Justice Watch "The Second Ramsey Foundation Ad" [ Main ] [ Post New Thread ] [ Help ] [ Search ] Table of Contents ................................................................... The Second Ramsey Foundation Ad, LurkerXIV, 08:50:20, 9/05/2001 Ha! Lurker, Watching you, 09:17:09, 9/05/2001, (#1) the url leads to yahoo screen, Shee, 09:20:55, 9/05/2001, (#2) I wonder if the ad, Florida, 09:33:51, 9/05/2001, (#3) Try this one, janphi, 09:37:02, 9/05/2001, (#4) well,, Thor, 09:42:20, 9/05/2001, (#5) Ad, doScubie, 09:50:39, 9/05/2001, (#6) Everyone?, vic, 10:03:56, 9/05/2001, (#9) I am , Tricia, 09:58:54, 9/05/2001, (#7) disgusting propaganda, austingirl, 10:11:34, 9/05/2001, (#12) yep, 2nd one worked, Shee, 10:04:30, 9/05/2001, (#10) IMHO, Diwi, 10:03:40, 9/05/2001, (#8) oh yeah, jameson, Shee, 10:08:32, 9/05/2001, (#11) Ad, doScubie, 10:41:05, 9/05/2001, (#13) I've had absobloodylutely enough of all this shits..., DAWN, 10:56:31, 9/05/2001, (#14) a question or two, fly, 11:06:29, 9/05/2001, (#15) realistically, vic, 11:20:23, 9/05/2001, (#16) working with the police, fly, 11:36:33, 9/05/2001, (#18) Rams didn't place the ad.., v_p, 11:29:44, 9/05/2001, (#17) ...Veeeeeeeeeeep xxxxxx, DAWN, 11:37:33, 9/05/2001, (#19) Who is Vicki Emery?, Ayeka, 12:07:41, 9/05/2001, (#20) hey fly, Texan, 12:48:47, 9/05/2001, (#25) Hi Ayeka..., cappuccina, 12:27:53, 9/05/2001, (#21) tasteless, pinker, 12:38:23, 9/05/2001, (#24) beyond freaky, pinker, 14:23:15, 9/05/2001, (#31) capp, v_p, 12:33:55, 9/05/2001, (#23) I am honestly, Watching you, 12:33:10, 9/05/2001, (#22) Unbelievable to me, JR, 12:54:21, 9/05/2001, (#26) v-p, Jerrya, 13:43:21, 9/05/2001, (#28) My 2 cents, Bitsy, 13:30:32, 9/05/2001, (#27) A bit more..., Diwi, 13:46:18, 9/05/2001, (#29) Diwi...Applause, Applause!, LurkerXIV, 17:32:15, 9/05/2001, (#34) $$$ ???, pinker, 14:19:53, 9/05/2001, (#30) Pinker: We're already costing out JW ads..., Dunvegan, 17:35:33, 9/05/2001, (#35) LP says , Florida, 14:45:34, 9/05/2001, (#32) Yeah, Jellyjaws, 16:48:05, 9/05/2001, (#33) I , Tricia, 18:46:15, 9/05/2001, (#36) thanks janphi, purr, 19:37:34, 9/05/2001, (#37) Unbelievable, ACandyRose, 01:53:56, 9/06/2001, (#38) The tips, Florida, 10:31:29, 9/06/2001, (#41) Ad, doScubie, 10:02:42, 9/06/2001, (#39) Yes, Pure Patster-Speak, LurkerXIV, 10:15:53, 9/06/2001, (#40) I am totally up for that..., DAWN, 11:54:06, 9/06/2001, (#46) Alternative Ad, Diwi, 11:03:30, 9/06/2001, (#42) Diwi, nice work!, Ayeka, 11:24:27, 9/06/2001, (#43) Diwi, Harley, 11:35:10, 9/06/2001, (#44) That was, Florida, 11:45:22, 9/06/2001, (#45) v_p..., cappuccina, 12:41:34, 9/06/2001, (#47) Diwi, austingirl, 12:47:11, 9/06/2001, (#48) Is it possible to bring the Ransom Note over here...., DAWN, 13:02:02, 9/06/2001, (#49) What..., pinker, 02:06:27, 9/07/2001, (#50) pinker,, LurkerXIV, 08:53:10, 9/07/2001, (#53) We (at least I) was Saying, Harley, 08:36:15, 9/07/2001, (#52) Ad, doScubie, 08:33:10, 9/07/2001, (#51) pinker, austingirl, 09:03:59, 9/07/2001, (#55) Ad rates, janphi, 09:03:34, 9/07/2001, (#54) Thank you, janphi, LurkerXIV, 09:31:40, 9/07/2001, (#56) Me a fiscal consultant?, Ayeka, 11:46:49, 9/07/2001, (#57) DAWN, the JonBenét signature..., LabMom, 00:28:25, 9/09/2001, (#58) LabMom...brilliant..., DAWN, 03:57:24, 9/09/2001, (#60) ransom font signature, pinker, 03:04:49, 9/09/2001, (#59) Pinker..., DAWN, 04:00:58, 9/09/2001, (#61) BUMP, pinker, 07:43:50, 9/09/2001, (#62) 1.Ransom Note vs. JBR Ad Sig...2. JBR's Exemplars, Dunvegan, 02:15:25, 9/10/2001, (#63) Thanking you...Dun..., DAWN, 05:31:18, 9/10/2001, (#64) This is what I have regarding the heart in hand, Dunvegan, 05:36:55, 9/10/2001, (#65) Thank you Dun...why aren't you asleep...???, DAWN, 06:30:18, 9/10/2001, (#66) JBR wrote the Ransom note!, pinker, 07:15:59, 9/10/2001, (#67) wow, that comparison is uncanny, Shee, 10:19:54, 9/10/2001, (#68) Mothers are usually the ones..., LurkerXIV, 10:26:37, 9/10/2001, (#69) Thanks, Dun..., LabMom, 10:48:34, 9/10/2001, (#70) Hey I know, Nedthan Johns, 12:53:32, 9/10/2001, (#71) Patsy's writing, Mini, 13:47:34, 9/10/2001, (#72) Hmmmmm....mini,, LurkerXIV, 13:51:36, 9/10/2001, (#73) It;s easy to see, Nedthan Johns, 14:40:46, 9/10/2001, (#74) What exactly are you trying to spin here Nedthan....., DAWN, 14:58:46, 9/10/2001, (#75) Time out...A do over... , pinker, 03:33:36, 9/11/2001, (#76) ................................................................... "The Second Ramsey Foundation Ad" Posted by LurkerXIV on 08:50:20 9/05/2001 Here it is: http://www.geocities.com/lovelypigeon/jbr_ad_august.JPG What do you think? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Ha! Lurker" Posted by Watching you on 09:20:03 9/05/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:20:03, 9/05/2001 I just saw this over yonder. What do I think? "I'm glad someone cared enough to send in a new tip?" Or whatevertheheck it said. Well, we know who that someone was and what that tip was - underdrawers, hahaha. I think these ads are sickening. Is that what you asked? I think they are absolutely tasteless - why use JBR that way? If they have to do this, why not speak adult language, not put words in a dead little girls mouth. Say, this would have been JonBenet's first day of school is whatever grade. Oh, and BTW, it almost five years since JB was murdered in her own home with only her parents and brother in residence. If this guy is so dangerous, where's he been for the past five years? Who has he murdered? Sexually assaulted? Creepy crawled through the house to snatch another little girl and leave her in the basement of her parents' home? What do I think? This just fries my buttinski. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "the url leads to yahoo screen" Posted by Shee on 09:20:55 9/05/2001 can't see ad, but let me not forget my manners again and THANK YOU for posting it, describing it and commenting on it Shee [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "I wonder if the ad" Posted by Florida on 09:33:51 9/05/2001 drew any response from readers of The Daily Camera. Any Boulderites out there who can check? Wonder if the BPD was inundated with calls from tipsters. Wonder why this dangerous guy has never killed again in almost 5 years. Wonder why they are continuing this farce. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Try this one" Posted by janphi on 09:37:02 9/05/2001 http://www.geocities.com/lovelypigeon/ad_august.html [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "well," Posted by Thor on 09:42:20 9/05/2001 let's just say I was ready to go to lunch pretty soon here, but not anymore. I saw that crapola. Florida, good questions. Especially, why are they continuing this farce? They know what happened that night. What are they trying to prove after 5 years? There is no dangerous, unknown, person out there on the loose. Why don't Beckner & Keenan get off their asses and shut these people up once & for all? Every time they have a fake burglary or stupid ass ads like this pop up, it is an insult to our intelligence. Loose Mitts was sent out earlier this year to do their dirty work, and this crap just continues. I've had it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Ad" Posted by doScubie on 09:50:39 9/05/2001 Puke! The last paragraph tells it all. Usually the opposite of what's written, tells the real truth. The ad states "until he's caught" --> means it's a "she". The comment about people being in danger --> No One is in danger, except those who live with Patsy, IMO. : ) Thanks for the picture. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Everyone?" Posted by vic on 10:03:56 9/05/2001 It says "until he is caught, everyone is in danger." There they go with the drama again. There is no "danger" to anyone and anyone with half a brain should be able to see that. Does "everyone" mean the killa has branched out to include little boys, old women, grown men? Will he be bashing, molesting, kidnapping, note-writing, strangling? A combination or these or perhaps something new? I don't think this ad will strike fear in the hearts of Boulderites. Maybe sorrow for a dead little girl and a thought or two about their police department and prosecutor and the Ramsey's themselves. But tips? No. There are no tips, just two guilty, lying, hiding parents. Oh, yeah and one code sixer. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "I am " Posted by Tricia on 09:58:54 9/05/2001 sick to my stomach. Patsy believes her delusion that some wild eyed intruder killed JonBenet. I am sure by this time she has convinced herself of it. Although the Ramsey can claim other people have put together this ad we all know it has their sickening sweet crapola all over it. So were is this wild eyed pedophile who crawls into homes, sexually assaults kids, leaves them in the basement with a rope around their necks, leaves beaver fur from the mom's boots on the tape stuck to the kids mouths, writes a note using the pen and paper from the victims house and is able to match the mom's writing style? Where is this guy? Why hasn't he appeared again? I wonder if the tip is the frozen underwear Jammy kept in her freezer? Remind me not to eat anything from Jammy's freezer ok? Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "disgusting propaganda" Posted by austingirl on 10:11:34 9/05/2001 Was it Stalin who said "repeat any lie loud enough and often enough and people will start to believe it"? Well, we know the Ramseys have probably convinced themselves that they did not commit this crime. It is possible, over time, through denial and blocking, to rewrite reality, which I believe they've done. Now, they are out to convince the world. I think that is what accounts for the bizarre time lag here. Wouldn't these ads have been more appropriate four and half years ago? Who in the world believes this slavering pedophile/ransom kidnapper/small foreign faction member/John Ramsey enemy/danger to everyone is out there now, after no activity for over four and half years? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "yep, 2nd one worked" Posted by Shee on 10:04:30 9/05/2001 I am almost sorry. Geesh, what a creepy ad and letter. I feel like sending a response, 'don't worry, we won't stop until your killer[s] are caught'....send in to jp leads indeed! What are they thinking! Funny, peanut butter and grape jelly is what we serve here in ye olde homeless shelter.....Patsy I think you are full of shady would be truths which smell to high heaven! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "IMHO" Posted by Diwi on 10:03:40 9/05/2001 I find this rather sad, sick, and pathetic, most notably the first person text and the reference to Jameson. I showed this "ad" to several people at work and all said it was quite ridiculous. I'd like to know how much money the Ramseys have after all of those "undisclosed settlements," and why a good portion of that isn't going into a real reward, real investigations (not internet sleuths who collect soiled undies), an independent and state monitored exhumation, and on and on. Oh well, I'll take some pepto and be fine... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Diwi ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "oh yeah, jameson" Posted by Shee on 10:08:32 9/05/2001 that was truly AMAZING!!!!!! truly astounding.....I bet she got a check too. Has anyone any way to discover if she [jameson]is in fact on their [ramsey's] payroll? Gosh, that fake underwear dna deal is got to be the highest level of crap I imagine has ever piled up. I betcha it turns out to be some poor schlub who is a friend of a friend's ex who jameson said 'get me his undies and I'll fix him.....' UUUUGGGGHHH.....jameson shame on you and ramseys you stoop to new lows [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Ad" Posted by doScubie on 10:41:05 9/05/2001 I find it funny that they mention this new evidence. They bought it and sent it, IMO, in a round-about way. Everyone knows that, so their mention of it in the ad, means nothing. It just reinforces the proof that they will stop at nothing (and I do mean nothing) to keep pointing fingers at anything but the truth. Man, I can't believe anyone would actually print this. Doesn't this person care about JB? I know the parents don't. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "I've had absobloodylutely enough of all this shitski..." Posted by DAWN on 10:56:31 9/05/2001 ...Not only will the Rammeringtonskisteds feel my huge amount of "saved up" spittle...they now have no choice...but to feel the warmth of my puke as well... The time has come to STOP THIS CRUD!!! ...Sorry all...just venting...feel quite relaxed...and happy...NOT!! dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "a question or two" Posted by fly on 11:06:29 9/05/2001 So I guess all of you think the Ramseys should just do nothing? Seems like I've seen them loudly criticized for that, and for going about some semblance of a normal life. What do you realistically think they should be doing? Is it the actual content of the ad that has some of you so riled up, or just the fact that any ad asking for the public's help has been released? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "realistically" Posted by vic on 11:22:27 9/05/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:22:27, 9/05/2001 They should be now and always, be working with the police. They should be realistically working towards helping the people they have claimed to want to help, children. Their "foundation" doesn't really fit that bill. Realistically, they should just shut up about themselves and how poorly they've been treated and focus on their dead child. The content of the ad is tacky but had that ad been placed 4 years ago, along with real cooperation, I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "working with the police" Posted by fly on 11:36:33 9/05/2001 What would you have them do to help the police? They have already been questioned at length. Their investigators supposedly are giving the police leads they obtain. No question, they should have gone in to talk to the police much, much quicker than they did, but that is beside the point now. What would they have to add now? Are the police really so eager to get them back in for further questioning? They get trashed for giving the police the names of people that might warrant investigation. They get trashed for running ads that might get the public thinking about the crime (afterall, the BPD doesn't exactly have it on a front burner, and there's essentially no coverage in the media any more). They get trashed for doing nothing. They basically get trashed for anything and everything they do (and do not do). The ads are tacky, no doubt. But I just don't see much justification for the kind of reactions some people are posting here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Rams didn't place the ad.." Posted by v_p on 11:29:44 9/05/2001 According to Limpwood, (Vicki) Emery discussed the ad with John and Patsy Ramsey but -- quote -- ``it was done on her own volition.'' The above was written about the August 6th ad... I can't help but believe the same applies to the second ad. I'm interested in the heart with her signature. I could be wrong, but I could have sworn JR said on LKL that the heart was a very good clue. I can't look it up just now... I'm working... honest. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "...Veeeeeeeeeeep xxxxxx" Posted by DAWN on 11:37:33 9/05/2001 Is it possible to find out if guilty-lickerboy...said that...about the heart...??? Can we get to read it...??? ...Because...this is just beginning to make me feel dizzy...firstly it is common knowledge that Pattnersted drew little hearts on JonBenets palm...often...did she have one drawn on her hand the night of the White's Christmas Party...??? ...It looks like they are beginning to really trip over their own bellbottom trousers... Remember when I first saw the No:1 Ad...and I couldn't believe the balls THAT mum had...??? If they keep on tripping up like this...things will be very easy for Steve... dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Who is Vicki Emery?" Posted by Ayeka on 12:07:41 9/05/2001 If that's been discussed before I must have missed it. How is it that this person owns the copyright on a photo of JonBenet? I think what bothers me most about this ad is the first person voice and the fact that the text basically makes it sound like JonBenet's accusing The World of not doing enough to send in tips. I rather take offense someone putting words like that in a murder victim's -- child's -- mouth. I know it's a matter of interpreting facts but I don't believe that the Ramseys spent as much time with the police as they should have, soon enough. And the later q&a sessions were moderated beyond belief. (It's just my opinion and of course it colours my take on these ads.) Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "hey fly" Posted by Texan on 12:48:47 9/05/2001 How about if they offered to be questioned without playing "let's make a deal"? How about if they answered all the questions. Seems to me that last time they claimed to cooperate things broke down because they didn't want to answer certain questions. I don't think people would be so against them if they would have agreed to a polygraph given by the FBI. If they were truly innocent I don't think they would be worried that the FBI would be unfair to them. They have no reason to be. If they really want the police to move past their suspicions: 1. Have an interview with the police, no negotiating who gets to do the questioning, no bargaining for a peek at transcripts and evidence, have the interview at the police station and most of all answer the questions that are asked. 2.Take an FBI sponsored polygraph, without bargaining. 3.Set up a realistic reward fund. I have very little money or assets and could probably come up with a better reward than these wealthy people. 4. Do some real good with their foundation. 5.Stop appearing so self-centered with each appearance they make. They are only hurting themselves because of their attitude. Maybe they should stay off the T.V. I think these suggestions are within their ability to accomplish and might cause a change in public attitude. Of course you are right in that it is already a little too late to do some things they should have done sooner but it's not too late to start focusing on what happened to their daughter rather than focusing on the effect of what happened to her has had on their lives. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Hi Ayeka..." Posted by cappuccina on 12:27:53 9/05/2001 Vicky Emery lives in Charlevoix, MI: http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?FirstName=v*&LastName=emery&City=charlevoix&State=mi I believe she is a friend of the Ramseys... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "tasteless" Posted by pinker on 12:38:23 9/05/2001 Only a mother would know what was packed in the backpack. Only Patsy could have written that ad. And since when is Patsy is singing the praises of the BPD? 'Someone cared enough' to send them a tip, geeze louise Patsy why don't ya go down there and answer simple questions yourself, without an attorney, without John, just YOU. Actually it's odder that you've never gone to ASK questions.... And we have that heart again, the killer's signature. In Patsy's mind JonBenet is able to speak with Patsy so I wonder why she hasn't asked her who whacked her. To afraid to hear the truth. Patsy may be psychotic to the point that she believes the My Twinn doll IS JonBenet. Patsy, you need help, dead children don't talk and they don't play with toys.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "beyond freaky" Posted by pinker on 14:23:15 9/05/2001 This must be some kind of omen. I just got a My Twinn catalogue in the mail... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "capp" Posted by v_p on 12:33:55 9/05/2001 >>The ad in the Daily Camera of Boulder, Colorado, today was paid for by Vicki Emery of Minnesota. She's a friend of the Ramseys<< From an article at WSB radio website. Interesting. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "I am honestly" Posted by Watching you on 12:33:10 9/05/2001 uncomfortable with the using of JonBenet's "voice" for these ads. Let this organization appeal to the public for help adult to adult - not with the use of a dead child's words. That annoys me. And, because I believe the Ramseys were involved in the death and subsequent staging and forevermore coverup of the daughter, yes, I find the whole thing hypocritical. I admit my foibles. So shoot me. I'm biased. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Unbelievable to me" Posted by JR on 12:54:21 9/05/2001 Why not have an ad that say's please remember our child. She was murdered and her murderer has never been caught nor paid for the crime? Simply more exploitation of JonBenet IMHO but tigers can't change their stripes. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "v-p" Posted by Jerrya on 13:43:21 9/05/2001 I'm interested in the heart with her signature. I could be wrong, but I could have sworn JR said on LKL that the heart was a very good clue. Funny v-p the first thought that came in my head when I read the ad & seen the heart with her signature was, where did I hear this before. But I'm not sure if it was Larry King? Where was it?? Guess I'm having one of those senior thingy's. wish I were a young turk. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "My 2 cents" Posted by Bitsy on 13:30:32 9/05/2001 One of the most beautiful pictures of JonBenet that I have seen. Another turtleneck covering her neck - hmmm. The signature does not look like that of a six year old and it also looks like a sharpie pen was used, which kids don't usually use, in my experience. The reference to the Jameson "evidence" is pathetic. Sometimes I think these people are just nuts!!! I mean really psychotic, not just a little kookie. jmho [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "A bit more..." Posted by Diwi on 13:46:18 9/05/2001 This "ad" is typical of how (I believe) the Rams and their supporters (both legal and otherwise), seem to take the public for fools. We know that they have settled several lawsuits for undisclosed funds, and yet, take a look at their lifestyle and a look at the "reward amount" at: http://www.ramseyfamily.com How long has that $100K amount remained unchanged? I think that's rather outrageous. And the website itself has very little information on it, and no real "new" information, no real links, no nothing. Click on "Profile" and you get