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FW Libel Case II, Seashell, 02:20:27, 9/06/2000 ***********, lake, 02:39:52, 9/06/2000, (#1) Fleet White, rose, 11:40:06, 9/06/2000, (#2) civil vs. criminal, Edie Pratt, 11:45:23, 9/06/2000, (#3) Eddie....., rose, 12:00:47, 9/06/2000, (#5) One unanswered question, Seashell, 11:54:30, 9/06/2000, (#4) Seashell...., rose, 12:05:45, 9/06/2000, (#8) But Seashell, Gemini, 12:03:49, 9/06/2000, (#7) Link to 1st Thread, Chris, 12:02:41, 9/06/2000, (#6) Chris and Gem...., rose, 12:23:59, 9/06/2000, (#9) Criminal vs. Civil, MJenn, 12:57:22, 9/06/2000, (#10) Yes, Seashell, 02:06:03, 9/07/2000, (#11) Method to his madness?, Watching you, 09:10:28, 9/07/2000, (#12) WY, fly, 10:26:42, 9/07/2000, (#13) Fly, Watching you, 10:54:21, 9/07/2000, (#16) arrgh WY, Gemini, 10:33:13, 9/07/2000, (#14) Push button, Watching you, 11:02:30, 9/07/2000, (#17) no hider is he, Edie Pratt, 11:18:31, 9/07/2000, (#18) You Know, canadiana, 10:48:25, 9/07/2000, (#15) LOL WY, Gemini, 11:23:49, 9/07/2000, (#19) canadiana .., Dianne E., 11:41:20, 9/07/2000, (#22) Auntie Gem, Watching you, 11:37:58, 9/07/2000, (#20) ((WY)), Gemini, 11:39:34, 9/07/2000, (#21) What's Fleet Up To?, Lacey, 12:23:40, 9/07/2000, (#23) off the hook, Seashell, 12:53:24, 9/07/2000, (#26) Well then ..., Gemini, 12:37:48, 9/07/2000, (#24) Provocateur, Lacey, 12:56:17, 9/07/2000, (#28) Lacey, Gemini, 13:12:20, 9/07/2000, (#30) A Hero, Lacey, 13:38:18, 9/07/2000, (#31) boy, Gemini, Edie Pratt, 12:48:59, 9/07/2000, (#25) Edie Pratt, Gemini, 12:55:16, 9/07/2000, (#27) livelihood vs life, Edie Pratt, 13:10:00, 9/07/2000, (#29) GO LACEY!!, Ribaldone, 14:02:57, 9/07/2000, (#36) Chit Ribaldone, Gemini, 14:13:58, 9/07/2000, (#38) Edie and Lacey, Gemini, 13:59:09, 9/07/2000, (#34) Forgive me, Gem, for I have sniped, Edie Pratt, 14:17:31, 9/07/2000, (#39) I've never thought, Florida, 13:39:55, 9/07/2000, (#32) Come on Gem, lake, 13:57:09, 9/07/2000, (#33) Florida and Lake, Gemini, 14:08:09, 9/07/2000, (#37) Lake,, gaiabetsy, 14:01:59, 9/07/2000, (#35) No fightin from me, Gem, Ribaldone, 14:58:39, 9/07/2000, (#41) Ribaldone and Edie, Gemini, 15:36:07, 9/07/2000, (#42) gbetsy, lake, 14:53:05, 9/07/2000, (#40) FBI...., rose, 23:39:39, 9/08/2000, (#43) rose.., Dianne E., 13:56:44, 9/09/2000, (#44) ................................................................... "FW Libel Case II" Posted by Seashell on 02:20:27 9/06/2000 I may be dense but I don't get it. Why isn't his father bringing suit since it was he that MW alluded to? I never heard any news report saying anything libelous about FW Jr. And why would anyone on the forum be targeted rather than MW, her lawyer and those key players? And even those people are iffy, since MW seemed to not be sure about certain things. Carol M. did a short report and mentioned FW Sr., but the statement was not said as fact - but that it was being investigated. Even Hunter took it seriously. I don't get it. What's he defending? Has he become a pariah in Boulder? I wish he'd spend his efforts bringing the killer/s to justice. Maybe he is and we just don't know it. He certainly tried in the past. Has he targeted Hunter too? I would think his first lawsuit would be against the Ramseys who pointed the finger at him as the possible perp. Why isn't he suing them? As I said, I don't get it. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "***********" Posted by lake on 02:39:52 9/06/2000 http://www.justicewatch.com/jw/jonbenet/177.html [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Fleet White" Posted by rose on 11:40:06 9/06/2000 I truly feel that White believes that MW was a set up to destroy his reputation in the public eye. Otherwise he would have taken this issue to civil court. IMHO,he is looking for criminal charges to be brought against persons who perhaps were up to no good. White has always had my respect and good will. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "civil vs. criminal" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:45:23 9/06/2000 doesn't civil mean $, criminal mean principle of the matter? Does FW stand to gain monetarily, or is he only after justice? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Eddie....." Posted by rose on 12:00:47 9/06/2000 That was my first thoughts when I heard of that huge report that was sent to the DA's office by the BPD. Other wise he would have sued the paper in civil court. I truly believe that is why he took this through the criminal courts. It would be wonderful to see that BPD report that the special prosecutor is reviewing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "One unanswered question" Posted by Seashell on 11:54:30 9/06/2000 Then maybe he should be going after the Ramseys! Maybe. The question is, who put MW up to coming forward? Not Boyles, not Carol M, not the forum, not the newspaper. Not even the TV stations. There's something pervasive and evil behind this. Didn't her story come out suspiciously around one of the Ramsey media blitzes? I remember feeling very suspicious, becuz every time the Ramseys are about to try to prove their innocence, someone gets tossed under the bus. Why isn't Fleet going after the initial problem? If my neighbor's dog poops on my lawn, I don't go after the dog. I go to my neighbor. FW's action makes no sense to me. I understand his anger, but I think he's going after the wrong people. He's putting a bandaid on an infected sore rather than getting at the infection. The Ramseys seem to be at the base of most or all of the destruction of reputations. Doesn't he see that? This puzzles me. If I were FW, I'd make it a life mission to find out who put MW up to coming forward. That shouldn't be too hard. If he's worked so much with the BPD on this, certainly he has an idea - and yet he targets the small fry....I don't get it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Seashell...." Posted by rose on 12:05:45 9/06/2000 IMHO, he is going after who he thinks organized this MW's claims. Why else take this through the criminal courts. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "But Seashell" Posted by Gemini on 12:03:49 9/06/2000 maybe the whole purpose is to take the press to court. Wouldn't MW have to be a witness? Perhaps White wants to get it all out, and a trial is the best way open to him. A civil suit would likely be settled out of court ... if only by a retraction and apology. A criminal complaint could have been the best way to see everything opened up. It's going to be interesting to watch this one. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Link to 1st Thread" Posted by Chris on 12:02:41 9/06/2000 http://www.justicewatch.com/jw/jonbenet/169.html [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Chris and Gem...." Posted by rose on 12:23:59 9/06/2000 Chris, I see what you are saying. But I have always thought that libel charges were a civil matter and to take a case through a criminal court it was because the person filing the charges thougt it was a criminal act where criminal charges could be proved. Is there a lawyer in the house??????? Gem, that is another thing to consider. I too think this is going to be very interesting story to follow. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Criminal vs. Civil" Posted by MJenn on 12:57:22 9/06/2000 I think Gem has hit upon it. In a civil case, the investigation could be limited as to what the paper would be forced to reveal in the way of sources, wouldn't it? Or is it the same? What I'm wondering is whether the paper can be forced to disclose sources in a criminal investigation or trial that it would not be forced to disclose in a civil trial. Which would be a way to connect to someone who put this woman up to this, if in fact she was hired or induced in some way to point the finger away from the Ramseys. What would be the difference in having the police dept. investigate these sources versus having a private investigator hired by a civil attorney go after this? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Yes" Posted by Seashell on 02:06:03 9/07/2000 I see the points you're all making. Maybe this is the only way he CAN get at the source, if the source is the RST. I remember FW's words to JR: "I'll see you in court." Perhaps he and the BPD have been conspiring all these months to nail those Ramseys, but good. The Rams must be preparing for something big becuz of the insane dead perp story. They're clutching at old boots and running scared, I reckon! (I reckon? Lordy, I've been thinking about that posse too much)! Yep, this'll be very interesting. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Method to his madness?" Posted by Watching you on 09:10:28 9/07/2000 Oh yes, you'd better believe it. FW is not stupid. What? Do you honestly think this man has not researched every avenue open to him regarding this MW fiasco? FW does not appear to me to be the type to file frivolous criminal complaints. Rather, FW appears to be someone who will systematically go through certain steps until he reaches his goal. This criminal complaint/lawsuit, whatever it is, may be a preliminary preparation for something else. But, that's only specklelation on my part, and I shouldn't speckleate, I know. Trust me :-}. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "WY" Posted by fly on 10:26:42 9/07/2000 WY - You might be right, but I'm not entirely convinced FW necessarily thoroughly researched this. I first thought he surely would have consulted a lawyer, but then I thought about his ludicrous demands concerning Tracey. His anger about Tracey's crock might have been justified, but if he'd researched how tenure and Universities work, he'd have realized his demands had no chance. He might well have consulted a lawyer on this, but I suspect he might have just worked from his interpretation of how things ought to be and blasted away. We haven't seen any comment or any mention of a lawyer representing him, have we? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Fly" Posted by Watching you on 10:54:21 9/07/2000 I could tell you stories about *tenured profesors* that would make your hair curl. I could also tell you how they went down the road. But, that's a different story and a different day. There is the possibility, I suppose, that White really didn't know how tenure works. When I said researched, I should have included consulting with attorney, either as part of that research or using that attorney's expertise for all of the research. Is that clear as mud? I don't think I would rely on the fact that we haven't heard anything about his consulting an attorney. He doesn't exactly broadcast his business. I honestly don't know what he's up to, I just think he is. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "arrgh WY" Posted by Gemini on 10:33:13 9/07/2000 Why not speculate? The sticky part comes when folks present the speculation as *fact* ... then somebody reads it as fact and passes it along that way and ... well ... you get the picture ... I know you do. Fly, I don't think any of the cases in which FW went for retaliation (Hunter and Tracey, as examples) seemed impulsive. I get the impression he's a seether and a grudge holder ... vindictive as all get out (my impression), so it's possible he did research this to some extent. It doesn't seem to me he's all that smart, just a darn good hater. jmo of course (for good measure :-) ) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Push button" Posted by Watching you on 11:02:30 9/07/2000 on Gem, hahahahahahaha. Gem, speculation is a good thing as long as one is speculating about benign matters. Written speculation that causes pain to someone and infringes on their right to live in peace is not a good thing. Now, Gem, speaking of speculation, I think saying that FW is a damn good hater is a whole lot of speculation. I know it isn't presented as fact, but the next thing you know, someone is going to say, gd that FW, that damn no-good rotten child hater, damn him all to hell. You know how things tend to grow out of proportion... Now, serial, because I can be serial, you know, I don't really have a clue what FW's up to. Whatever it is, I hope he at least succeeds in bringing the truth out - I mean, he most likely would not be insisting on an investigation if he had something to hide, would he? Hey? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "no hider is he" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:18:31 9/07/2000 good point, WY! I don't recall FW fireing up the plane, nor taking refuge in another state, he has stayed put. Now, if he had something to hide, I'm sure he has enough money from those "little gas stations" of his to provide a comfy lifestyle, elsewhere. But, he is still in Boulder, hiding in plain sight. And, as far as being a good "hater" goes, WHO's to say that? I haven't seen one act of loathing on his part, nor have I seen him on tv, blaming the whole world for "going mad", lol. FW can hold his head up, he's got nothing to hide, unlike CERTAIN people we've come to know. And, besides, HIS kids are STILL alive, what's not to love there?:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "You Know" Posted by canadiana on 10:48:25 9/07/2000 I have wondered why the RST has never taken up the MW story. They have jumped on everything else, apparently even some dead man's shoes. Why have they not even mentioned MW? Of course I might have missed something. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "LOL WY" Posted by Gemini on 11:23:49 9/07/2000 That post (mine) was so weighted down with disclaimers it stuttered :-) . Let's just say he appears, to me, to be quite vindictive ... going simply by his past activity. I, also, hope he hangs in there long enough for the truth about this side-show to come to light. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "canadiana .." Posted by Dianne E. on 11:41:20 9/07/2000 ..the RST had little reason to fan the flames once the fire got going and the FW conspiracy theorists here took over. They (RST) could sit back and watch the witch hunt over Fleet White and his family take on a ugly disgusting turn and not have to utter a nasty word themselves. Perfect set up. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dianne E. ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Auntie Gem" Posted by Watching you on 11:41:09 9/07/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:41:09, 9/07/2000 Smooch Post Edit: Ha! You thought that was all there was, didn't you, LOL. Nopey, nope, nope, if I were FW, vindictive would be the mildest adjective you could use to describe me. Gol, Gem, I mean, if people had said about me what they said about him, God bless his little heart, I'm afraid I'd be in prison for physical assault upon the persons of so-and-sos. Man, I think the man has acted with tremendous restraint. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "((WY))" Posted by Gemini on 11:39:34 9/07/2000 :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "What's Fleet Up To?" Posted by Lacey on 12:23:40 9/07/2000 Fleet White is the star witness and the events of the last three years would give anyone in that position cause to have an axe to grind.. but vindictive? Nah. But what have we got on Fleet? Most of you who don't trust Fleet just think "he's creepy." What are the facts. Just the facts ma'am. Okay. He got into some kind of post-homicide physical altercation in Atlanta with John Ramsey. There are conflicting reports of what occurred that day and I think all we can say is that whatever happened, is unclear. John Ramsey tends to blow it off and I wonder why that is? Isn't that what he did on one of their tv appearances, just kind of said, it was no big deal and I don't have any problems with Fleet. What's up with that. Provoked by abuse of power by the DA investigating the JonBenét Ramsey homicide, Fleet next wrote a scathing exposé to the editor of the Daily Camera. Some of you have accused him of doing this for nefarious reasons; instead, however, we have seen many of his accusations and concerns validated and his predictions come to pass. Then the letter to the University calling for the ouster of Michael Tracey. Hmmm, what's up with that, I still wonder. However, when you consider that he was provoked by Hunter's encouraging the likes of tabloid types like Shapiro, porn-purveying book writers like Singleton, and finally Tracey the Crockmaker to dig for dirt on the White family, hinting that it's there.. well it's enough to piss anyone off, eh? So he hacks off a letter he probably should have slept on, lol. Then there's The Lawsuit. Kicking butt and taking names. In your face! Blow if off if you like, but this is a calculated legal action and it has the potential for a much further-reaching impact than many here will consider. I mean, like, "they" are laughing, are they not? Last I looked they were laughing, still laughing. Hard to tell because except for Mame, the former Fleet-trashers are pretty scarce these days. I remember Mary99 taunting us with where are they tirades on her many anti-Fleet threads, inciting to riot so she could trash and trash again. But now their silence is deafening. Yeah, payback's a bitch all right. Didn't mean to rant, but, whatever Lacey . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "off the hook" Posted by Seashell on 12:53:24 9/07/2000 Even if the RST had been behind the MW thing, it becomes moot now that the RST has fingered another perp/molester - a dead one. It's the silent RST way of saying that the Whites are innocent of all wrong-doing. So FW's ax is not grinding away at restoring his good name, since the Ramseys have implicitly done that; so where is he going with this? Is he out to get the media and maybe change the way we get our news (where have we heard THAT before) or is he focusing in on ultimately seeing to it that the Ramseys are brought in on criminal charges? I sure hope it's the latter. The Tracy thing was odd and odd too that the RST didn't jump on the MW bandwagon. For men who seem to dislike one another, they certainly aren't PUBLICALLY stepping on each other's toes; not since the funeral. FW's style is different tho from JW's. FW is less talkative and less public. Didn't Smit disappear shortly after his interview with MW? What's up with that? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Well then ..." Posted by Gemini on 12:37:48 9/07/2000 it could be he's just easily provoked? Nopey, from my POV it's more. I think he's vindictive ... very directed toward pay-backs. But then, that's jmo, of course. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Provocateur" Posted by Lacey on 12:57:54 9/07/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:57:54, 9/07/2000 I don't think the examples I listed above could be characterized as "easily provoked" by any means. I do believe, however, that it's convenient for you to classify it as such. Saves you the nuisance of countering. Hunter retaliates with below-the-belt character assassination techniques designed to bring his targets to their knees. It's been documented time and time again, and he seems to like the game. White retaliates with letters and lawsuits. Who's behavior is more professional.. it's not too difficult to make a distinction there. jmo of course Lacey [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Lacey" Posted by Gemini on 13:12:20 9/07/2000 oh yeah ... Hunter is also a "gotcha-last" kinda guy. Webster defines vindictive as "disposed to seek revenge". I think you'd be hard put to claim this isn't obvious in White. I don't happen to think the guy is perfect ... or a hero. If you do (duh), that's your delusion (imo). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "A Hero" Posted by Lacey on 13:38:18 9/07/2000 ain't nuthin' but a sandwich. How true, nobody's perfect, Gem, how profound of you. Sigh, it's really unfortunate that you always fall back on your hero-worship argument when I or anyone else judges White or Thomas as "good guys" (lol, there I did it myself) based on their actions. Believe it or not, Hunter's behavior is indefensible. To a lesser degree, so is Smit's (one of YOUR heroes). They have been shamed by their own behavior over and over again and still have the audacity to continue. And who would stop them, after all? Thomas and White, among others, have taken a licking and keep on ticking. And they have demonstrated a focus on furthering the investigation and a willingness to take the heat if they have to. Their track records are pretty clean in spite of concerted efforts to muck them up. I give them lots of credit for that. But no wings and halos, yet............ Carry on Lacey [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "boy, Gemini" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:48:59 9/07/2000 FW only wrote a couple of letters, we have never seen or heard him speak in public, yet you have judged him! You've had 3 1/2 yrs worth of contradictory stories, blatant lies, and MANY public appearances by the Ramseys, but still say you haven't judged or formed an opinion of them. Why so hasty to sum up FW with a "vindictive" hat, but the R's get the benefit of your "fairness"? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Edie Pratt" Posted by Gemini on 12:55:16 9/07/2000 'way more than a couple. Do your homework. When someone goes after another's livelihood because they are miffed ... well ... to me that's vindictive. Not a stretch I don't believe. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "livelihood vs life" Posted by Edie Pratt on 13:10:00 9/07/2000 oh, I've done my homework, alright, and from my desk I see 2 people who SAY haven't a clue who did this, but, readily toss their friends and employees under their evil bus, risking THEIR lives and freedom. In case you didn't know it, the Ramsey's sent the police to the housekeeper's that very morning, and mentioned that "FW ties knots", and, oh yeah, a disgruntled employee just happens to have a grudge over $118,000! But, gee golly whiz, "we can't imagine WHAT that ransom note could mean!" Your argument is laughable, Gemini. Three letters of angst is nothing compared to three + years of bull$hit. I guess you're aptly named, because you surely have two faces. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "GO LACEY!!" Posted by Ribaldone on 14:07:08 9/07/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:07:08, 9/07/2000 I don't want to butt in because you're on a roll and doing a much better job that I ever could. Gemini -- miffed???? I have a feeling "miffed" doesn't begin to describe what the White's (all of them!) are feeling. How about outraged, disgusted and slandered and generally pissed off -- and rightfully so! But I don't see how this can be construed as vindictive, unless you know something we don't. I'm confident that FW knows exactly what he's doing. Time will tell. Why is it that FW gets such a big reaction from you when the Ramseys, who have lied through their teeth at every opportunity, get a shrug and an "I don't have any proof so I'm still on the fence" reaction from you? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Chit Ribaldone" Posted by Gemini on 14:13:58 9/07/2000 I don't have a big reaction to White ... just am replying to all the mad-hatter-attack posts. I think he's a vindictive type and, apparently, thems fightin' words to some of you. Hey! I'm not supportive of the MW stuff, just don't respect hypocrisy ... and see it all over these forums. Actually, I'm beginning to suspect some of you are vindictive types ... just go ballistic if everyone doesn't fall in with the group-think. Bummer. Anyway, y'all argue amongst yourselves. GEM's got to take l'il GEM for a Dr's appointment. bye :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Edie and Lacey" Posted by Gemini on 13:59:49 9/07/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:59:49, 9/07/2000 Edie, wherefore cometh this personal attack??? The "do your homework" was in response to your remark that White had only written a "couple" of letters. Not true. I agree ... 3+ years is ridiculous. I'm simply saying White seems like a vindictive sort to me. Is that a basis on which to get venomous? I also agree with Lacey about Hunter. But, I don't think Thomas and White are heroes. Do you see that as something to argue about? If so, sounds like you're lookin' for something to scramble about. Go find another sucker :-) . I'm not interested in going in circles leading nowhere. Lacey, for whatever it's worth, I don't see ANY heroes in connection with this case. If there were, I doubt we'd still be sitting here. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Forgive me, Gem, for I have sniped" Posted by Edie Pratt on 14:17:31 9/07/2000 you're right, there's no need to attack. I guess it stems from the fact that I find it virtually impossible NOT to have an opinion on whodunit. I think you prove that when you give an opinion on someone we've barely seen in this, but hold all judgment when it comes to the Ramsey's & Co.. I say, judge one, judge all, lol. I guess I wonder how you arrived at your opinion of FW and his character so much faster than you have the Ramsey's. Afterall, their actions and words are in abundance, plenty to judge from. I've never even heard FW's voice! For all we know, he sounds like Truman Capote:-) I'm sorry I took a swipe atcha, Gem. You know I love you and your insufferable way of being fair:-), but I couldn't resist this one seeming crack in your armor. Edie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "I've never thought" Posted by Florida on 13:39:55 9/07/2000 of White as vindictive. I think he sees the world in black and white - good and bad - right and wrong. Hunter and Tracy gave information about White (SS#, residences, phone #'s, etc.) to other people (Shapiro, G2) in an effort to discredit him. I can certainly understand why he is disturbed with them - but what he's done has been public - not behind their backs. As a potential witness against the parents it must be very frustrating not to be able to speak out. Whether he's a hero or not isn't really important - I think he's just trying to do the right thing and not compromise his value as a potential witness against the Ramsey's. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Come on Gem" Posted by lake on 13:57:09 9/07/2000 Let's just let the guy have his day in court and see who is the good guy and who is blowing smoke or whatever. To take such a case to criminal court would probably be unconstitutional (since the State would be charging a legit news organization) but some higher court could point that out in an appeal if there were a conviction. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Florida and Lake" Posted by Gemini on 14:08:09 9/07/2000 Whether he's a hero or not isn't really important - I think he's just trying to do the right thing and not compromise his value as a potential witness against the Ramsey's. Nicely stated, Florida. It could be that White deals in absolutes (black and white), and this is what makes him seem a little less bright TO ME. I have grave doubts that his motivation is JfJB, though. It seems more likely (to me) he is heavily invested in his own interests and those of his family. That isn't a bad thing. If I were in his place, with young impressionable children, my family would probably be my first priority, too. Yes, Lake ... I think there's a great opportunity here for many of the people in this case to take the stand and SPEAK under oath. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Lake," Posted by gaiabetsy on 14:01:59 9/07/2000 who are you? Come on, put yourself on the line. I have. Is it so bad? I'm not sure if I can put you into any "column of life" I've deciphered. You could be good or bad, but I really wish to release judgement and find a way to have some dialogue with you. Come on, let's try. My e-mail is hdc@ispchannel.com. Let it fly, kiddo. I just want to try to understand what I'm dealing with. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "No fightin from me, Gem" Posted by Ribaldone on 14:58:39 9/07/2000 I just asked a question and didn't intend for it to sound agressive or offensive -- I hope it didn't. I guess I'm just curious as to what made you form such a firm opinion about FW but still no opinion about the Ramseys. That's all. :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Ribaldone and Edie" Posted by Gemini on 15:36:07 9/07/2000 Fair questions. About the Ramseys ... I guess I've formed a number of opinions over time. The ones that jump to mind right now are that I don't find them very likeable, seriously doubt I'd choose them as friends under any circumstances, don't like the pageant scene, almost barfed at the Christmas form letters. But, in spite of that, can easily see how they may not be the person(s) who killed JB. Gee Edie, I think my opinion of White has almost entirely to do with his War-and-Peace letters ... have read them all the way through, casually and critically and think they reveal a lot of what's what with this guy. I don't hate him, though. Hope that helps. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "gbetsy" Posted by lake on 14:53:05 9/07/2000 I am uncomplicated as far as this Ramsey/White/BPD/DA/Media thing goes. I am not afraid of the truth. But I would like to know the truth. Most or many seem to run away from an opportunity for the truth. But I can't fault anybody for not wanting to be charged with killing their kid if they indeed not kill their kid. Because in a criminal trial, the prosecutor is more interested in proving his point of view to a group of people that he is in the truth. So there is a risk involved in allowing yourself to be charged with a crime (even when you are innocent) just to get at the truth. But in the case of Fleet White, nobody has to charge him with anyting and he can still get his day in court. I say go for it if the State thinks what he wants is not unconstitutional. News organizations have an unlimited access to legal representation and will be more than adedqately represented in any such criminal trial. It is not like FW is asking the DA to charge some homeless person for pissing on his leg. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "FBI...." Posted by rose on 23:39:39 9/08/2000 Does anyone know if the FBI really investigated the MW case? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "rose.." Posted by Dianne E. on 13:56:44 9/09/2000 ..most of us don't seem to be "in the loop", LOL. I have only read here that the FBI was looking into the MW story. I would hope the FBI had bigger fish to fry, imo. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dianne E. ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]