Justice Watch "New thread - for Dunvegan" [ Main ] [ Post New Thread ] [ Help ] [ Search ] Table of Contents ................................................................... New thread - for Dunvegan, Watching you, 14:02:23, 9/22/2001 LOL WY, Gemini, 14:18:35, 9/22/2001, (#1) Twilight Zone, JR, 14:23:25, 9/22/2001, (#2) Yep, Gem, Watching you, 14:25:29, 9/22/2001, (#3) I defy anyone , v_p, 14:38:29, 9/22/2001, (#4) Yep, me too., Thor, 14:45:41, 9/22/2001, (#5) Who am I following this week?, RiverRat, 15:31:50, 9/22/2001, (#9) A new thread has , v_p, 15:08:29, 9/22/2001, (#6) Sorry v_p...., Voyager, 15:24:07, 9/22/2001, (#7) Voyager, v_p, 15:28:50, 9/22/2001, (#8) Denver is the Head Queen, RiverRat, 15:33:42, 9/22/2001, (#10) Whoa!, Ally, 15:57:18, 9/22/2001, (#12) I've got news, Watching you, 15:53:43, 9/22/2001, (#11) IMO... Dun has, Show Me, 16:36:01, 9/22/2001, (#13) shannon, v_p, 16:58:03, 9/22/2001, (#14) Dunvegan, again, Real Stormy, 17:27:50, 9/22/2001, (#17) Having felt the brunt, Mini, 17:14:27, 9/22/2001, (#15) Dun, Flanagan, 17:19:19, 9/22/2001, (#16) Flanagan, Jellyjaws, 17:34:04, 9/22/2001, (#18) Yes, Flanagan, 17:43:39, 9/22/2001, (#19) Pathology, Jellyjaws, 17:49:43, 9/22/2001, (#20) Flanagan, Jellyjaws, 18:11:11, 9/22/2001, (#21) Oooops, Flanagan, 18:19:39, 9/22/2001, (#22) newbies with no clue, vic, 18:38:36, 9/22/2001, (#24) Thanks Dun, freebird, 18:33:35, 9/22/2001, (#23) Freebird, Real Stormy, 18:56:59, 9/22/2001, (#25) Standing Ovation, RiverRat, 18:59:18, 9/22/2001, (#26) Yeah, RR, Real Stormy, 19:01:44, 9/22/2001, (#27) Denver, StCrispin, 19:13:02, 9/22/2001, (#28) Who, Ally, 19:28:39, 9/22/2001, (#29) Stcrispin,, Phantom, 19:33:38, 9/22/2001, (#31) Phantom...I've got about 6 min. left on my..., Dunvegan, 12:29:34, 9/23/2001, (#60) Dun..., Phantom, 13:17:23, 9/23/2001, (#63) I, StCrispin, 13:56:29, 9/23/2001, (#70) Phantom.., StCrispin, 19:37:46, 9/22/2001, (#32) Prove it., Phantom, 19:43:00, 9/22/2001, (#33) Ok, StCrispin, 19:44:57, 9/22/2001, (#34) Got ya,, Phantom, 20:10:17, 9/22/2001, (#36) Ally.., StCrispin, 19:32:05, 9/22/2001, (#30) Ally, Mini, 20:03:27, 9/22/2001, (#35) Feel better now, Mini?, RiverRat, 20:23:05, 9/22/2001, (#37) 'cause, StCrispin, 20:44:31, 9/22/2001, (#38) Exactly what , v_p, 20:56:26, 9/22/2001, (#40) Phantom, RiverRat, 20:53:47, 9/22/2001, (#39) Youse guys..., Phantom, 21:19:51, 9/22/2001, (#43) v_p..., StCrispin, 21:05:34, 9/22/2001, (#41) stcrisp, v_p, 21:19:09, 9/22/2001, (#42) Who Is Trying To Kid Who Here?, LoriAnn, 21:28:33, 9/22/2001, (#46) Yes, StCrispin, 21:23:22, 9/22/2001, (#44) Well then, RiverRat, 21:27:42, 9/22/2001, (#45) ChatRat, LoriAnn, 21:33:21, 9/22/2001, (#47) LoriAnn, StCrispin, 21:39:32, 9/22/2001, (#49) LoriAnn, Real Stormy, 21:37:41, 9/22/2001, (#48) Personal Info?, RiverRat, 21:44:56, 9/22/2001, (#52) RS, StCrispin, 21:44:23, 9/22/2001, (#51) this thread is about support for dunvegan, purr, 21:43:18, 9/22/2001, (#50) Dun, Aurora, 22:05:08, 9/22/2001, (#54) Who is kidding who?, RiverRat, 21:58:22, 9/22/2001, (#53) What a pity, JR, 22:57:48, 9/22/2001, (#55) Dunvegan,wonder woman, Shee, 06:11:38, 9/23/2001, (#56) .....some day I will read BEFORE, Shee, 06:13:06, 9/23/2001, (#57) Dun... the best revenge..., Show Me, 08:32:59, 9/23/2001, (#58) My My My, kaw49, 09:00:05, 9/23/2001, (#59) PHANTOM, ONE MORE TIME.., Dunvegan, 12:37:45, 9/23/2001, (#61) Dun,, Phantom, 13:30:41, 9/23/2001, (#65) dun, StCrispin, 13:06:50, 9/23/2001, (#62) Dun...please..., DAWN, 13:21:18, 9/23/2001, (#64) I'm told there's confusion, v_p, 13:32:18, 9/23/2001, (#66) That is one of the ugliest , Watching you, 13:41:19, 9/23/2001, (#67) It's too bad, Seeker, 14:13:23, 9/23/2001, (#74) Read, StCrispin, 13:53:33, 9/23/2001, (#68) Removing people's posts..., Phantom, 13:55:44, 9/23/2001, (#69) Those, StCrispin, 13:59:15, 9/23/2001, (#71) I'd love a ..., Phantom, 14:11:24, 9/23/2001, (#73) Dunvegan, StCrispin, 14:04:24, 9/23/2001, (#72) I mean confused..., Phantom, 14:19:43, 9/23/2001, (#75) ................................................................... "New thread - for Dunvegan" Posted by Watching you on 14:02:23 9/22/2001 I will be the first one to throw my full support behind Dunvegan where it has been all along. You are a class act, Dun. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "LOL WY" Posted by Gemini on 14:18:35 9/22/2001 Whadder ya doin'? Countin' noses? : ) Since you can't seen to manage to stay in lurk, and since I've got to leave in a few and won't even be able to lurk, I'll toss in my 2 cents. I support Dun ... think she's doing a helluva job ... but there's a lot of "stuff" going on in this forum ... and has been for the several days now. Newbies who are far from new, old timers who still have an itch for the flame war days and would LUV to start bashing fencers and pro-rams again, etc.. All it takes is a little encouragement to see things erupt around here. I HOPE that encouragement is not forthcoming. It could send JW back to J-7's darkest days, OR it could result in everyone except the die hard Rams bashers huddling into the flip side of Jams' onesided efforts. IOW, a nod-nod forum. Rather than give excuses to any who are prowling for the adreneline fix of flaming, I'd rather stay out of it until things settle down and it's clear which way the wind is going to blow. I've never been very shy about returning a punch, but out of respect for Dun, I don't think I'm interested in taking the bait until the smoke clears. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Gemini ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Twilight Zone" Posted by JR on 14:23:25 9/22/2001 I for one have no intention of even trying to figure out what is going on here. I feel like I am in a time warp or something. Regardless, Dun you have my support 100%. I think you are doing a fantastic job with the JW changes and only worry about you burning yourself out. Hang in there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Yep, Gem" Posted by Watching you on 14:25:29 9/22/2001 I'm lurking and posting at the same time. I get over it quickly, you know that. And, to answer your question, yes, I'm counting noses. And, I agree with you, BTW. That doesn't happen all that often, you know. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "I defy anyone " Posted by v_p on 14:38:29 9/22/2001 to find anything new in this case. We are waiting for it to heat up again, which it will... meanwhile, we need to be civil toward one another and keep the forum going in a positive way. If that means ignoring swipes from not-so-newbies, fine... I can easily do that. Behind you 150% Dun. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Yep, me too." Posted by Thor on 14:45:41 9/22/2001 I'm behind ya Dun. Don't care what others think, I think you're doing a helluva job. I agree that it is bizare here and feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Especially being fairly new, don't know if this is normal or not but want to express my thanks to Dun. I like JW and like the posters here and cannot understand the "flaming". I think since the case is so slow that is part of the problem. This case needs to heat up. Damn it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Who am I following this week?" Posted by RiverRat on 15:31:50 9/22/2001 A.K.? That was quite a funny little piece of bullshit posted on the other Dunvegan thread. Morgan was baited?! That is how others wanted it to look in their attempt to script an opinion forum. Pedro stole JW chat again?! Oh, the horror!! At least it didn't slip away from JW. The self-proclaimed Queens are people I never saw. Heard of them, never saw them. At that time they were busy trying their hand at ceramics. They sent a cracked pot with a half baked story to a community comprised of intelligent members and now we must suffer for the choices THEY made. Who do you think the old hags are that hacked CS? JusticeWatch and CyberSleuths are not enemies and should join forces to stand tall against the tactics employeed by such sad has beens. They sit High on a mountain and attack from afar. They always fire the first shot when no one is prepared. If a defensive move is made in return, they cry Foul... They should know by now, they are not my Queen, if pushed to a self-defense uprisal, I will be first in line for Operation Old Hag. It is funny and I do get a good chuckle out of imagining RS ringing me up and saying "hey, how about we take over JW today just for chits and giggles?" Or WY demanding that I help her make JW hers....hahahaha. Dunny - Bravo. Your actions and hard work on this forum speak way louder than their words. You can do this, you have proven that already. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "A new thread has " Posted by v_p on 15:08:29 9/22/2001 been started by digerati/denver which should be either deleted or moved to the WOR. It has no place on the JBR forum. FS is trying to bring their unspeakable trash here since no one will go there to read it. I hope, at the very least, no one will post on it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Sorry v_p...." Posted by Voyager on 15:24:07 9/22/2001 When I read it just now, I was outraged that anyone would traipse in here after never posting on Dunvegans forum and define Justice Watch in such negative terms and to say such devastating things about our talented and sincere webmistress.... this forum is not in ashes....a few silly new hats (maybe recycled posters for all we know) have recently brought in a measure of discord which has be debated and has since abated, so Denver rushed in on que to with her proclamation of disaster and ashes.... She said this would be her last post and one can only hope that she speaks the truth....as I predicted in my post to her, I think this is just a lead-in to announce a new forum of her groups making....followed by heavy recruiting in the near future....look out for the big guns...old and familiar ones....JMHP (Just My Humble Prediction).... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Voyager" Posted by v_p on 15:28:50 9/22/2001 I certainly hope that's not what this is about.. what a horrible foundation on which to build a forum to search for justice for our precious JonBenet... Satan himself may as well be the webmaster if what you're saying is true. I think I'll stick with JW and Dun. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Denver is the Head Queen" Posted by RiverRat on 15:33:42 9/22/2001 Why? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Whoa!" Posted by Ally on 19:16:45 9/22/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:16:45, 9/22/2001 Ouch! That was brutal, even for me. Nietzsche, think Nietzsche, think Nietzsche.. whoever fights monsters, should see that in the process, he does not *become* one, himself. Or herself, whichever the case may be! Kudos to River Rat and everyone else actually, who's posting here in a show of solidarity for Dunvegan, Our Moderator. Dunvegan. 100%+ support, no question. You got it. Period. L O L on Morgan being baited. Close your mouth Denver, you look like a large-mouth bass. Ditto on Denver's forum-of-record crack. What's that supposed to mean?! Dun, you just took over and look how far we've come. You've added new forums and brought Internet research to a new level. We had the info on the NYC massacre before anyone.. and you even opened a new forum to handle the traffic! KUDOS!! How long does it take to become a forum of record from a pile of virtual rubbish. About as long as it takes to run the forum into the ground, as Chris did before she unloaded it, apparently. Well I've never been to FS But I've been to Oklahoma Well they tell me I was born there But I really don't remember. ---------------> Ally Cat [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "I've got news" Posted by Watching you on 15:53:43 9/22/2001 for anyone who wishes JW would take a dump. It's not going to happen. There is still a core of dedicated and good posters here. JW has been through a hell of a lot worse than what is going on now, as we all well know, and it survived, better than ever with the slanderers gone. I will never back down from my beliefs that what that gang did to FW was criminal, and it doesn't matter to me who likes it or doesn't like it. Voyager, I'd put money on it. Who cares? Let them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "IMO... Dun has" Posted by Show Me on 16:36:01 9/22/2001 taken over a forum that was doomed when Chris went away to school. It's her responsibility, she is doing the work. I can either post according to her rules or go elsewhere. She is doing the best she can, and I have no complaints. I'm sure this is all a misunderstanding...all of us are so tense since the bombings. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "shannon" Posted by v_p on 16:58:03 9/22/2001 Our forum is free, (since Dun), and objective... just ask Ned and Ellie :o) Thanks for your opinion though shannon... but I, personally, find this forum very interesting. It will pick up nicely, once there is new case information. Stick around. Dun also does a wonderful job bringing us new info and her parodies are one of a kind. I'm thinking Denver is actually lashing out due to jealousy over Dun's superior parody ability. Yep, I think that could be the ticket. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Dunvegan, again" Posted by Real Stormy on 17:27:50 9/22/2001 I posted on the "Propaganda" thread but I want to post something similar on this thread so Dun will be sure to see it. When it was announced that Chris was handing over the reins of the forum to Dunvegan, I figured, "Just another of her 'Buds'" who will continue the discriminatory practices of protecting certain posters who had agendas unrelated to this forum, or indeed even justice for JBR. Chris' practice of banning anyone with whom Mame disagreed, with no notice or explanation was outrageous. I want to say I was wrong. While I believe my suspicions were reasonable in view of the fact that certain things were happening both openly and behind the scenes, Dunvegan has proven, at least to me, that she is a fair-minded person who has a great deal of dignity and intelligence, qualities which are beyond the understanding of the self-appointed "Queens." I do not indulge in idle talk and most of you know at least that about me. It takes a great deal for me to become a partisan of any cause. I am now Dunvegan's partisan. Whatever she asks me to do insofar as this forum is concerned, I will gladly do because, while I don't exactly understand all the talk about "Forum of record" and what the import of that might be, I do believe that JW will and should survive. I will do what I can to help insure that. I hear, from time to time, that the "Queens" have a few things to say about me. It is of no consequence to me because I only would take that kind of thing seriously if it came from someone I admire and/or respect. In the case of the "Queens," I do neither. I think they are silly. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Having felt the brunt" Posted by Mini on 17:14:27 9/22/2001 of recent irrational flaming and the mob mentality that goes along with it, I want to distance myself as far as possible from the packs. Dun has done an excellent job, is more than fair, and I support her unequivocally. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Dun" Posted by Flanagan on 17:19:19 9/22/2001 What says Dun, makes sense. What say her adversaries i'ts a mess. That should be enough. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Flanagan" Posted by Jellyjaws on 17:34:04 9/22/2001 Oh boy, do I agree with you! It's a wild, pathalogical mess. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Yes" Posted by Flanagan on 17:45:59 9/22/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:45:59, 9/22/2001 It is. Do you know any IRC adress where talk about JBR's case? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Pathology" Posted by Jellyjaws on 17:49:43 9/22/2001 It's best to sit back, watch and learn about people. What a world! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Flanagan" Posted by Jellyjaws on 18:11:11 9/22/2001 Haha, kiddo. I saw your marvelous rave about Jameson before you had a chance to delete it. I'm taking my own advice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Oooops" Posted by Flanagan on 18:19:39 9/22/2001 Sorry,I edited it after noticing that I've had misinterpreted your answer. I thougth that you were shocked or surprised for agreeing with me after disagreeing in the thread "Rage". Sorry. And, as I said before editing, I think that jameson's opinion and deeds concerning the JBR case, are wrong. Sorry if I don't understand or write very well. I'm not a born english speaker, neither I do live in a country where english is spoken. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "newbies with no clue" Posted by vic on 18:38:36 9/22/2001 I'm no newbie, I've been around since j-7 but I still don't know what the hell is going on. Call me naive, whatever, but I just don't get all the sniping, backstabbing, name calling, snotty bullshit. Rodney King was an idiot but he still had a point - can't we all get along? And if "we" can't, go somewhere else instead of inciting pettiness and bad feelings. I've just recently looked at FS, it's not my thing. Neither is Jammysue's wide world of denial. You will never see me post there - why? I'm not comfortable there, no similar beliefs, wrong personality mix. I'm not there slamming anybody. I just don't see why people have to stir up bad feelings. Maybe Jammy has a point - ban their asses - just 'cause you can. Agree to disagree, another's point of view is very valuable and we need it to be whole, good human beings. But this crap is driving away lots of good people. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Thanks Dun" Posted by freebird on 18:33:35 9/22/2001 For what it's worth I'm thankful for you that we are not sitting here listening to how it was FW who actually set up the twin tower terrorist act to silence NK who was spose to have been there:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Freebird" Posted by Real Stormy on 18:56:59 9/22/2001 Hahahahaha [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Standing Ovation" Posted by RiverRat on 18:59:18 9/22/2001 From me to FreeBird. Damn that was good and dead on. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Yeah, RR" Posted by Real Stormy on 19:01:44 9/22/2001 I wish I'd said that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Denver" Posted by StCrispin on 19:13:02 9/22/2001 Seems that I started to clear the shit :-) Pedro didn't stole JW chat room. JW chat room was abandoned and not registered, as have happen 3 times before already under Chris' administration! This time, Pedro took it because it was nobody's and nobody was interested on it until Pedro has 20 people chatting one night in there, very well known, respected and liked posters. However, that chatroom is available for Dunvegan at anytime as was before for Chris to recover. I read in FS recently and was appalled by the words Chris and her buddies directed to Dunvegan. I am glad posters know now who's who and Dunvegan does know too! The queens attack jameson for gender confusion, what about Ted? Ted is a male hat, Denver is a woman and Denver IS Ted! Ally, Denver isn't unemployed, she is mentally disable, she had several meltdowns in the past and she did apologize in other forums for it. I don't think we should use other's mental problems to laugh at them, I think it's better to ignore them and their craziness will pass! The Queens are pissed because they bought NK's story, the whole way up! Now they don't like to look like the stoopid people they are! And Nancy Krebs is a prostitute from CA, am I wrong? Sue me :-) Anyway, I been told that vitriol natzso queen, Denver, has accused JW of been nasty or something like that, well, she handles FS and the MW folks, so. Denver I don't like people who see others shit in the stool and don't she herself seat on a pile of her own! Denver has no idea what chats Pedro conducted, but Pedro knows what chat Denver conducted in Hellzcatzs! Denver's only interest is relieve her mental disease and her bitter life, Denver only interest is control others and spread her venom as she has done always around her. Denver's interest was hiding her stupidity dealing with NK! Denver is becaming that person she dislikes more and that made her even more bitter! Tannest, did nothing of your business, what she did, was private, would you like your life exposed "Teddy"? Chris? Isn't she the one giving you and others hats minutes after put you in time off for your attacks in MW skepticals? Yes, Dunvegan has a problem, her need to deal with Chris. And you dear Denver have many problems, but I don't think anyone cares in here, go get your medication! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Who" Posted by Ally on 19:28:39 9/22/2001 has been banned by cHris for MW and mame's dishonorfication? I thought it was 'Morgan' who was time-outed for bad behavior, by Dunvegan and justifiably so, but Chris has no pull nor no power here no longer. The wicked witch of the watch has had a bucket of water splashed on her, and helllllp her she's melting, big time. 