five short items of who the killer(s) "may" be (now changed in the ad I noticed to "he"). "May" be to whom? Click on the stungun pix in the "Evidence" section and you get two LOUSY pictures, and NO information. Finally, click on the "Contact" link and you get this aged doublespeak about the "authorities" not doing anything, and SO "her family" is taking it all in their own hands with this website. But the website is a joke, no? Who's running this thing? Hell, how easy is it to update a web site? And how can you settle several multi-million suits and not put a penny of those undisclosed amounts into the "official" reward amount? And what about this new ad? Why in the world do you place words into the mouth of a dead child as it does, first-person? Totally tasteless. The second paragraph especially, which is an obvious reference to Jameson. So, what's Jon Benet saying here (from the beyond?), that she's "glad" that someone "cared" enough to dig up old undies from a disgruntled ex-girlfriend of a possible suspect and send it off to the BPD? Possibly violating the person's constitutional rights in the process. And what does that imply, that critics of Jams and her supporters and their methodologies somehow do NOT "care" about Jon Benet? If they wanted to run a non-tasteless ad, and gain public sympathy and support, I could think of a dozen or so OTHER ways than this. All this does is continue to make the Ramseys look totally out of it and clueless about how they are perceived and only gives their harshest critics a lot more ammo to work with. It's a highly deceptive ad just because of the picture next to the first person text alone. Jon Benet is dead. She did NOT write that. There is no way anyone can think that THIS is what she might say or think at this point. How crude. It's almost as if the child herself has just become a "concept" or "symbol" now for the Ram's, Jam's, and their supporter's agenda. Hell, the link couldn't even be placed on an ad-free site, but one on Geocities with pop ups for arcade games and beany babies. Sheesh. The little heart and "JBR font" at the end ices this tasteless cake. I wonder if Jon Benet could REALLY say something, what SHE would say at the bottom of this ad, maybe something like, "Believe me folks, I had NOTHING to do with this silly ad!" What a circus...and I have a feeling we ain't seen nothing yet. End of mini-rant. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Diwi ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Diwi...Applause, Applause!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 17:32:15 9/05/2001 My sentiments exactly. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "$$$ ???" Posted by pinker on 14:19:53 9/05/2001 Anyone know how much it would cost for the JW community to take out a similar display ad? Something to motivate people to become pro active concerning abused and murdered children. To move the case along and expose real facts. The emphasis would be on JonBenet but in the end other innocent kids could benefit. That ad only ran in Boulder? Wouldn't the Denver Post have been a better choice? What would they charge. I know Dun has some sort of mail campaign going maybe this could be an extension of that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Pinker: We're already costing out JW ads..." Posted by Dunvegan on 17:36:41 9/05/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:36:41, 9/05/2001 ...to appear direcly across the page from the Ramsey ads. We expect to begin this anit-disinformaton capagine very soon. If you would like to participate in the counter-ad campaign, please write me: Dunvegan@JusticcWatch.com. It is felt that these ads should no go unanswered, but done so in a non-antagonistic manner. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dunvegan ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "LP says " Posted by Florida on 14:45:34 9/05/2001 the Ramsey's provided the text and the picture and V.Emery provided the cash. A joint effort. The text is plainly maudlin and really doesn't engender the sympathy of the reader. If they are going to take this tact they should get a professional who knows how to do it without making an audience gag. "And, my darling Scarlett, wasn't it wonderful that "some" tipster sent in that DNA to the police in an attempt to help us? Maybe our first ad had something to do with it?" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Yeah" Posted by Jellyjaws on 16:48:05 9/05/2001 Yeah, and, I almost scarfed my coffee when Fox News mentioned that "Jameson" had new evidence. What a joke! Hi, Lurker. :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "I " Posted by Tricia on 20:42:18 9/05/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:42:18, 9/05/2001 think the Ramseys don't know when to quit. Bring on more ad's John and Patsy. the ad's let all of the public know how twisted you are. Who want's to bet the next ad's will be Halloween, Thanksgiving and Dec 26th? Anyone? Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "thanks janphi" Posted by purr on 19:37:34 9/05/2001 i was able to see the ad you posted...... and all i can say is. that was just plain creepy. creepy crawly creepy......... they need to change ad agencies. i hate the "first person" aspect of the ads....like jonbenet herself is talking.... just plain creepy crawly! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Unbelievable" Posted by ACandyRose on 01:53:56 9/06/2001 I just keep looking at the two ads placed so far and I just keep shaking my head in total amazement. I just don't understand how these people think. The photos of JonBenet are beautiful but the ad's are absolutely tasteless and this second ad about the tipster is just beyond words. What is the October one going to say, "I loved dressing up on Halloween. One year I was sexy witch!" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL ACandyRose ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "The tips" Posted by Florida on 10:33:16 9/06/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:33:16, 9/06/2001 they are getting from these ads are just awesome: 1. A tipster has uncovered a pair of Hi-Tec Boots. Citizens of CO, I beg you, leave your old Hi-Tec's in the trunk of Lou's DeLorean - let's leave no sole unturned in pursuit of the killa! 2. Someone else called in a tip about a criminal being caught in a false alibi and could be a reasonable suspect because "he was close enough".. This is a really good tip - a criminal who gives a false alibi and was "close enough" (in Boulder? in Colorado?, in the USA?). Finally, with her usual humility, Jameson says: "For the record I don't believe they were referring to my "tip" in the ad. LOLOL, Right! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Ad" Posted by doScubie on 10:02:42 9/06/2001 Did anyone notice that the word "first" is repeated very often in the first part of the AD? It struck a memory for me...the repetitive mention of early and earlier in the ransom note. I think this is a very strong comparison. These messages are coming straight from Patster herself. Sick! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Yes, Pure Patster-Speak" Posted by LurkerXIV on 10:17:34 9/06/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:17:34, 9/06/2001 So cloying, so fake. She doesn't give a rip about JonBenet's memory. All she cares about is avoiding the penalty for her crime. I think the idea for a counter-ad is good. Please contact me, Dun, when you decide to do it. I would like to make a contribution. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "I am totally up for that..." Posted by DAWN on 11:54:06 9/06/2001 ...I would love to contribute to a counter-ad...please let us do it!!! dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Alternative Ad" Posted by Diwi on 11:03:30 9/06/2001 This took me about 10 minutes to make with Paint Shop Pro. THIS is in much better taste I think. IMHO (as always) http://www.angelfire.com/mn/othercat/jbrad.html [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Diwi ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Diwi, nice work!" Posted by Ayeka on 11:24:27 9/06/2001 That is what I call a classy ad. Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Diwi" Posted by Harley on 11:35:10 9/06/2001 Maybe the Ramsey's should hire you. Very nice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "That was" Posted by Florida on 11:45:22 9/06/2001 lovely, Diwi, and exactly the way the ads should be done. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "v_p..." Posted by cappuccina on 12:41:34 9/06/2001 Yes, there is a Vicki Emery in Minneapolis...There, the listing is also with a "Sidney Emery"....Perhaps it is the same "Vicki Emery", and they have two homes, a la the Rams...?? We could always call and find out! LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Diwi" Posted by austingirl on 12:47:11 9/06/2001 Your ad is so much more appropriate than the one put up by the Emery/Ramsey group. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Is it possible to bring the Ransom Note over here...???" Posted by DAWN on 13:02:02 9/06/2001 ...And just compare writing...and heart...??? Something doesn't feel right...I would like to see the note and that "new" signature...side-by-side...please can anyone help...??? dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "What..." Posted by pinker on 02:06:27 9/07/2001 Why did some of you like Diwi's ad? I thought it sucked. It directs the reader to the lame Ramsey website complete with 'definitive' proof that a stun gun was used and crap about the bondage doll 'evidence'. Any tip generated should go to the BPD or FBI not the Ramseys or their cohorts in Minnesota. The ad Patsy wrote reflects her twisted psyche where they apparently live in a world with a talking breathing JonBenet. No wonder they haven't cooperated in finding the killer. They're still be in a stage of denial. They'll never be able to accept the fact they killed her. RE post #35, sounds like there's a secret forum, I've never seen any threads or postings about counter ads... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "pinker," Posted by LurkerXIV on 08:53:10 9/07/2001 Yes, there is a secret forum, but we left you out because you flamed us so badly in the WOR! ;) Seriously, this has been mentioned on other threads and in email. It would be nice to get it together for the fifth anniversary of JonBenet's death. A tasteful In Memoriam, letting everyone know that there are many people all over the world who remember this beautiful little child, and are still looking for justice for her. Maybe Dunvegan can start a thread, when the time is right. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "We (at least I) was Saying" Posted by Harley on 08:36:15 9/07/2001 that the way DIWI wrote the add is the way the Ramsey's should have written it. Not that we agreed with what the add or the Ramsey website for that matter said. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Ad" Posted by doScubie on 08:33:10 9/07/2001 It's much more tasteful than Patsy's sick ad, but I would put a little stronger spin on the suspicion of the parents, instead of it sounding like we are all in the same boat. Because I for one, am NOT in the same boat as the Scams and never will be. And, I really doubt they love her like we do. But very nicely done. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "pinker" Posted by austingirl on 09:03:59 9/07/2001 I agree with what Harley is saying in post #52 about Diwi's ad. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Ad rates" Posted by janphi on 09:03:34 9/07/2001 I finally got someone to answer our questions about ad rates in the Daily Camera. .... For an OTO (One Time Only), open rate ad, black and white: .... Full page=6 col. x 21.5" .... $25.29/col inch daily b/w Full page (129 col inches)= $3,262.41 daily .... $32.66/ col inch - Sunday Full page (129 col inches)= $4,213.14 Sunday .... 10% charitable discount--will work with us, since we don't intend to make a profit, just want to make a statement .... Camera-ready art Sunday deadline - Wednesday 5pm Daily deadline - two days previous .... Would need several more days' lead time for Editorial Board to look over and approve copy for a statement ad .... Column width = 1.83" 6col = 11.625" .... Section placement Sec A guaranteed placement- Surcharge: $27.82/col in daily - $36.14/col in Sun Local News - same demos without surcharge C Section is Local News--can request, no guarantee, will work with us .... More measurements 5 col. x11.5" - tabloid 5 col. x14" would take up a major portion of the page without paying full-page cost 2 col=3.79" 3 col=5.75" 4 col=7.7" 5 col=9.66" [Example: 5x14=70 col in=$1,770.30 daily; $2,286.20 Sunday ROP] .... There are several tabloid sections, such as Business and Entertainnment, in which a full page would obviously cost less because of smaller size (but readership is less) .... Total Paid Circulation 35,000 Daily 45,000 Sunday .... Contact: Inside Sales Department John Cornish 303-473-1429 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Thank you, janphi" Posted by LurkerXIV on 09:31:40 9/07/2001 You always come up with detailed, well-researched answers for us. To me, that seems like an awful lot of money for a one-shot deal. Couldn't we reach a greater number of people for a longer time for less money with a billboard ad? But....Boulder probably doesn't have billboards because it's aesthetically incorrect. We should get fiscal consultants janab and Ayeka on this! Bet they could find us a bargain. This may be difficult thing to do. We're such ornery opinionated folk here...how could we ever get everyone to agree on the copy, photo layout, placement etc.? These ideas for awareness projects come up every so often, but I have only seen a few of them carried out....like Ruthee's bumperstickers, and catnip's lapel buttons (which were done at personal expense). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Me a fiscal consultant?" Posted by Ayeka on 11:46:49 9/07/2001 hahahahaha... :) I am good at finding bargains but no way am I a fiscal genius. :) Pinker, in a perfect world, the Ramsey website would be a treasure trove of information about their daughter's murder, with links to contact police officials and the FBI. I was viewing Diwi's classy ad with that little fantasy in mind. Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "DAWN, the JonBenét signature..." Posted by LabMom on 00:28:25 9/09/2001 .....in the ad struck me as looking very similar to the printing on the ransom note, too (I assume that's what you were referring to), so I spelled out JB's name in Ransom font, and looked at them side-by-side on my computer. The similarity really creeped me out! I wish I could post them here for you to see....maybe someone else will be able to. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "LabMom...brilliant..." Posted by DAWN on 03:57:24 9/09/2001 Yes...the "new" ad signature...including the heart...looks so bloomin' creepy beside the ramski note...it put the wind up me... Thank you for agreeing with me on this... dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "ransom font signature" Posted by pinker on 03:06:37 9/09/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 03:06:37, 9/09/2001 Good catch LabMom and Dawn, beyond creepy...Is the person who penned that signature also responsible for the ransom note? The document examiners should be consulted again. And we desperately need to have the two documents posted side by side for comparison. Calling all or any computer nerds. Please start a thread. It will be interesting to compare JonBenet's signature on her new line of greeting cards with this one. Does anyone have her signature on artwork/schoolwork and can they post that? Did she really put that caret punctuation mark over the letter e? Seems advanced for a kindergardner who couldn't read. All are forgiven for stepping outside the box and showing approval for Diwi's ad. The Ramseys certainly wouldn't approve of it. Their ads gives as little info and direction as possible. Just like their book. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Pinker..." Posted by DAWN on 04:00:58 9/09/2001 ...Is there a way of merging these two images together...on this forum...??? I would love to study these again... ...Also I would like to see a transcript with anything the Rammerkinstebbingsteds have said about hearts...victory...etc...because it looks like they are tripping up again... dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "BUMP" Posted by pinker on 07:43:50 9/09/2001 This seems like such a vital connection. Seems like the internet warrants about the handyman with no sense of direction have stolen the thunder. Smoke, mirrors and diversions... Again can some computer literate smartie pie please post the ad signature with the RN for comparison, and Dawn wants to see the hand heart and the ad heart side by side. Thanks. Why isn't this more important than the internet hoax...I hope the BPD is looking into this too. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "1.Ransom Note vs. JBR Ad Sig...2. JBR's Exemplars" Posted by Dunvegan on 02:15:25 9/10/2001 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Thanking you...Dun..." Posted by DAWN on 05:33:02 9/10/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 05:33:02, 9/10/2001 ...Although this has put me off my breakfast...I wanted to see it..now what do you think...??? dawn Dun...is it possible to get a photo of the hearts together now...??? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "This is what I have regarding the heart in hand" Posted by Dunvegan on 05:36:55 9/10/2001 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "Thank you Dun...why aren't you asleep...???" Posted by DAWN on 06:30:18 9/10/2001 ...It is still shluffy time no...??? Remember I am six or so hours ahead...!!! Please rest...you are very valid... ...Now...even though the heart on the little one's hand is faded...or "rubbed out"...the overall style...I think...looks the same... The signature from the recent ad...and the writing from the Ramski note...DO look exactly the same...I am not blind...nor stupid...and also...I am an artist...so I can tell the difference between fonts...and lilts...and to me...these are similar...if not the same...what do you think...??? (But tell me when you have rested...) Brilliant stuff...can we get any more comparisons...of Puksties writing...John's writing...and the Ramski note...all mixed together...??? Speak later... dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "JBR wrote the Ransom note!" Posted by pinker on 07:15:59 9/10/2001 NOT...but whoever penned her name for that ad may have. Looks very similar. I'd like to see a search warrant issued for the Ramseys to come up with the original for what they claim to be her signature. When pigs fly... Thanks Dun. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "wow, that comparison is uncanny" Posted by Shee on 10:19:54 9/10/2001 I sure do wonder who signed the signature........I sure do..... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Mothers are usually the ones..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 10:26:37 9/10/2001 ...who first teach their little ones how to write their names. There is usually a resemblance of the mother's printing in the child's early signatures. Yes, I would say that Patsy wrote the sigs on the ads....and also the ransom note (but then we all knew THAT). Hi, docg! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "Thanks, Dun..." Posted by LabMom on 10:48:34 9/10/2001 Seeing the heart and the printing displayed side by side certainly reinforces my initial reaction....the similarity is undeniable. DAWN....interesting that we both locked on this at the same time...thinking in sync...I love it when that happens!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Hey I know" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 12:53:32 9/10/2001 Maybe they made JonBenet write that ransom note before they murdered her? You guys are tooooo much! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Patsy's writing" Posted by Mini on 13:47:34 9/10/2001 No way would Patsy sign the ad in a script that's so similar to the ransom note. She knows exactly what it looks like and would never incriminate herself so obviously. The more likely scenario is that someone else wrote it and when the similarity is pointed out, she can say, "See! Lots of people's handwriting resembles the ransom note." It would be a very smart tactic with the upcoming ST lawsuit. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "Hmmmmm....mini," Posted by LurkerXIV on 13:51:36 9/10/2001 Great thinking. You are incredibly good at getting inside the criminal mind of Patsy Ramsey! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "It;s easy to see" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 14:40:46 9/10/2001 That the handwriting of JonBenet's is similar to the ransom note. So YES, if the ransom note can be similar to JB's then the same could be said for many others including Patsy. Remember she was almost ruled out. It's hard for me to believe she did write it since handwriting experts had 2 1/2 pages to work from and still couldn't possitively identify her as the author. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "What exactly are you trying to spin here Nedthan...." Posted by DAWN on 14:58:46 9/10/2001 ...Everybody knows that Pukester was the ONLY person who could not be totally omitted... dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "Time out...A do over... " Posted by pinker on 03:36:53 9/11/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 03:36:53, 9/11/2001 When the document examiners had their say there had been no revelation that Patsy was ambidextrious. Yes she was 'tested' writting with both hands but not with the examiners having the knowledge she COULD write with both hands. That would affect the interpretation. That switch hitting fact was discovered earlier this year. This makes all the previous conclusions invalid. Printing is far less revealing than script which is why there was no obvious author to pin it on. Those specialists should be referred to again now that we have this new signature which looks penned by the same hand and the additional factor that Patsy is known to be ambidextrious. And Mini, psychologically many believe Patsy needs to and wants to confess. That's why she always shows up on TV with an elaborate neck accessory. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE