OPEN DISCUSSION FOLDER (Read-Only Folder) - NO ISP Tracking Counters ALLOWED From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 12:46 am To: ALL (1 of 125) 1711.1 next There will be NO ISP tracking counters allowed as part of any members signature or within the body of any posting on this forum. I have tested these counters in the last couple days and they are most certainly tracking ISPs of the members of this forum. Any and all tracking counters are officially banned from this forum as of this date August 26, 2000 12:42am EST. Anybody caught using them will be banned from this forum. I am in the process of editing any and all messages that may currently have the tracking counter on them. All my postings are based on my own personal opinion ACandyRose Web Site A Personal View on Internet Forum History http://members.aol.com/acandyrose/index.html Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 9:12 am To: ACANDYROSE (2 of 125) 1711.2 in reply to 1711.1 prev next Look, I had a VALID reason for having that counter. Someone is stalking me, sending out emails to people, asking where I live and where I work....I think I had every right to do my best to ferret out the culprit. It's not like I've had that counter on there since day one, it's been less than a week and I found out what I needed to know. Sorry if I offended any of you.... Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: gliving (5JOE5) Aug-26 1:13 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (3 of 125) 1711.3 in reply to 1711.2 prev next I am offended! Why did you think it was okay to PRIVATELY trace every poster here? In fact, I'm more that offended: I'm outraged! Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit Subscribe to Entrepreneur and receive 2 MONTHS FREE! ...Click Here! From: SEAJAYE1 Aug-26 1:33 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (4 of 125) 1711.4 in reply to 1711.2 prev next Ummm...you are *just as much of a stalker* if that is what you've been doing. That sucks, imo. I do not apppreciate being traced...nobody's freakin' business where I live unless I choose to share, which I HAVE shared, in several forums. I thought you *knew* who was stalking you, so why trace all of us? This is going too far...What next? Cj Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 1:45 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (5 of 125) 1711.5 in reply to 1711.2 prev next Sorry but no you do not have a right to come to this forum and track the members. Absolutely NOT under no conditions. PERIOD. That is bull$shit Melissa !! I have over a 1000 members here on this forum and they deserve some respect to know that their ISP's are not being tracked from this forum. I understand your personal concern about somebody tracking you and maybe trying to find out where you live etc., and if that was the case then you should have stayed off this forum period so they would not have tracked you here instead of trying to track them from this forum. You are well known on the forums under your present hat and it would not have been hard for somebody to track you to another forum and continue to track you from there. When posters first contacted me about your counter they thought you were just doing it for your web page. I duplicated exactly what you were doing and that counter was not for your web page but to track EACH AND EVERY poster who commented to any of your postings period. Everytime a poster clicked onto your posting with that counter they were tracked. The log I received from my testing proved it because when I duplicated my test that is exactly what it showed for me. Explain to me why you are any different than what you are accusing Murphy of doing on tracking people? What you do is your own business but don't use my forum as your mode of operation please. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-26 1:54 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (6 of 125) 1711.6 in reply to 1711.2 prev next I am offended also. We are supposed to feel secure that people don't know anything about us when we post here. You have ISP's for every poster here now and can find out a lot of information about them. I consider that very unethical and underhanded. Did you get the Moderator's permission before you did that? After all, it is HER forum. What you basically did is steal every posters ISP and other information from all the posters of Candy Rose while we were her guests. I consider that theft. You have dumped on Candy Rose and you have dumped on her posters. I consider that very tacky and very bad manners. In real life, would you go to a party in someone's home and steal from the other guests? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 2:06 pm To: ACANDYROSE (7 of 125) 1711.7 in reply to 1711.5 prev next EXCUSE ME? Murphy is keeping people's PRIVATE EMAILS, REAL NAMES, and REAL PASSWORDS ON LINE!!! That is a LOT different, BJ and you know it is! Did you get an email from BB666 asking about me, BJ? Others did and they told me. I guess you didn't care one whit about someone stalking me, but God forbid I should try and find out who it is. There is huge difference between what Murphy does and my stupid Xoom counter. Murphy knows real names, real locations, real passwords and she is keeping them in publically accessible areas. HELLOOOOO???? All I know is where someone is in the United States, and that is not posted on a public webpage, that's for sure. Hey, if you're not stalking me, then what is the big deal? Talk about misdirected anger. Where is the outrage from all the WS posters? Want me to start posting the private emails that I found? Well, you'll have a long wait, because I wouldn't do that. I'm going to post the ones I sent to Murphy that were found by the Cheryls, because I own them. Murphy was keeping thme online and I don't get why no one is outraged about THAT. (sorry Wilton) I'm not the only person this happened to, either. Don't any of you want to know who else was being "documented"? Don't any of you care that more than a few people have your passwords? No, you are mad at me for trying to protect myself. Knowledge is power, and that is BS, BJ, for you to accuse me of being anything like Murphy. All that Xoom counter does is tell a person's IP #. I wanted to know who Billy Blackwell was and I know. Or at least I know where BB is....which helps. I don't know any of your names, except for the people on Murphy's webpages, and I really don't care. Do you want to talk about what you are REALLY mad about, BJ? Or shall we just let it rest now? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 2:13 pm To: Webcat (WEBCAT55) (8 of 125) 1711.8 in reply to 1711.6 prev next Really Webcat? So, I guess you could say even worse about Murphy. Your name and password is on a webpage. Why aren't you mad about that? A xoom counter doesn't get your name or your password it only gives your IP#. But, you are more pissed about me knowing what part of the country you are in than you are about Murphy keeping all your personal information on line. Ok, I get it, you are stupid. One more thing, BJ. You know I am not the kind of person that is going to run and hide from anyone or anything. For you to say that I should have stayed off this forum is ridiculous. Running and hiding and being fearful is exactly what gives the stalker power. I won't be manipulated. I won't run and I won't hide. You can be outraged all you like. Frankly, I'm outraged that someone was stalking me and no one on this forum, save a few posters, even cared. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 2:21 pm To: ACANDYROSE (9 of 125) 1711.9 in reply to 1711.5 prev next Excuse me while I help Melissa extract that knife from her back, BJ! WTF?? I also see you've posted an open invitation to cuss and discuss Chris because she just happens to fall under your little "subculture heading". I was warned long ago not to trust you by a very dear friend but I ignored him. Too bad for me. Is this how you treat your friends? You wouldn't even have a web site if not for people like Chris and Melissa and many others who ORIGINALLY DOCUMENTED the ongoings of this subculture. Remember, you came late in the game or have you forgotten that? Go ahead and attack me, too, because I just lost a whole lot of respect for you today. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 2:28 pm To: ACANDYROSE (10 of 125) 1711.10 in reply to 1711.9 prev next And another thing, don't even act like you are above tracking some IP's. You seem to forget that some of us know you a little better than others. I have documented a few things myself. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-26 2:31 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (11 of 125) 1711.11 in reply to 1711.8 prev next I am sure that since you are a long term poster here, all you would have had to do was explain the situation to Candy Rose and ask her to put a counter up on one of HER OWN posts and then give you the Blackwell information when she got it. Blackwell posted on numerous threads, so it was a sure bet that he/she read everybody's posts-not just yours. I'm sure Candy Rose cares about and watches over her guests here. Since you have posted so long here, I can't understand why you didn't just let Candy Rose handle it for you. After all, it is HER forum. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 2:36 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (12 of 125) 1711.12 in reply to 1711.7 prev next Don't play games with me Melissa. You don't even want to get me started on what I am REALLY PISSED ABOUT melissa !! Don't even go there pal because I guarantee you that I am not the only one who had documented the life on the forums. There are others waiting in the balcony sharping their claws. You want to play games with me then you better be ready for the bullshit because I will put everything I know out here on this public forum so you better think about what you are thinking. You want to start a war then you came to the right place because I have not yet begun to expose documentation on everything I know. If you have the right to come to this forum and track a member then everybody has that right including Murphy. That is my comparison with Murphy and not to be misconstruded with anything else I said. Everybody does have a right to their privacy on this forum or any forum they go to. And yes I am just as concerned if Murphy is posting her member names and passwords on the net and if somebody has found that link. I am a member of her forum too. But what the hell does that have to do with you coming to this forum and tracking members? No, I never got an email from Blackwell asking about you but I am aware of it. Maybe you were only tracking Blackwell but in the process you were also tracking EVERY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM period. I don't know who the Cheryl posters are or what their beef is currently with Murphy and that is their business but at least they had the decency to create their own forum to do what they want to do. If you want to target Murphy or this Blackwell poster then I suggest you create your own forum and do whatever you feel you need to do. I have no beef with Murphy and there is no reason whatsoever for her to be trying to cause me grief so NO, I do not believe that Murphy is the one outting my forums. Do you understand that? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 2:41 pm To: Webcat (WEBCAT55) (13 of 125) 1711.13 in reply to 1711.11 prev next Oh, I get it. It's okay for BJ to track IP's but not Melissa. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 2:45 pm To: ACANDYROSE (14 of 125) 1711.14 in reply to 1711.13 prev next Well, that sounds like a challenge to me. I just hope your own closets are clean. I happen to know that they are not. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 2:49 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (15 of 125) 1711.15 in reply to 1711.10 prev next "And another thing, don't even act like you are above tracking some IP's. You seem to forget that some of us know you a little better than others. I have documented a few things myself." You are absolutly right, nobody is above tracking ISPs. Everybody has been doing it for years. Just take a trip to IRC and you know what I mean. I am not condeming Melissa for keeping her ISP log. What I am saying is that she has no right to come to this forum and track the members. Would she go to Justice Watch and track members without Chris knowing about it? Lori, you don't trust me, that is fine with me. It just goes to show that you have been two faced for a long time then because I trusted you. And about my subculture site... Everything was fine wasn't it while I was only documenting things you guys wanted documented and the minute I include something somebody doesn't want then my site is cancelled with a TOS. Well I don't kiss anybodies a$$ and that includes yours. I didn't INVITE anybody to this forum to trash Chris. I did, however post to others that they were welcome to come here and voice their comments, feelings or whatever. Chris is a member here at this forum too and she has every right to comment if she so desires to anybody who has made comments toward her. Yes, this is the Subculture Forum and yes, members are allowed to come here and voice their opinions. Before you get too involved with your defense team maybe you should go back to Chris and ask her just how many times I have deleted postings and threads on this forum to protect her image? You are barking up the wrong tree. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-26 2:50 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (16 of 125) 1711.16 in reply to 1711.8 prev next "So, I guess you could say even worse about Murphy. Your name and password is on a webpage. Why aren't you mad about that?" Maybe I am mad about that, but that is not the issue here at all. The issue is what you have done here in this forum. The Murphy thing is for another time and another place. You remind me of the little kid who got caught stealing candy. The kid tries to make himself look better by saying he knows someone else who stole more candy. You are in the wrong, and you are tying to throw up a smokescreen by saying Murphy has done more wrong than you. For this discussion, it does not matter what Murphy has done. That will be dealt with in time. What you have done is what matters right now on this thread. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit FREE Fax, Voice & Email Anywhere You Are...Click Here! From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 2:55 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (17 of 125) 1711.17 in reply to 1711.13 prev next "Oh, I get it. It's okay for BJ to track IP's but not Melissa." I was not tracking ISP from this forum or any forum that I own. Yes, I do and did and still do track ISP from IRC and I have a data base of e-mail address. So what? You do too and so does Melissa and so does Chris and we all know Murphy does too. Don't play dumb. What does all of that have to do with Melissa coming to this forum and tracking other members here on this forum? And yes I care if somebody is tracking or harassing members including Melissa or any member but that doesn't give them the right to take matters into their own hands and track members. If somebody told Melissa that somebody was tracking her then they probably have the e-mail with the trailer record that could be traced. There were a lot of options Melissa could have went other than putting a tracing counter here on this forum. She wasn't concerned about protecting my forum. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-26 2:56 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (18 of 125) 1711.18 in reply to 1711.13 prev next BJ has a right to track posters on her own forum. After all, she is responsible for this forum, and the buck stops with her so to speak, about what goes on here. I think any moderator has a right to track posters on their own forum, but not on a forum that is run by somebody else. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 2:59 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (19 of 125) 1711.19 in reply to 1711.14 prev next "Well, that sounds like a challenge to me. I just hope your own closets are clean. I happen to know that they are not." It is not a matter of whose closest are clean. It is a matter of who you want to throw under the bus along with others. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 3:55 pm To: ACANDYROSE (20 of 125) 1711.20 in reply to 1711.19 prev next Thanks for clearing that up for me, BJ. It's perfectly okay to track IP's behind the scenes but not out here in public for all the world to see. I'll remember that in the future. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 4:03 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (21 of 125) 1711.21 in reply to 1711.20 prev next Lori, you took the words right out of my mouth. THE COUNTER WAS IN PLAIN SIGHT OF EVERY POSTER HERE FOR DAYS. I even outted Murphy and her new hat right here on this very forum and I told her how I did it. Why, after days and days, is it suddenly unacceptable to have a counter? BJ, you knew what it was. Why didn't you say anything when I first put it up? It wasn't like I was HIDING anything. Murphy et al, they do their stuff behind your backs. Webcat, I knew you were just another MM. You know what that is, don't you? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: BAILEY38 Aug-26 4:15 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (22 of 125) 1711.22 in reply to 1711.21 prev next I have to disagree...there's only one Masked Man(MM...thank God) Personally, I've nothing to hide...I am who I say I am, and like it or not can't change it.(*s*) This attack on BJ is uncalled for and holds no water..period. There is no reason to track everyone of the forum, you knew who the stalker was, therefore, the sleuth that you are could have nailed him or her easily. I've always admired the lengths you went to for justice of children, and I support it, but attacking BJ is another thing, that goes for you also Lori. There are forum wars and regretfully there will always be I guess....and all in the name of a murdered child makes me sick. What have we all become??? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: HARPHILL Aug-26 4:23 pm To: ACANDYROSE (23 of 125) 1711.23 in reply to 1711.1 prev next You have a confession of wrong doing. When does the beheading take place? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-26 4:47 pm To: HARPHILL (24 of 125) 1711.24 in reply to 1711.23 prev next If you had followed Crazy Rita's Forum you would know that disbanned is the proper term to use. Or is it dismembertized? LOL Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: KATTNIPP Aug-26 4:48 pm To: BAILEY38 (25 of 125) 1711.25 in reply to 1711.22 prev next Can I vote with Bailey on all this mess? Melissa, sometimes even when you think you're right the best thing to do is just appologize and let it go. I haven't got a clue about counters or how to use one. I do know you can track people by their isp's but I don't have a clue how to do that either, and I don't want to know. I'm p***ed that my name and password may have been posted online somewhere and now I find out you are tracking ISP's. You'd better believe I'm not happy about any of it. In fact I wonder why some of us are so paranoid? BJ has the last say in all this, it is her forum. It would be a sorry day for all of us to see this escalate into anything else. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 5:04 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (26 of 125) 1711.26 in reply to 1711.20 prev next "Thanks for clearing that up for me, BJ. It's perfectly okay to track IP's behind the scenes but not out here in public for all the world to see. I'll remember that in the future. " Lori, I honestly don't even feel it is necessary to address your comments. I have never had a problem with you before, why all of a sudden the attitude? If you want to believe what Melissa is doing is right by coming to somebody else's forum and track their members then that is your right to believe that. You don't trust me then fine, don't come here. If you didn't trust me all along for years then why were you pretending to be my friend? Is that called "using somebody?" This forum is for the subculture surrounding the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation. If you are not part of that subculture then what are you doing here? If the other members are not part of that subculture then what are they doing here? There are other members of this forum who have concerns about this tracking and they have a right to those concerns. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: BAILEY38 Aug-26 5:11 pm To: KATTNIPP (27 of 125) 1711.27 in reply to 1711.25 prev next Yes you may..*L*..and one more thing to everyone, we've all been here and there awhile, yet it never ceases to amaze me the bullshit that arises and floats...could that mean it's hollow? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ELBERG Aug-26 5:16 pm To: ALL (28 of 125) 1711.28 in reply to 1711.23 prev next An interesting peek at the under belly of the subculture. Curious that this wasn't handled by email rather than being made into an expose. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: BAILEY38 Aug-26 5:19 pm To: ELBERG (29 of 125) 1711.29 in reply to 1711.28 prev next Good point....are you saying maybe a display? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) Aug-26 5:23 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (30 of 125) 1711.30 in reply to 1711.20 prev next LoriAnn, I can't help but notice that the only time you show up here on this forum is when you're packin' rude-ass comments. Why is that? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: HARPHILL Aug-26 5:29 pm To: ELBERG (31 of 125) 1711.31 in reply to 1711.29 prev next Email rather than expose? Well for one I think push wasnt going to take anymore from shove, and since this is a public forum, Acandyrose just politely opened it up so we all could see what was going on. And I am so glad she did. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 5:43 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (32 of 125) 1711.32 in reply to 1711.21 prev next "THE COUNTER WAS IN PLAIN SIGHT OF EVERY POSTER HERE FOR DAYS. I even outted Murphy and her new hat right here on this very forum and I told her how I did it. Why, after days and days, is it suddenly unacceptable to have a counter? BJ, you knew what it was. Why didn't you say anything when I first put it up? It wasn't like I was HIDING anything. Murphy et al, they do their stuff behind your backs. " Melissa, I am not here 24/7 to see when you showed up with your counter but once it was brought to my attention then I wondered what you were doing with it and what was the purpose. So I attached the same identical counter to my signature only I made mine invisable to see what you were tracking. It took me a couple days to do that to get a good log and realizing that you were not only tracking ISPs to this forum but you were tracking ISP to each and every one of your postings where you parked that tracking banner. That log along with the vistor log here should have given you quite a bit of information. I even put up a different type of tracking counter to see what other ones would reveal. The bottom line is that they are tracking the ISP of the members of this forum or any other forum that I may have that you might have been a member of. Did you do that at the Justice Watch Forum within this last week also since that same Blackwell poster was proably tracking you over there too? And then lets get to Murphy. In the first place she is a member here too. She has done nothing that I know of that has caused anything to disrupt this forum. If and when she does I will handle that. But what gives you the right to track Murphy here on this forum anymore than it would be right for Murphy to track you on this forum? That was my point in bringing this up. How is Murphy wrong and you are right? I am not in control of what Murphy does on the Internet. Sure I want to know about it if she is posting my WebbSleuths hat name and password on the Internet and nobody is taking that away from you if that is the research you are doing. But you do not have a right to use a tracking counter here on this forum to track Murphy if that is what your doing or to anybody else for that matter. Melissa, nobody is taking away from you that you are a good sleuth and do some good research but I think if you had your own forum to document this it would be better. Then when Murphy and Blackwell or any other posters you want to track come to your forum to see what your documenting then you can track them there if that is what you want to do. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 5:50 pm To: ELBERG (33 of 125) 1711.33 in reply to 1711.28 prev next I did send a private e-mail to Melissa yesterday. She is the one who posted on this forum regarding my thread banning ISP trackers. She could have just as easily send me private e-mail back but she chose to discuss it on the open forum so that is how it is being addressed. Yes, there are a lot of very intersting things that go on behind the scenes of the subculture. Some of it would make your hair curl or go straight whichever the case may be. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: BAILEY38 Aug-26 6:08 pm To: ACANDYROSE (34 of 125) 1711.34 in reply to 1711.33 prev next And with good reason BJ...you tried to handle the situation(as it is your forum)...and that's well above standard for any forum. Protect the posters, if anyone sees harm in that, there must be a reason why. At least we don't have to pay $50.00 to give an opinion....jams must be laughing her ass off at this moment. Whores(even media ones) are paid for services rendered...(that excludes donations or gifts)...one pays for services expecting a return of some kind for their pleasure. IMO anyway. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Hobo (SNOOPSISTERX) Aug-26 6:24 pm To: ALL (35 of 125) 1711.35 in reply to 1711.34 prev next I'm sorry, but I don't understand the problem. If CR logs IP's and Mel logs IP's and Murphy logs IP's and Chris logs IP's and Bennett logs IP's how is one log different than the other? It seems to me that if you post on a forum your IP is going to be logged. Am I wrong? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Longhorn (LONGHORN3) Aug-26 6:36 pm To: Hobo (SNOOPSISTERX) (36 of 125) 1711.36 in reply to 1711.35 prev next I guess I'm with Ruthee in that I kind of assumed every web site has trackers after the go round with the PLA at BNF. Also, if the trackers can be made invisible, then it's pretty much a moot point, isn't it? My limited understanding is that they identify ISPs, but they don't identify email addresses and real names. I could very well be wrong, but I've always known if you go to IRC, your ISP is always on display as well. I enjoy all the web sites, but if you're on the net, you are exposed. I've made friends, and I've been burned. That's life. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ANTONIAN Aug-26 6:36 pm To: ALL (37 of 125) 1711.37 in reply to 1711.7 prev next I don't visit WS or JW or that ridiculous Cheryl forum so I don't know and honestly don't care about what happens in those forums. Melissa says she has evidence that Murphy is posting confidential information (names and passwords) on a web site. Perhaps she should contact whomever is hosting that site and let them handle it. As far as the Billy Blackwell "stalking" goes, if someone received an email from Blackwell, there should be tracking information on that email that the recipient can forward to Melissa. It would be easy enough for Melissa to in turn forward that email to whomever is hosting Blackwell's email service. The bottom line is that BJ has asked us not to use tracking counters on this forum. It's her forum and she has the right to make such a rule. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 6:54 pm To: Hobo (SNOOPSISTERX) (38 of 125) 1711.38 in reply to 1711.35 prev next Guess what? Anybody that has a graphic stored on another site can use a counter, WITHOUT IT SHOWING UP HERE. If you have a graphic in your tag line, how do I know you aren't also using a counter to track IPs? ALL Geocities pages now automatically give stats, referring URLs, browser types, etc. So, if you have your graphic on Geocities, you are logging. What about Xoom? Yep, get your free Xoom counter with every page. How many tag line graphics are stored at Xoom? What about Tripod? The list goes on.... And BJ, if I want to know something about JW, I'll ask Chris. I trust her enough to tell me if I need to know something or she can tell me it's none of my business. I rarely post at JW, anyway. >>>I did send a private e-mail to Melissa yesterday<<< Well, I didn't get it as of this morning, so you might want to resend. You are on AOL, right? You can request a receipt or check the status. It is interesting, BJ, I always thought you were fair and impartial. I was reading through old threads I had saved and some of them are threads that I had sent you for your site. The funny thing was, you weeded out certain posts. I always assumed you left the threads intact. I was suprised to find out otherwise. You also said something about people waiting in the background sharpening their claws. Would these be people that act like they are my friend to my face and then go to some secret forum and talk about me behind my back? Or would these be the scary kind of people, people who have decided that I am responsible for all the troubles on the internet...the kind that want to actually hurt me? What for? Because I showed somebody to be a liar? Because I looked up someone's credit report? Because I proved somebody was not who they claimed to be? You just keep right on sharpening those claws, and while you are at it, pat yourselves on the back for being a better person than I. Give yourselves kudos because you are so noble and fair. Congratulate yourselves on your ethics and your pure motives. Oh, and one more thing, when those claws get sharp enough to really do some damage to me, be careful not to scratch yourselves, you wouldn't want to ruin your pristine exteriors. I'm the one you want to hurt, right? I'm the one that is the target of those razor-sharp claws. You want to what, destroy me? It must be because you are all so good and wonderful and honest and decent people, right? Yah, right. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 6:54 pm To: Hobo (SNOOPSISTERX) (39 of 125) 1711.39 in reply to 1711.35 prev next First the difference on who is doing the logging is who owns the forums Ruthee. Delphi automaticlly logs the members and each "forum owner" has access to a variation of those logs. But the members of the forum DO NOT have access to those logs, just a forum owner and the moderators. I don't log the members, Delphi does. The members of this forum do not have a right to log the other members while they are here on this forum anymore than I have a right to log the members at Justice Watch or Webbsleoths Forum. How would they be different? Well in your case your ISP is unique. I don't think I have ever run across another one on the net as yet. So if you register at JW under that ISP under "Ruthee" and then register at my ACR forum with the same ISP under the anonymous hat of "SallySimple" then the odds are pretty good that you might be one in the same. If somebody was tracking and keeping a log on you they might want to record that information for future reference. Ruthee, not everybody is as honest as you using one hat name and one ISP. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Hobo (SNOOPSISTERX) Aug-26 6:54 pm To: ANTONIAN (40 of 125) 1711.40 in reply to 1711.37 prev next Well, I don't have a tracking counter here, or on any of my webpages or anywhere. I'm not interested. There's a place on my webpages that asks if I want to log "cookies", and I said no. I don't have anything to hide, and I understand that's not the point. The point for me is that they seem to be all over and used by many people, so I just expect that when I go somewhere on the web it's logged. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 7:01 pm To: ACANDYROSE (41 of 125) 1711.41 in reply to 1711.40 prev next >>>>"So I attached the same identical counter to my signature only I made mine invisable to see what you were tracking." <<<< Exactly. Mine was out in the open, wasn't it? Yours was invisible. Do other people here have invisible counters? How would anyone know? Think about it. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 7:04 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (42 of 125) 1711.42 in reply to 1711.38 prev next "ALL Geocities pages now automatically give stats, referring URLs, browser types, etc. So, if you have your graphic on Geocities, you are logging. What about Xoom? Yep, get your free Xoom counter with every page. How many tag line graphics are stored at Xoom? What about Tripod? The list goes on.... " Yes, you're absolutely right that all these have tracking counters on them. I have XOOM tracking counters on all my web pages. The point is Melissa that these are used by the OWNER that web site. The point is that this is my forum and I don't want the members here to be tracking the other members here. Why is that so hard to understand? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 7:12 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (43 of 125) 1711.43 in reply to 1711.38 prev next "And BJ, if I want to know something about JW, I'll ask Chris. I trust her enough to tell me if I need to know something or she can tell me it's none of my business. I rarely post at JW, anyway. " I think that pretty much answers my question as to how you feel about me considering you have been USING my forum for your MO. How come you are not posting all of this information you are doing research on over at Justice Watch about Murphy and Blackwell? I read in one Chris's posting over there not that long ago that she suggest that her members not come here to ACandyRose's "gossip" forum to post so if you TRUST her so much then why don't you follow her advice and post this stuff over there for open discussion? Why would you come here to this forum and not trust me enough to tell me about this person who is tracking you or ask if there is anything I can do to find out who this person is? Yet you have no problem posting your stuff over here on my forum. Does somebody want Murphy to think I am behind all of this "research" and then to attack me? Well let it be known that I do not at the present time have any problems with Murphy, we are not on the outs, she is not calling me names and I am not calling her names. I have no reason to think she would be out to get me unless somebody else is planting that reason. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 7:15 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (44 of 125) 1711.44 in reply to 1711.38 prev next "Well, I didn't get it as of this morning, so you might want to resend. You are on AOL, right? You can request a receipt or check the status. " Maybe you need to see who is receiving your mail on AOL. Here is the log below. I sent it to you and a backup copy to my forum moderator. Did you want me to show your AOL screen name here too? XXXXX 08/26/2000 8:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time Madtodlr 08/26/2000 1:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time Sent: 08/26/2000 12:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 7:25 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (45 of 125) 1711.45 in reply to 1711.38 prev next "It is interesting, BJ, I always thought you were fair and impartial. I was reading through old threads I had saved and some of them are threads that I had sent you for your site. The funny thing was, you weeded out certain posts. I always assumed you left the threads intact. I was suprised to find out otherwise. " Melissa, don't even go there. If you did sent me threads and if I selected postings say for my "memorable moments" site or wherever then those are the ones I selected. I wasn't aware that I had to put on my web site exactly what you sent to me. I am not even sure what you are referencing. I wasn't aware that you requested something specific to be put on the subculture web site. Maybe you could send it again so I can review it. No, in the beginning on my subculture web site the threads were left intact and if you go to my subculture web site you can clearly see that. My preference has always been to have the full threads so I don't take something out of context and later within this last year I had asked Chris, for example if I could use some of the old threads from JW completely intact and she said okay as long as I uploaded them separate and didn't link them to her server which I have done. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) Aug-26 7:29 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (46 of 125) 1711.46 in reply to 1711.41 prev next >>>>Anybody that has a graphic stored on another site can use a counter, WITHOUT IT SHOWING UP HERE. If you have a graphic in your tag line, how do I know you aren't also using a counter to track IPs?<<<< By viewing the source code. You're whipping yourself up into a frenzy over this,( as evidenced by your sharpening of claws post) when, as someone else mentioned, a simple, "oops, sorry" would have been more than sufficient. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 7:31 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (47 of 125) 1711.47 in reply to 1711.39 prev next "You also said something about people waiting in the background sharpening their claws. Would these be people that act like they are my friend to my face and then go to some secret forum and talk about me behind my back?" Melissa, I was not speaking about YOU but in general on information that some people would like to post about other posters and/or forum owners. If you don't know who your enemies are then you are in an ackward situation. I don't know about people talking about you on secret forums. I do know about people who have talked about me on secret forums. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 7:33 pm To: ACANDYROSE (48 of 125) 1711.48 in reply to 1711.44 prev next For the record, Chris no longer posts at this forum since you outed her hat. How's that for trust? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 7:35 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (49 of 125) 1711.49 in reply to 1711.41 prev next You don't get it do you Melissa. I only had the invisable counter on for a couple days to track YOU to see what YOU were doing. I was not about to advertise what I was doing like you were. I don't use a tracker counter as a rule. I only used it for two days. But if I had wanted to do it I am the forum owner and I am allowed. You are a member and not allowed. What part of that don't you understand? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) Aug-26 7:39 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (50 of 125) 1711.50 in reply to 1711.48 prev next Can't she make a new one by dinner, or should I set once less place at the table? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ANTONIAN Aug-26 7:49 pm To: ALL (51 of 125) 1711.51 in reply to 1711.48 prev next Chris really doesn't need to post here either, since several of her friends are happy enough to pass the information along to her. Besides, this is a public forum and she's free to create another hat and continue posting under that new hat. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 7:52 pm To: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) (52 of 125) 1711.52 in reply to 1711.50 prev next I don't know why you keep addressing my "rude ass", but anyway, that is just not the point. You can't lecture someone about trust when you have been proven untrustworthy. I'm not the one trying to pull off an Academy Award performance here. That would be your fair, accurate, and honest moderator. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 7:53 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (53 of 125) 1711.53 in reply to 1711.48 prev next "For the record, Chris no longer posts at this forum since you outed her hat. How's that for trust? " For the record, that hat was outted in error in a posting. I didn't mean to do that but it happened and it was too late. Chris was in the process that day if you recall of attacking another poster under that hat name. I think that was the same day you told me I would be sitting in some lonely IRC channel all by myself just like some other forum owner that didn't play the game. Remember? Since you seem to be speaking for Chris, she still comes to this forum under that same hat that was outted. You are not making your case very well. Remember I have control of the admin of this forum and I know what hat(s) Chris is registered under, not including other family members. Let me tell you something Lori. I have covered for Chris many many times over and deleted postings from this forum to save her embarrassment on some issues so don't come here and preach to me about TRUST. I don't know who is feeding you information but you don't know all the facts. There was even a time while I was going to be away from this forum for a while (before MadT was my moderator) and guess who I TRUSTED to give the admin controls to while I was away? You guessed it, Chris. So don't talk to me about who I trust and who I don't trust and wherher trust is important. At this point I do not trust you anymore. You have attacked me now for the second time and I have not done one thing to you. You pretended to be my friend and you were not my friend at all. Now how is that for TRUST. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: CLOSER2 Aug-26 7:58 pm To: ALL (54 of 125) 1711.54 in reply to 1711.53 prev next Chris was here very recently under the Altiods hat, which she made under her Bird of Paradise account, so it's no secret. And while I sympathize with Melissa (I have been tracked by Murphy, Jams, Chris, etc), we all know that we hold no secrets on the web. We all know about the old secret delphi forum that the queens had and how Chris, Baybb, Denver, Lori and others tried to let Auntie BJ take the fall when the queens were outed regarding the Peedy incident. We all know that Chris hacked jams' forum and for whatever reason, jams let it slide. Chris is no saint, but what she does on her forum is her business, and what BJ does is BJ's business. If you don't like a person's rule, don't post at their forum. Simple enough. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: BAILEY38 Aug-26 8:09 pm To: CLOSER2 (55 of 125) 1711.55 in reply to 1711.54 prev next /for whatever reason/ That says it all IMO. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: gliving (5JOE5) Aug-26 8:15 pm To: CLOSER2 (56 of 125) 1711.56 in reply to 1711.54 prev next Well really! As we say here at (melissa, fill in the isp) if you don't like my apples, don't shake my tree. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 8:21 pm To: ACANDYROSE (57 of 125) 1711.57 in reply to 1711.54 prev next BJ, this hat has been passed around a couple of times, so if you were attacked before, I missed it. I thought we were friends, but when I saw this thread today attacking Melissa for something that you have done and continue to do, it pissed me off. Then on another thread I see you encouraging others to discuss Chris on this forum, that really pissed me off. WTF? Is this how you treat friends? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 8:38 pm To: ALL (58 of 125) 1711.58 in reply to 1711.51 prev next First of all, I will do some research on that email...maybe I just don't remember or maybe someone else in this house read it. Secondly, I did say I was sorry if I offended anybody. It was YOU BJ, who went into attack mode, even after I apologized and explained to you why I had that counter up. Thirdly, I wasn't trying to hide anything. You've said that you have counters on all your pages and I'm guessing your tagline graphic is stored on one of those pages, so in reality, you have been tracking the posters here all along, right? Sure it's your forum, but why be so secretive about it? I think most people assume that Delphi has logs IP#s, not the moderator of any given forum. You didn't tell anyone about your counters until now. Did you tell any of us when we started coming here that you were logging our IP#s? Since you don't have to register to read here, you aren't given consent to know my IP#. What if someone wants to remain anonymous and read as a guest? Oh, well, sorry, not at ACR. Nope, even when you enter as a guest, your IP# is logged. Who gave you permission to do that? I didn't. I gave Chris my permission to have my IP# whenI registered at JW. Same for Cybersleuths. I don't recall registering with anyone but Delphi, here. I didn't give you permission to log my IP#. Now, do you see how ridiculous this is? I can make the same argument against you. I don't care if you are logging my IP, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't be jumping down my throat for doing the very same thing ~ well, almost, mine was in plain view. Technically, you don't own this forum, Delphi does, and there is a reason they don't provide moderators with IP logs. You don't have Delphi's permission to log my IP#, either. I apologized but you really want to make me the bad guy. (Gee, what's new?) I just can't let the hypocrisy go unchallenged. BJ, I don't trust Murphy one iota. You and she seem pretty tight, same goes for you and Texas, and everyone knows a what a chit-stirrer SHE is. Guess what BJ? I wouldn't trust anyone that is pals with Murphy. If you like or respect Murphy, then you a poor judge of character. You seem to forget, I've been on your mailing list ~ you've asked me to add to your collection of poster's names and email addresses, requests which I IGNORED. Don't act like you aren't compiling a dossier on every poster here. It sure seems like many of you have just been waiting to jump all over me but hey, I can take it. Just make sure you are angry at the right person. Like Murphy says, "Things aren't always what they SEEM." Michelle, I didn't make the claws comment, BJ did. The post was directed to me personally. I'm not sure I understand your post. ? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 8:43 pm To: ACANDYROSE (59 of 125) 1711.59 in reply to 1711.57 prev next >>>>You are not making your case very well. Remember I have control of the admin of this forum and I know what hat(s) Chris is registered under, not including other family members.<<<< I thought you stated earlier today that you weren't tracking people on this forum? Chris doesn't have to register with you, she registers with DELPHI, so how would you know who is who? G2, Chris did not hack Jammy's forum. This is a fact, I promise. "For whatever reason, Jammy let it slide". Do you think if Chris had hacked hir forum, hir would've "let it slide"? Noooooo, you know better than that. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: SEAJAYE1 Aug-26 8:46 pm To: ACANDYROSE (60 of 125) 1711.60 in reply to 1711.33 prev next "Yes, there are a lot of very intersting things that go on behind the scenes of the subculture. Some of it would make your hair curl or go straight whichever the case may be." Have you got anything that will place a few blond highlights strategically so that I can have that "natural sun-kissed look"? Sorry, had to ask. :-) Cj Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 8:53 pm To: CLOSER2 (61 of 125) 1711.61 in reply to 1711.54 prev next Chris did not hack Jameson's forum. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 9:16 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (62 of 125) 1711.62 in reply to 1711.57 prev next "but when I saw this thread today attacking Melissa for something that you have done and continue to do" I done and continue to do what? I asked Melissa to stop using a tracking counter on her signature for this forum and my private forum, you know, the RoseGarden, the one Melissa and YOU are members of? I don't hear any outrage from either of you that some bimbo on JW decided to out the forum. For all of this I get a kick in the teeth and basically asking me who the hell I think I am to even ask that of Melissa. And the other day there were posters who come here to talk about their problem with the MW postings being deleted on JW. I advertise this as the subculture forum so am I suppose to tell them to go away and not give their opinion on what they wanted to post? Is that not part of the subculture? I personally wanted to hear their story so I told them they were welcome, so what? No, I did not tell them to trash Chris but I did want to hear their story. Excuse me for that. Am I only suppose to allow postings that are in favor of certain forum owners while the members are allowed to trash other forum owners? Is Melissa allowed to trash Murphy and tell everybody she is a cover for porno sites while the JW posters are not allowed to come here and talk about their postings that were deleted? You know, I never had a problem with Chris. I didn't kiss her a$$ but we got along. We didn't meet in real life so we were not true buds but we were both forum owners so if nothing else we had that in common and a mutual respect, I thought, at least on my end. I am still trying to get past the bull$hit from last summer during the Peedy hacking incident. That was the one that broke the camels back on TRUST. I am sure you know exactly what I am talking about Lori. And speaking of that Peedy incident secret forum outting, Lori, have you seen that story documented yet? Thank God one of your own had a conscience enough to tell the truth. That it did exist and that YOU and them were members. But I gave that person my word that I wouldn't reveal their name. Since then that information was backed up by two additional sources. Those sources have also been made promises. So I can tell the story but I can't prove my sources without outting them. Listen, Chris came to this forum and was trashing another poster she didn't like. I would have NEVER been allowed to do that at Justice Watch. I guarantee you that BayBB would have had my butt in the WOR before i could sign my name. I had the postings Chris did removed and she obviously was not happy about it. Then she decided some old BNF posting were not favorable to her so she had my whole account cancelled where those threads were housed. Point blank Lori, I have covered her a$$ many many times here on this forum to delete the postings she wanted deleted. You guys talk about favorites and trust. I suppose after she had my whole account cancelled that I should still show her the same consideration. Do you think that is fair? And it all started when Chris came here to this forum, my forum and was trying to trash another poster just because she didn't like that poster. Well that poster is a member here and has just as much right to be here as anybody else. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 9:23 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (63 of 125) 1711.63 in reply to 1711.58 prev next "so in reality, you have been tracking the posters here all along, right?" No, I have not been tracking anybody. This is the Delphi network and the tracking counters are on their system. Don't try and put words in my mouth becuase I said I only put the XOOM counter on for two days to find out what you were doing. "Sure it's your forum, but why be so secretive about it? I think most people assume that Delphi has logs IP#s, not the moderator of any given forum. You didn't tell anyone about your counters until now. Did you tell any of us when we started coming here that you were logging our IP#s" This was not an option that Delphi ever offered for a long time and it is something new they just came up with recently. I heard you are a moderator at a forum here on Delphi, I would think you have that same options to check those new features out. If your going to be at the helm then you might as well learn how to sail the ship. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 9:25 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (64 of 125) 1711.64 in reply to 1711.58 prev next "You've said that you have counters on all your pages and I'm guessing your tagline graphic is stored on one of those pages" No, my tagline graphic is not connected to any counter or tracker. It is just a graphic period. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 9:28 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (65 of 125) 1711.65 in reply to 1711.58 prev next "What if someone wants to remain anonymous and read as a guest? Oh, well, sorry, not at ACR. Nope, even when you enter as a guest, your IP# is logged. Who gave you permission to do that? I didn't" We don't allow guests on this forum. That feature is block. That's is right, on the ACR either you register or you don't get in, period. I didn't give Delphi permission to log IP either. They own the network not me. I am sure you will want to take all of this information in should you decided to run your own forum here on Delphi. Who registered the secret forum last summer by the way. Maybe you could check with them on the admin features available on Delphi. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LisaCee (MRSSTVTHOMAS) Aug-26 9:29 pm To: ACANDYROSE (66 of 125) 1711.66 in reply to 1711.65 prev next The loop has been pretty quiet. Guess all the Cheryls are busy at "other forums" Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 9:36 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (67 of 125) 1711.67 in reply to 1711.59 prev next "I thought you stated earlier today that you weren't tracking people on this forum? Chris doesn't have to register with you, she registers with DELPHI, so how would you know who is who?" Melissa, I know you are not stupid when it comes to the Delphi forums so don't act that way. I don't track members. The Delphi system is what is, it is a network of forums. Yes, all members have to register with Delphi to even get into the network but the very minute any Delphi members comes to my forum they automaticlly become members and their hat and information is logged in my admin files. The next time you get the opportunity to get into the admin control of a Delphi forum be sure to check out all the neat little things that Delphi offers a forum owner. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 9:42 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (68 of 125) 1711.68 in reply to 1711.2 prev next "....I think I had every right to do my best to ferret out the culprit" Melissa, this is what started this thread into what it is. You have the right to do your best to find the culprit but No, you do not have the right to do that on this forum. Should I have allowed Blackwell to have a counter on his postings to track you and then what would you have said? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 9:47 pm To: ACANDYROSE (69 of 125) 1711.69 in reply to 1711.67 prev next I'm working on another reply to you at the moment, but I did want to jump in here and say, you sure know a tremendous amount about me, for someone who isn't logging her posters. And yes, LisaCee, I am so many different posters, you wouldn't believe it. I am Amanda, Vikki, Debradear, Eccacio, AFriend and Cheryl, Cheryl and Cheryl. I am Lori, I am Denver, I am G2 and Chris. I am the only person in the entire universe that has a grudge against Murphy. not. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 9:48 pm To: ACANDYROSE (70 of 125) 1711.70 in reply to 1711.68 prev next I would've said good luck to BB666. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-26 9:52 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (71 of 125) 1711.71 in reply to 1711.68 prev next Melissa, the concept is very simple. This is BJ's forum. She calls the shots here. She makes the rules here. She can do what she wants here since it is her forum. This is not your forum. You are a guest here. You cannot do anything you want here. If you want to come to this forum, you must abide by her rules. If you can't abide by her rules, you can start yet another forum where you can call the shots. It is all so very simple. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: _TWINKLE_ Aug-26 9:59 pm To: Webcat (WEBCAT55) (72 of 125) 1711.72 in reply to 1711.71 prev next Excellent post Webcat. I think you have summed it up. ACR I don't know what is going on here but I think that Melissa tracing isp's on your forum and using the excuse that she was fishing for BBlackwell's isp is just horrible. I know for a fact that she has BBlackwell's email header. What were you really after Melissa? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 10:04 pm To: LisaCee (MRSSTVTHOMAS) (73 of 125) 1711.73 in reply to 1711.66 prev next So much wrong, so little time... >>>I asked Melissa to stop using a tracking counter on her signature for this forum and my private forum, you know, the RoseGarden, the one Melissa and YOU are members of?<<< I am not a member of that forum, the last time I checked, I was locked out. That's right, given the ol' heave-ho. No reasons given, I was gone for months and I came back and I was locked out. I wasn't aware that forum was secret. >>>? Is Melissa allowed to trash Murphy and tell everybody she is a cover for porno sites while the JW posters are not allowed to come here and talk about their postings that were deleted? <<<< WHAT? Where have I ever said that? Yep, she has made some questionable posts about cruising the kiddie porn sites. Talk to Murphy, I didn't make those posts, she did. Boy, you sound like Murphy, screaming "porn" to divert attention from the real issue. She has people's passwords, real names and email addresses on publically accessible webpages. She has used people's hats and passwords without their knowledge to gain access to other forums. Is that so hard to understand? >>>the very minute any Delphi members comes to my forum they automaticlly become members and their hat and information is logged in my admin files. <<<< Huh? The only information I am aware of, that you are given is their hat name and the last part of their email address. That's it. If you get more than that, then it just goes to show you how uninterested I am in tracking anyone but BB666. As far as being moderator of another forum, BJ, are you talking about the Jammy245 forum? Is it a secret? I thought it was advertised right here on this very forum. From what I can tell, the only information to be had as moderator is the last part of the email address. The part that comes after the @. Even when you email someone as moderator, you still don't get the first part of the address. I found that out when I tried to email BB666. So, since you have all this information about your posters, you do know who this BBB666 person is? You are the one who said you had tracking counters on every one of your pages. I'm sorry if I misunderstood because I thought I'd seen the same graphic on every one of your pages, the one you use here...I guess you have that graphic stored on a different page that doesn't have a counter, so you can understand how I became confused, right? You said every single one of your pages.... Speaking of misunderstandings, it is so ridiculous for you to sit there and act so holier-than-thou about finding out who is who, when you are very, very, guilty of the same exact thing. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LisaCee (MRSSTVTHOMAS) Aug-26 10:08 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (74 of 125) 1711.74 in reply to 1711.73 prev next Why was this posted to me??? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 10:21 pm To: _TWINKLE_ (75 of 125) 1711.75 in reply to 1711.72 prev next Yes, I have the header, sure enough. It goes back to UU net Atlanta. I was looking for another IP# for the same person. Twinkle, you are very savvy about this, you know what I was looking for. I don't like to jump the gun on anything, I like to check, recheck and triple-check stuff. If I had a work IP# as well as the one on the header, then I could match it up with known variables. If I didn't get 2 different IP#s during the day, then I could assume that this person either works out of their home or is on leave or whatever. Then again, it could be the person wasn't anywhere near Atlanta. And did it ever occur to any of you that maybe I wanted to make sure this person wasn't getting nearer to my physical location? If BB666 had started coming in from an IP# near me, believe me, the stupid counter would be the last thing I would be worried about. This is all so stupid, I can't believe it. I wasn't trying to HIDE anything unlike SOME OTHER PEOPLE AT THIS VERY FORUM. Why are you ALL riding ME so hard? ~Webcat, can't you read? I explained my actions, APOLOGIZED and left it at that. I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to you, if you are too dumb to see the writing on the WS wall, you certainly aren't going to comprehend my point. You deserve whatever it is Murphy has in store for you. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 10:21 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (76 of 125) 1711.76 in reply to 1711.69 prev next "'m working on another reply to you at the moment, but I did want to jump in here and say, you sure know a tremendous amount about me, for someone who isn't logging her posters" Your wrong Melissa, Everything I know about you was what has been posted about you on the BNF and at WS and that you posted about yourself. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 10:23 pm To: LisaCee (MRSSTVTHOMAS) (77 of 125) 1711.77 in reply to 1711.74 prev next oops, sorry, I forgot to change it...You realize I was talking to BJ, right? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 10:25 pm To: ACANDYROSE (78 of 125) 1711.78 in reply to 1711.76 prev next Did I post that I was a moderator? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 10:30 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (79 of 125) 1711.79 in reply to 1711.78 prev next Actually I heard it directly from that forum owner that you were being considered. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: _TWINKLE_ Aug-26 10:31 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (80 of 125) 1711.80 in reply to 1711.75 prev next Sorry Melissa, that makes no sense to me whatsoever. How were you going to match up BBLackwell's isp when he hasn't even visited the forum since Aug-15? You didn't give a damn whose private information you obtained in your quest to track a hat that hasn't been here since Aug 15. How were you going to match any hat that Billy put on with an isp? You are feeding us chit and telling us it is ice cream and I am not eating any more of it. The reason we are riding you so hard is because it is YOU that invaded our privacy. Not Murphy and not BJ, YOU Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: _TWINKLE_ Aug-26 10:32 pm To: ACANDYROSE (81 of 125) 1711.81 in reply to 1711.79 prev next You are correct ACR. Melissa is a assistant moderator at Jamesons245. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 10:38 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (82 of 125) 1711.82 in reply to 1711.73 prev next "I am not a member of that forum, the last time I checked, I was locked out. That's right, given the ol' heave-ho. No reasons given, I was gone for months and I came back and I was locked out. I wasn't aware that forum was secret. " Well you are right that you are listed as inactive at that forum since April 3rd when you disappeared from the net and nobody knew where you were. That is a private forum and you were not the only member deactivated back then. But you were not given the ol' herave-ho as you put it. When you returned, had you contacted me I would have listed you as active again. Frankly I didn't even remember you were listed as inactive. I am surprised your friends Chris or Lori didn't speak up for you on that since Chris and Lori was there today also. The forum is not secret, it is just private. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 10:53 pm To: ACANDYROSE (83 of 125) 1711.83 in reply to 1711.82 prev next Is there anything else you would like to disclose about me, BJ? Confidentiality has no meaning to you. Why do you need a source when you play the mole role so well? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 10:59 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (84 of 125) 1711.84 in reply to 1711.73 prev next "Boy, you sound like Murphy, screaming "porn" to divert attention from the real issue" Bullcrap. The REAL ISSUE here is that you are arguing that you had a right to track a member on this forum. Maybe you were just targetting Blackwell and/or Murphy but in the process you tracked everybody who come to your message. Your logs you received did not just show Blackwell and Murphy they showed me and every other member here on this forum who read your message. Listen Melissa, I am not saying you delibertly set it up to track all the members here on this forum but you use the XOOM counters on your site so you know what kind of logs you get. And you also knew you would have to check the visitors list to match up times and dates of those ISP logged. Frankly it is and was a pain in the butt to do that . And yes, we all have our own little e-mail data bases we have collected. I did include you in a mailing one time on a list to verify and or add to and you never responded, for what reason I don't know. I am sorry I included you on my list at that time and never included you again after that. You didn't even have the consideration to say thank you. You know what they say, "people who work together stay together" but we didn't work together so we didn't stay together but even with that I have always left you alone Melissa. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-26 11:09 pm To: ACANDYROSE (85 of 125) 1711.85 in reply to 1711.84 prev next Please don't include me in anymore of your email spam either. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 11:21 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (86 of 125) 1711.86 in reply to 1711.83 prev next Lori, I have always backed you and you know it. There is NOTHING on my web site that ever was written to make you look bad. I was extremely sympathetic to you during the Matthews/lflowers incident and when somebody posted your child's pic on the BNF. I was also supportive via Matt and you know that. I never did anything to you. I didn't start this $hit here on the ACR today. Melissa posted, "Do you want to talk about what you are REALLY mad about, BJ? Or shall we just let it rest now?" and then you posted, "Excuse me while I help Melissa extract that knife from her back, BJ" And I posted, "You don't even want to get me started on what I am REALLY PISSED ABOUT melissa !! Don't even go there pal because I guarantee you that I am not the only one who had documented the life on the forums. There are others waiting in the balcony sharping their claws." Now that should bring up up to current times. You guys invited Pandora's box to be opened and it is up to you now if you want it closed. You are right, I am not holier than thou and neither is anybody else. All I asked Melissa to do was cease from using that tracker counter and now we are on post number 85. No Lori, there is nothing I want to disclose about you. I always thought you were a hard working single mother raising her child. Again as I told Melissa, everything I know about her was on the forums and with you on the forums and on the radio show when you called in that time. Well and maybe a few loving tidbits from that mutual friend who I haven't heard from in ions. I had no beef with you Lori. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 11:23 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (87 of 125) 1711.87 in reply to 1711.85 prev next Excuse me, when is the last time you ever got any mail from me? Months and months and months. You have been off my list for a long time. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ELBERG Aug-26 11:26 pm To: ALL (88 of 125) 1711.88 in reply to 1711.43 prev next Enlighten me, please. Who are the bad guys in this subculture scenario? Is it the person who placed a counter in her posts, or all the people who have revealed so much information about specific posters hats, secret forums and their member snitches, favors granted to certain well-know forum owners, moderating positions held by certain posters, disappearances, etc.? This forum and the subculture pages have been very interesting for a forum "voyeur" such as I, but I have to admit I'm thoroughly confused now. Much of the information revealed in these posts seems to be in-crowd private information. Is this all good? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: DIGERATI Aug-26 11:28 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (89 of 125) 1711.89 in reply to 1711.85 prev next Well I heard my name was being tarnished on this forum, and I thought I would drop in. Interesting! BTW, I received one of those ACR emails also...the one that lists a LOT of names and email addys with a request to add to the list if I could. I declined, and apparently was subsequently taken off of the email list also. LOL It seems to me, BJ, that you are trying to start an all-out brawl. Why else would you bring up the "three posters" we all know about who confided in you privately/secretly. You seem to forget that nothing is really secret in our little corner of cyberspace. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 11:29 pm To: ELBERG unread (90 of 125) 1711.90 in reply to 1711.88 prev next Stick around you might get an education Good guys or bad guys? I don't know, what color hat are you wearing? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 11:37 pm To: DIGERATI (91 of 125) 1711.91 in reply to 1711.89 prev next Denver, I didn't drag you out here to the ACR but it's nice to hear from you again. Yes, you were on my mailing list back then also. I believe that was back in February 2000. No Denver, I am not trying to start a brawl. This is my forum and I have asked a member here to cease something she was doing. It is as simple as that. She is the one who got cocky and had to make a smart remark that I responded to. The rest is history Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 11:41 pm To: ALL (92 of 125) 1711.92 in reply to 1711.85 prev next Twinkle, how was I supposed to magically know that BB666 wasn't going to be back after August 15th? huh? I had every reason to believe he/she would be back...Your post makes no sense. You aren't wanting to hear what I am saying. I am really shocked at some of you. At least with me, you know what you are getting. I'm not hiding behind some BS facade of gentile manners, smiling to your face and flipping you off behind your back. Nope, if I'm going to flip someone off, I'm going to do it to their face, otherwise what is the point? I say what I think. Agree, disagree, love me, hate me, whatever...at least you know where I stand. I like to know where I stand with someone, don't you? Tonight has really been an eye-opener. As for being a moderator at J245, I didn't know it was supposed to be a secret. I haven't even been there in days, anyway, what's that got to do with the price of cheese in Wisconsin? I see an apology isn't good enough for you. Whatever, that's your problem, not mine. As for the Rose Garden, I don't know why you even bother with two forums, it was just the same stuff there as it is here. Maybe it's that way with your other secret forum, the Supersleuths, as well. What are ya SuperSleuthin' out over there, anyway? It wouldn't be other POSTERS, now would it? Nah....you are too good for that sort of thing, right? You probably just use that forum to sharpen your claws. Meow... Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-26 11:47 pm To: ALL (93 of 125) 1711.93 in reply to 1711.92 prev next No no no no, BJ. That IS NOT how it started. See, this is exactly how you "document" things on your pages. Inaccurately. I told you my reason for posting the counter and APOLOGIZED if I offended anyone. YOU came back and posted this: >>>> Sorry but no you do not have a right to come to this forum and track the members. Absolutely NOT under no conditions. PERIOD. That is bull$shit Melissa !! I have over a 1000 members here on this forum and they deserve some respect to know that their ISP's are not being tracked from this forum. <<<< You attacked, ME, BJ. If your posters deserve so much respect, BJ, why don't you just publish all the information you have collected on them over the years? I'm sure we'd all love to see it. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-26 11:55 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (94 of 125) 1711.94 in reply to 1711.93 prev next I am sure you would just love to see my files :-) Sorry Well I am exhausted and going to bed. We can continue this tomorrow if you like. You know the old saying, "sticks and stone........" Chow Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: BAILEY38 Aug-27 12:04 am To: Melissa (SEASLIM) (95 of 125) 1711.95 in reply to 1711.93 prev next This is getting so tiresome...Who wants to know who I am? Here's the info: Divorced twice, two children by the same man(shock! *L*) email (Trsbail@aol.com) Write anytime one wishes. Born and raised in KY and am proud of it....anyone who has a problem with me...come on down and we'll work it out. Love fried chicken and green tomatoes, a yank, and dogs. This has all gotten out of hand and it's a sad thing....I suggest we make a forum for bitching and forum wars which exclude the name of a murdered child..JonBenet doesn't deserve this...nor does any child. The death of a child brought us all together...can we get back to her and the reason why we care? Games are getting old. Edited 8/27/2000 12:08:26 AM ET by BAILEY38 Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) Aug-27 12:51 am To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (96 of 125) 1711.96 in reply to 1711.52 prev next Dear Miss LoriAnn... Gotta take serious umbrage to your "untrustworthy" comment if you were referring to me. (your post wasn't very clear) and beg you to please be specific. No really... please post everything you want to say right here. I'm tired of all of these veiled threats being bandied about here and directed at others, and now, possibly myself. in what I consider my forum HOME. If you've got something to say, say it. I don't play the bully game.... either on the giving or the receiving end. Go spend a day or two and dig up every post I've ever made... I use this hat, and used to use GoFigure... and I don't communicate with anyone VIA e-mail... so that needn't worry you. Then come on back and give us a full report on my "untrustworthiness" Happy hunting!!! )It'll keep you out of trouble for awhile anyway.) You must have really enjoyed math in school because your middle name is division. Your kind of tactics only work on people who have something to lose.... but, you knew that, didn't you? It's not very becoming. Edited 8/27/00 12:56:10 AM ET by CBREEZ6587 Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: jtcolfax@hotmail.com (JTCOLFAX) Aug-27 2:51 am To: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) (97 of 125) 1711.97 in reply to 1711.96 prev next Speaking of "untrustworthy"............about 50 post ago didn't IT say unto BJ>>>>>"You are PROVEN untrustworthy," or a very close approximation of those words..........WHERE......?......I've read all this crap, and I can NOT find the PROOF of Auntie BJ's untrustability. I did see smoke/mirrors and illusions. is that the proof? As for les MAIN subject HERE on this THREAD....is there or is there NOT, often threads designed here to help "newbies"....well (are there not)....(wish I knew how to italicize).....in short:the essence of this issue personally to me, and probably to others not SKILLED or PRACTICED in sucking up the personal DIRT on people posting here is THAT I fully always ASSUMED that a forum OWNER could automatically SEE the info we speak of here on this thread......BUT I never thought the other posters COULD DO IT. And of Auntie's 1000 members I bet there's a VAST amount that assumed the same thing. AND HENCE: I never had PROBLEM with the idea that Auntie could see such info, in fact I thought it was GOOD so she could PROTECT US from being duped by EEEEEEEEELS. (nyc accent here):"know what I'm sayin, know what I'm talkin about, huh." So Auntie went ballistic because YOU sloshed distrustful diarrhea on HER forum. If Auntie was getting dressed up to go to "secret meetings" in the alley off 4th and Main in her town, and YOU (miss klicker)hopped out from behind a bush and THREW heeping gobs of gook on her new dress, it is SHE that would have to arrive with the SMEAR, with the other attendees doing les stabbing en les back to HER about her messed dress. Know what I'm saying. AUNTIE doesn't want YOU to cause US to distrust BEING HERE..... Is that or is that NOT, les line on les bottom HERE. And if you don't agree with me, well, "I have proof". I equate those BLURRY words with the RETARDED way QUASIMODO shouts out "sanctuary" as he escapes to les church. As for Aunties reference to someone calling this a "gossip" forum..........oh, probably in the 70's or 80's of this thread.......well....I do agree with THAT, so LONG AS IT'S APPLIED to EVERY SINGLE DAMN ONE OF THESE R. forums. Sure, true stuff bubbles up in ALL these forums LONG before it does in les media....and other stuff falls by les wayside. And we chat. And we see into each others personalities. instinct tells us who to TRUST. I trust auntie. yeppy yep yes. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-27 3:07 am To: jtcolfax@hotmail.com (JTCOLFAX) (98 of 125) 1711.98 in reply to 1711.97 prev next Yep, (said with a midwestern twang) Auntie sure got distrustful diarrhea sloshed all over her dress today. And pure stinkin' diarrhea it is. Gobs and gobs of icky brownish green. I trust Auntie, and I like her so much that I would even wash her dress on a scrub board. You sure have an interesting way of putting things in writing, JT. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) Aug-27 3:08 am To: jtcolfax@hotmail.com (JTCOLFAX) (99 of 125) 1711.99 in reply to 1711.97 prev next AMEN, JT. Come on... it's cocktail time. I'm buyin'. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) Aug-27 3:12 am To: ALL (100 of 125) 1711.100 in reply to 1711.99 prev next From Closer: We all know about the old secret delphi forum that the queens had and how Chris, Baybb, Denver, Lori and others tried to let Auntie BJ take the fall when the queens were outed regarding the Peedy incident From Lori to BJ: Is this how you treat friends? Does anyone see the irony here? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ANTONIAN Aug-27 3:29 am To: ALL (101 of 125) 1711.101 in reply to 1711.92 prev next Melissa, you certainly summed it all up when you said, "meow". This is out of control. BJ has made the rule that ISP tracking counters can't be used at this forum (which, by the way, is her right to do as the moderator of ACR). That rule doesn't in any way diminish the seriousness of that fact that Blackwell appears to be stalking you. That rule also doesn't prevent you from using the amazing power of the Internet to continue your research on Blackwell. I just don't understand the need for all the personal accusations against BJ. She made her rule and that was it. You don't have to agree with it; in fact, you have the right to disagree with it. So if you do indeed disagree with her rule, wouldn't it be easy enough to state your opinion ONCE and move on? (Dumb question, I know. No doubt this post will open the floodgates for another rehash of why you had the counter. I get it; there's no need for you to repeat your reasoning.) Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-27 6:15 am To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (102 of 125) 1711.102 in reply to 1711.9 prev next "You wouldn't even have a web site if not for people like Chris and Melissa and many others who ORIGINALLY DOCUMENTED the ongoings of this subculture. Remember, you came late in the game or have you forgotten that?" Lori, let me make a comment here about this. I would have had my subculture history site whether I had met all of you or not. It is the very nature of my personality to document and then to do what I did. I had the Tyzano Hoax documented long before the site was being built to include all the rest that eventually became the Internet Subculture web site. Speaking of tracking counters, remember I was the one who had the tracker on my Tyzano web site that let us all know that Motorola had been visiting my site. I greatly appreciate everything that you donated as well as Denver and BayBB and yes, Melissa did provide some archive files. You donated the "Simba Flame Archives" and Denver donated so much I can't even begin to thank her. I spent endless hours in IRC chat almost every night for months with BayBB and Geno and LizzieB, IbNora and Mapek and others who filled in a tremendous about of history, enough to make me dig further and further to make the site was it is today. Mrs. Brady's archive files were priceless and still are. My Webdollie audio site on the Dave Lucas show was mine completely. I did all the work period. My hell hole site was mine completely. I did all the work. I am the one who spent endless hours on the old Geraldo Forum documenting the history there and spent endless hours on what was once the old J-7 archive that Tara from Sunnyday had. Thanks to Murphy's BNF archive files I was able to reconstruct much of what went on during those early days. And don't forget I was on the BNF during that last major war. I even had help with documentation from one of the hackers. Yes, I came late in the game as far as the J-7 and old BNF wars but you forget I knew Matt Causey since the fall of '97 and he filled me in on a lot of the old history long before I got to you guys when we were on the old TVCourt Forums. And LizzieB and the another poster under the old "gofigure" hat provided me with the "Curious Death" threads to make that story possible to be documented. I was no babe in the woods and was not molded by anybody. I am who I am. I would never take away credit from anybody who helped me, never. All the history from the last two years from the summer of '98 until now I documented myself from the forums because I was in the front lines during all of the remaining forum and poster wars. So the answer is yes that my Subculture web site would have been there with or without your help but I would never down play what you or everybody did to help me. That is how and why this subculture forum began because we are all part of the same story. I wished I had more input from both Murphy and Jameson on the early days also but because of my position I got labeled as being on the "other side" so their cooperation was not there. Maybe some people thought I was some dumb $hit who could be manipulated into creating just a flame archive about Jameson and Murphy. That is not what the documented history of this subculture is all about. That is not what I am all about. I want to hear both sides of the story. That is exactly how I felt the other day when the JW posters came here to tell their side of the story about their deleted threads. It was not all about trashing Chris. It was about the history of this subculture and the forums and what does go on behind the scenes. The problem is that some posters and forum owners don't want some things to be on the history archives, things they just want to shove under the cyber rug while others use those archive files as a tool to continue to discredit others. How do I pick and choose what is to be included and what is not? I have files and files of things I want to write about and bearly have time to keep up. Thanks to Chris at Justice Watch for allowing me to use the old archive threads from her forum I was able to include people like Panico's fantastic work in the history files and Shadow's parody and Greenleaf's humor. It brought a balance to the big picture on the timeline of the subculture following this case. Thanks to Murphy I was able to use the WebbSleuths gossip files that Afton gets credit for and other WebbSleuths threads. All the threads of the online forums tell a story that I could never tell, a story that you or anybody else could never tell. Those forum threads are the history of this subculture. Except not everybody wants to see that timeline of threads up and running. It really is the good, the bad and the ugly all over those following the murder of a small child in Boulder, Colorado. I also wanted to capture the very essence of those posters for their sleuthing abilities and creative minds and artistic talents and those with the drive to go forward no matter what all in the name of justice for JonBenet Ramsey. Edited 8/27/00 6:26:14 AM ET by ACANDYROSE Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: MS_CAUTION Aug-27 10:40 am To: ACANDYROSE (103 of 125) 1711.103 in reply to 1711.102 prev next My (innocent) take: 1. Melissa was wrong, wrong, wrong to place a counter here. I choose to register only on forums where I trust the moderator. I'm fully cognizant of the fact that the moderator has my ISP (indeed, at the only 2 forums where I'm registered, here and JW, I've answered any questions that the moderators have about me). This comes down to trust and choices. I do not choose to register where I'm uncomfortable. 2. Melissa's apology (which she so frequently tells us about) was hollow, at best. Read post #2 and determine for yourselves if it had the ring of sincerity. 3. If I believed I was being stalked, I'd immediately write an e-mail to Auntie BJ and Chris to request their assistance. I have no doubt that they would render any help they could. 4. I find it remarkable that someone has the gall to come here and criticize our host. I find it even more remarkable there is such innuendo and threats. It's a tribute to Auntie BJ that she continues to take the high road. If it were me, I'd ban the likes of Melissa and those who support her by attemepting to tear down Auntie BJ. I applaud Auntie's patience. 5. I am sorry to learn of possible conflict between Auntie & Chris, as I admire the both of them so much. 6. If someone wants to dump on Auntie, I think s/he should establish a forum for that purpose, not do it here. 6. Totally apart from anything else, I *like* no HTML. Faster loading. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Laura (ARNIE023) Aug-27 11:26 am To: MS_CAUTION (104 of 125) 1711.104 in reply to 1711.103 prev next BRAVO Ms Caution. Well said. I too think you are wrong wrong wrong to come to BJ's forum and trash her out. It IS HER FORUM. If you don't like the rules or the way she runs things, it is very simple: LEAVE AND DONT COME BACK. I for one admire ACANDYROSE because I have known her to be exceptionally fair and she has ALWAYS kept any confidences I have trusted her with. I think she deserves a Standing "O" for having the tact and patience to let you guys blabber on and not ban you. Goes to show strong moral character. Edited 8/27/00 12:11:29 PM ET by ARNIE023 Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-27 12:43 pm To: Laura (ARNIE023) (105 of 125) 1711.105 in reply to 1711.104 prev next LOL! Right here on this very thread she betrayed at least three confidences in the heat of her anger, but loyalty is blind. You'd be suprised to learn the things BJ has done behind the scenes. But, I can see right now, once again I'm the big, bad, meanie of the internet. Ok. Whatever, it's not a new role for me, and one that even BJ has taken advantage of. I don't mind, you are going to believe whatever it is you WANT to believe, no amount of proof is going to change anyone's mind about anything around here. So be it. Everything I do is wrong. You are right. I see the error of my ways. I am wrong. I am scum. I apologize. I'm sorry. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-27 1:01 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) unread (106 of 125) 1711.106 in reply to 1711.105 prev next I'm just so upset that JT doesn't like me. I don't know if I will ever recover from that. FLOL!! Please don't forget that I was accused of hacking his site, too. I'm a hacker from hell, I tell you. BJ, I don't recall ever donating anything to you. I do recall about 20 gigs of email from both you and G2 doing what you do best. I hope that doesn't load by mistake when someone clicks on any of those links that you have leeched. Everyone knows I'm an underhanded bitch, but I think they might be a bit shocked to see what you do in "private". Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-27 1:13 pm To: ALL (107 of 125) 1711.107 in reply to 1711.106 prev next And while you're fixing all those dead links that you're going to have, you might want to consider changing the name of your site to ACandyDoze. Edited 8/27/2000 1:21:44 PM ET by HAGATHA Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-27 1:40 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) unread (108 of 125) 1711.108 in reply to 1711.105 prev next You are so full of diversionary tactics. First you try the diversion tactic of "switch their attention" by throwing others like Murphy and BJ under the bus and accusing them of everything under the sun, to try to divert attention away from what you did. Now you are trying to play the "poor pitiful little ole victimized me" tactic. You can whine and whine all you want, but do you think that people are fools enough to believe you are a victim. You are no innocent victim, so quit the whiner type facade. People can see right through it. BTW, your diversionary tactics are so amusing. They match perfectly what is in the textbook of Childrens Psychology l0l. Edited 8/27/00 1:42:14 PM ET by WEBCAT55 Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-27 1:52 pm To: Webcat (WEBCAT55) (109 of 125) 1711.109 in reply to 1711.108 prev next What Melissa did was out in plain view for all to see. I can't help it that you are computer illiterate and had no idea what you were seeing. Maybe you should take the opportunity to educate yourself before you come on board and preach to those of us who have had our personal information plastered from one end of the web to the other. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: MERLCAT Aug-27 1:53 pm To: MS_CAUTION unread (110 of 125) 1711.110 in reply to 1711.103 prev next Hear! Hear! well spoken Ms Caution! While we may not agree on everything, this is one area where many of us appear to feel the same way. Thank you for your articulate post. Edited 8/27/2000 2:34:03 PM ET by MERLCAT Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-27 2:02 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) unread (111 of 125) 1711.111 in reply to 1711.109 prev next Did you go to the same diversionary school as Melissa? You are right that I am fairly computer illiterate, but so what? Now you are saying the whole thing was my fault that Melissa put up a counter on a forum she was not a moderator at, and I didn't know what it was, so it is all my fault. That is like the drunk driver running over a pedistrian, then saying it was the stupid pedistrians fault because he couldn't get out of the way of the car. That diversionary tactic is called "Shift the Blame". It works about as well as the other lame tactics you guys are using. In other words, you need to come up with something better. How about a really sincere appology from Melissa to BJ and her posters. Not the lame dog ass apology of, sorry I offended you, but I had a right to do what I did, so I was completely justified no matter what anybody thinks. Melissa could have stopped this yesterday I think, if she would have backed down and posted a true sincere apology. But people with self esteem and ego problems have a hard time doing that. It might have been hard for her to do, but it would have made her look a lot more mature and psychologically stable to a lot of posters.As it stands now, she looks like dog meat. Edited 8/27/00 2:10:51 PM ET by WEBCAT55 Edited 8/27/00 2:12:29 PM ET by WEBCAT55 Edited 8/27/00 2:21:50 PM ET by WEBCAT55 Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Hobo (SNOOPSISTERX) Aug-27 2:29 pm To: MS_CAUTION unread (112 of 125) 1711.112 in reply to 1711.111 prev next Glad to see you posting again. I'm at a disadvantage, I know Melissa personally. I spent a couple of days with her in Dallas and grew to know her and her children. I met an extremely bright and quick witted young woman who is busy raising her children. She carried another unborn with her during the time I spent with her. I've thought about her many times since we met. I believe Mel will be a late bloomer, she is busy now with her off spring, but who knows how far she will go when she isn't burdened with five loads of wash each day. As far as the internet goes, she's taken just as many slaps in the face as anyone, maybe more. I remember when her nick name was "the baby factory." I thought that was one of the most crude and cruel things I'd ever seen in print on the JBR forums. She let it roll off of her back. Her children are her choice. She has good reason to be concerned about being stalked. A poster telephoned her home and spoke with her husband. The conversation was to let him know that if he was considering divorce (the poster thought he was, the caller has collected information about Melissa to help him with petition. I don't believe I've seen anything other than this incident to attempt to wreck a marriage. I see that she has apologized, I think she has given all she can here to admit that there was a problem with her counter. I don't think it's a diversion to attempt to explain why she put the counter up. Melissa, I hope to be around in 15 years or so I can say, "I knew her when......" Ruth Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-27 2:42 pm To: Webcat (WEBCAT55) (113 of 125) 1711.113 in reply to 1711.111 prev next Yes, Melissa, please apologize for trying to protect yourself from some internet lunatic who has sent out hundreds of email inquiries about your location, employment, phone number, and God knows what else. Just because your real name is common knowledge, please accommodate this anonymous Webcat who still enjoys the comfort of anonymity by admitting that you were out of line. Then get into the ass-kissing line behind JT Colfax and confess your sin to the almighty LORD OF ACCURATE DOCUMENTATION! You will then be directed to the friendship pavillion for a healthy dose of betrayal and public humiliation. Welcome to the subculture... Edited 8/27/2000 2:46:10 PM ET by HAGATHA Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-27 2:51 pm To: Melissa (SEASLIM) unread (114 of 125) 1711.114 in reply to 1711.105 prev next Melissa, I have never done anything to you. Your reasoning on why you had the "right" to do what you did to, "....I think I had every right to do my best to ferret out the culprit" went beyond your personal quest when you decided that this forum is where you wanted to practice that "right." This forum is my home on the Internet and I have over a thousand members as guests here (well maybe only 500 if count the duplicate hats) and I owe them the security that they can come here and not be tracked by another member. What the Delphi network does is beyond my control. If I were to expose those logs they produce then I am out of line. And in reality to call this poster named "BBlackwell" a stalker is out of line also at this point as you had never contacted me as a member of this forum that another member was reported as stalking you. In reality your thread pointing out that fact is way out of line. And the same goes for what appears to be your stalking of Murphy. She is a member of this forum and should be given the same respect of that security that nobody is stalking her here from this forum. At this point if Murphy knows my password to her WebbSleuths forum she must be having a good laugh over it. You say you outted her hat here on this forum. Did you use your tracker counter to track her ISP to come to that conclusion? On another note: You were never "booted" as you say from my private forum. You were listed as inactive because you disappeared for several months and nobody knew where you were. We thought you left the net completely. However at this point I will not be reactivating you at that forum. I posted at the WOR about the SuperSleuths. I suppose it would be too much to ask of you to understand how silly it is to announce that somebody has a forum if that forum is not for the purpose of general discussion? I was not aware that I was suppose to report to you or anybody what I do on the Internet. Other than this forum and my subculture web site my personal life is just as private as yours. I didn't start a war to open Pandora's box, you did. Not everybody on the Internet feels sorry for you anymore than they feel sorry for me for any real life tragedies and sorrows. Frankly most of them could care less. I honestly do not see your sincerity regarding your apology on the tracker counter. In my opinion, you're looking for a fight and maybe to be banned from my forum so you have yet another reason for others to feel sorry for you. You may not be wrong for wanting to track some stalking if that is the case but you were wrong for wanting to do it here on this forum and you are wrong for continuing to argue about it. I am not trying to make you look bad, you're doing a good job of that yourself. If you don't like my Internet subculture web site then don't go to it. If you don't like my forum then don't come to it. I have never made it a point to go on the Internet and slam you or anybody else. You have always been recognized as one of the queens group and that's fine if you're happy in that group. I have no desire to hurt you, stalk you or make you anything other than you are doing to yourself. I admire your drive and sleuthing ability and even if your presentation is a bit over zealous in my opinion, but that's you. I do what I do and you do what you do. Another member here did verify that what I heard via the cyber grapevine about you were a moderator at another Delphi forum was true. If that is the case then take your theories and research regarding your Blackwell poster and/or Murphy to that forum where you can maintain the control and responsibility of that input and output. Bottom line is that this is my forum and you were my guest and if you don't want to be my guest then move on. If you want to continue to argue with me and be rude and attack my integrity then I have no choice but to deactivate you from this forum also. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-27 3:04 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) unread (115 of 125) 1711.115 in reply to 1711.113 prev next It has been posted and very well documented previously in this thread that Melissa could have used a variety of other methods to track the "stalker". She could have asked BJ to help her. She could have put her counter on the forum Jameson 245 where she moderates. She could have put the counter on Justice Watch. She had the email heading of the "stalker". But no, she had to violate our privacy here on BJ's forum, and spew diarrhea all over BJ's dress. Then she gave the most half assed lame brain pathetic post for an "apology" I have ever read, it wasn't even an apology when you get right down to it. Melissa was doing more than trying to track the stalker. You know it, Melissa knows it, BJ knows it, and I know it. BTW, did the "stalker" find Melissa and break her fingers, it seems like she should be posting for helself instead of having a toady do it for her. Edited 8/27/00 3:09:10 PM ET by WEBCAT55 Edited 8/27/00 3:10:15 PM ET by WEBCAT55 Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-27 3:15 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) unread (116 of 125) 1711.116 in reply to 1711.106 prev next "BJ, I don't recall ever donating anything to you. I do recall about 20 gigs of e-mail from both you and G2 doing what you do best. I hope that doesn't load by mistake when someone clicks on any of those links that you have leeched." The "Simba Flame Archives" was yours right? You were "Simba" on the old BNF were you not? Sorry if I am giving you credit if that was not your archive file. On the 20 gig of e-mail you speak of, that was back when the BNF closed during the Tyzano Rape Hoax incident. I was not in charge of that e-mail group but was somehow added as one of the group just as you were and about 20 other posters, many of them quite well known. And your right that it did compile about 20 gigs. I could bearly keep up with it myself, I can imagine your frustration. As a matter of fact I still have all of that 20 gigs of e-mails stored and unlike your threats not for the purpose of embarrassing others but of my own personal history files on who did what and who said what so I don't quote something out of context should verification become necessary regarding that ugly matter back in January of 1999. I also hope that doesn't load by mistake from one of the links I offer as additional documentation on my site because there would be a few others (I believe friends of yours) who might be just a little embarrassed by those e-mails and that doesn't include me. I didn't say anything in those e-mails to that group that I wouldn't say right here on this forum. I don't even know how I became part of the e-mail group but I ended up there just like the others and obviously you did too. Sorry but I can't take the credit for that massive e-mailing. It wasn't my baby and it happened so quick and was at such a large volume that it was overwhelming. And I bowed out of it along with a half a dozen others at some point. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-27 3:30 pm To: ACANDYROSE (117 of 125) 1711.117 in reply to 1711.116 prev next "unlike your threats not for the purpose of embarrassing others but of my own personal history files" ROFLMAO!! Oh my, you would be embarrassed, wouldn't you? I bet you would be even more embarrassed of the old AOL group files showed up, too. OOOOHHHH, that would be a hoot! Unfortuately, I'm not threatening you, BJ. I'm telling you. I don't think you want to get into a pissing contest with the "Queens" as you so love to call us. Melissa apologized for what she did, yet you chose to turn it into a public flogging. Chris took a beating, yet you encouraged it to continue. Both of these people have helped you considerably in the past and thought of you as a friend. So did I. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: SPOOK52 Aug-27 3:43 pm To: ALL (118 of 125) 1711.118 in reply to 1711.117 prev next I harbor no ill will towards Melissa, or anyone here. I would just like to say that any woman with several young children should not be spending more than two hours a day on the internet. We all know that some people have neglected spouses and children to engage in cyberwars and obssessive posting. This cannot be good for families. We are also aware of divorces brought about by internet addiction. This addiction can be just as destructive as alcoholism or compulsive gambling. Every hour you spend online is one hour less that you have given to your dear ones. When you are lying on your deathbed, will you say, "I wish I had spent more time online?", or will you say "I wish I had spent more time with those who loved me?" Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-27 3:47 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) unread (119 of 125) 1711.119 in reply to 1711.117 prev next Goodbye Lori, you're history I see no agenda from you other than to cause trouble. By the way, "I bet you would be even more embarrassed of the old AOL group files showed up, too. OOOOHHHH, that would be a hoot!" I have all the old AOL group files, is there any particular post you would like to see? :-) Give it up Lori Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-27 3:57 pm To: ACANDYROSE (120 of 125) 1711.120 in reply to 1711.119 prev next Well, you certainly had a lot more patience with her than I would have had. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) Aug-27 3:59 pm To: ACANDYROSE (121 of 125) 1711.121 in reply to 1711.119 prev next I guess I'm not history yet, huh? Ban me, BJ! It wouldn't be the first time someone has and I doubt it will be the last. Yes, I was Simba, so what? I was a lot of hats so you aren't hurting me by posting all these personal facts that are old news to most people. Most of my mischief is common knowledge. Yours is not. So deactivate me if that makes you feel better. There are many other hats to be worn around here, honey. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: ACANDYROSE Aug-27 4:02 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) unread (122 of 125) 1711.122 in reply to 1711.117 prev next "Melissa apologized for what she did, yet you chose to turn it into a public flogging. Chris took a beating, yet you encouraged it to continue. Both of these people have helped you considerably in the past and thought of you as a friend. So did I. " You are two faced liar Lori. Melissa's apology was weak and she turned this into a flogging. I am not encouraging any beating of Chris. Every member of the subculture has the right to voice their side of a story. In the past I have ALWAYS contacted Chris to get her input so her a$$ was covered. Ask Chris about that. And now lets talk about FRIENDS. You never considered me a friend and neither did Chris or Melissa. Last summer when the threads of the Delphi secret forum were exposed by the Madhatter hat on the WebbSleuths Forum NOT ONE OF YOU CAME OUT AND ADMITTED that I was not and never was a part of that secret forum where that plotting was taking place. Not one of you Lori. You were a member of that forum too. Did you speak out to help me? No. I am a forum owner too and yet everybody was so worried that this would look bad for Chris. Well what about me damnit. Screw BJ as long as Chris looks good is that it? I was fortunate that one of your own (and I even hate to include her like that) had a conscience to tell me the truth. Where was all this FRIENDSHIP then? All of them liked to me, Chris, Melissa, Denver, BayBB and Puddy lied to me, each of them, one after the other in e-mail to me. Denver was the only one of all of you who cared enough to say she cared. Denver was always one of my favorites of your group. You were a member of that secret Delphi forum too. Did you come forward to speak up publically on my behalf? The answer is NO. Did Melissa? The answer is NO. Did Chris? The answer is NO. Did BayBB? The answer is NO. Did Denver? The answer is NO. Did Puddy? The answer is NO. Mapek came to my defense. I suppose she is the one you were referring to as the one sitting alone in her lonely IRC channel because she wouldn't play the game. Edited 8/27/2000 4:41:16 PM ET by ACANDYROSE Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Michelle (CBREEZ6587) Aug-27 4:04 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) unread (123 of 125) 1711.123 in reply to 1711.117 prev next LoriAnn... Did you two take this class together? From: Melissa (SEASLIM) Aug-25 12:33 am To: CHERYLMEAN (38 of 41) 10.38 in reply to 10.37 prev next I don't hear anyone but Murphy SCREAMING....LOL Shamelessly pilfered from RamFan University, where Murphy is head of security, Murph's specialities include: Argumentum Ad Lapidem: Learning to dismiss a statement as absurd without proving it to be false Argumentum Ad HominemĘ101 and Advanced Argumentum Ad HominemĘ405: How to effectively reject or dismiss another person's statement by attacking the person rather than by disproving the statement Creating Misgivings 210: How to stir up suspicions about a long forgotten (and possibly unsubstantiated) charge against one's interlocutor Argumentum tu Quoque 101 and 102: The art of dismissing or downplaying an accusation by demonstrating that the accuser himself is guilty of misconduct Red Herring 101 and Advanced Red Herring 408: Diverting the attention of the audience from the discussion of the real issues to irrelevancies Shifting the Blame 101 and Advanced Shifting the Blame 417: The art of blaming the perceived enemy for anything negative which happens to those for whom one is advocating Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Webcat (WEBCAT55) Aug-27 4:06 pm To: Hobo (SNOOPSISTERX) (124 of 125) 1711.124 in reply to 1711.112 prev next I am wondering if she is so busy with her offspring and doing five loads of wash every day, how in the heck does she find all that time for the internet? BTW I admire you and your webpages very much, and I definitely do not want to get in any scrap at all with you. Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit From: Scorcharella (_SCORCH) Aug-27 6:09 pm To: LoriAnn (HAGATHA) (125 of 125) 1711.125 in reply to 1711.121 prev I don't see that BJ has posted any "personal facts." A fact that is common knowledge is not, in my opinion, personal. Your defense of a practice considered an intrusion upon the personal safety of other members of this forum is incomprehensible in light of the reason stated for said practice. The end does not justify the means. It is also my opinion that your argument of having the counter displayed in plain view is not a reasonable defense. The majority of the population does not understand how http works. Nor do they understand IP addressing. This does not make them at fault for having viewed a graphic on this forum that can identify their service provider. The logs of her counter and the visitor list of this forum, when compared against each other by time of posting, can provide a wealth of information about which hat comes from which IP. This is the first step in identification of a poster, and opens the door for complaints to service providers. I'm not implying that this was Melissa's purpose. I am only stating the facts, and the reasons that members are upset about the counter's presence. Complaints to service providers have quite a history among these forums and are therefore justifiably feared. Surely you understand this. I agree that Melissa has a right to post on the internet without fear of stalkers. Posters here have a right to post without fear of surreptitious collection of identifying information. Where does the difference between those two rights lie? A difference that demands such vituperative response? I don't see it. Pointing fingers back at BJ, proclaiming that she is just as guilty of collecting information is also a faulty argument. BJ, just as Chris, Murphy, and even Jameson have a right to whatever information they receive during the normal operation of their forums. Melissa has a right to whatever collection of information she can accomplish on her personal web pages. No member (guest) of this forum, however, has a right to glean information about other members. Not one person could have participated in these forums for the last three and a half years and not know that placement of a counter in a forum setting would be inflammatory and offensive. Not one. And please don't argue that the collection of information was not surreptitious. Using a method that is not understood or even recognized by most, and them blaming the victim for their ignorance, is nonsense. I do not see justification for such a vicious attack on BJ's character. The things you are alleging a very far from the woman I have come to know and respect. I also know, that had Melissa approached BJ about the counter plan prior to implementing it, BJ likely would have lent her efforts in attempting to identify the stalker. Do you think anyone would be allowed to post at JW with a counter that tracks IPs, for whatever reason? I doubt it. In fact I think that person would be tossed out on their ear. Why was it OK for you to do that here? Email to a friend Reply Delete Edit