'Snot funny, so what. Well it is obvious I am not getting all of this. StCrispin, I appreciate your struggling to explain it all even though English is your second language, all's I want's the facts, just the facts ma'am, but even with that I do not understand Internet wars, ha, ha! Yet I am marveling at this little bit of Internet subculture taking place at this moment on this very forum. So now where is The Wolf, to tell us to carrion, ha! --------> Ally [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Stcrispin," Posted by Phantom on 19:33:38 9/22/2001 I hope that if you are ever raped or molested, people call you a prostitute. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Phantom...I've got about 6 min. left on my..." Posted by Dunvegan on 12:29:34 9/23/2001 ...phone card here at the inn...but I will be home tonight. So...just two questions: (1) I was a sexually molested child. 11 years of it. At FS it was said: "Who cares?" Defend that. (2) Who were you in you former life: come clean. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "Dun..." Posted by Phantom on 13:17:23 9/23/2001 >...phone card here at the inn...but I >will be home tonight. >So...just two questions: >(1) I was a sexually molested child. >11 years of it. >At FS it was said: "Who cares?" > >Defend that. I can't defend that, and I wouldn't want to. I wasn't saying I was for rape and molestation, I was saying that if someone said that they had been raped and/or molested, (not sure of the distinstion), that you shouldn't call them a prostitute, especially if you can't prove them a liar. I was trying to be on the victims side. >(2) Who were you in you former >life: come clean. Dun, I don't know what you mean. I'm sorry that you were abused, and in such a way. I think you are mistaken and think that I am on the wrong side. That's ok, it happens. I know with certain personal subjects, your feelings have to come out. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "I" Posted by StCrispin on 13:56:29 9/23/2001 I, myself, has called MW prostitute not because she was molested and raped, I will call her VICTIM for that. I call NK prostitute because she gets pay for sex, different kinds of sex. And that dear Phantom is the reason why I call MW prostitute, has nothing to do with been abused or not, but with sell you body for money! Don't you know what a prostitute is? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Phantom.." Posted by StCrispin on 19:37:46 9/22/2001 ...I accept yor critizism, I like you and I always will! NK's story is a lie, but we don't always have to agree, rigth? You know that, my friend! ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Prove it." Posted by Phantom on 19:43:00 9/22/2001 If you know and can, prove it.OK? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Ok" Posted by StCrispin on 19:44:57 9/22/2001 Just gi'me 2 years! LOL. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Got ya," Posted by Phantom on 20:10:17 9/22/2001 ya don't know. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Ally.." Posted by StCrispin on 19:32:05 9/22/2001 ...the MW thing has been going on for 2 years during which chris was webmaster. Now, Flanagan could tell you, English isn't my second one! My mother lenguaje is French and I post from St.Marie, Canada! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Ally" Posted by Mini on 20:03:27 9/22/2001 The Wolf hasn't been howling much today but I'm sure she's still lurking waiting to come in for the kill or to assume her role as leader of the pack. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Feel better now, Mini?" Posted by RiverRat on 20:23:05 9/22/2001 Whoever you are or were, you disgust me with your hound dog obsession. Just thought you should know! Ally, I was going to try and help you understand what StCrispin is relaying here but understanding what happened has a lot to do with being there. But lucky for you and the other newbies! Guess What?! It was pretty much like this on a constant basis for months. Sad but true, one day is a piece of cake anymore...... Welcome to the Club - I'd run for my life if I was a newbie. Problem is, you grow attached to people after a while and then you are stuck here with people that only enable the killer of JonBenet to start planning, yet one more approaching favorite holiday...... Wonder why? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "'cause" Posted by StCrispin on 20:44:31 9/22/2001 ..some folks run out Prozac? Phantom, I know. And you know too...6 foot tall! Use you're capacity, you've seen it! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Exactly what " Posted by v_p on 20:56:26 9/22/2001 Denver wanted to happen is happening... this thread has turned into something it was never intended to be ... quite the opposite. Dunvegan doesn't need this crap right now. Please stop. Dun has tried to bring class and dignity to this forum since she's taken it over and we, yes, me included, just keep tearing it down by allowing others to bait us. I apologize to Dun and I'll ignore the crap from now on... unless it's in the WOR, where it belongs. In the words of one of our most intelligent and insightful posters... "carrion" if you must, I'm signing off on this one. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Phantom" Posted by RiverRat on 20:53:47 9/22/2001 Coming from someone that pretty much always see's things that are not there, I guess that I can understand why you don't believe what StCrispin has informed you of. Just because you can't handle the truth, no need to hold the rest of us back. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Youse guys..." Posted by Phantom on 21:19:51 9/22/2001 are sooo funny! >Coming from someone that pretty much always >see's things that are not there, >I guess that I can understand >why you don't believe what StCrispin >has informed you of. Just curious, what has St informed me of? >Just because you can't handle the truth, >no need to hold the rest >of us back. I don't hold any truth back. It's YOU who can't handle the truth I know.....So don't give me any crap.... I'm still trying to figure out what ST meant in her last post to me...........................?! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "v_p..." Posted by StCrispin on 21:08:34 9/22/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:08:34, 9/22/2001 ...behaviours like your are the ones that allow the likes of Denver and Chris to do these things. Go FS and read what they been doing to Dun in there! Once for all, the truth to be told, in loud voice, even if it hurts! Yes, dunvegan needs this more than condescendant posts that only blind her and keep her away from the truth! v_p, I like you a lot, I think that to many here it's better voice it all, once for all, is a much needed catharsis for this forum! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "stcrisp" Posted by v_p on 21:19:09 9/22/2001 > ...behaviours like your >are the ones that allow the >likes of Denver and Chris to >do these things. What? LOL I don't have any control over what Chris and Denver do... I just think they should do it in their cave at FS. >Go FS and read what they been >doing to Dun in there! No thanks. It's just a new day, different victim, same recycled flames. >Once for all, the truth to be >told, in loud voice, even if >it hurts! No one cares about what's happened in the past... really. This forum isn't about personalities, it's about JonBenet Ramsey. How hard it that to understand? >Yes, dunvegan needs this more than condescendant >posts that only blind her and >keep her away from the truth! What goes on between Chris and Dun should go on through email... the way Dun has asked. I repeat, this is the JonBenet Ramsey forum. >v_p, I like you a lot, I > think that to many here >it's better voice it all, once >for all, is a much needed >catharsis for this forum! Can you at least take it to the WOR? I'm sure you'll get a response. It's undignified and disrespectful to JBR to keep it up here. Please. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Who Is Trying To Kid Who Here?" Posted by LoriAnn on 21:28:33 9/22/2001 Why do people beg for a flame war and then bitch when they get one? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Yes" Posted by StCrispin on 21:23:22 9/22/2001 I think the WOR is the rigth place for this. I have no beef with you but the other way around. It isn't the past, is the present and we hope is not the future, that's why we do begin: OOH ! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Well then" Posted by RiverRat on 21:27:42 9/22/2001 Lead on Fearless One. You better pass out as much ammo as possible before they sneak in the back door. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "ChatRat" Posted by LoriAnn on 21:33:21 9/22/2001 Are you encouraging Pedro to post personal information? I certainly hope this doesn't backfire in your face. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "LoriAnn" Posted by StCrispin on 21:39:32 9/22/2001 Where do you see Pedro here? Do you dream with him too or it's only the "baccus" effect? Farm girls!... I try already, Pedro won't give me any personal information, Lori, you are mistaken. Lori, Pedro isn't YOU! But I am like you Lori, like you, I will post information but mine is true, yours isn't. Lori, there's many things you made Pedro do in the past, betray personal information he never did, get over it, he is ignoring you! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "LoriAnn" Posted by Real Stormy on 21:37:41 9/22/2001 Where did you suddenly appear from? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Personal Info?" Posted by RiverRat on 21:44:56 9/22/2001 I have no clue who you even are much less need personal information on you. And why would Pedro have it to give out? Threat Noted. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "RS" Posted by StCrispin on 21:44:23 9/22/2001 I know from where, but I been asked not to use bad words in here, nor needle talk! A clue? Ok, here's one: Where Masquerade/LoriAnn come from: Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, but not all assholes stink the same! What asshole stink more? Yes, you got it, it's FS! OOH [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "this thread is about support for dunvegan" Posted by purr on 21:43:18 9/22/2001 anyway, it's supposed to be. dun is number one in my book! 'nuff said!!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Dun" Posted by Aurora on 22:05:08 9/22/2001 You will always have a few cynical critics... IGNORE them. You have better things to do with your time than listen to this BS... You are doing an awesome job.... Carry on. Anyone that doesn't think so... can go elsewhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Who is kidding who?" Posted by RiverRat on 21:58:22 9/22/2001 This will never stop. Here you go LoriAnn, you can have my spot here in the forum since it is so devastatingly important to you. Good luck All. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "What a pity" Posted by JR on 22:57:48 9/22/2001 Millions of people globally have been United for 11 days because of the events on September 11. Can't we all agree to disagree and get back to the real reason we are supposedly here? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "Dunvegan,wonder woman" Posted by Shee on 06:11:38 9/23/2001 synonymous actually laughing I ignore the grandchildren bickering over baby dolls and cartoon channels, all I can suggest is that you do what I am doing, they are important to me, I DO hear them, but I only will act if there is danger in sight..... let 'em learn to integrage on their own oh and I DO think this suff [[other thant he support for Dun, belongs in the WOR love shee [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. ".....some day I will read BEFORE" Posted by Shee on 06:13:06 9/23/2001 I send misspelled.... boo hoo [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "Dun... the best revenge..." Posted by Show Me on 10:51:16 9/23/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:51:16, 9/23/2001 is to just ignore them...period. They can't control JW, and they can't stop JW posters. You are doing a very good job in managing JW. If you don't like the way Dun handles her forum... then go start your own. It's as if we posters were sitting in Dun's livingroom having a discussion when the nosy neighbors drop in and start critizing her furniture, the way her yard looks, what we are talking about...etc. I'd say let's show them the door and don't let it hit your a$$es on the way out! edited for typo [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "My My My" Posted by kaw49 on 09:00:05 9/23/2001 I go away for a week and the kids get unruly!! Such petty sniping is fun to read. But the fact that anyone takes it seriously is beyond me. These are not people you've had over for dinner or gone to a movie with. We don't even know most of the posters real names!! And Dun.......doing a wonderful job. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "PHANTOM, ONE MORE TIME.." Posted by Dunvegan on 12:37:45 9/23/2001 ANSWER QUESTION #60: WHY DID THE FS WOMEN CHEER ON MY ABUSE, MAKE FUN, I HAVE NEVER SAID ONE BAD WORD ABOUT MW...I WILL NOT EVEN MENTION HER NAME AS SHE HAS NOT GIVEN ME AN EXPLICIT OK TO DO SO, AND I RESPECT THE PRIVICY OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BADLY USED AS CHILDREN...? MY CHILDHOOD SITUATION IS WHY I BECAME INVOLVED IN THE RAMSEY CASE ORIGINALLY. ANSWER THE QUESTION: YOU AGREE WITH MY CHILDHOOD ABUSE, BEGINNING WHEN I WAS THREE, AND LASTING UNTIL I WAS 14? FS CHEERED THAT ON? HOW MANY OF YOU HAD A GROWN MAN HAVE SEX WITH YOU WHEN YOU WERE A SMALL CHILD? I'M WAITING FOR AN APOLOGY, OR THE REAL AGENDA. ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT IS THE KEY TO YOUR SOUL. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Dunvegan ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "Dun," Posted by Phantom on 13:30:41 9/23/2001 >ANSWER QUESTION #60: WHY DID THE FS >WOMEN CHEER ON MY ABUSE, MAKE >FUN, I HAVE NEVER SAID ONE >BAD WORD ABOUT MW...I WILL NOT >EVEN MENTION HER NAME AS SHE >HAS NOT GIVEN ME AN EXPLICIT >OK TO DO SO, AND I >RESPECT THE PRIVICY OF THOSE WHO >HAVE BEEN BADLY USED AS CHILDREN...? > I haven't been to FS for a long time until just recently. I don't know why you single me out. They only seem to care about ignoring anything real there, and only flame anyone for anything. I didn't know anyone could even take them seriously. But I had read what they said to you. Its just their regular rant? Know one has the right to say that against you, for having been abused too. >MY CHILDHOOD SITUATION IS WHY I BECAME >INVOLVED IN THE RAMSEY CASE ORIGINALLY. > A little childhood experience of mine is why I'm also interested in the JonBenet murder. It's probably not as bad as your experience, of course. But the affects are still real. >ANSWER THE QUESTION: YOU AGREE WITH MY >CHILDHOOD ABUSE, BEGINNING WHEN I WAS >THREE, AND LASTING UNTIL I WAS >14? FS CHEERED THAT ON? HOW >MANY OF YOU HAD A GROWN >MAN HAVE SEX WITH YOU WHEN >YOU WERE A SMALL CHILD? I'M >WAITING FOR AN APOLOGY, OR THE >REAL AGENDA. They should apologize for saying "who cares". I didn't say that, I didn't agree in anyway with them. I don't have an agenda with them. I don't know why you think I do. You said that you were a victim since three years old. So does Nancy Krebs. I said that anyone can, yea or nay, show it she's for real or not, why don't they prove it in some way, if they can. Nancy Krebs is from my area, I heard some things and would like to know what's what. >ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT IS THE KEY >TO YOUR SOUL. Don't know about my soul....... But I have no reason to trust Stcrispin, whoever the heck she is. Nothing personal........ Read my posts again,? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "dun" Posted by StCrispin on 13:07:25 9/23/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:07:25, 9/23/2001 Do you know anything about Phantom? I am afraid you're wasting your time! :-) The FS women are sickos against men, they allow their mommies to abuse them and against women because they abuse them. They hate men because they can't keep their pants on when one is around! They hate anyone happy and normal! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Dun...please..." Posted by DAWN on 13:21:18 9/23/2001 ...You are much too good...and too special to let these "nasties" bother you... You know what you have been through...nobody else...and you do not have to defend yourself to women who need to change their knickers more often... That has said it all really...you are good for JW...we are all good...so do not let those "slimies" infiltrate our close team here... So...what were we talking about...???? dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "I'm told there's confusion" Posted by v_p on 13:32:18 9/23/2001 about the post Dun is referencing over at FS... Posted by Morgan: How about a new poll--Should Justice Watch Be Banned? Or just given a new name--All About Dunvegan. Christ Awmighty, half of the threads are hers. She couldn't wait to post that wacked out pic of herself and to tell the world about her VICTIMIZATION. Who gives a flying fuck? You're alive, bitch, get over it. ~*~*~*~* Still extremely hard to read. Of course they will spin this and say Dun's abuse was not made fun of. In all the MW threads I don't recall one single post ever treating MW this way. I challenge them to find one. And poor little morgan was "baited" by the mean old JW'rs and forced to defend herself. Please. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "That is one of the ugliest " Posted by Watching you on 13:41:19 9/23/2001 things I have ever read. What else needs to be said? Morgan said it all herself. Sickening. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "It's too bad" Posted by Seeker on 14:13:23 9/23/2001 that everyone just cannot accept each other's differences. Morgan didn't have to take any bait dangled in front of her and react. If she was smart she should have simply ignored it. I wonder if she says the same thing to NK about being alive and getting over it??? I'm sure Morgan was just upset and venting. Right? Of course clomicalm was just as vile about Dun's "meltdown (can't remember who sent me that post now) within the last 2 weeks" and how JW was doomed because of Dun posting her info and change in personality. Hey FS is their forum, they can say anything they like. If you don't want to know, don't look! Same for them there, they don't have to come here if they don't like what's posted here. I think this forum war crap is really lame (I'm sure candy is happy as a clam over all of it though). FS isn't about JBR in any sense, it's about flaming those who are on the other boards that do pertain to JBR. I say, just let them be. Who cares what they say on their board? Why give any nameless, faceless person that much power over you? Do you really care what someone who doesn't know you says? I thought I was dealing with adults... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "Read" Posted by StCrispin on 13:53:33 9/23/2001 the thread about moderating in FS, Morgan's posts is nothing compare to the post in that thread! Of course, Nip (chris) just say *Ditto* with Mrs.Brady's hen-like approval! Could Dunvegan remove denver's post? If JW members posts can't stay there, I see no reason for FS' members' posts to stay! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Removing people's posts..." Posted by Phantom on 13:55:44 9/23/2001 that's a lot of help St. (not) Oh well, everyone's fighting,again, I wonder who stated it this time? A few..? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Those" Posted by StCrispin on 13:59:15 9/23/2001 posts attacking the queens are gone, why not the ones by Denver too? I wouldn't like go back to the mode *who really owns JW*! But when FS ladies keeps their posts here and the others not, I wonder why! Phantom, why don't you call some PD and talk to them for a while? :-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "I'd love a ..." Posted by Phantom on 14:11:24 9/23/2001 little chat with a PD, if they'd stut-up and learn something when I told them something. Just curious though, who paid for sex with MW, and how would you know about it? Also, sorry if I helped create all the trouble this time around, I usually don't add all that much....I thought. But Dun did owe me one, I have been a bother of sorts of late. I think. Just wish you'd sock it to me when I did a no-no! :-)! It's easy to get confused....with so many words and people and opinions etc. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "Dunvegan" Posted by StCrispin on 14:04:24 9/23/2001 Thank you, inquiring minds are much satisfied with your honesty and decency. If any of us doubt of you in the past, we were wrong, others did try to use you and they have been defeated! Contact us if need anything. OOH! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "I mean confused..." Posted by Phantom on 14:19:43 9/23/2001 on my account,being against victims of abuse, which I'm not. Everything else that is being said, I know nothing,nothing.....don't know anybody, don't know nothing.....only too true... 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