybe Pam Griffin ?...I know it wasn't in a Tab....Did Judith Phillips or Randy Simmons do her pics as well as JonBenets... Edie, I guess you can read here, but low unto you're a$$ if you try to post here. Edie's first mistake was when she went asking a simple question to 'Mee Too ~ that is, IF Mee Too had ever heard of Daphne White being in a contest. She said: ". "Whoa, MeeToo!" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:32:54 8/20/2001 back up...where did you hear Daphne White (love her name:-) ), was in pageants?!? Really? With JonBenet? Why didn't Patsy say so, when everyone was attacking her for exploiting JB? If someone else in the RamseyRealm was doing the same thing with their kid, how come nobody ever said so? ( do I seem like I work for the CIA with all these questions? LOL)" Let's get real. There's not a damn thing wrong with that post. Point is, all Edie did was post a reply to Mee Too. And they posted back and forth with no problems. It was Sparky who threw the first spitball, out of nowhere, and aimed at Edie. Sparky's post followed Edie's. Would she post to say, Dunvegan like this, if it was Dunvegan who had asked the same question? Let's see how it sounds: "Dunvegan" Posted by 1000Sparks on 12:10:00 8/20/2001 I don't think you are with the CBI or anything like that... nosey is more like it. My daughter was in two pageants and I never even hit or slapped her..... put that in your pipe and smoke it." Which, as usual, was followed by the usual immediate back-up from JR: " . "Sparky" Posted by JR on 12:13:22 8/20/2001 I have it on good authority that Edie is pageant queen and her slapped everyone else to make them let her win. ;-\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now, WHO REALLY started this? Let's get real for a change. Just once. Sparky, you and your Gang-Of-Four have decided Edie is persona-non-grata; that is the REAL truth. It really doesn't matter WHAT Edie said, for that matter, what she'll EVER say. One of the Spamming Four will twist it and find fault in it. Of course, step two is to go running to Dunvegan. I'd like to know how many times you guys hit the alert button on Edie while doing a gang bang on her. I tell you this: If you lose Edie, you've lost a powerful poster. To Edie: Edie, give it up. I posted a John-Did-It thread here last week when the new forum opened -and they did the same thing to me. ..Said the fact that Johnnie boy had Beth's pictures slathered all over his private bathroom was, get this, AN INAPPROPRIATE TOPIC FOR THIS FORUM--RFLOL!!! They even went so far as to say I was "sick" for starting the thread. RFLOL. They sure got rid of me in a hurry. No contest! I'm outta here. Yep, no more case posts or thread starters from "sick" ole me, that's fer sure, because unlike Edie, who tried to fight back and has been chastised for it, I gave up. To the rest of you: This is not 'the forum of choice, or the forum of record anymore. This is a sick place to read, and an impossible place to post. You fight anyone who posts here that's not your approved vendor list with snips and jabs and snide one-liners until, like a dog that's been continually kicked, they bite back. Take a bite of your own medicine for once. Sit back- quit spamming the damn board and let others have their say for once without continually gang-banging them by picking their posts to SHREDS, and jumping their backs. Otherwise this forum is going to REMAIN one long daily thread, with everybody here sounding just like the other. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Homosexual "outings"," Posted by LurkerXIV on 14:28:18 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:28:18, 8/21/2001 whether true or false, when published on the internet or in other media, can and have been the subject of many lawsuits. We are trying to avoid litigation headaches for Dunvegan. The remark made by Edie was uncalled for and possibly libelous. There are still some areas in our country, particularly where v-p and her friend live, where even a rumor of homosexuality can be the reason for an employer to fire someone....even though such an action is discriminatory and un constitutional. It happens. Also consider that v-p has a teenage daughter who has access to her computer, and sometimes reads Justicewatch. Therefore, I believe that Edie's statement was libelous and potentially harmful to v-p's employment, reputation, emotional well-being, and peace of mind. Very definite grounds for a legal action. That post should be removed, ASAP. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Janab" Posted by Watching you on 13:51:29 8/21/2001 it doesn't have a damn thing to do with who's a homosexual and whether it's a bad thing or a good thing or not. It has to do with, like, it's nobody's business what anyone's sexual orientation is on this forum - not mine, not yours, no one's. In no way has v_p ever even intimated that she and her roommate were anything but just that - roommates. Edie's comment was meant as an insult and innuendo about their relationship that she had no business making. It was, frankly, vulgar. It's like my asking you, did you get laid last night? Well, was it male or female? It's vulgar, it's none of my damn business, and my intent in asking you would be to insult you or embarrass you. There are a lot or rude and snide remarks being made here, and those are what cause fights - not the discussion material - it's the little asides that are not only unnecessary, they are meant to incite. I have always liked EdiePrat, but this time she stepped over the line. This isn't about AK and the ongoing feud you guys have with her. This is about sexual slurs. It's offensive. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "(c) Edie's PostS (yes 2)" Posted by JR on 13:59:19 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:59:19, 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:51:35, 8/21/2001 Should have been removed immediately IMHO. but I also know what was going on at the time and Dun had her hands full. What happened on JW last night was painful to many, Dun included. Dun - Edie doesn't even check in on a daily basis. IMHO, Edie's posts should be handled the same way that post #11 (as it's now labeled) was handeled. I am referring to her post regrading Starry and VP and her roommate is case there is any question. Edited to say: To those not upset that this is in the WOR, it was posted in the JBR forum initially, Dun has moved the thread here (probably to give Edie time to make her changes.) Gotta go now, my mom has oral surgery this afternoon. Editing again though I will be late - How Edie's post to VP inpacted me. Edie was hurting last night as well as many other IMHO. I offered her a hug but felt inclined to let her know it was platonic - I then removed the statement realizing it could be offensive to others. When a person's race or religious, sexual, or other lifestyle choices (this includes comments sly or not in reference to someone being a "goody two-shoes" as well) are attacked, it's very easy to take a defensive stance and that too can lead to more hurt. It is simply a no win situation for all posters and should not be tolerated IMHO. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "See post #30" Posted by Ayeka on 13:43:21 8/21/2001 That was Dun's main objection, bringing a non-poster into it. Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "turning tables?" Posted by darby on 14:37:56 8/21/2001 Much ado about ONE incident. Think about practically everything LurkerXIV just said and imagine how it feels to be accused of being part of a coven or a satanic cult, oh, at least a hundred times on these fora. Like, that's okay? Nah, I don't think so. It's libel. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Not really, darby...." Posted by LurkerXIV on 14:51:08 8/21/2001 Satanism and Wicca are protected by the first amendment. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Well" Posted by momo on 14:21:32 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:21:32, 8/21/2001 It's awfully strange how those who lob the insults get their panties in a wad when someone finally lobs one back. Then they expect an apology. LOL Maybe we should start a thread on who each and everyone here is that needs to apologize, and for what. This is still the WOR, right? Sarah, you and Gem are right about Sparky. She likes to throw the first insult and when all hell breaks loose, she plays innocent. That is the way it is! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Oh! Please," Posted by Florida on 14:47:56 8/21/2001 find one of Sparks posts that comes close to this. 38. "that's a cute rhyme, Sparky" Posted by Edie Pratt on 13:23:12 8/20/2001 maybe your little meal ticket could sing it when she bends over to show the judges her talent:-) You'll never find one. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "The First Amendment" Posted by janab on 14:56:30 8/21/2001 (So that no one else has to go look it up when referencing it later on.) Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. ~~~ I suspect if someone finds it offensive to be called homosexual and, because of that, we shouldn't call them homosexual, then if someone finds it offensive to be called a satanist, we shouldn't call them that either, right? Don't you think there are employers who might fire someone if they found out they were a practicing satanist? . janab [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "The point is ..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:16:27 8/21/2001 that religious rights are protected by the U.S.Constitution. Homosexual rights depend upon state and local laws, and to a greater extent, on custom. I don't have time to give a lecture here on why homosexuals have to fight harder than any other group of citizens for their rights. Go do a GOOGLE, janab! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "I'm still waiting " Posted by Seeker on 15:07:37 8/21/2001 for someone to direct me to a post where anyone here called anyone else a "satanist". I really doubt any exist or someone would have pointed it out, or given a link by now. THE PROBLEM IS THE SMEAR WAS AGAINST A NON-POSTER WHO OCCASSIONALLY READS HERE, NOT VP (cause she could give a fig less) JMO but I think people who are not registered posters should be OFF LIMITS (like your kids are) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "I saw the term satanist" Posted by Watching you on 15:13:40 8/21/2001 used on another forum, but I don't recall seeing it used here. It may have been, but I don't recall it. At any rate, I suspect if one really wanted to take this further, there could be a lot worse names brought up - try baby raper henchmen, for one. Remember that one? I have more, if you'd like to see them. There was a lot of rancor and high passion during that time, and people were slinging names back and forth - it wasn't one sided by any means. You want to talk libel, darby, you need to look in both directions. I know I never called anyone a satanist. What happened here has nothing to do with what happened during that mudslinging contest. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "momo" Posted by Gemini on 15:23:35 8/21/2001 Sparks does, indeed, have a way about her ... but there are jabs and there are mudballs, if you see what I mean. It should be waaaaayyyy out of bounds to attempt to smear a poster's RL ... especially family concerns. I do believe Edie apologized. At that point, it might have been a good idea to remind her to edit her post. I don't see that Sparkles has accepted the apology. what's said is said David Bowie Labyrinth [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "Gem..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 15:30:09 8/21/2001 ...I do believe that sparky, mr. sparks, and their guests have embarked on a cruise of Lake Michigan and will be gone for several days. The irony of it all is that sparky is probably totally unaware of what happened after she posted her "jab"! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "L-XIV" Posted by Gemini on 15:42:15 8/21/2001 Probably a good thing. I still think the post should be deleted, if it hasn't been already. There's nothing to be gained by causing pain. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Seeker" Posted by darby on 16:10:23 8/21/2001 63. "I'm still waiting " Posted by Seeker on 15:07:37 8/21/2001 for someone to direct me to a post where anyone here called anyone else a "satanist". I really doubt any exist or someone would have pointed it out, or given a link by now. Hey Seeker, you might be right--maybe that was just at CS, where "Sisters of Satan" was a popular label for a while. My mistake. But what about the accusations that a group of posters is in a coven or a cult? This has happened quite a number of times, right here on JW. Wouldn't you agree that this sort of thing shouldn't be said? THE PROBLEM IS THE SMEAR WAS AGAINST A NON-POSTER WHO OCCASSIONALLY READS HERE, NOT VP (cause she could give a fig less) JMO but I think people who are not registered posters should be OFF LIMITS (like your kids are) I suppose that technically, you could say the same about Holly, who reads but no longer posts here. By that argument, the recent "Coven" post was not appropriate. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Lesbians, Covens, and Satanists" Posted by Cassandra on 16:30:16 8/21/2001 Oh my! Everybody go to separate corners and come out apologizing! Someone said at another forum that this has become the forum of discord. Shall we continue to prove it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "Darby" Posted by Seeker on 16:27:14 8/21/2001 No, not the same, Holly is still a registered poster, she's not reading over someone's shoulder to see a cute joke or whatnot. VP's roommie is NOT even registered here. The other, yeah there was something like that, but I don't really remember seeing it put like that. I knew I didn't see that posted anywhere here! HA! What's posted at another forum is moot and really shouldn't affect this forum or what's discussed here. That's one of candy's tactics, policing the forums and dragging chit back so she can try to start a forum war. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Where in the rules" Posted by Morgan on 16:42:01 8/21/2001 does it say that you can't describe a non-poster as a homosexual? I ask politely: v_p, please apologise for calling me Morgon and Mor(g)on. Then you can start whining about the lesbian crack. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "(c) Morgan" Posted by JR on 17:42:43 8/21/2001 I have to check the spelling on your name frequently because it can be spelled both ways. I try to get it right but undestand if I blow it, it's not intentional. Re: the remark VS the rules. The rules do cover posters and the remark was aimed at both VP and her roommate and is so far from the truth as to be almost funny had it not been so hurtful. IMHO, anything that happened prior to Aug. 6, is in the past. We have a new Moderator who has clearly established the rules. I suggest we all take them to heart especially after last night's problems. Other wise, we may find ourselves with out JW to visit and that would be very sad. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "peace" Posted by darby on 18:05:41 8/21/2001 1) The post I found that was offensive was posted on 8/14/2001, well after August 6. 2) Seeker--ixnay on the atansay at JW. My bad for bringing up CS. 3) I love Edie Pratt, but I think she went too far in a couple of the things she said. However, I think this was very much out of character for Edie, and she did apologize. 4) This in no way excuses what was said on 8/14/2001--It was at least equally as offensive, plus I haven't seen an apology. I brought it up an example that many of us have been victims of offensive posts. 5) I will not demand that DunV remove that post. As Gemini said above, what's said is said. In fact, I'd rather see it left up so that everyone can see someone for who she is. 6) I have noticed some efforts to be fair here lately, from a few people. These do not go unappreciated by me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "Dun" Posted by Twitch on 19:05:27 8/21/2001 I would like to apologize for losing my temper last evening. I still believe in what I said but I certainly could have said it in a more sensitive way considering how vulnerable you, and I guess all of us were. You have my utmost respect and I wish I could have raised and nurtured you and I am so lucky to have my dear precious child to love. Although I am not nearly old enough to be your mom,(haha) I would be proud to call you my own. I guess you've noticed that I get really upset when my friends and/or family are attacked in any fashion and I do consider myself very lucky to call Sparky my friend. I just ached for her reading that post and I lost my temper. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "Maybe..." Posted by RiverRat on 19:02:24 8/21/2001 If one group had acted more like a flock of angels, the other side would have had cuter nicknames for them. While we are at it, Hero Henchmen does have a better ring to it for us than the one Mame chose. But who is whining? Name calling, multiple hats, banning and apologizes. Familar words from when I left this place. I said then, to lookout, no one was sacred from the becoming the next head on the block. Now look around this place, is there even ONE poster left from this formerly unified community that hasn't been tossed into the fire or flat out taken in by a "friend". Speak up now please as I would hate to overlook you. I look around and see nothing but pain here now - on both sides. Two side that HONESTLY do not stand a chance of successful merging. Two intelligent sides that should be able to walk away from each other for the best interest of all involved. So why not? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "For crying out loud" Posted by janphi on 19:17:53 8/21/2001 v_p, one of the meanest posters on this forum--and that is NOT a compliment--called EdieP "girlfriend" first. She meant it derogatorily. All EdieP responded with was that she wasn't v_p's "girlfriend" and that v_p had a roommate for that. Where in that is any reference to sexuality? Nowhere. A bunch of people who only come here to argue and who never post case-related anything, decided to make it into something. Obviously, they are people who have no girl friends. What a bunch of hypocrites. JR, who is copyrighting everyone's hats so that she can sue them when they use them, gets all huffy about everything and again starts making her own rules that everyone is supposed to abide by, except herself. She called me mentally ill (Twitch started it long ago and v_p continued it and continued it and continued it) and a liar, but then got all bent out of shape when I couldn't take it any longer and called her a creep. I still think she is and nothing will change that--not even the 28-35% of all JW posts she posts. Telling everyone else how to post and when to post and where to post and what to post and what not to post, and then finding it beyond her control to not reply to every third or fourth post on this forum may endear JR to many others, but certainly not to me. BTW, while on that subject--EdieP, you may have missed noting the biggest sin that is being thrown in your face. JR feels it's OK to badmouth you because--are you ready for this? YOU DON'T CHECK IN EVERY DAY! She's making a list, checking it twice, gonna decide who's naughty and nice--JR is playing mod again. Guess you're fair game if you don't tell everyone your life story on a daily basis, so they can throw it back in your face someday. As far as this sparky person--isn't that the chicken lady? She may be "beloved" by sooooo many people here (I'm sure it's not in a sexual way, right?), but guess what. In the 16 months I've been reading here, it took me 6 months to figure out who that was. You see, I only read the case threads--you know, about JonBenet--the reason I came here--and I had never seen her post anything. But as a newbie, I was constantly told that this hat would ban me if I said anything wrong. To find out why every thread degenerated into chicken talk, I had to go read a few daily threads. She is a person who seemingly always talks about chickens and banning people and who daily reminds JW that talking about MW (Nancy) is something that all people must be ridiculed for. Yes, those are mighty high standards to live up to. And v_p, if I were you, I wouldn't be calling anyone a moron or mentally ill and needing medications, when your roommate is posting your private letters to Steve Thomas on other fora. I just wonder if he actually reimbursed you for printing up "200 million" flyers to illegally insert into his books at bookstores in a metro area whose population is only 3.5 million. Sure, just wipe the slate clean from August 6th onward. I'm sorry, but I do not understand why it makes a difference whether Dun or Chris is moderating. Nasty, vicious people are still nasty, vicious people. I don't forget the horrid things said to me and about me--for NO REASON AT ALL. Nor would I ever trust those kinds of people to keep their word even if they did apologize, which they have indicated here today that they will NEVER do, and if they said it wouldn't happen again. They are only here to flame and fight. I'm not. I'm here to find answers to my questions and justice for a murder. And I believe the original question was whether Daphne White was also in pageants, as JBR was. That has been stated as fact on jams board for the whole time I've been reading JBR discussions, yet when I asked about it twice here I was either ignored or told I was "confused." I take it no one is going to answer it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "Hi Janphi" Posted by starry on 19:26:02 8/21/2001 I'm glad to see you back. I know you don't want to correspond with me, or anyone you don't know, but I do admire you and your fight for Justice. Just wanted you to know that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "Janphi" Posted by Morgan on 19:35:34 8/21/2001 Thank you for getting back to case. The Ramsey's have been raked over the coals for putting JB in pageants. You better call FW a saint here at JW. Now mee too wondered if Daphne was in pageants? Who knows if this is true? How could her saintly parents have done that? It can't be true. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "It's not true" Posted by RiverRat on 19:47:07 8/21/2001 but don't let that stop you now. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 84. "I'm sure RiverRat" Posted by Pennant on 20:21:14 8/21/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:21:14, 8/21/2001 Is correct. It seems to me that this attempt to insert Daphne White into the discussion is just to get even with those of us who think that what this forum has done to Fleet White is unfair and unconscionable. It is quite transparent to me. Perhaps those who are doing it should try something else. This isn't working. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "Lurker's post#56" Posted by Morgan on 19:53:03 8/21/2001 is in violation of House Rules: House Rule No. 8: Lawsuits belong in the courthouse, not here Any poster who wishes to bring suit or consider bringing suit against a poster on this or related forums will be asked to discontinue his or her membership in this forum. Threats of lawsuits will be presumed to be serious and posters who make them will lose posting privileges. Nothing is more deadly to a free exchange of ideas than constant threats of legal action. By the same token, posters need to remember that they are responsible for what they say and do here, and that their liability is the same here as anywhere. This rule is not an attempt to limit or question anyone's right to sue. We simply ask that discussion of lawsuits take place elsewhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "Morgan's post #81" Posted by RiverRat on 19:59:00 8/21/2001 is in violation of House Rules: House Rule No. 8: Lawsuits belong in the courthouse, not here. Any poster who wishes to bring suit or consider bringing suit against a poster on this or related forums will be asked to discontinue his or her membership in this forum. Threats of lawsuits will be presumed to be serious and posters who make them will lose posting privileges. Nothing is more deadly to a free exchange of ideas than constant threats of legal action. By the same token, posters need to remember that they are responsible for what they say and do here, and that their liability is the same here as anywhere. This rule is not an attempt to limit or question anyone's right to sue. We simply ask that discussion of lawsuits take place elsewhere. Next? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 83. "What?" Posted by momo on 20:06:19 8/21/2001 Stating a house rule is against the rules? LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 85. "No..." Posted by RiverRat on 20:23:20 8/21/2001 This is: "We simply ask that discussion of lawsuits take place elsewhere." Just thought that I would play along with the silly game. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE