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Monitored and Censored?, Ginja, 15:09:35, 9/23/2001 Ginja..., StCrispin, 15:17:31, 9/23/2001, (#1) Not worth it, Good Luck Dunvegan :), samantha, 18:04:55, 9/23/2001, (#2) Ginja, v_p, 18:19:49, 9/23/2001, (#3) Dunvegan a Queen?, LurkerXIV, 08:05:37, 9/24/2001, (#7) Hey LurkerlXLKCLKJS, 1000Sparks, 09:49:22, 9/24/2001, (#8) Watch Out, Sparks!, LurkerXIV, 10:43:22, 9/24/2001, (#9) Ginja, China, 18:20:04, 9/23/2001, (#4) You will know us, Ally, 19:20:54, 9/23/2001, (#5) imposters, pinker, 05:03:14, 9/24/2001, (#6) To the JW God..., Brightlight, 16:49:49, 9/24/2001, (#10) BL, StCrispin, 21:33:50, 9/24/2001, (#28) dulllight, v_p, 21:26:52, 9/24/2001, (#26) um, Ruby, 18:47:49, 9/24/2001, (#17) Bright-Light..., DAWN, 17:27:45, 9/24/2001, (#12) Amen, Brightlight, Mini, 17:26:55, 9/24/2001, (#11) My comments, Thor, 18:01:35, 9/24/2001, (#14) Am I to understand, Brightlight?, Real Stormy, 17:59:54, 9/24/2001, (#13) Thank you v_p, St. Crispin, et al..., Ginja, 18:52:41, 9/24/2001, (#19) Ginja, v_p, 21:02:38, 9/24/2001, (#24) Real Stormy, Mini, 18:50:57, 9/24/2001, (#18) RS, RiverRat, 18:32:19, 9/24/2001, (#15) Yes RR, Real Stormy, 18:45:59, 9/24/2001, (#16) Well, Mini, Real Stormy, 19:24:31, 9/24/2001, (#20) Real Stormy, Mini, 19:48:47, 9/24/2001, (#21) Mini, Ginja, 19:53:32, 9/24/2001, (#22) Ginja, Real Stormy, 20:30:15, 9/24/2001, (#23) As an impartial observer..., cappuccina, 21:33:01, 9/24/2001, (#27) Real Stormy and Ginja, Mini, 21:23:54, 9/24/2001, (#25) Presumptuous Capp?, v_p, 21:45:46, 9/24/2001, (#29) Here's a site that might put things..., cappuccina, 21:59:45, 9/24/2001, (#30) Hey, V_P, Mini, 22:16:02, 9/24/2001, (#32) capp, v_p, 22:06:13, 9/24/2001, (#31) Mini & Real Stormy, Brightlight, 22:25:21, 9/24/2001, (#33) Pedro, So glad you asked..., Brightlight, 00:01:15, 9/25/2001, (#34) #2: My response to Pedro's apology, Brightlight, 01:33:16, 9/25/2001, (#35) Addendum to Pedro's trash, Brightlight, 05:22:07, 9/25/2001, (#36) Thankyou brightlight..., Annette, 06:38:11, 9/25/2001, (#38) Thank you Bright Light, starry, 06:38:07, 9/25/2001, (#37) Posting personal emails, v_p, 07:51:33, 9/25/2001, (#39) Brightlight!, Cassandra, 08:40:50, 9/25/2001, (#40) dimlight, v_p, 09:08:10, 9/25/2001, (#41) Thank you, Brightlight., LurkerXIV, 09:37:44, 9/25/2001, (#42) Lurker, v_p, 09:55:10, 9/25/2001, (#43) v_p, starry, 13:12:01, 9/25/2001, (#54) starry, v_p, 13:19:20, 9/25/2001, (#56) Yes I did, starry, 13:30:36, 9/25/2001, (#61) v_p, Pedro, 13:27:09, 9/25/2001, (#58) Brightlight speaks the truth!, ayelean, 10:17:18, 9/25/2001, (#45) v_p, Brightlight, 10:17:06, 9/25/2001, (#44) I rest, v_p, 10:28:09, 9/25/2001, (#46) Ordinarily..., LurkerXIV, 10:38:15, 9/25/2001, (#47) Really?, RiverRat, 11:09:07, 9/25/2001, (#48) Hello, Pedro, 12:26:24, 9/25/2001, (#50) Pedro? hahahahahahahahaha!, Ginja, 14:26:42, 9/25/2001, (#71) Ginja, Pedro, 15:27:47, 9/25/2001, (#74) Brighlight, Mini, 12:24:54, 9/25/2001, (#49) Part Right Lurker, RiverRat, 12:31:48, 9/25/2001, (#51) That is horrifying, Brightlight, Cassandra, 13:15:05, 9/25/2001, (#55) Excellent BL, Mandarin, 13:10:16, 9/25/2001, (#53) RR, Pedro, 13:04:33, 9/25/2001, (#52) OMG, I'm not believing this..., v_p, 13:30:18, 9/25/2001, (#60) Intrepid ..., Mandarin, 13:24:10, 9/25/2001, (#57) Well, Pedro, 13:29:34, 9/25/2001, (#59) v_p, Pedro, 13:37:48, 9/25/2001, (#63) Pedro, starry, 13:47:12, 9/25/2001, (#66) Starry.., Pedro, 14:02:51, 9/25/2001, (#68) Pedro, starry, 14:07:05, 9/25/2001, (#69) Starry, Pedro, 14:08:53, 9/25/2001, (#70) Nah Pedro ..., Mandarin, 13:34:36, 9/25/2001, (#62) Cut It Out Pedro, Mandarin, 13:46:09, 9/25/2001, (#65) Mandarin, Pedro, 14:02:06, 9/25/2001, (#67) Sure, Pedro, 13:39:01, 9/25/2001, (#64) Well V-P, Ginja, 14:58:28, 9/25/2001, (#73) Seniority Counts, RiverRat, 15:49:31, 9/25/2001, (#79) Ginja, v_p, 15:39:40, 9/25/2001, (#78) v_p, Ginja, 16:46:12, 9/25/2001, (#84) Ginja, Ruby, 18:49:50, 9/26/2001, (#106) Lord, v_p, 18:03:12, 9/25/2001, (#90) Your vileness, janphi, 18:41:09, 9/25/2001, (#93) Yes brainiac?, v_p, 19:48:01, 9/25/2001, (#98) Oh, go share a room with Mary99, RiverRat, 17:08:12, 9/25/2001, (#85) Ginja, Pedro, 15:31:00, 9/25/2001, (#76) I stole this from FS, Baybb, 14:29:16, 9/25/2001, (#72) Help , Colorado Babe, 15:31:08, 9/25/2001, (#77) Baybb, Pedro, 15:29:08, 9/25/2001, (#75) Pedro, Baybb, 16:03:53, 9/25/2001, (#80) Baybb, Pedro, 16:07:40, 9/25/2001, (#81) More Pedro?, Baybb, 16:22:57, 9/25/2001, (#83) Colorado Babe, Ally, 16:19:30, 9/25/2001, (#82) This is wild, Real Stormy, 17:11:00, 9/25/2001, (#87) Ally, Colorado Babe, 17:09:58, 9/25/2001, (#86) CB You Got Your Ears On?, Ally, 18:31:47, 9/25/2001, (#92) Baybb, Pedro, 17:49:11, 9/25/2001, (#88) Pedro, Baybb, 18:00:58, 9/25/2001, (#89) Nuclear Meltdown, LoriAnn, 18:30:15, 9/25/2001, (#91) Has anyone noticed, RiverRat, 18:44:13, 9/25/2001, (#94) Lori, Pedro, 19:01:30, 9/25/2001, (#97) Have you noticed, Real Stormy, 18:58:57, 9/25/2001, (#96) Hey Lori, RiverRat, 18:58:00, 9/25/2001, (#95) In the words of the , v_p, 19:49:44, 9/25/2001, (#99) Queen Bitch?, Ally, 19:55:55, 9/25/2001, (#100) 100?, RiverRat, 19:58:00, 9/25/2001, (#101) ha!, Ally, 20:23:01, 9/25/2001, (#102) What did Brightlight Do?, Real Stormy, 21:27:39, 9/25/2001, (#103) Posting Private emails, v_p, 17:31:16, 9/26/2001, (#104) v_p, Real Stormy, 18:09:25, 9/26/2001, (#105) Ruby & RS, v_p, 18:54:41, 9/26/2001, (#107) VP, Ruby, 19:24:31, 9/26/2001, (#110) I do not need your permission, Ruby, 19:06:53, 9/26/2001, (#109) Rstormy et al ..., Mandarin, 19:06:25, 9/26/2001, (#108) Seems to me, Shamrockgirl, 20:43:54, 9/26/2001, (#112) Pati, Pedro, 20:53:07, 9/26/2001, (#113) Pissero, Baybb, 21:07:14, 9/26/2001, (#117) Baybb, Pedro, 21:10:40, 9/26/2001, (#118) Mandarin, Real Stormy, 20:36:12, 9/26/2001, (#111) shamrockgirl, v_p, 21:03:51, 9/26/2001, (#115) Stormy, Shamrockgirl, 20:56:43, 9/26/2001, (#114) Pati, Pedro, 21:06:11, 9/26/2001, (#116) Sure, StCrispin, 21:24:54, 9/26/2001, (#119) Shamrock, Real Stormy, 22:02:27, 9/26/2001, (#120) Why Oh Why???, Mandarin, 22:39:32, 9/26/2001, (#121) Mandarin, Baybb, 23:12:14, 9/26/2001, (#122) I don't have anything to add, but, Longhorn, 23:27:10, 9/26/2001, (#123) hey milkshake, , v_p, 23:44:50, 9/26/2001, (#124) V_P, Baybb, 23:50:24, 9/26/2001, (#125) Hey Baybb, Twitch, 04:50:59, 9/27/2001, (#126) Hi Twitch, Baybb, 06:25:43, 9/27/2001, (#127) Twitch, v_p, 07:09:01, 9/27/2001, (#128) vp, Twitch, 07:28:43, 9/27/2001, (#130) Twitch, RiverRat, 07:25:54, 9/27/2001, (#129) RR, Baybb, 07:59:17, 9/27/2001, (#131) I doubt it, RiverRat, 08:29:41, 9/27/2001, (#132) RR, Baybb, 08:42:07, 9/27/2001, (#133) The Pissboy , tamster, 08:59:15, 9/27/2001, (#134) Tam, Baybb, 09:13:42, 9/27/2001, (#135) Baybb, RiverRat, 09:36:54, 9/27/2001, (#137) RiverRat, Baybb, 09:58:05, 9/27/2001, (#140) Babyb, Ally, 09:26:52, 9/27/2001, (#136) MY GOD!, Cassandra, 09:57:06, 9/27/2001, (#139) I give Cass, RiverRat, 10:37:31, 9/27/2001, (#142) Ally, Baybb, 09:41:38, 9/27/2001, (#138) BB, Ally, 11:24:47, 9/27/2001, (#143) That's a relief, Baybb, Cassandra, 10:03:49, 9/27/2001, (#141) Baybb, Pedro, 11:37:27, 9/27/2001, (#144) Pedro, Baybb, 12:00:09, 9/27/2001, (#146) Yes, Pedro, 15:12:59, 9/27/2001, (#150) Get your, Cassandra, 11:45:13, 9/27/2001, (#145) Cassandra, Pedro, 15:14:12, 9/27/2001, (#151) Brightlight Can't Come Here Anymore, Arwa, 14:45:31, 9/27/2001, (#148) Arwa, Wade, 15:16:09, 9/27/2001, (#152) Pedro, Baybb, 14:15:21, 9/27/2001, (#147) Baybb, Pedro, 15:10:01, 9/27/2001, (#149) Soap Opera, Flanagan, 15:31:21, 9/27/2001, (#154) LOL Pedro, Baybb, 15:28:29, 9/27/2001, (#153) Baybb, Pedro, 19:23:16, 9/27/2001, (#157) Pedrone, LoriAnn, 16:52:42, 9/27/2001, (#155) LuluAnn, Pedro, 19:27:35, 9/27/2001, (#159) Yo, Drama Queen!, Ally, 18:39:01, 9/27/2001, (#156) Ally, Pedro, 19:33:57, 9/27/2001, (#162) Geez..., LoriAnn, 19:25:49, 9/27/2001, (#158) Lori, Pedro, 19:31:16, 9/27/2001, (#161) OK. That foul name calling of JonBenet..., Dunvegan, 19:28:55, 9/27/2001, (#160) Dunvegan, Pedro, 19:35:26, 9/27/2001, (#163) This Forum, tamster, 21:40:46, 9/27/2001, (#164) Yeah, Pedro, 21:48:23, 9/27/2001, (#165) IMHO, JR, 21:55:40, 9/27/2001, (#166) JR, Pedro, 22:00:36, 9/27/2001, (#167) To Justice Watch, Shamrockgirl, 22:09:14, 9/27/2001, (#168) Actually, Shamrock, Real Stormy, 22:13:17, 9/27/2001, (#169) Real Stormy, Shamrockgirl, 22:18:00, 9/27/2001, (#170) ................................................................... "Monitored and Censored?" Posted by Ginja on 15:09:35 9/23/2001 Is this what this whole mess boils down to? That JW, formerly set up as a meeting place for adults to discuss such compelling topics as a homicide investigation of a child, missing and exploited children, and now the terrorist attack on the U.S., should actually be a 24/7 monitored forum for children that censors everything that's posted? And what's this business of due process talked about at Flamesleuths. Banned posters actually have a "hearing" to properly adjudicate their time-outs? Hello? Both Chris and Dunvegan have set out certain guidelines as to what should and shouldn't be posted, guidelines that include rights to privacy, copyrights, and netiquette. As adults, it's implicit that if one of us breaks any of those rules or guidelines, we're banned...period. That some posters were given mere time-outs to cool off seems pretty more than fair to me. Ditto for pov's. As adults, we should all be able to post our own views without fear of ridicule or retribution; likewise, as adults, we should all recognize the rights of others to post their pov's, regardless of how different they are from our own. Unfortunately, as time has proven, we couldn't even handle something as simple as acceptance! JW suffered through what could only be called a civil war, breaking the forum into two factions: those who believed in an FW/NK connection, and those who didn't. Instead of sticking to topic, posters got personal, attacking the writers, not the subject matter. It has never been the duty of either Chris or Dunvegan to monitor or censor forum discussions; their only duty has been to provide a sanctuary for discussion -- not flame wars. They are the ones who were/are liable for whatever took place here, both legally and monitarily -- not the sick poster who had nothing better to do than to flame away, disregarding others rights to civility, privacy, 'copyrights', etc. Since neither Chris nor Dun are Big Brother or otherwise full-time forum monitors, they relied on the JW community to keep them informed of any breaches to the guidelines each set forth. If someone was banned or timed-out, it was only because the webmasters had received alerts or information from other posters. Therein may lie the problem. Since we were in the middle of a civil war, naturally, factions would band together and could click alert or send an email at their whimsy. I'm not saying such alerts were non-issues; only suggesting that perhaps the 'voting' was stacked; perhaps deliberately, perhaps not. The derogatory titles of Queens is appalling to me. If such titles are meant for Chris and Dunvegan, then you have only yourselves to blame. For it's not the "Queens" arbitrarily deciding who should stay and who should go or what topic should be discussed or which topic shouldn't be discussed. This isn't the Swamp! These so-called "Queens" are reacting to forum input. They'd have nothing to "react" to if they weren't being "alerted" or emailed by the warring factions. And who are all these people posting most of this chit anyway? Are these old hats who have returned because Dunvegan opened enrollment when she took the helm? Did they come here to pick up where they left off? And where is all this chum and flotsom, aka "discussion topics", coming from? JW? No...things are being pulled from here and cut and pasted all over the internet. Slamfests are going on at Cybersleuths and Webbsleuths and now there's even a special forum solely for the purpose of flaming! So why doesn't it all stay at those forums? Why bring it back here? Why get all riled up about it here? Why is it even being discussed here? When's the last time Diwi posted here, or Denver? Now suddenly they've got threads going up here and there on JW. The JBR forum is filled with "propaganda" shit that has no business being in that forum, yet the threads fill up fast with vicious ridicule and flaming. Long-time posters, people who have been posting here since the days of J-7, are calling it quits. All because of a few multiple-hat cowards whose only purpose is to go from forum to forum, thread to thread, raking up chum and flotsam, pitting posters against each other and stirring up nonsensical chit. My only question is why are you letting them get away with it? They want Big Brother? They want 24/7 monitoring and censorship? Then Dun, ban them. As for everyone else, my only suggestion would be to ignore them, don't fall for their crap. They're intentionally trying to stir you up and put you at each other's throats. You're all allowing yourselves to be manipulated by these people. Every few years we go through the 'waves' of flame wars and discontent. We've been through it all before, we can get through it again. It's nothing more than another one of our "cleansings". Keep the BS off JW. Let them all do their thing at other forums. Don't drag it all back here. My best advice is to rise above it all. There are hundreds of firefighters and cops going through rubble looking for the body parts of almost 7,000 innocent men, women and children; and there's the tiny corpse of a six year old child decaying in the bowels of the earth....do we really give a f**k who's saying what about Dunvegan or Mrs. Brady or Chris or WY or Morgan or anyone else at other forums and chat rooms? If you actually give a f**k about the latter, then you're a sorry lot and I think many would agree with me that your time here has passed. It's time for you to leave Justice Watch. I assure you, you won't be missed! [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Ginja..." Posted by StCrispin on 15:17:31 9/23/2001 You are lost. dunvegan has nothing to do with the Queens, Chris is one of them. Ginja, Denver, one of chris' buddies, come here to attack Dunvegan with a *ditto* from chris to Mrs.Brady's out of the blue *good bye* BS! yes, Ginja, I think you're lost on this. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Not worth it, Good Luck Dunvegan :)" Posted by samantha on 18:04:55 9/23/2001 If my posting here is going to rile up the mentally ill and cause their obsession with me to flare up then I won't be hanging here. :) Take care all :) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Ginja" Posted by v_p on 18:19:49 9/23/2001 A little homework wouldn't kill ya before you go off half-cocked. The queens are the loverly ladies at FS who no one really reads so they bring it here to get attention. NO ONE called Dun a Queen... wherever did you come up with that? Dun is handling it just fine Ginja. As for the importance of what's going on, there's not much importance to it... which is why it was moved to the WOR... you do realize you're in the WOR, right? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Dunvegan a Queen?" Posted by LurkerXIV on 19:11:59 9/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:11:59, 9/26/2001 . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Hey LurkerlXLKCLKJS" Posted by 1000Sparks on 09:49:22 9/24/2001 I know I was a queeen in my before life cause I really really like being waited upon..and getting my way. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Watch Out, Sparks!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 19:12:49 9/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:12:49, 9/26/2001 . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Ginja" Posted by China on 18:20:04 9/23/2001 Always think of China when the word Queen comes up. Thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "You will know us" Posted by Ally on 19:20:54 9/23/2001 by our English. Queen Ally [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "imposters" Posted by pinker on 05:03:14 9/24/2001 Ginja's take seems right on to me but I've only been around since Feburary of 2000. Ginja is a frequent flyer. You others not, at least not wearing those hats. You've made it hard for us less worldly posters to partcipate. JW is no longer about the investigation of JonBenet's murder. That's been covered completely. There is little else to undress. ;) The frustration of no prosecution seems the driving force behind this madness. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "To the JW God..." Posted by Brightlight on 16:49:49 9/24/2001 v_p posted to Ginja: > A little homework wouldn't kill ya before you > go off half-cocked. And it wouldn't kill YA to keep your fucking mouth shut. For you to even attempt to match wits with Ginja is a no brainer. IN MY OPINION...you are a complete and total asshole. Congratulations. It is always an achievement when one has learned to do something well. Your incessant policing of this forum for the benefit of bullying others, along with your immature, uninformed, uneducated little clique of Computer Rambos tripping over themselves to suck up to the forum owner of the day, have run the vast majority of thinking posters off. Not many left here other than the ones with multiple hats. JW is getting closer to looking just like Jam's forum. Believe otherwise but that is a FACT. Congratulations on making JW the forum of boredom and idiocy. Don't bother to respond. In order to care about what you had to say would require some semblance of respect. Something none of you narcissists deserve. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "BL" Posted by StCrispin on 21:33:50 9/24/2001 Aren't you the wacko who got Paralegal banned from JW based on your personal feeling of her behavior in a supermarket where you did some groceries shooping for Paralegal and you screamed in the cash registrer for all to hear how you were helping her buying some food? Yes, I think "sense of entitlement" were your words on the phone with the *Boss*! Go back to the Vets, wacko! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "dulllight" Posted by v_p on 21:26:52 9/24/2001 >v_p posted to Ginja:> A little homework >wouldn't kill ya before you > >go off half-cocked. >And it wouldn't kill YA to keep >your fucking mouth shut. I'm using a keyboard, my mouth is not involved :o) >For you to even attempt to match >wits with Ginja is a no >brainer. You could very well be right, Ginja is one sharp cookie... even sharp cookies go off half-cocked sometimes. >IN MY OPINION...you are a complete and >total asshole. Oh sheesh, and I do so respect your opinion... here and at the "other" forum. I'll try to do better just for you... OK? >Congratulations. It is always an achievement >when one has learned to do >something well. Slap me down and pick me up... you tease! >Your incessant policing of this forum for >the benefit of bullying others, along >with your immature, uninformed, uneducated little >clique of Computer Rambos tripping over >themselves to suck up to the >forum owner of the day, have >run the vast majority of thinking >posters off. Wow, Rambo huh? I didn't realize he was a suck-up... gosh, I'll have to watch First Blood again.. I completely missed something. As for sucking up to the forum owner of the day... I've never "sucked up" to a forum owner. I genuinely disliked and had a hinky feeling about Chris and I genuinely like and have a good feeling about Dunvegan. I've only been on the forum for about 1 1/2 years so I didn't know Chris in her glory days. I only knew the Chris who gladly took money and never bothered to acknowledge receipt of it, (at least to me), and the Chris who formed an alliance with 4 or 5 posters and banned or publically reprimanded anyone who disagreed with said 4. She couldn't be bothered to answer the simplest of emails and hardly had time to contribute an opinion. The last contribution she has made here even after handing it over to Dun was a one word post which followed ma brady's... "ditto." Class. Dun, OTOH, has contributed greatly to the forum and is struggling mightily with those who are out to destroy the forum... my hunch is Chris is behind them. Dun is honest and caring and intelligent and, as is obvious on this thread, patient. I don't suck up to Dunvegan, I honestly respect her. >Not many left here other than the >ones with multiple hats. JW >is getting closer to looking just >like Jam's forum. Believe otherwise >but that is a FACT. Then why don't you do yourself a favor and ask Dun to terminate your membership? And take the rest of the belly-aching queens with you. >Congratulations on making JW the forum of >boredom and idiocy. Why are you here? Oh, your contribution to Justice for JonBenet, silly me. >Don't bother to respond. In order to >care about what you had to >say would require some semblance of >respect. Yeah, you'll be back, lmao. >Something none of you narcissists deserve. Great post Brightlight, you do realize you are speaking to people on a computer with real lives, right? As usual, upon the first reading of your post I cracked up. I can't get over people who get so worked up over the cyber world. You're taking this much too personally. Did you know there's a war going on? In real life... yeah, it's serious as hell too Bright... like lots of people are dead and missing. I'm just glad to be alive with my RL family... flame the hell on :o) LMAO [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "um" Posted by Ruby on 18:47:49 9/24/2001 Your incessant policing of this forum for the benefit of bullying others, along with your immature, uninformed, uneducated little clique of Computer Rambos tripping over themselves to suck up to the forum owner of the day, have run the vast majority of thinking posters off.Don't bother to respond. In order to care about what you had to say would require some semblance of respect. Something none of you narcissists deserve. Now I am jealous. For the record Ginja, your attempts to simplify complicated data - in a sincere attempt at JFJBR was appreciated by many. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Bright-Light..." Posted by DAWN on 17:27:45 9/24/2001 Take your regurgitated venom back to your dark pit...your "Bright-Light" has been spent... now run along dearie... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Amen, Brightlight" Posted by Mini on 17:26:55 9/24/2001 ...suddenly...there's no new...points of view...just posters saying how great...other posters are...or putting down others...who express anything...that they disagree with. Sweet dreams...and nitey nite across the sea.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "My comments" Posted by Thor on 18:01:35 9/24/2001 I have been staying out of the line of fire here for awhile because I am relatively new to the boards and admit I do not know a lot about some of the friction and problems between various folks. Since I do not, I will speak for myself and what I think of the folks here that I have only known since about April of this year, although I read the forums for about a year before that. No one tells me what to believe or if I should suck up to anyone here, moderators or posters. I don't suck up to ANYONE. What you see is what you get with me. If I feel like telling someone to have a great day, I'll tell 'em. No matter who they are. No bs. And I am not goddamned robot, either. In fact, I consider myself kind of a rebel in a lot of ways. What I say is what I mean. And I have respect for just about everyone here I've seen post. There are some exceptions but for the most part I feel they are kind people who want to give opinions on this horrible case. I have my own feelings and thoughts and have felt very welcome here and find most opinions very good and interesting. And I feel I have made friends here. To me, that's the way it should be. Life is way to damned short for some of the crapola I've witnessed lately. Especially, after all the lives lost on 9/11/01. I just don't understand where this hatred is coming from. I didn't have access to a computer to join this forum when what sounds like all these great people were here that are here no longer. Multiple hats here? I know I am under one damned sombrero and that is Thor/Thorkim (because more letters were required). And I happen to enjoy this place because people seem to respect each other for the most part. For the most part. I will stand by Dun because I alone think she's done great by accepting responsibility for this forum. I wasn't going to say anything and I may regret it. But that is, for the most part, what I have to say. Life is just too short for such nonsense. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Am I to understand, Brightlight?" Posted by Real Stormy on 17:59:54 9/24/2001 That you disapprove of v_p's response to Ginja's post? Am I to further understand, Mini, that when Brightlight puts down v_p, that is acceptable to you? It's only when you agree with disparaging remarks that you find them acceptable? Oh, I see. Rather selective are you? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Thank you v_p, St. Crispin, et al..." Posted by Ginja on 18:52:41 9/24/2001 ...for making my point: Children (with low comprehension skills) at "play". Yes, v_p, I'm fully aware of where I am, here in the WOR. It is appalling to me that from my entire post, all that was pulled for comment/response was my "understanding" of Queens. First, you completely ignored the post's opening, which sentence ended with a question mark. IOW, I was asking a question. A very important question, asking if this is what this whole mess at JW boiled down to. A mature response would have been to that initial question. As regards the Queens comment, again, my comment was prefaced with the word: IF. Did we not get far enough in our studies in grammar school to miss out such clues as question marks and qualifiers? My take on most of the responses here explains why the discussion topics at JW have taken such a plunge. My apologies for going over your heads and writing at a level that exceeds your comprehension abilities. Yes Thor, there was a time when JW was filled with thinkers of high caliber. But for many of those mature adults, such immature foolishness that's besieged this forum of late have sent many of those great posters into hibernation. We're simply waiting for this idiocy to stop. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Ginja" Posted by v_p on 21:02:38 9/24/2001 I'd like to preface by saying there have been, IMO, more than a few great posts from you Ginja... but sometimes you don't know your limits... ~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~~ >...for making my point: >Children (with low comprehension skills) at "play". How condescending Ginja, and how like you. You are very informative when it comes to law, and like most people in that profession, you feel like you know a lot about everything else... that's not the case. No flame intended, but sometimes you go a little too far. >Yes, v_p, I'm fully aware of where >I am, here in the WOR. Cool. >It is appalling to me that from >my entire post, all that was >pulled for comment/response was my "understanding" >of Queens. Speaking of comprehension skills, if you had read all of the threads, you would have known what we were talking about when we said, "Queens." That was my only point. >First, you completely ignored the post's opening, >which sentence ended with a question >mark. I didn't ignore it, again, if you had read the rest of the threads and posts on this subject, you would have seen you were being repetitive. Believe it or not, you weren't saying anything new... IOW, I've already commented on the same thing at least 10 times prior to your post. >IOW, I was asking >a question. A very important >question, asking if this is what >this whole mess at JW boiled >down to. If you'd read the other threads and posts, you'd know the answer to your own question. >A mature response would have been to >that initial question. >As regards the Queens comment, again, my >comment was prefaced with the word: >IF. Did we not get >far enough in our studies in >grammar school to miss out such >clues as question marks and qualifiers? A typical condescending Ginja remark... have you thought about applying for a position as a queen?? >My take on most of the responses >here explains why the discussion topics >at JW have taken such a >plunge. >My apologies for going over your heads >and writing at a level that >exceeds your comprehension abilities. Again, the Queens use the "comprehension" ticket very loosely... you'd fit right in. >Yes Thor, there was a time when >JW was filled with thinkers of >high caliber. But for many >of those mature adults, such immature >foolishness that's besieged this forum of >late have sent many of those >great posters into hibernation. What JBR news is there to think and write about these days Ginja? Honestly, enlighten me. I've seen these same words written several times. You go start a thread and the great thinkers may come out in droves... provided it's not something they haven't already hashed beyond recognition. >We're simply waiting for this idiocy to >stop. By posting "we're" I assume you are including yourself as one of the great thinkers. Indeed, you are a perfect candidate to be a Queen. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Real Stormy" Posted by Mini on 18:50:57 9/24/2001 I put up with an awful lot of hateful remarks from the Gang of 5 merely because I expressed a point of view that they disagreed with and my words were twisted beyond anything that I intended. I was merely agreeing with Brightlight that the Gang's comments were bullying, uneducated, and immature. The overwhelming majority of the posters don't fit that description and I enjoy the different points of view. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "RS" Posted by RiverRat on 18:32:19 9/24/2001 Sounds like more of the "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" mentality that led the way for years. OOH [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Yes RR" Posted by Real Stormy on 18:45:59 9/24/2001 And I find it refreshing that the real truth is coming to light and Dun understands it and is taking the action necessary to maintain control of HER own forum. I'd also like to say that Morgon's post about Dun at FS was probably the most tasteless and personally cruel post I have seen on that or any internet forum. No matter how she tries to squirm out of it now, everyone knows exactly what she meant. I personally won't forget it. OOH, indeed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Well, Mini" Posted by Real Stormy on 19:24:31 9/24/2001 I could be wrong, and if so, I'm sorry, but as I recall the episode, a number of posters were expressing that their faith in God was a comfort to them in the shock and insecurity they felt about the Sept. 11 attack. I took your posts to be an attempt at ridicule of their faith because you are an atheist and you felt above all that. Perhaps I was mistaken. For myself, I have looked at all sides of the issue and have reached a conclusion about it which differs from yours. I assume you have done the same and have reached the conclusion that God does not exist. That's your right and I respect it. I do not think it the right thing to do to ridicule those of us who have reached a conclusion differing from yours nor is it right to try to assert your opinion with them which I thought you were doing, especially under the circumstances which now exist. As I told you before, my faith is a comfort to me and I am sorry you do not have that comfort. But I have no right to ridicule your lack of it nor do you have the right to ridicule us. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Real Stormy" Posted by Mini on 19:48:47 9/24/2001 I have never ridiculed anyone's religion. My points throughout the threads since 9/ll have been: 1) don't make sudden, emotional decisions (one of Bush's luxuries is TIME which is not usually available in a time of war), 2) try to see what caused the desperation that led to the terrorism, and 3) realize that our government is secular and decisions should not be based on religious beliefs (isn't that what's driving the terrorists?). Your religious beliefs are yours alone and I would never belittle them (if you check though the posts you'll see I never did). Please don't belittle mine (10% of the population). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Mini" Posted by Ginja on 19:53:32 9/24/2001 To your point no. 2 above, the simple answer is that the terrorists did not act out of desperation or were they desperate in any way. It's a way of life for them...they truly believe that the more 'infidels' they murder, the better their position in heaven will be. You can't reason with that kind of belief system. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Ginja" Posted by Real Stormy on 20:31:24 9/24/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:31:24, 9/24/2001 Not only that, but they have 12 beautiful virgins to entertain them in heaven. Ever wonder what the 12 virgins think of that? Mini, please re-read my post. Not only do I not ridicule your philosophy, I said I respect your right to hold it. Do not try to reinterpret what I said. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "As an impartial observer..." Posted by cappuccina on 21:33:01 9/24/2001 ...I mostly lurk here, as my home is Websleuths, I just have this to say... If y'all put as much energy into doing community service/volunteer work/helping the needy and disadvantaged, working at a school, working at a food bank, doing something for the children left parentless by the WTC/Pentagon attacks, etc., as you do doing high-school cliquish superficial sniping at each other, the world would be a much different place... Who gives a shit about any of this... There are currently thousands of children who have just had one or both parents murdered in the WTC/Pentagon attacks...Not to mention the children who don't come from intact of safe homes to begin with....Many American children come to school without breakfast, and the only meal they eat every day is a school lunch...Many American families have inadequate or no health care, even though both parents work full-time... I just finished processing book orders for my children's school, and I cried when I realized that it is a stretch for some families to buy a couple of 95-cent books for their children...The mom who had a money order made out (from the check cashing place) for $1.89 to the book club for two sale books because she doesn't have a checking account....The father of another family at our school who committed suicide, leaving a wife and four kids with no life insurance or death benefits (because he committed suicide)... What the f*ck is the matter with you people, fighting over stuff that doesn't even matter....Get off your asses and put your vitriol to use...do something for your community, if you aren't already...It's not all about you, or me...it's about everyone ,and what we are all going to do to ensure our children's and our neighbors' childrens' future... Dunvegan, IMO, comes across as a a very intelligent, funny, "with it" and concerned individual...That's my take in a nutshell... There, I'm done now... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Real Stormy and Ginja" Posted by Mini on 21:23:54 9/24/2001 Real Stormy--telling me that I don't "have that comfort" sound patronizing to me. Ginja--I'm not trying to start a fight, but understand that there's "something" that caused their actions. Cutting off our support to Israel or demanding that they get out of Palestinian lands would be a BIG step in normalizing relations in the Middle-East. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Presumptuous Capp?" Posted by v_p on 21:45:46 9/24/2001 27. "As an impartial observer..." Posted by cappuccina on 21:33:01 9/24/2001 ...I mostly lurk here, as my home is Websleuths, I just have this to say... If y'all put as much energy into doing community service/volunteer work/helping the needy and disadvantaged, working at a school, working at a food bank, doing something for the children left parentless by the WTC/Pentagon attacks, etc., as you do doing high-school cliquish superficial sniping at each other, the world would be a much different place... ~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Fine to express your opinion, but you don't have a clue as to what we do in RL. I spend about 2 hours a day total here, more on the weekends... that's plenty of time to be snippy and to do volunteer work, etc., too, thank you very much ... so, posting what you did above takes a lot of nerve. Get a grip. Of course most of this is petty, and for some, a much needed release... you are the one who seems to be taking this much too seriously. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Here's a site that might put things..." Posted by cappuccina on 21:59:45 9/24/2001 ...in perspective for you... http://www.nydailynews.com/manual/news/Attack/missing.asp [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Hey, V_P" Posted by Mini on 22:16:02 9/24/2001 Guess what? I agree with you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "capp" Posted by v_p on 22:06:13 9/24/2001 If you had been here the week of the terrorist attack, you would have seen an empty JBR and WOR forum... look at the dates, no one posted in the WOR at all... we were all at the terrorist forum dun set up for us... thread after thread after thread of the devastation. I watched it on television until I couldn't watch it anymore. I gave to 3 charities, I prayed, I talked to my friends... we even formed a support group. You aren't showing us anything we haven't seen Capp... I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't realize the USA will likely never be the same. And most importantly, most of us realize this forum pales dramatically in comparison. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Mini & Real Stormy" Posted by Brightlight on 22:25:21 9/24/2001 Mini: It may interest you to know that there are numerous posters here who share your belief system. They don't often bring it up for reasons you've just experienced. Debating much of anything with RS especially is no contest and simply not worth the effort. Real Stormy: Still having that old nagging problem with reading comprehension, I see. But my, look at your new improved makeover at trying to appear refined and genteel as a cover for your sucking up to the new owner. Be ye transformed... Help me, jeezus! Hypocrisy doesn't get any better than this. One more thing, RS...you told Mini that your faith was a comfort to you and you were sorry she does not have that comfort. You may or may not be sincere but don't you understand the arrogance (and ignorance) of your words when you automatically assume Mini, or anyone else, has no spiritual/mental/intellectual comfort...just because she does not share your particular version of what a belief system should entail? Who are you to say that she is NOT at peace and therefore comforted? Oh well...keep up that cultivated facade, it's very entertaining. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Pedro, So glad you asked..." Posted by Brightlight on 00:01:15 9/25/2001 I am well aware that documented facts go against your nature but here they are, starting at the beginning. This is your email apology to me last March after making several derogatory posts about me on JW. Your apology came only after Chris and I had talked on the phone for an hour and a half; she then called you suggesting that you apologize to me. It is most telling that you had no problem posting your derogatory comments to me publicly but weren't man enough to post your apology, emailing it instead. (While you were posting and applauding him on, Wy. Little did you know the truth of the matter, proving how subjective and biased you are in spite of your denials to the contrary.) PL was banned from JW before Chris and I ever talked or finally emailed as you had withheld my email to Chris, refusing to forward it...just as you did with a few other posters email. A third party gave me her personal email address. After this I will post my response to you, Pedro, as Part 2 and an addendum as Part 3. Be careful what you ask for... Subj: Pedro here Date: 03/11/2001 1:39:34 AM Mountain Standard Time From: jbrmoderators@yahoo.com (Justice Watch Moderators) To: jkauff2017@aol.com Dear BrightLight; Not long ago we did have a disagreement in JW where I am one of the moderators. Since then things have been a bit busy at JW and in real life, reason why I couldn't explain you my point of view properly before and I do apologize for this delay. Many people doesn't remember often that I am a moderator and that's exactly how I like it to be, almost never I do use my moderating instruments but my personal silliness to solve arguments that go off the acceptable behaviors. I must tell you now that I have no problem with you nor I did in the past. At the time when I did posted back to you about other people been deceitful and other than what they say they are, in other words dishonest, we were at JW dealing with some other problems related to fights between personalities in the forum. I didn't try to intimidate you, people who know me a bit better knows that freedom of speech is one of the most important rights for any human to me and they know I am a defender of individual rights anywhere and anytime. I didn't mind to intimidate you with my first post, it was my way to let you know there was reasons for you to better let that subject sleep at that point. I am sorry I wasn't clear enough for you to see I was asking you to let it go as a moderator, again I don't normally call myself that, I prefer do things in a more diplomatic way. I wasn't having any doubt about your honesty, nor I do now, just the other way around, by you making your suspicions public, others could get ready, that's why in the future you should, IMHO, contact Chris, China, or myself if you ever have a situation like this where you actually have information on a dishonest action by a JW member. If we keep this things at a low profile level with discrection, we can act and check out your story without them knowing that and getting ready. At the same time, if you accuse someone of a wrong action, but you don't say who, many could feel accused because they been accused of those same things in the past by others while you aren't referring to them, i.e., if they told 3 year ago that the poster Fly was FW and now you post that there's people who isn't what they seem to be, fly could believe the old story is back and that you're making reference to him. Other people could just think that you have some gossip, but isn't confirmed and that shouldn't be posted in the open, other could think that you're involved in a fight with other poster and you're just using dirty methods to fight. And many more possible implications all them wrong, but all them on the heads of other posters after read your post. In this situation I am sure you can see why I wanted to keep it off the forum and we try to have you contacting any of us or Chris, we been looking at that poster since some time ago, yes we have our suspicions, but unless someone came forward like you did, we have no way to solve it, however is always better in such delicate matters to address directly any of us. Then the posters go in a crazy witch-hunt, they begin by Slinky, then Paralegal, then MW, then Ginja...I have some experience on these forums, and I could see the war between posters coming, so that's why I did try to stop you from debate the Paralegal issue in open forum. I did defend Paralegal on many forums, not because I thought she was legit or she was honest but because she was been attacked for her disgrace and needs, she was laugh at because she was broke and in need of help and I can't let that happen without put a fight. To me it wasn't about paralegal been honest or not, was about honest people like you, willing to help a friend member of a community we all are part of, JW, so real that my wife of 2 years now is a woman I knew in JW, China. That community has members like you who take action and support others as we do in any other community, retired co-workers, retired civil servants or what we call in my country Gentleman retied of service (like your American veterans of war) all these human communities contain within themselves the greatness of the human solidarity and decency so need today by all in our society. I did defend Paralegal in those other forums as a member of my community JW who was in need and got help from many of the JW members, and that's a great act of humanity, decency and love. Paralegal wasn't as honest as she seemed to be? I don't care, the great acts were those made by people like you BrightLight, offering help and support without expect anything in return, that spirit I did defend in those other forums, they were calling you, us, JW members idiots, well, I prefer be an idiot with my conscience in peace because I done what is right than be a very smart person who won't help others in need for fair to be victim of an scam. No, I help when I can, if the recipient of the help is dishonest then is his or her problem, I done what is right by helping. Now some of my remarks in that post, as the mention to a *private club* were not addressed to you at all but to others. Yes I know your experience with Paralegal and I believe you, I did talk with Chris and Paralegal is banned from JW, as you see we take action when we have to. I am very much distressed and very unhappy with Paralegal's behavior with you and her sense of entitlement. Dear BL, I hope you understand my position, in that thread a fire was burning and I have to stop it, then we can look at it as we did, I think is better if you contact any of us. In JW we really look at things carefully and expend much of our time working for JW, specially Chris, she's a very brilliant and dedicated woman and as you see she has taken action and she has make the right decision. Please accept my apologies if in my post to you I was rude or my manners weren't the proper ones, I am very sorry and I regret it deeply, I hope you understand my need to act that way at that point on time and I hope you'll believe me if I tell you it wasn't a personal issue with you. I wish you the best and don't hesitate in contact me if I can be of any assistance for you in the future. Best Regards. Per (Pedro) Von Hapsburg. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "#2: My response to Pedro's apology" Posted by Brightlight on 01:33:16 9/25/2001 Following is my response to Pedro's apology using the USENET posting format due to difficulty following his ramblings. Subj: ATTN: Pedro Date: 03/15/2001 11:26:54 AM Mountain Standard Time From: JKauff2017 To: jbrmoderators@yahoo.com CC: cwheeler42@voyager.net > Dear BrightLight; > > Not long ago we did have a disagreement in > JW where I am one of the moderators. Since > then things have been a bit busy at JW and > in real life, reason why I couldnt explain > you my point of view properly before and I > do apologize for this delay. No need to apologize for the delay, however, your recent email has served to create more disagreement between us, not less. For the record I've never had a problem with you until now; your current status as a moderator notwithstanding. Your posts directed at me on JW were rude, overbearing and worse, you clearly sided with one poster while attacking me. More importantly, you inserted yourself into a situation that you knew very little about. I have been and continue to be in the eye of the storm, you are not. So for you to tell me how to conduct myself under the circumstances is unprofessional. And last but not least...after finding out that you were wrong about the person you so staunchly defended on a public forum you apologized via email rather than posting it on JW. To use your word, that seems downright cowardly. > Many people doesnt remember often that I am > a moderator and thats exactly how I like it > to be, almost never I do use my moderating > instruments but my personal silliness to solve > arguments that go off the acceptable behaviors. > I must tell you now that I have no problem with > you nor I did in the past. Say what you will and try as you might to be humble the FACT is you do refer to your status as a JW moderator fairly frequently...in posts, as well as your recent email. Here's one of your comments from a post: > ...reason why I do moderate JW and you dont. As for the REAL reason you moderate JW and I don't...I've never applied. > At the time when I did posted back to you about > other people been deceitful and other than what > they say they are, in other words dishonest, we > were at JW dealing with some other problems > related to fights between personalities in the > forum. Is that when you posted: > We went then, by that Bright Light > unknown and quit new poster... > > BL give the names or retract yourself thats > what a decent person will do. > > Sorry but I think some people here > need a reality check and need a darn > life. > > I dont like witch hunt, I dont like > half trues, and I dont like those > cowards who tell the sin but not the > sinner... > ...I dont like double standards. Doesn't sound like you're referring to other people. > I didnt try to intimidate you, people who know > me a bit better knows that freedom of speech is > one of the most important rights for any human > to me and they know I am a defender of > individual rights anywhere and anytime. Then why did you post: > 2. - My opinion isnt subjective, my opinion is > right and your behavior wrong... Surely you know that the definition of subjective means individual viewpoint or bias. We may all think we're right but the fact is...ALL opinion is subjective. That includes yours. And for the record...it was your behavior that turned out to be wrong. > I didnt mind to intimidate you with my first > post, it was my way to let you know there was > reasons for you to better let that subject > sleep at that point. I am sorry I wasnt clear > enough for you to see I was asking you to let > it go as a moderator, again I dont normally > call myself that, I prefer do things in a more > diplomatic way. This is from your first post which you've just referenced: > We all know names etc, we just behave > ourselves and don't drop shit to be > stired as some did. No where do I see a reason to let the subject drop with what you've written here. (And once again you bring up your moderator status.) > I wasnt having any doubt about your honesty, > nor I do now, just the other way around, by > you making your suspicions public, others > could get ready, thats why in the future you > should, IMHO, contact Chris, China, or myself > if you ever have a situation like this where > you actually have information on a dishonest > action by a JW member. If we keep this things > at a low profile level with discrection, we > can act and check out your story without them > knowing that and getting ready. Whether you trust me or not is not my concern. And do you really believe that I would contact you for any reason, especially one of a confidential nature, after you've trashed me on a public forum, not to mention any possible harm your posts may have generated behind the scenes in real life? > At the same time, if you accuse someone of a > wrong action, but you dont say who, many > could feel accused because they been accused > of those same things in the past by others > while you arent referring to them, i.e., if > they told 3 year ago that the poster Fly was > FW and now you post that theres people who > isnt what they seem to be, fly could believe > the old story is back and that youre making > reference to him. Other people could just think > that you have some gossip, but isnt confirmed > and that shouldnt be posted in the open, other > could think that youre involved in a fight with > other poster and youre just using dirty methods > to fight. And many more possible implications > all them wrong, but all them on the heads of > other posters after read your post. What other people think is up to them. > In this situation I am sure you can see why I > wanted to keep it off the forum and we try to > have you contacting any of us or Chris, we been > looking at that poster since some time ago, yes > we have our suspicions, but unless someone came > forward like you did, we have no way to solve > it, however is always better in such delicate > matters to address directly any of us. Frankly, no, Pedro. I don't see any such thing. If you were looking at PL for some time then you certainly reacted in a most unprofessional manner when someone came along who knew the truth from FIRST HAND experience. In fact, you became the single worst obstacle by protecting her and keeping the truth at bay. The role of a moderator is not in siding with one poster against another. But that's exactly what you chose to do. You didn't act, you reacted. And you are correct that unless someone comes forward there is no way to solve the problem. As a moderator you better believe the situation is a delicate one. It still is. And you chose to protect/defend the problem poster while bashing the poster with the truth. Obviously you had no idea about the truth of the matter until I spoke with Chris. That is, after I finally managed to get email to her since email about PL via jbrmoderators was prevented from even reaching Chris. Others had the same problem. For your information this situation remains EXTREMELY delicate. And you have made it known publicly that you have been a long time defender of PL's...so for me to confide in you and trust you with information would be foolish. > Then the posters go in a crazy witch-hunt, they > begin by Slinky, then Paralegal, then MW, then > Ginja I have some experience on these forums, > and I could see the war between posters > coming... I have no idea what you're talking about with most of the names you've mentioned. Frankly, I prefer to discuss only my situation and leave the others issues up to those particular individuals. As far as a war...in this case you were one of the instigators. > ...so thats why I did try to stop you from > debate the Paralegal issue in open forum. You had absolutely NO way of knowing who I was referring to other than hearing of the possibility from PL. To be more accurate...you didn't attempt to stop any debate rather you were right in there fanning the flames more than anyone else, all the while defending your friend PL. I've kept all your posts in case you need to refresh your memory. > I did defend Paralegal on many forums, not > because I thought she was legit or she was > honest but because she was been attacked for > her disgrace and needs, she was laugh at > because she was broke and in need of help > and I cant let that happen without put a fight. > To me it wasnt about paralegal been honest or > not, was about honest people like you, willing > to help a friend member of a community we all > are part of, JW, so real that my wife of 2 > years now is a woman I knew in JW, China. I read many posts attacking PL's solicitation on a public forum but I don't recall reading any that attacked her need. For you to claim that it wasn't about PL being honest or not...is downright scary, knowing the truth of the matter. > That community has members like you who take > action and support others as we do in any other > community, retired co-workers, retired civil > servants or what we call in my country > Gentleman retied of service (like your American > veterans of war) all these human communities > contain within themselves the greatness of the > human solidarity and decency so need today by > all in our society. > > I did defend Paralegal in those other forums as > a member of my community JW who was in need and > got help from many of the JW members, and thats > a great act of humanity, decency and love. > Paralegal wasnt as honest as she seemed to be? So, you're asking if PL wasn't as honest as she seemed to be? You're the one who has publicly defended her. You certainly didn't mind trashing me in order to defend PL. Now you're asking the person you've publicly trashed whether or not your long term friend wasn't as honest as she seemed to be? If so, you're asking the wrong person. > Yes I know your experience with Paralegal and > I believe you, I did talk with Chris and > Paralegal is banned from JW, as you see we > take action when we have to. I am very much > distressed and very unhappy with Paralegals > behavior with you and her sense of entitlement. WE take action? Chris had banned PL before we even talked. NOW you're distressed and very unhappy with PL's behavior with me? You should have realized that possibility before you took it upon yourself to trash me; defend her and insert yourself in the middle of an EXTREMELY sensitive situation on a public forum. > Dear BL, I hope you understand my position, in > that thread a fire was burning and I have to > stop it, then we can look at it as we did, I > think is better if you contact any of us. In > JW we really look at things carefully and > expend much of our time working for JW, > specially Chris, shes a very brilliant and > dedicated woman and as you see she has taken > action and she has make the right decision. You are certainly correct about Chris. Her work with JW is highly respected and she is greatly admired. But don't pass yourself off as 'looking at things carefully' with this issue because nothing could be further from the truth. You inserted yourself right in the middle siding with one poster while attacking another. All the while claiming to know the facts when you knew only the lies. Only after your public trashing of me did you discover the truth that you were absolutely dead wrong. > Please accept my apologies if in my post to you > I was rude or my manners werent the proper > ones, I am very sorry and I regret it deeply, I > hope you understand my need to act that way at > that point on time and I hope you'll believe me > if I tell you it wasnt a personal issue with > you. There was NO need for you to act as you did. Especially in the role of a moderator. But now that you know the facts of the matter the only decent thing for you to do is to post a public apology on the forum. You're the one who chose to make it all public in the first place. You could have emailed me then but you didn't. As for your claim that this wasn't a personal issue with me...post it on the forum where it rightfully belongs. > I wish you the best and dont hesitate in > contact me if I can be of any assistance for > you in the future. Look, Pedro, I believe that you're a good human being. I've seen you around JW long enough to know that you have a kind heart. I just don't appreciate being taken for a fool and being trashed. You made claims about PL and me on JW only to find out you were wrong. Apologizing openly on JW is the appropriate venue under the circumstances. Until then I will continue to handle any issues I have with Chris. Currently those issues include you, therefore I am copying this letter to Chris. I'm sure you understand. Sincerely, Brightlight [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Addendum to Pedro's trash" Posted by Brightlight on 05:22:07 9/25/2001 Pedro/St. Crispin/whomever posted: > Aren't you the wacko who got Paralegal banned > from JW based on your personal feeling of her > behavior in a supermarket where you did some > groceries shooping for Paralegal and you > screamed in the cash registrer for all to hear > how you were helping her buying some food? > > Yes, I think "sense of entitlement" were your > words on the phone with the *Boss*! > Go back to the Vets, wacko! Since you asked, Pedro, here are the facts as opposed to your usual half-baked version. Your reference to the BOSS meant your boss. Not mine. She was your boss until you were fired for being an incompetent moderator who caused too much dissension. You remain incompetent and you still cause dissension. Get a life. And not the ones that are figments of your imagination. When you first arrived on JW you claimed to be a diplomat. It wasn't long before you upgraded your status to nobility. Then it was only a matter of time before you decided you really were a royal. All along there were innuendos to old, established, blue blood money. All because, or so it seems, you claimed to drive a Porsche. LOL The truth is you are just a vulgar and crude jerk with a great deal of anger and no moral values or principles. A highlight must have been when you left your last wife in Alaska to move to Indiana in order to have an affair with a married woman. A Gary Condit wannabee but even Condit managed to get elected and do something other than posting on Internet forums day in and day out. [You should also know better than to mess around with someone who has VERY close friends and contacts in the intelligence community, not to mention elsewhere.] And YOU dare belittle me for: o Buying $200.00 worth of groceries for a poster who claimed to be destitute last Thanksgiving? o Taking her adult son, his girlfriend and the poster to lunch since she claimed they had nothing but macaroni and cheese to eat for a week or more. o And filling her sons new truck with a tank of gas. And all you can come up with is that I screamed into a cash register?! LOLOLOL You idiot, Berlitz flunky. Get your facts straight for a change. PL was banned from JW BEFORE I ever discussed her sorry saga with anyone, including Chris. And you damn well know it. You are, without a doubt, the biggest liar I have ever encountered and that includes professionals who were trained to lie in the name of National Security. What you SHOULD be concerned about is the fact that after soliciting donations from JW posters last Thanksgiving because she claimed she was going to be evicted from her $1,400.00 per month apartment, PL received around $700.00 to $800.00 by the end of Thanksgiving week from JW. Or so she said as she sat in my living room the one time I invited her into my home. She brought her 24 year old son with her (although it was posted on JW that he was 19) and his girlfriend when she arrived at my house for the trip to the grocery store. Both were living with her. He worked in a gas station making five bucks per hour; the girlfriend was looking for a job. They arrived at my house the Sunday after Thanksgiving. I'd called her the minute she posted her phone number on JW two days before Thanksgiving to let her know I would take her grocery shopping immediately since she had led us to believe they were all but starving and in desperate need of food. However, she couldn't make it over until Sunday because she was waiting for calls from JW people regarding contributions. By the time Sunday rolled around and she arrived here with the 24 year old son and girlfriend I knew I had made a big mistake. But I had made a committment (you probably can't relate to that) and followed through with it. It was the son who asked me if his mom had told me about an Uncle as they sat in my home. She shook her head. Finally she explained that the Uncle had generously loaned them the four or five thousand dollars they had so desperately needed. Yet, as the JW contributions rolled in none were returned; nor were posters ever told that the Uncle had bailed them out. They said they had a nice Thanksgiving and the son announced that as soon as the donations started rolling in they had rented videos to watch on Thanksgiving. She also sat in my home and told me the amount of money various JW posters had sent. She was appalled that one particular poster sent *only* $50.00 as she felt that poster could have afforded much more. She said nothing about the fact that the poster had rearranged her busy schedule at Thanksgiving and made a special trip to get a money order or cashiers check (which PL had requested) overnighting it to PL. Sense of entitlement? You damn well better believe it, dude. I received only a few phone calls from her after that and did not call her. She seldom seemed to be working as she was off work for weeks at a time. Our last conversation was several months after her close call with eviction when she called to tell me that she was having car problems...BUT...rather than having it repaired she bought a brand new car...and would be over to take me for a ride. I said no thank you (I'd already been taken for a ride). Sense of entitlement? In spades. And who in hell do you think you are to talk down to me when you are a known liar with no moral values whatsoever. A lot of decent, caring JW posters sent money in good faith. What was your contribution to your close friend? You two are two peas in a pod. The next time you decide to accuse me of another lie you'd better think twice. Or...do you wanna talk about why you REALLY are in the United States? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Thankyou brightlight..." Posted by Annette on 06:38:11 9/25/2001 for those most enlightening posts,and for proving what many of us have suspected for a long time. I applaud your courage,finally someone who will call a spade a spade. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Thank you Bright Light" Posted by starry on 06:38:07 9/25/2001 For exposing the lies of Paralegal. I only hope she lives to realize how wrong what she did was. And I hope she will make up for it, somehow. As for me, I will never send money to anyone on the internet again, no matter how sincere they sound. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Posting personal emails" Posted by v_p on 07:51:33 9/25/2001 Doesn't get much lower than that. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Brightlight!" Posted by Cassandra on 08:40:50 9/25/2001 WOW! What an eye opener, but some will still choose to be oblivious. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "dimlight" Posted by v_p on 09:08:10 9/25/2001 Number one, emails can easily be altered when posting to a forum, anyone who believes you are writing them verbatim is gullible. Number two, you have a lot of gall posting this crap about a poster, paralegal, who is not a member and is not able to rebut your nasty accusations. Again, anyone who believes what you are writing, without knowing the other side, is gullible. Number three, besides trying to add to the discourse of the forum, why are you posting this crap no one gives a damn about anyway? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Thank you, Brightlight." Posted by LurkerXIV on 19:16:36 9/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:16:36, 9/26/2001 . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Lurker" Posted by v_p on 09:55:10 9/25/2001 >>(v-p, why don't you just SHUT UP on this one. You have no knowledge of what went on here. You're doing just what you admonished Ginja for--going off half-cocked!)<< I absolutely know what went on here. I posted on the paralegal thread several times and corresponded in private email about the situation. I have seen information about BL from someone who knows her personally, but I would never post it here. It was shown to me in confidence, #1, and #2, it would be quite embarrassing to brightlight I assure you. Lurker, starry, whomever else, if you applaud the posting of personal emails, I wonder how you would feel if some of your personal emails were posted... and possibly altered. I can't imagine condoning the posting of private correspondence no matter how upset you get... unless you're Jameson. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "v_p" Posted by starry on 13:12:01 9/25/2001 >Lurker, starry, whomever else, if you applaud >the posting of personal emails, I >wonder how you would feel if >some of your personal emails were >posted... and possibly altered. I >can't imagine condoning the posting of >private correspondence no matter how upset >you get... unless you're Jameson. What???? are you talking about? Where did I say anything about posting e-mails? I made no comment on that at all. I commented on Brightlight exposing the knowledge she had of PL situation of last Thanksgiving. HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH EMAIL. You need to read the posts, v_p!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. "starry" Posted by v_p on 13:19:20 9/25/2001 >commented on Brightlight exposing the knowledge >she had of PL situation of >last Thanksgiving. HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER >TO DO WITH EMAIL. You >need to read the posts, v_p!!! No starry, you took what brightlight said about paralegal as gospel and thanked her for posting it. Paralegal isn't a member here and brightlight knows very well she can't defend herself against what BL says. Paralegal and BL are the only two who know what really happened, taking one person's version and accepting it as truth is ludicrous. It's what the FS queens do on a daily basis... when they're not just outright making up crap about posters. You're right, you didn't say anything about the emails BL posted... you simply thanked her for the enlightening information about Paralegal. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 61. "Yes I did" Posted by starry on 13:30:36 9/25/2001 v_p, because it was confirmation of what someone else had told me. Someone, by the way, whom I trust very much. But, it had nothing to do with anyone's emails. For all I know, BL found the things out by phone or in person or a combination there of. You need to chill out a while, v_p. You seem to be the middle of many conflicts that go on. I stand by my post. Thank you Bright Light for confirming what I had suspected and been told concerning PL's Thanksgiving scam. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "v_p" Posted by Pedro on 13:27:09 9/25/2001 So far, I do believe Paralegal more than I believe BL. Paralegal was appalled by BL screaming in loud voice in a supermarket how she was *doing a charity with these folks*(in reference to Paralegal and family) reason why Paralegal wasn't comfortable during the rest of her visit with BL. I would like to have Paralegal back so she can confront her accusers, actually Chris acted based on a phone call from BL even tho's one of chris closes friends and still so, told her that BL was a nutzso, an stalker. Chris banned Paralegal on BL's word over the phone. Paralegal never had a chance. Pedro.- [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Brightlight speaks the truth!" Posted by ayelean on 10:17:18 9/25/2001 I was personally involved with the situation of which Brightlight speaks, every word she is saying is the truth. Interesting to see how the posts divide. I'm beginning to see clearly now, the rain is gone. Thanks Brightlight. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "v_p" Posted by Brightlight on 10:17:06 9/25/2001 v_p posted: > Why are you here? Oh, your contribution to > Justice for JonBenet, silly me. > > Yeah, you'll be back, lmao. You and RS share the same level of reading comprehension. You also have me confused with WY's whining and threatening to leave only to post again ten minutes later. I didn't say I was leaving. You did. As for my contribution to JBR keep reading for you have that wrong too. > Great post Brightlight, you do realize you are > speaking to people on a computer with real > lives, right? As usual, upon the first reading > of your post I cracked up. I can't get over > people who get so worked up over the cyber > world. You're taking this much too personally. You wish. I'm sitting here between phone calls and faxes back and forth to Bangkok and other parts of S.E. Asia. This is merely a break for me while waiting for the next communication for what I really do with my time as an activist. You see, v_p, on the other side of the world their daytime is our nighttime meaning that's when my work is often nonstop. You, of all people, dare to speak to another about getting worked up? LOLOLOLOL *What you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you are saying.* Ralph Waldo must have had you in mind. > Did you know there's a war going on? In real > life...yeah, it's serious as hell too Bright > ...like lots of people are dead and missing. And just what the hell are YOU doing about it, v_p? Besides sitting at a keyboard talking-the-talk. Sitting and talking. Anything else? For your information there have been wars *serious as hell* throughout this century. And guess what, v_p? WE...that's the two of us, along with the rest of the U.S., have American servicemen who were WITTINGLY left behind, abandoned, in Communist captivity at the end of EACH of those wars beginning in 1917 in Archangel, Russia. All DOCUMENTED in *MOSCOW BOUND: POLICY, POLITICS AND THE POW/MIA DILEMMA.* 1,055 pages of documentation so you probably won't be interested. The book was researched and written by John M.G. Brown, an investigator for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee [1991] and the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs [1991/1992]. Brown is related, by marriage, to former Ambassador Anthony J. Drexel Biddle, Jr. In case anyone is interested these are the numbers of Americans wittingly left behind...whose families never knew what happened to their loved ones...or who STILL wait: o WWII..........78,000 o Korea..........8,000 o Vietnam........2,200+ o Gulf War..........43 o Somalia & Bosnia...Unknown I have spent the past 11+ years of my life dedicated to getting live men home. Not through involvement with any movement in this country simply meeting every month over coffee and donuts to rehash what they've rehashed every month for years. But working directly with Americans on the ground in S.E. Asia. One, a former Vietnam POW, former Special Forces Commander, who served (all but unheard of) four combat tours, was captured with 38 wounds (six bullet wounds, 32 shrapnel wounds) in his body after a three day battle at Loc Ninh. He spent his captivity chained to a hole in the ground in Cambodia until General Creighton Abrams selected him as the first Army POW to return home in Operation Homecoming in 1973. It took Doctors at Letterman Army Medical Center six months to control malaria and treat his wounds. His mom and dad were told by the Army and USG that he was dead. He was the only one of the 591 returned POWS to return to Southeast Asia to begin gathering intelligence on remaining POW/MIAS; recruiting and training an indigenous army and in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia establishing civilian and military contacts, including the King of Thailand. In September 1985 he returned to the U.S., hired a West Point military law attorney for the purpose of suing the President of the United States for withholding evidence on American POW/MIAS left behind in Communist captivity after the war. The lawsuit went to the U.S. Supreme Court where the final decision stated, *The POW issue is political and, thus, not in the baliwick of the Court.* Who cared that Americans were left behind? It was deemed a political issue. Duh. He has once again been recommended for the Congressional Medal of Honor (CMH). We also work with several other Specials Forces combat vets and a couple of Navy SEALS and various intel officers. There are Americans in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia waiting to come home. Most of what we do I am not at liberty to state publicly but there is no doubt about the idenity of the men waiting. Thanks to DNA. (We fund our own testing.) I am unable to state what my role has been for security reasons. Usually several times a year these brave men come over from S.E. Asia to brief me because it can't be done via other methods of communication. Bottom line is, not only should our abandoned servicemen, from all branches of the service, be returned home from Vietnam with the few remaining from Korea but this despicable cycle MUST stop. Americans need to wake up and educate themselves on what is REALLY going on as opposed to what they've been told by the USG and what they hear on the news. These friends on the ground in S.E. Asia have assumed responsibility for taking on the job our military and government turned their backs on. Actually the responsibility falls on the shoulders of every American citizen, as far as I'm concerned. I ANSWERED THE CALL. How about you, v_p? Thought so. So cut your crap about war and dead and missing until YOU take a stand and actually DO something viable. If the cycle, which began in 1917, isn't stopped it simply continues. Who will be next? Your loved one or mine or Ginja's or any other poster? May God help us all. This is what Europeans say about Americans going to war: *When men go to war families kiss them goodbye, in America the government kisses them off.* Unfortunately it's true. There is a stellar paperback, recently updated, titled *KISS THE BOYS GOODBYE* written by Monika Jensen-Stevenson, a former award winning 60 Minutes producer, and her husband, Bill Stevenson, author of A Man Called Intrepid, among other books. Colonel Bo Gritz no longer leads missions into S.E. Asia looking for POW/MIAS. And yes, he has done some strange things these past years. But Bo was the most highly decorated Special Forces Commander of the Vietnam War and the role model for the Rambo movies. You see it's pretty damn difficult to listen to some of the whining bullshit from mere Computer Rambos talking-the-talk who have never ever attempted to walk-the-walk when you've worked with the real thing. And so you know, v_p, I have never, ever claimed to be an activist for JonBenet Ramsey. Never. This is not my issue, it is my interest. I have always made it clear that *my issue* is POW/MIA. During the Vietnam War Brightlight was, and remains, the CIA code word for POW/MIAS. So you demean our POW/MIAS when you belittle my hat. No military man would ever stoop so low as to say Bright or B-L for that matter...rather than Brightlight. It amazes me that I simply sit here on the Ramsey forums reading and typing when time allows yet that is exactly what all of you are doing, sitting. No more, no less. The difference is that you claim to be *working for justice for JBR.* I don't. How do you hope to make a viable difference? > I'm just glad to be alive with my RL family... > flame the hell on :o) LMAO You bet I will. How selfish can you be? Just what in hell do you think all those families of loved ones in captivity in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Korea would like? Not to mention the POW/MIAS rotting away in captivity whose greatest sin was to answer the call to serve their country in good faith. Those that are left would also like to be alive with their families. But, HEY! Enjoy all that time with your OWN family and don't worry about anyone but yourself. One other thing. Don't ever tell me again that...*there's a war going on...in real life...yeah, it's serious as hell too Bright...like lots of people are dead and missing.* What the fuck have you been doing while many of us have worked our butts off and given everything we have for decades on those *dead and missing* you so righteously and flippantly mentioned? Not one damn thing. Then I suggest you shut the fuck up because more men are going to be killed and more men are going to end up in god-forsaken hell hole prison camps while you do nothing more than sit at your keyboard playing penpals while you repeat your little mantra re: justice. Few Americans remember The New York Times reported during the Paris Peace Accords that the number of prisoners the USG demanded from the North Vietnamese was 5,000 which correlates with a former NSA employees sworn testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the North Vietnamese REPATRIATED ONLY 15% of the American POW/MIAS they had held. Only 591 returned home in 1973. 15% of all POW/MIAS. 85% are known to have been left behind. But hey...you wanna just be with YOUR family. Retired USAF General Tom Lacy testified before the Senate Select Committee in 1992 that the actual number could be as high as 6,000 who were KNOWINGLY left behind. Knowingly. The General personally visited with several AF pilots in a prison in Hanoi in 1989. One was Dean Pogreba whose wife lives in Boulder. Dean and the General were flying together the day Dean was shot down. Sadly the North Vietnamese captors told former American POW/MIAS during their captivity that *we can keep you forever.* Kiss the boys goodbye, indeed. And YOU lecture ME on wars...the dead...and our missing, v_p? You don't even realize how tragic that is. DO SOMETHING FOR A CHANGE. THEN come back and lecture me again and I'll listen. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "I rest" Posted by v_p on 10:28:09 9/25/2001 my case... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Ordinarily..." Posted by LurkerXIV on 19:14:24 9/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:14:24, 9/26/2001 . [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Really?" Posted by RiverRat on 11:09:07 9/25/2001 Part right, part wrong. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "Hello" Posted by Pedro on 12:26:24 9/25/2001 v_p ditto! Lurker, you don't know where your butt end and your brain died! BL, get back to your medication, you know what I did e-mail you and what I didn't. I won't post your e-mail nor other e-mails that I have received form those you stalked for months with your insanity. Dunvegan, thank you, you know where to find me. Annette, I will always love you! My friends, how are you? Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 71. "Pedro? hahahahahahahahaha!" Posted by Ginja on 14:26:42 9/25/2001 >Lurker, you don't know where your butt >end and your brain died! So much for the diplomatic corps. I'm quite sure your "diplomatic status" was through an LDC. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 74. "Ginja" Posted by Pedro on 15:27:47 9/25/2001 Lurker is always lost. She add herself to positions she knows nothing about. She congratulates chris for banning china (who wasn't banned) she ask Dunvegan for action this morning and I get my JW membership back. Ginja, I don't know why Lurker doesn't get a clue! But I guess, she just doesn't! Ginja, diplomacy is to use many methods and hard words, threads of war and hot arguments are part of diplomacy. Ginja, diplomacy is more than *diplomacy manners and protocol rules* but again, I could have got my experise in a LDC, right? Pedro.- [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Brighlight" Posted by Mini on 12:24:54 9/25/2001 Thank you for your support. I'd felt alone in the wilderness trying to fend off the personal attacks so I really appreciate it. Thanks also for clarifying the Paralegal issue. I just remember her asking for help then after a while she seemed to quickly disappear and I'd wondered what happened. I always thought it sounded flaky. Thanks, too, for showing your courage. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Part Right Lurker" Posted by RiverRat on 12:31:48 9/25/2001 Dunn is taking action. Welcome back Pedro. Imagine the timing. I have a stunning pair of high heels if anyone would like to wear those. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "That is horrifying, Brightlight" Posted by Cassandra on 13:15:05 9/25/2001 How can we help? I'll look for those books. I remember "A Man Called Intrepid". I was lucky enough to get my men safely home again, but know that many didn't make it for various reasons. I dread that we may lose more people in this war. The Taliban are savages. They intercepted one couple, raped the woman and skinned the man alive. They don't keep prisoners. They torture and kill them. You are in a network that helps our forgotten ones. I hope you see many happy endings in your work, but I fear that happy endings are few. Good luck to you in your endeavors. May you and your organization have much success. If there is a way we can help, will you tell us? Is Senator McCain involved? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Excellent BL" Posted by Mandarin on 13:10:16 9/25/2001 Brightlight ... you are the best. I BELIEVED every word of your articulate posts. Ordinarily, like Lurker I do not agree with posting emails but since Pedro chose not to give you the respect of responding with his apology on the forum, then protocol had to be abandoned AND I really admire your patience .... talk about the patience of Job! Imagine, you waited all this time to let us know the real truth. Your candor is remarkable and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am very sad that Pedro made things difficult for Chris who, to me, was exceptional. To think that history may repeat itself here, and Dunvegan so diligently trying her darndest to do the right thing. Time, as they say, usually brings the truth out and I trust Dun will do what is best for the new forum. I think Dun and Chris are an awful lot alike and sincerely hope they remain friends. Brightlight .... you ARE VERY VERY ENLIGHTENING! Thanks for making my day ... I've waited a long time to hear someone stand up with courage the way you did. Rest assured the majority is on your side. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "RR" Posted by Pedro on 13:12:53 9/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 13:12:53, 9/25/2001 I think sparky's chainsaw will be of better use! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "OMG, I'm not believing this..." Posted by v_p on 13:30:18 9/25/2001 It's ok to post emails for the greater good? Even if the emails can be easily altered? What is wrong with you people? I have hundreds of emails, many from posters on JW... many would have helped me prove what an ass-hole certain posters were, but that kind of help should never, IMO, be utilized. Hell, I could embellish them at will and really make a strong case for myself. Posting emails which were intended to be private is the lowest one can sink, (aside from posting personal information), on a forum. I didn't even read them, and I won't. What an invasion... no matter who they're from or what they're about... all to make a couple of points and a few high-fives. If this is going to be a practice now at JW, I'll certainly curtail my emailing. I've emailed to members I don't agree on issues at all with, but I trust they would never post my emails or share them with others. I still feel they wouldn't. Even if they did, they can rest assured their correspondence to me will never show up on a forum board. I'm totally appalled at the agreement to what BL has done in posting emails. Rules are made to be broken? Please point out those rules for me just for future reference. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "Intrepid ..." Posted by Mandarin on 13:24:10 9/25/2001 Forgot to mention BL, "A Man Called Intrepid" was one of the first books I read as a teenager. It was a difficult read for my first book (of that nature) but I have reread it over the years. Thanks for mentioning it. Now I must go back to your post to get the name of the other book you mentioned. Please don't ever leave the forum. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "Well" Posted by Pedro on 13:29:34 9/25/2001 Mandarin, if BL continue posting real e-mail addys and real names, it should be a dutty for the moderators to have BL in time off or banned, right? now, Mandarin, Bite me! Pedro.- [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 63. "v_p" Posted by Pedro on 13:37:48 9/25/2001 v_p it's ok, BL isn't well and I wouldn't like to raise her inestability by giving her trouble in here. It would be enough if dunvegan has my name and e-mail removed! Starry, you are wrong, the person you trust and you are talking about knew about this all after chris conversationover the phone with BL. BL is the originator of the information you received. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 66. "Pedro" Posted by starry on 13:47:12 9/25/2001 I believe I am right. Had nothing to do with Chris, either. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 68. "Starry.." Posted by Pedro on 14:02:51 9/25/2001 ...you wouldn't know that, believe me! Pedro.- [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 69. "Pedro" Posted by starry on 14:07:05 9/25/2001 Let me go this far and this will be the end of it, as far as I'm concerned. My information did not come out of MD or MI or AZ. OK? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 70. "Starry" Posted by Pedro on 14:08:53 9/25/2001 There's many more states in the *union*. Know what I mean? ;-) Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 62. "Nah Pedro ..." Posted by Mandarin on 13:34:36 9/25/2001 Won't take you up on that ... I prefer steak to hamburger. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 65. "Cut It Out Pedro" Posted by Mandarin on 13:46:09 9/25/2001 You have a way of hitting below the belt and I'm not sure you're aware of the way you attack people for very human things like taking medication, etc. Who cares what medication people take ... it's NOYB buddy and what are you trying to suggest that BL is crazy? I wasn't going to get into this but when I see an articulate posting like Brightlight's I have every right to say I agree of disagree. As Lurker says, there are exceptions to every RULE but you don't seem to get it. You are not the "be all, end all" Pedro. May I say that China must be a saint to live with someone who spends so much time on the Net. What about your children ... do they know their dad has abandoned them for a lousy PC? Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 67. "Mandarin" Posted by Pedro on 14:03:51 9/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:03:51, 9/25/2001 Sure, poor China! why don't you ask her directly? So is it the same to tell BL to get her medications than is for you to pitty my wife? You know Mandarin, that's why I share my life with China, she has brain! Anyway, I did ask you to get over, you don't stand a chance! So I can't mention BL's medication and she can post my real name, e-mail?....That's call double standard. get over Mandarin. Edit to add: I don't imply anything about BL, my post was more clear than that! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 64. "Sure" Posted by Pedro on 13:39:01 9/25/2001 I know you do, me too, that's why you're there and I am here, you know with who! Get over, please do. Pedro.- [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 73. "Well V-P" Posted by Ginja on 14:58:28 9/25/2001 Sounds to me like you've really been taken. If not, then you're no better than the ilk who've taken you under their wing. Yeah, sometimes certain information should be published. Like you, I thought there were certain things that should remain kept under wraps. So I kept it all to myself. Until PL pulled her stunt. But by then it was too late. All I could do was "warn" posters thru emails that she was lying when her friends posted she was in dire straights. Evicted? She was never evicted! She bragged how she made $40+/hr. Another lie as she was a secretary working thru a temp agency. I'm not saying that to belittle the woman, only to point out she was a liar. She took advantage of posters here and by the time I realized how rotten she really was, it was too late. While she sat opening your envelopes and laughing at how she'd gotten over on everyone at JW, I tried to contact Chris. Unfortunately, it was the moderators who were 'screening' the mail and Chris never learned what was going on because your good bud Pedro didn't want his good friend "caught". FWIW, this isn't something I made up or Brightlight made up, nor is it something we thought would wind up in the forum now. The only reason it's ugly head has been brought out is because of posters like you who think you know it all. As far as even bringing it up to Chris last November, we did so using information gathered by the local police. As a matter of fact, it was a report from the local sheriff's office that tipped me off when the 'dire straights' post was first put up. I've learned my lesson of course. I'm not going to sit back anymore and let this kind of shit run its course. I've been around longer than you or Pedro and River Rat and all the other rabble rousers. JW is home to me and its posters are my family. It's high time you people shape up or ship out. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 79. "Seniority Counts" Posted by RiverRat on 15:49:31 9/25/2001 The older the better, I suppose. I have no problem with my low status at the bottom of the totem pole, Ginja, and I hereby pay respects to the volumes of detail that you have provided to those here in your home. An Opinion Forum. An opinion. Must be a pretty important thing to have considering the measures taken to prevent a poster from forming a true one. Wear a mask, change your hat, edit email's, make up a different life, run a money scam, etc., should have been listed as Helpful Hints for Newbies that are Blindly Entering long ago. I was surrounded this morning by a group of people that two weeks ago today, down to the very hour, added thousands to their membership. This group, Parents of Murdered Children, and other victim's rights organizations that I have participated over the years would love to have the concept of JusticeWatch on their side. My tears fell today for many things that could have been, and yes, Ginja, your beloved home was one of them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 78. "Ginja" Posted by v_p on 15:39:40 9/25/2001 >Sounds to me like you've really been >taken. If not, then you're >no better than the ilk who've >taken you under their wing. Taken by whom? I never said I believed paralegal or brightlight. I just think there's two sides to every story... only BL is able to tell her story here. I didn't believe paralegal when it was presented, but God forbid anyone on that thread, back then, say anything because you were chewed up and spit out for it. I might be mistaken, but I think starry was one of the posters who took up for paralegal when someone doubted her story on that thread. BTW, paralegal didn't start the thread, seeker did. >going on because your good bud >Pedro didn't want his good friend >"caught". My "good bud" pedro? lol Ginja, what is that supposed to mean? Or is it just meant to be a swipe? I never corresponded with Pedro while he was moderator of JW... not ever. >FWIW, this isn't something I made up >or Brightlight made up, nor is >it something we thought would wind >up in the forum now. >The only reason it's ugly head >has been brought out is because >of posters like you who think >you know it all. I brought up paralegal? Are you not reading the whole thread again ginja? BL brought up paralegal. As >far as even bringing it up >to Chris last November, we did >so using information gathered by the >local police. As a matter >of fact, it was a report >from the local sheriff's office that >tipped me off when the 'dire >straights' post was first put up. Then why couldn't BL post the sheriff's report? Why all the personal ramblings which no one can verify and paralegal can't defend? >I've learned my lesson of course. >I'm not going to sit back >anymore and let this kind of >shit run its course. >I've been around longer than you or >Pedro and River Rat and all Really ginja? You've been around longer and that makes you special how? >JW >is home to me and its >posters are my family. It's >high time you people shape up >or ship out. Really? As soon as the forum is in your name, let me know and I'll give your ultimatum some consideration. At least 4 of the posters on this thread came from Flamesleuths, they have an agenda right now... to drive JW into the ground. It's Dunvegan's forum... she can fight her own battles, or not. I'm done. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 84. "v_p" Posted by Ginja on 16:46:12 9/25/2001 >Taken by whom? I never said >I believed paralegal or brightlight. >I just think there's two sides >to every story... only BL is >able to tell her story here. No, PL was telling her story last year and BL fell for it. Because of all the crap that's been going on here lately, I guess BL just figured it was time to shed some light on the situation. You went into a long response to my post telling me I was going off half-cocked when I specifically formed that post as a query asking is this is or what if? You still haven't answered the questions posed. You still haven't made any sense of what's going on here at JW. All you've done is butt in and talk off the cuff about how we don't know what's going on. Obviously, neither do you or else you'd shed some light on the problems instead of doing your darndest to belittle others. > I didn't believe paralegal when >it was presented, but God forbid >anyone on that thread, back then, >say anything because you were chewed >up and spit out for it. Don't I know it! Which is exactly why I went the email route. > I might be mistaken, but >I think starry was one of >the posters who took up for >paralegal when someone doubted her story >on that thread. BTW, paralegal >didn't start the thread, seeker did. First, I did state that PL's friends started the dire straights thread, so you're not shedding any light on this; just butting in with more of your belittling remarks. Secondly, I'm sure you'll remember how PL always bragged about how much money she made and how she made it. Suddenly she's in dire straights and being evicted? I remember well that there were some posters who came in and questioned the validity of PL's need. Starry came in and questioned why posters could be so 'cruel'. Starry can speak for her herself; but if I had to guess why she posted as she did, it was because she could never imagine someone being so cruel as to come in here and lie about her circumstances, and then take money from posters under such false pretenses. > >I never >corresponded with Pedro while he was >moderator of JW... not ever. Sorry. I didn't realize email or correspondence was a prerequisite for friendship. >Are you >not reading the whole thread again >ginja? Now who's 'taking swipes'? I prefaced my comment with FWIW...in net talk that means "for whatever it's worth". I followed that with an explanation of why I was posting the material I was posting. If anyone's not reading, it's you. You seem to be having a hissy fit over BL's posting an email which, with all due respect, should have been posted back in December as a public apology. Now you seem to be having another hissy fit because she didn't post the sheriff's report! First of all, BL didn't get the sheriff's report, I did. BL didn't know about the sheriff's report until after she'd been taken advantage of. Do you honestly believe that with the reputation PL and I had for being at each other's throats, my publishing a sheriff's report on the internet would be considered for what it was...a warning? No v_p, I did what I thought was best. I tried to contact Chris with the information as it was her website that was being used to hustle members. Unfortunately, she never got the message. Hmmmmmm...wonder why? >the sheriff's report? Why all >the personal ramblings which no one >can verify and paralegal can't defend? This sheriff's report is merely a report verifying that there was no eviction. This 'eviction' was the basis for PL's 'dire straights'. What's to defend? She lied. And if I was the liar, or BL was the liar, wouldn't we have been the ones to be banned? Furthermore, JW isn't the only forum on the internet. There's been enough printed here today which I'm sure has found it's way to her. She's very resourceful. I'm sure she didn't loose her PC when she was evicted! She wants to defend herself, she's more than welcomed. Posters are having no problem cutting and pasting these posts all over the place; I'm sure they'd have no problem cutting and pasting her response here! >>I've been around longer than you or >>Pedro and River Rat and all > Really ginja? You've >been around longer and that makes >you special how? Special? No. Just been here to watch all this BS come and go through the years...BS you probably missed. Just trying to fill in the blanks for you. Which is something you seem intent on not doing...that is, fill in the blanks. >Really? As soon as the forum >is in your name, let me >know and I'll give your ultimatum >some consideration. Let's see, you don't understand grammar or syntax, you have no idea what a question mark means, and you'd rather rant than answer questions. Apparently you don't understand net shorthand for simple terms like for whatever it's worth, and now you misconstrue a statement for an ultimatum. v-p, if this was my forum, you wouldn't be posting on it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 106. "Ginja" Posted by Ruby on 18:49:50 9/26/2001 Even though I am blackballed, I just want to say that you are and have been one of the most proficient advocates of JFJBR and I have the ut- most respect for you. You could kick VP's butt no matter how SIMPLE the conversation was. VP is the most ugliest of all posters here at JusticeWatch and somehow manages to hitch good people onto her bandwagon. Like alot of people, I read here along time before I decided to post. I received welcomes from Starry & Voyager (no surprise) and Gem (sorry Gem, big surprise) Guess who the first ugly attack was from? Yep. Played to the worst part of myself and here I am. Lord knows I don't have up to two hours a night and more on the weekend to spew. VP to Cassandra I think we got it, you're shocked on two threads spanning 3 posts that you perceived someone attacking starry... Please, would you show me where starry was "attacked?" From Starry v_p, yes I did defend PL and her so called plight. I didn't feel it was right for others to doubt or bash her because she was asking for help. That's because I mistakenly applied my standards of truthfulness to her. I, also replied to her that I sent her money. I never received so much as a Thank you from her. Never again. stoopid me. (Better to be kind then...) Starry, I know you are trusting. I was sent your post at FS telling all the queens how you are sad at the state of affairs JW is in... and further how you know Chris would never do anything to take JW down. Maybe not as trusting as you are gullible... . I can't make up my mind. Ramble on Ginja. As for the sheriff's report, I have to reply: >>This sheriff's report is merely a report verifying that there was no eviction. This 'eviction' was the basis for PL's 'dire straights'.<<< My post to paralegal back then was to give her information on how to avoid a legal eviction, since the eviction hadn't gone through yet. How you secured a "sheriff's report" stating an eviction was not filed is quite a trick Ginja. An eviction is filed as a civil matter and is either granted or forfeited by the landlord or tenant... rarely is the Judge forced to make a decision. From what I remember, the eviction was filed, but hadn't been granted yet, IOW, hadn't gone before a Judge.... therefore there would be no record. Once the eviction is granted, the tenant is usually given 7-10 days to move out of the apartment/house. If the resident has not moved after that amount of time, a writ is filed and only then will a sheriff, or usually a constable become involved. Odd about that sheriff's report. Ginja... you are entitled to your rambling-for-days-opinions, I just thought I'd clear up the eviction matter for you. I could right click and copy for days but what the hell. Ugly is as Ugly does. To whomever that said VP looked like Pheobe from Friends........puhleeze. Let's try Brett Butler with bangs. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 90. "Lord" Posted by v_p on 18:03:12 9/25/2001 Ramble on Ginja. As for the sheriff's report, I have to reply: >>This sheriff's report is merely a report verifying that there was no eviction. This 'eviction' was the basis for PL's 'dire straights'.<<< My post to paralegal back then was to give her information on how to avoid a legal eviction, since the eviction hadn't gone through yet. How you secured a "sheriff's report" stating an eviction was not filed is quite a trick Ginja. An eviction is filed as a civil matter and is either granted or forfeited by the landlord or tenant... rarely is the Judge forced to make a decision. From what I remember, the eviction was filed, but hadn't been granted yet, IOW, hadn't gone before a Judge.... therefore there would be no record. Once the eviction is granted, the tenant is usually given 7-10 days to move out of the apartment/house. If the resident has not moved after that amount of time, a writ is filed and only then will a sheriff, or usually a constable become involved. Odd about that sheriff's report. Ginja... you are entitled to your rambling-for-days-opinions, I just thought I'd clear up the eviction matter for you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 93. "Your vileness" Posted by janphi on 18:41:09 9/25/2001 >As for the sheriff's report, I have >to reply: ... >My post to paralegal back then was >to give her information on how >to avoid a legal eviction, since >the eviction hadn't gone through yet. ... Didn't sound that way to most people: 22. "Paralegal's Contact Information" Posted by JBRModerator on 18:59:42 11/22/2000 For those of you interested in contacting Paralegal, please take this to email. The email address Paralegal has posted is: paralegal48@hotmail.com. Here is Paralegal's post (minus personal information). What a week we've had! My business hit a temporary lull in Oct./Nov. and my landlord and other creditors couldn't wait till I closed my next contract after Thanksgiving. I've been on the phone day and night calling churches, gov't. organizations, friends and family to beg, plead and sell whatever I have to raise the $3-5000 needed by Monday. Two months' rent, plus court costs, attorney fees, late charges, etc. is at $3000 and utilities, car and truck payments, insurance premiums make up the other almost $2000. Anyone willing to help can email me at paralegal48@hotmail.com or call me direct here in AZ at (xxx) xxx-xxxx for further info (don't want to post our address, etc. in public). Money donations need to be in the form of a money order or cashier's check and Fed Ex'd out here no later than noon Friday. I have to convert it all into a cashier's check at my bank by Monday at 8 am (MST) to stop the sheriff from "escorting" us out. It is me, my adult son and his soon to be wife, 3 pets and all of our worldly belongings. I love you all for your willingness to help shoulder our burden and it's taken me most of the afternoon to find a working url to get in here to post (God, I'm so exhausted). May our situation remind all of us of just how much we have to be thankful for as we celebrate tomorrow. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 98. "Yes brainiac?" Posted by v_p on 19:48:01 9/25/2001 >>>Two months' rent, plus court costs, attorney fees, late charges, etc. is at $3000 <<< The eviction still hadn't been granted. It's customary for the landlord to charge attorney's fees, (their cost of filing), and late charges in order to allow the tenant to stay. Happens all the time.. the landlord accepts the money and the eviction is forfeited to the tenant... no record... end of story. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 85. "Oh, go share a room with Mary99" Posted by RiverRat on 17:08:12 9/25/2001 On a wild goose chase somewhere else then if you have sooo many issues with the new landlord at your rental unit. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 76. "Ginja" Posted by Pedro on 15:31:00 9/25/2001 You are partial, you're public arguments with PL are well known to all. She didn't made an sting, that's crap. You should know, as I do, the truth, but you'll have to learn it by yourself, you won't believe me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 72. "I stole this from FS" Posted by Baybb on 14:29:16 9/25/2001 Free China!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 77. "Help " Posted by Colorado Babe on 15:32:19 9/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:32:19, 9/25/2001 Can someone post the link to FS? Thanks! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 75. "Baybb" Posted by Pedro on 15:54:23 9/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:54:23, 9/25/2001 As you know, you talked to China not long ago, call anytime. Baybb, china doesn't post often because idiots like you who think she is not free, which means that I have ensaleve her and she can't get away. What worst could you tell to a couple in love? That night in chat, some chatters were so concern, and nosy, that you called my wife and she told you that she wanted to stay way. I guess she has to call you or e-mail you...here you go, one more Queen, Baybb! China is free. Baybb, get a life, a real one! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 80. "Pedro" Posted by Baybb on 16:03:53 9/25/2001 China also told ne that she didn't agree with everything you did and that this was the Net for gawds sake and it wasn't real life. Just now in an IM you threatened me with saying something about my dead husband and I told you to go ahead. So go for it Pissro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 81. "Baybb" Posted by Pedro on 16:10:29 9/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 16:10:29, 9/25/2001 I didn't threated you in Am, I give you an example of what you and the other queen are doing to me, while I am not using any of your spouses on it. That's all. If you want to talk to my wife, you have her e-mail, you have her telephon number and you don't have to use her to hurt me. Baybb, get out, get a life. yes my wife doesn't always agree with me, of course not, and this is the way it should be, but as much as to claim her freddom and claim I have buttcherd and buried her as your friends say i did! Isn't that overkill it Baybb? Pedro. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 83. "More Pedro?" Posted by Baybb on 16:22:57 9/25/2001 Oh, and you didn't tell me that it would hurt even more when I told you to go ahead, that he was dead? When that didn't work you brought up someone else you thought you could use that might hurt me but I laughed at that too. I thought that was a good example of overkill. I think as you once told me, that you really don't want me mad at you and I am getting there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 82. "Colorado Babe" Posted by Ally on 16:19:30 9/25/2001 L O L, that has been my refrain for years. Well, days actually. This is better than As the World Turns! God "Pedro" how many slaves you got in that harem of yours? You must be good at, you know, something there... ha. ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 87. "This is wild" Posted by Real Stormy on 17:11:00 9/25/2001 What a bunch of idiots. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 86. "Ally" Posted by Colorado Babe on 17:19:16 9/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:19:16, 9/25/2001 You must have misunderstood my post. I do not want to leave this forum and join another. I just wanted the link so that I could check out what is going on over FS. I love Justice Watch and I have been a devoted and loyal member ever since the beginning. I am just shocked and appalled by some of the behaviors of ex members. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 92. "CB You Got Your Ears On?" Posted by Ally on 18:31:47 9/25/2001 Ten-Four good buddy. ;-) Okay, Uh, no, actually, I think YOU misunderstood MINE. I have been asking for a link to a thread where all this crap is disgust, I mean *discussed*, because I do not want to have to register at Delphi just to read there and learn what all this is about. Oh forget it. Think I'll go sit down over by Real Stormy and continue to watch the fall-out! Take care -------------------------------> Ally > You must have >misunderstood my post. I do >not want to leave this forum >and join another. I just >wanted the link so that I >could check out what is going >on over FS. I love >Justice Watch and I have been >a devoted and loyal member ever >since the beginning. I am >just shocked and appalled by some >of the behaviors of ex members. > [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 88. "Baybb" Posted by Pedro on 17:49:11 9/25/2001 get out, take care of your garden, clean the flower beds! You have done something stupid posting FS hen's *signature* you know it, I do too so does J. Now, if this is one of those *Pedro please, let it go, I need to be in good terms with these ladies that why I posted that stupid FS thing* situation, dear friend, I let it go and I am considering that the above post *free china* hasn't been posted by you, Baybb. take care. Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 89. "Pedro" Posted by Baybb on 18:00:58 9/25/2001 You need to be the one out working in your garden. If China doesn't grasp what I meant, that is between her and me. You say you stay out of her business but it sure doesn't seem so. I have no "need" to be on good terms with those ladies, I have always been on good terms with those ladies as you well know. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 91. "Nuclear Meltdown" Posted by LoriAnn on 18:30:15 9/25/2001 Has anyone noticed that the epicenter of more than a few flame wars is Pedro, VeePeeBee, and RiverRat? Just an observation from the Queen Bitch... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 94. "Has anyone noticed" Posted by RiverRat on 18:44:13 9/25/2001 that some still think that it is an honor to be a Queen Bitch? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 97. "Lori" Posted by Pedro on 19:01:30 9/25/2001 get over the JBR forum and read there! This is the Royal Meltdown! LOL. Your now the Qlowns! LOL. Baybb *A FREE YOURSELF* :-) and read dun's post! Pedro.- [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 96. "Have you noticed" Posted by Real Stormy on 18:58:57 9/25/2001 That some still think they are the Queen Bitch? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 95. "Hey Lori" Posted by RiverRat on 18:58:00 9/25/2001 Read this post and see if Pedro, VP or your all time favorite Rat had anything to do with the problems we have at this forum. Chris: Why are you continuing to renege, stall and basically block the process by which transfer of the domain name "justicewatch.com" can be transferred to me? This has taken an extraordinarily long time since I spoke with last at your home on August 4th of this year. As you know, your notarized signature is required from Network Solutions for the transfer to me to take place. I have been waiting since my visit to Michigan in August for you to send this requisite paperwork to me so that I can finish the transfer process. You have made no fair attempt to follow through on this agreement. Both David and I have e-mailed and called you personally numerous times. Chris, we have received no answer from you to date. My question is this, when exactly are you sending out the requisite paperwork, as you said you would? Although you do have not answered any of my e-mails sent since August 4th, your husband, in a very brief e-mail, let David and I know that he had himself finally gotten the papers notarized. This was in his e-mail of August 8th. We responded to him to please send it to our home address. We requested that you FedEx this notarized form, if you could. It is now September 25th. David has asked your husband half a dozen times now, by phone and e-mail, to forward the paperwork via mail or FedEx to us. We are still waiting. My request is this: FedEx the notarized form today. You have our address. And, both you and your husband promised face-to-face, and promised in e-mail, and promised originally to me that you would sign and notorize this paperwork...and I would do the rest. As you know, David and I have paid, as required by Network Solutions, the $70 to re-up the registration of justicewatch.com domain, as the first step that is necessary for a transfer of a domain site to change hands, Domains must be in fullly-paid status before they will start the transfer process. As of August 3rd, 2001 www.justicewatch.com would have been unpaid and returned to the Network Solution's pool for anyone to purchase. So, I paid that bill with my credit card, and retain the receipt for that payment. To this day, you and your husband's name still appear at NS as owners, as paid by David and I, with the last expiry date of August 3rd, 2001 paid and covered by my credit card just before David and I left California to meet with you in Michigan. I paid a bill that extends the ownership of justicewatch.com...that keeps the ownership of the domain in your name...fully promised by you that you would help me get the transfer done...and yet, you cling to ownership of the domain that I have paid for. Chris, are you are soliciting my payment of your Network Solutions' bills, under false pretenses of turning www.justicewatch.com over to me, as you personally...face to face...promised me? Obviously Chris, you have stated your complete contempt of, and disassociation from, this board. It only makes sense, then, for you to complete the transfer of the domain name out of you and your husband's name at Network Solutions, and pass it over to me. I stand by, with NS check in hand, for the immediate 48-hour transfer of the domain name from you to me, as soon as I receive your notorized authorization letter. Otherwise, my money is paying your bills, and you are also breaking your face-to-face word to me. Please forward an answer. It makes administration of this board extremely difficult, and nearly impossible to move away from the current hosting company...it even makes it impossible to pay the insignificant fee of $29.95 a month they require to host the site. If I cannot pay that bill, the site will be closed, as you must very well know. I require an answer as soon as possible. The $29.95 monthly rate is due. Only the owner can pay that bill. That remains, you. This is a situation of interest to all of the members of this board. If I cannot pay the bill, CWI Hosting closes this site. That is a situation I have no control over...and want the members of Justice Watch to understand that before it happens. I shall also never charge any membership fee or ever ask for donations for a monthly forum that costs less than $30. The membership can also count on that from me. I am waiting for an answer, Chris. Dunvegan Leia Amidon Edited to add my address for Chris' reply. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 99. "In the words of the " Posted by v_p on 19:49:44 9/25/2001 scoobitch, "you gotta love it!" LOL Lori, scat. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 100. "Queen Bitch?" Posted by Ally on 19:55:55 9/25/2001 Whatever happened to ignorant slut. Hey, icknore me, I just wanted the 100th post. Hope I get a prize. -------------------------> AL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 101. "100?" Posted by RiverRat on 19:58:00 9/25/2001 Ally - that's a piece of cake......try one thousand on for size. Just trying to Help! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 102. "ha!" Posted by Ally on 20:23:01 9/25/2001 The least you could do is call me Queenie! Queen for a Day that's what I want to be. If I can't be Queen for a Day I suppose Ignorant Slut will have to do. God I love the Internet. ;-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 103. "What did Brightlight Do?" Posted by Real Stormy on 21:27:39 9/25/2001 At the grocery store? Grab the microphone and announce it on the PA system? Wouldn't surprise me. I know how much class she has. (Genteel enough for you, baby?) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 104. "Posting Private emails" Posted by v_p on 17:31:16 9/26/2001 Aparently it was A-OK with the former forum webmistress to post private emails... sorry for chastising you BL, but I hope Dun will change the policy. Chris is posting private emails from Dun on another forum... Let's forgive her though, ok? I'd hate to be harsh on such a fine, upstanding woman who has given 4 years of her life running this forum, (almost into the ground prior to giving it over to Dun), with only the piddly financial crumbs the posters decided to throw her way. Give me a break. I say blow bin Laden's ass off the planet and to hell with empathizing with Chris Wheeler. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 105. "v_p" Posted by Real Stormy on 18:09:25 9/26/2001 Do you remember when Chris took over the forum from Dan? I'm so sick of hearing that she established this forum. We know she didn't. Dan's health was poor so he allowed her to take over. She and China occasionally moderated it for him when he was otherwise occupied. (Chris was Catnip then, too.) It was well-established before she got her hands on it. "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." How pitiful it is to comtemplate that grabbing power on a little internet forum is an important achievement. It appears she can't let this pitiful feeling go. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 107. "Ruby & RS" Posted by v_p on 19:02:28 9/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:02:28, 9/26/2001 Ruby, lol. No one ever told me I look like Pheobe, and I never said that... see how you misconstrue things. Thanks for the compliment about Butler though :o) Now shoo back to FS. RS, sorry, I wasn't around during Dan's days... much to a lot of poster's chagrin. But I've heard the chronology. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 110. "VP" Posted by Ruby on 19:24:31 9/26/2001 You know, v_p reminds me of that actress on TV show, Friends - you know, the dizzy blonde? Looks, I mean looks, gang, not the dizzy part, haha. Okay, that too. hahahahahahaha Can all owners and moderators get together and relieve VP's paranoia. Maybe to much time at the puter as my four year old would say. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 109. "I do not need your permission" Posted by Ruby on 19:06:53 9/26/2001 for anything and it is so like you to accuse to which you know nothing about. I have NEVER posted at FS, WS or CS and I have posted once to Websleuths. Unlike you, I do not have up to two hours a day and more on the weekend. Owners and moderators please get together so that VP can concentrate her "venomous personality" elsewhere. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 108. "Rstormy et al ..." Posted by Mandarin on 19:06:25 9/26/2001 I have a strong feeling that with regard to Chris' behaviour of late, there appears be that old, what did my Mom call it??? Oh yeah, sour grapes ... what else could it be? Sure there were turf wars that I have never been privy to (thank God) and that's pretty standard in life when you have to consider everyone's ego. But, if what people are saying is true, you know, the vitriole that goes on at FS, then I think that goes far beyond a little human feeling of sour grapes. It's more like the "Grapes of Wrath". I have a terrible feeling that there are posters from the past that are doing everything in their power to bring down this forum and will stoop to new lows to try and achieve their goal. How disturbing, especially considering what is going on in the world. Jealousy is one of the seven deadly sins, as they say and many from the past are exhibiting the colour of green in oh so many shades. What a shame - it seems to be festering in their childish minds from morning to night. I would have expected more from Chris but then again, did I really know her? Glad I was just another poster on the old JW with Chris and not "in with the bricks". Thanks to whomever posted the info regarding Joshua7 and how China & Chris subbed for him. To hear a lot of old posters (including myself) ... I have to admit I was under the impression that Chris started the forum in her basement or something. Thanks for clueing me in. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 112. "Seems to me" Posted by Shamrockgirl on 20:43:54 9/26/2001 JW is "self-distructing" which is sad...a lot of the "newbies" don't know all the nuances of what has gone on in JW and the old J7 forums. A lot of the older (not in age but in time online in the JBR forums) don't post a tot anymore because we are all pretty much burnt out with the case. This is why I don't post much anymore. I started posting on your new "Terrorist" forum because it's current news. Most of the threads there have been very good. I hate the total lack of respect a lot of you are giving to others. There is no need for threats. If there are real serious problems, work them out. In private. If there is real evidence of any financial wrongdoing investigate, and keep it private till there is some "real evidence" not just "I sent Chris" etc.....JW is opening itself up for one big libel suit if this is all untrue. Pedro, I knew you were a tad twisted lately, and threatening Baybb with revealing personal information which I'm sure was meant to remain PRIVATE sucks....you are not a gentleman. And that "free china" thing was a joke...no sense of humor huh????? I'd b#$chslap you myself....(pssssst take note kiddies, another reason for keeping your "personal life" PRIVATE.) Sad things have progressed to this point. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 113. "Pati" Posted by Pedro on 20:53:07 9/26/2001 Baybb's wasn't a joke, Baybb's post is hatefull and hurtfull, she acted evil against me. Baybb's friends are using the *free china* as an insult, as they accussed me of kill, cut and bury china in my back yard. The attempts to call the sheriff here weren't a joke, the disclosure of my private life details isn't a joke. I did requested from Baybb to remove that post and she refussed, I begged to her and I was friendly, she laugh and refuse to do it. Sorry Pati, but I think I haven't reveal Baybb's private life, but I have the rigth to. I have to read every day the most terrible accusations against me, so does my wife and my friends. Why shouldn't I do the same? I have the right to give them as much shit as they give to me, but I don't do it, all are seen now what they are, so I have to do nothing but seat here, read and smile! Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 117. "Pissero" Posted by Baybb on 21:07:14 9/26/2001 If you don't like hateful then stop posting your hate filled posts. And as for friendly you are not friendly and it seems this is the only kind of message you "get" My husband was a vetran of 2 wars, an officer and a gentleman by an act of congress. He was an Airline pilot and a disabled Vet. Now go ahead and spew some more of your Anti American chit. You started this chit now see if you can stay the course. I don't think so. Quit whining about your wife and stand up and at least pretend you are a man. You are the one that is spreading the rumors around about China, not anyone else. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 118. "Baybb" Posted by Pedro on 21:10:40 9/26/2001 Come one, everyone know the Queens! LOL. They know you, so post whatever. You are the one that posted *Free china* from FS in this JW forum, you had no right to bring your buddies insults here, as I wasn't even posting to you, and even less defend your stupid behaviour! Yes, I did threated you to post info, but I did that in a private IM with you, you did posted here personal attacks to me. Anyway, go back to FS and be carefull with your coronary! Take care. Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 111. "Mandarin" Posted by Real Stormy on 20:37:56 9/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 20:37:56, 9/26/2001 Unfortunately, there seems to be jealousy of another kind, too. You might have seen the "Free China" banner above. It seems that several of the "Queens" had set their cap for Pedro, who apparently is this good-looking Spanish person. China is the one who married him. They've never gotten over it. Could this be more bizarre? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 115. "shamrockgirl" Posted by v_p on 21:03:51 9/26/2001 >>a lot of the "newbies" don't know all the nuances of what has gone on in JW and the old J7 forums.<<< And I, for one, couldn't care less what went on at the old J7 and JW before. What difference does it make. I've never seen a forum where seniority meant so much... in most cases it just means burn-out... You said it all when you said there has been no case news and that is probably why a lot have stopped posting. CS isn't talking case and Jameson is basically bumping up all her old stuff for the five of them to rehash. As soon as the civil trials start, there will be plenty of posters posting. No one is worried about it... even if some on another forum are absolutely obsessing over the demise of JW. Ruby, I do remember that post now, (how cute that you save all the posts about me) ... I stand corrected, I believe WY wrote it. Have a great evening Ruby and kiss that sweet four year old! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 114. "Stormy" Posted by Shamrockgirl on 20:56:43 9/26/2001 LOL, almosted peed my pants at that one...give me and everyone else a break. My hubby could "eat" off Pedro's head LOL. Have no need for a new man in my life LOL... While some might have been "charmed" by him for a while, didn't take long to realize that "Pissro" spends a lot of time "looking for new fresh meat" on the internet...and I dont' mean USDA PRIME. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 116. "Pati" Posted by Pedro on 21:06:11 9/26/2001 How can you be so dumb? LOL. Well, I guess some don't get it. Why don't you ask Baybb to call my wife again and tell her how many of you are my *fresh meat* in the net? LOL. Now, get some attention from your hubby, ok? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 119. "Sure" Posted by StCrispin on 21:24:54 9/26/2001 Pedro is not going to let these women get what they want. What's that? They want JW members to became interested in this issue of Pedro's private life instead of ask Dunvegan tomorrow morning for chris' papers! But I am sure Pedro isn't going to loss it this time (I hope so) and posters are very interested in the story of why chris transfered JW to someone she was bashing in FS 2 days later! In why Chris refusses to send to dunvegan the papers she need. Where's the $? So, I am sure we all know the Queens, just ignore them, please. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 120. "Shamrock" Posted by Real Stormy on 22:02:27 9/26/2001 I doubt that Pedro needs to search the net for fresh meat. He could just call Omaha Steaks. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 121. "Why Oh Why???" Posted by Mandarin on 22:39:32 9/26/2001 I CANNOT for the life of me, figure out why these people come here, throw their little grenades, and pretend to be ohhhhh so lofty. Baybb ... please go to FS, CS, WS, wherever you feel comfortable. Since Shamrock, Baybb and a few others keep coming here to fight their battles, it almost seems like they are somewhat 'masochistic'. Like I say, these instigators seem to have some sort of 'persecution complex'. Please, if you don't like it here and you obviously don't like the web master and you obviously don't like the posters here, then take the obvious route and do yourselves and us a big favour by leaving in peace. We need a break from you guys. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 122. "Mandarin" Posted by Baybb on 23:12:14 9/26/2001 So far I have said nothing about Dunvegan, but I could. I just haven't. I posted one thing "Free China" before Pedro attacked me. Just those two words. In case you missed it, I thought it was funny and I thought China would too. Now China has been my friend a lot longer than Pedro ever knew her and if she has a problem with me I would expect her to tell me so. Then Pedro IMs me and threatens me he will post things about my husband. Now he doesn't know anything about my husband, he just threatened to post something about him, something he would have to make up. He even admits he did that right HERE on this thread. Are you saying I should answer him at FS and not in here? Is that what you do, go to some other forum to answer posts made to you here? Sounds wierd to me but that is your choice. I chose to answer here where it started. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 123. "I don't have anything to add, but" Posted by Longhorn on 23:27:10 9/26/2001 FREE CHINA NOW [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 124. "hey milkshake, " Posted by v_p on 23:44:50 9/26/2001 (baybb)I guess seniority counts in friendships with you people too, huh? Free china pedro, baybb has known her longer. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 125. "V_P" Posted by Baybb on 23:50:24 9/26/2001 FLOL If you think that knowing I am milkshake at Delhpi is special, join the hundreds of others who saw my post that MilkShake was BayBB. Not exactly a secret you know, or do you know anything [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 126. "Hey Baybb" Posted by Twitch on 04:50:59 9/27/2001 How are you. I always like to see you post. I'm sorry you are being attacked here. It seems like everyone is lately. I didn't know you were milkshake. Hahahaha Don't tell jonesy. She already thinks I'm a space cadet. vp, no, length of membership doesn't really mean anything here. Its just when you show up at the door asking permission to enter, you don't storm in and take over. I wish this would stop. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 127. "Hi Twitch" Posted by Baybb on 06:25:43 9/27/2001 I am doing well now and hope you are the same. I was very ill last winter but am getting stronger. LOL I really thought that now I am not moderating and feeling better I would get back to posting some. Looks like I need to stay away some more. Like you said, length of membership and hours of service to the forum doesn't count for chit around here. It's what have you done for me today. Even the WOR isn't the same. Used to be if you couldn't take the heat, you got out of the WOR. Well, things change and time moves on and like so many others who started JW and kept this place open for all the others to have a place to post on, maybe it is time for me to leave too. :-) Then again, maybe I will stay till the bitter end and a bitter end it looks like it will be. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 128. " Twitch" Posted by v_p on 07:09:01 9/27/2001 Tell you what, you sit here with the Queens and if you suck up real good to them they won't blast you again at their cave. Clue twitch, baybb's not here to contribute anything to the forum, she's here to disrupt along with the rest of the flameslu*s, or haven't you noticed. Chris is not, for all intents and purposes, the webmistress now so they don't give a rat's ass how they leave the place when they're finished tearing it down. They think Dunvegan is a dumbass Twitch, and they along with Chris are starting whole threads about how stupid Dun is and then they come over here and use her banwidth to chunk flames. But I've been called a disruptor many times for trying to defend the place. But you stay and have tea with the nice ladies twitch... have a nice day. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 130. "vp" Posted by Twitch on 07:28:43 9/27/2001 I don't know anything about any Queens. Baybb has always been a queen with me. She has been nice and funny and welcoming and I like her a lot. I don't know her personally and I don't know you personally but I like both of you. We just don't agree on this vp. You are a passionate and valuable contributor to this forum and I'm not gonna fight with you. I just wish this would stop. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 129. "Twitch" Posted by RiverRat on 07:25:54 9/27/2001 VP is right. Is their strategy really that hard to figure out by now? They enter swinging. They sucker punch. And God forbid you take a self-defense stance. They distort reality and they are ALL cut from the same cloth. Yet decent posters are expected to forgive, forget and mingle with those that keep on biting. Is this peace? Baybb - am I not to believe what Pedro has told me? I guess that could be true since at the very moment he was telling another person and I how decent of a person you were, you were in here posting (for the first time in eons) your little humorous banner and it's aftermath. Bitter end? What else would we expect from such a bitter group? Thank you for the heads up though. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 131. "RR" Posted by Baybb on 07:59:17 9/27/2001 As always, you can believe what you want to believe. I haven't tried to change your mind up about Pedro, he will do that himself. I posted a joke to China that I thought she would find funny and Pedro came in and attacked me, in IM, in e-mail and in here. When his threats to me didn't make me quiver with horror, he tried, as he admits above, using my dead husband. His latest threat I am not sure I understand whether he is going to attack me or my daughter or granddaughter or what. :-) I can't wait till your turn comes and come it will. It is no secret why he only has new friends, you will be an old friend in time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 132. "I doubt it" Posted by RiverRat on 08:29:41 9/27/2001 No history here, no good old day's four years ago, I don't have anything on him and he doesn't have anything on me, in other words, no grudge match here like he has to engage in with his old buddies. This is just smear tactic 101: Push certain people aside and then berate them for having a forced association. Enjoy as always ladies. If Pedro or anyone else wants to add themselves to the list of posters that I was snowed by, it's a little too late to reach the devasting point for me, so it isn't as much of a big deal that you may think it is. However, if it would bring you comfort, you may contact me for a list of things that would bring me dismay for you to share so that the FS day isn't completely wasted. My thanks to you for your former contributions to the forum. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 133. "RR" Posted by Baybb on 08:42:07 9/27/2001 :-) RR, he doesn't have anything on me either. In case you didn't understand what he said above, he said he was going to MAKE UP things he was going to post about me and my family. I just have a life sized picture of what you would do if he said that to you. And thanks for the thanks, I did enjoy it most of the time and don't begrudge anything I ever gave to JW be it money or time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 134. "The Pissboy " Posted by tamster on 08:59:15 9/27/2001 I must say that the Pissboy has sunk to an all time low. Threatening to make defamatory remarks about Baybb's late husband, who was a decorated veteran and accomplished businessman. The Pissboy can only dream of such accomplishments. The Pissboy seems to dedicate himself to playing on the computer all day, hurling insults, and acting like an insolent child. He has a lot of nerve to insult the memory of a once great and loving husband. Then, the Pissboy adds, "watch your coronary." This to a woman who in the past showed nothing but a tremendous amount of kindness and hospitality to the Pissboy and his wife. Insults hurled at someone who allowed them to stay in her home during their travels to visit sick relatives, treating them as dear friends. Many of us are deeply concerned about Baybb's health and only wish her well. She most certainly doesn't need to put up with crap like this from a little weenie of a man. Bea, I just want to poke him in the eye for being such an idiot. Free China, indeed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 135. "Tam" Posted by Baybb on 09:13:42 9/27/2001 Hi Tam, it is okay. I caught the reference to my heart above and let it slide. I posted a joke to China and Pedro has to turn it into an attack on me, my health, my late husband, my children, etc. I had warned him last May to never threaten me again and I think he forgot. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 137. "Baybb" Posted by RiverRat on 09:38:22 9/27/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 09:38:22, 9/27/2001 This is a nasty mess so help me sort this out please. You already warned him not to threaten you back in May but yet decide to come to his door and provoke him with your idea of a joke? A joke that you dragged from the very place that has done nothing but terrorize those that are not the chosen ones this week? Am I right or wrong so far? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 140. "RiverRat" Posted by Baybb on 09:58:05 9/27/2001 I posted what I considered a joke and what I figured China would think was a joke. Pedro chose to attack me for it. And those posters at FlameSleuths are/were China's friends too. Up until the time Pedro started answering China's e-mails they were all in close contact. Well, since FS is open for all to post on you could hardly say all were China's friends nor mine either and that is what it is all about, Flaming. Don't you remember the SpayBayBB nick that posted there and a couple of other nicks in that vein? And come to his door? I beg to differ with you on that. I was posting here loooong before Pedro ever showed up. So you are right in that this is a mess. Wrong on the other. This is also in the WOR which is JW's Flame room and anyone that can't take it, need not enter. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 136. "Babyb" Posted by Ally on 09:26:52 9/27/2001 Do you think "Pedro" snowed China? Do you think she is in danger? Some of this is not funny. You are worrying me. WARNING! DON'T DATE MEN ON THE INTERNET. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 139. "MY GOD!" Posted by Cassandra on 09:57:06 9/27/2001 FREE CHINA AND JUSTICE WATCH! This is what happened when Pedro and his minions were allowed back in. Chris had a reason for banning them. We're seeing it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 142. "I give Cass" Posted by RiverRat on 10:37:31 9/27/2001 Too minioned out. Everyone is on their own. Praying that this minion's removal of interest allows the Phoenix to arise. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 138. "Ally" Posted by Baybb on 09:41:38 9/27/2001 No, I do not think China is in danger. LOL Pedro might be if he treated her as he does us but I don't think that is the case. Pedro is a nice looking man and they make very nice looking couple and seem devoted to each other. She has told me that she is just too busy now with looking after her mother and looking for a house and a lot of real life things. She has lots of family and friends around that they visit and that visit them and I am sure that if there were to be anything terribly wrong she would have their support and care. Happenings on forums on the Net are NOT what she considers real life. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 143. "BB" Posted by Ally on 11:24:47 9/27/2001 I don't consider the Internet or the forums "real life" either, but I *do* take threats on the Internet seriously. And it does seem like this guy is not really as he originally portrayed himself when every body first was acquainted with him, that he fooled them all or something, or had a mysterious past. And *that* is none of my business (before anyone else says it first!). I was just concerned about 'China.' She has been around these forums for awhile and I would hate to learn that she's fallen for some guy who's just an Internet scam. Thank you, Ally. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 141. "That's a relief, Baybb" Posted by Cassandra on 10:03:49 9/27/2001 Hope your health continues to improve. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 144. "Baybb" Posted by Pedro on 11:37:27 9/27/2001 Thanks for posting that, people doesn't get the *game* and they don't know China! I do, you told me *the important part is how you play the game* And I think I am doing fine. I haven't answer China's e-mail, someone for whatever reason, had me in the queens e-mail list ;-). Longhorn, China say hi. Yep, Baybb, my wife is right, this isn't real life, is just the *net*. Now, posters, don't get upset, they try to take our attention away from the important issues! Don't let them bring FSluts here! Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 146. "Pedro" Posted by Baybb on 12:00:09 9/27/2001 I don't think you are doing so "fine" you need to take a few days off and go play "olf." If you want to know if I am still mad and disgusted with you, I am and I think any sane person would be. That does not apply to your wife, just you so you need not worry your little pointed head about her. Your latest threats went far beyond the pale and I am not going to just shove them aside. Yes, I told you that the important part was how you played the game and you still don't get it. You want to hit low and dirty and then you whine when you get smacked back. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 150. "Yes" Posted by Pedro on 15:12:59 9/27/2001 Baybb, I hit low and dirty? Sorry, your buddies play low and dirty, I haven't yet. I have only threat, others have done so! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 145. "Get your" Posted by Cassandra on 11:45:13 9/27/2001 FREE CHINA here! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 151. "Cassandra" Posted by Pedro on 15:14:12 9/27/2001 sure. How is the weather? LOL [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 148. "Brightlight Can't Come Here Anymore" Posted by Arwa on 14:45:31 9/27/2001 Brightlight was banned from JW right after she made those posts on here the other day. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 152. "Arwa" Posted by Wade on 15:16:09 9/27/2001 Why is that and how do you know? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 147. "Pedro" Posted by Baybb on 14:15:21 9/27/2001 you said : I haven't answer China's e-mail, someone for whatever reason, had me in the queens e-mail list ;-). I think you did answer China's e-mail and put yourself on their list. Imagine my supprise when I found out you were blind copying your e-mails to me to some of them. I think I managed to figure out which ones, they were the ones where your response copied my e-mail to you on it and the ones without a copy of my e-mail on it must have been the ones you sent to only me and not to others. Like I said folks, Pedro has no old friends, only new ones and this is just one of the reasons why. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 149. "Baybb" Posted by Pedro on 15:10:01 9/27/2001 How could I put my e-mail on someone elses mailing list? Are you telling me that I went to each of the Queens homes and included my name in their mailing list stored in their outlock express? Nah, nah, someone else did that, it wasn't me! Actually, my e-mail had my real name on it, and China's hers, so no confussion. They were e-mailing me, sometimes even only to me. I have e-mail that begin with *Pedro* or *Dear Pedro* or *Thanks Pedro*. Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 154. "Soap Opera" Posted by Flanagan on 15:31:21 9/27/2001 That's like a soap opera. I'm amazed. Best regards to Mini. P.S. Pedro... I understand you say you are spanish, and I'm confident you are... but your family name isn't. From which spanish region are you from? Just out of curiosity. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 153. "LOL Pedro" Posted by Baybb on 15:28:29 9/27/2001 How could you do it? You just bopped on over to China's computer and answered one of her e-mails from them and added your own address. They replied to the last e-mail recieved and it included your address. Then you added me to the list and I certainly wasn't on it till you added me and they didn't add me to their list either, only you did that. Then they complained to you about you doing that and took you and China off the list. How do I know all this? Because you put me on their list without asking me or them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 157. "Baybb" Posted by Pedro on 19:23:16 9/27/2001 Fine, then tell me where those *dear Pedro * and *Thanks pedro* from the queens come from! IS China's name pedro? Baybb one of yours screw up, don't blame me, you aren't fun anymore! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 155. "Pedrone" Posted by LoriAnn on 16:52:42 9/27/2001 Pedro states that he did NOT add his name to the Queens email list, but I know for a fact that he did add himself each time we took him off. He did read China's mail that we sent her and he is notorious for blind copying mail to other people. He once put me on an email with a about 50 other people that I've never heard of. RiverRat, et al, please to go back to the archives at the various forums and just peruse some of the posts that Pedro has made in the recent past. It was an eye opener for me and the rest of the Queens. At the time his meltdown first began, I was busy with my new job, graduation, etc, and I really wasn't keeping up. I just defended him because he told me to. After really taking a look at what he was posting, it hit me like a truck. Pedro is a perverted little man who had absolutely no respect for women. HE SAID CHANDRA LEVY WAS A WHORE, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! How sick is that?? He thinks all abused children are WHORES!!! Can it get any sicker?? Why is so obsessed with the JW chat room?? I'm betting you can guess if you think about it. FREE CHINA!!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 159. "LuluAnn" Posted by Pedro on 19:27:35 9/27/2001 Do you believe people here is stupid? I have e-mails from YOU with my name in the queens mailing list that begin with *Dear Pedro* *Pedro* and *Thanks Pedro* so...explain that! LOL.... Now Lori, you are still witless, but rude, as a PC screen (all you are) you ain't fun any longer! Is this all you can do to fire me up? I answer you by *default* I don't read your posts! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 156. "Yo, Drama Queen!" Posted by Ally on 18:39:01 9/27/2001 l o l, thanks so much for adding your rant to the rave. I hope Dunvegan doesn't carry out her plan to reduce this forum to a Daily Thread because these threads are just making my night not. So, you are saying #1 that Pedro is a Queen. (You refer to the Queens' email.) Or, at the very least, a wannabe. I can dig it. Why doesn't he have a job, or work, or something? You guys made him. Try uncreating what you've created!! He seems to have made it his "bussiness" to monitor your movements. I guess that threatens you. (I can see why.) BE CAREFUL OF MEN YOU MEET ON THE INTERNET!! I can't say that enough. As for your 'RiverRat et al' (that would be me) comment, I have no time for what's yesterday's news. Why don't you just tell us? He said Chandra Levy's a whore?! Oh my God!! All she did was carry on an affair with a married man, play by *all* his rules, and engage in sex acts only the most experienced of, shall we say, courtesans would be familiar with. The fact that he offed her does not make her an angel by any means, live with it. She was his mistress make no mistake about it. He asserted that the MW person was a prostitute. Only *you* have expanded that to imply that he means all abused children are ho's. He never said that. I believe what he said was, all you girls hate men because when one's around, you can't keep your pants on. I think that's what he said. (What he means, I have no idea.) When you stop sucking up to Nancy Krebs maybe you will see her for what she really is. I'm betting you can guess if you think about it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 162. "Ally" Posted by Pedro on 19:33:57 9/27/2001 Thanks, deeply thanks. Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 158. "Geez..." Posted by LoriAnn on 19:25:49 9/27/2001 I thought you were a girl, Ally. 'Scuse the hell out of me. What's next? Are you going to call JonBenet a whore too? Dunvegan should be so proud to have you on her team. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 161. "Lori" Posted by Pedro on 19:31:16 9/27/2001 What happen is that some women understand that gender don't made humans bad or good, only bitter persons like you think that way! So, yeah right, all men are pigs...bla bla bla, poor MW! LOL Lori, I thought you could do better! You are very boring Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 160. "OK. That foul name calling of JonBenet..." Posted by Dunvegan on 19:28:55 9/27/2001 ...did it for me. Deactivated, LoriAnn. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 163. "Dunvegan" Posted by Pedro on 19:35:26 9/27/2001 Thanks, they are doing everything they can to made me loss it, I haven't and I won't. They did this to me many times, I have learn how to deal with it now. Pedro. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 164. "This Forum" Posted by tamster on 21:40:46 9/27/2001 I must say that this forum has become a shadow of its former self. To see longtime posters banned for telling the truth, while people like Pedro, VeePee, and RealStormy are allowed to flame and flame away. It is shameful. Perhaps the fights over the forum domain name are more complicated than they seem. If this forum was placed on one of the many domains already registered by dunvegan, all of the posters would find the site within a few days. What if the real goal is to shut the forum down, using flames as an excuse, and cash in on the domain name? It is common knowledge that Chris was offered a very generous sum for the justicewatch.com domain just last year. I cannot imagine anybody allowing these hate-filled posts to continue in this manner without some other motive. Truly shameful. FREE CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 165. "Yeah" Posted by Pedro on 21:48:23 9/27/2001 Tamster, Free China :-) Now go back to chat an tell the girls that you have posted it too! What a thrill! LOL Pedro. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 166. "IMHO" Posted by JR on 21:55:40 9/27/2001 Those who keep posting the "Free China" business are trying to incite Pedro. IMHO are breaking the rules under House Rule No. 4 and should be warned and then banned if this continues. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 167. "JR" Posted by Pedro on 22:00:36 9/27/2001 They try to incite me. As Baybb posted before, they did it in the past, they'll do it in the future, so at lest we know who create this. Now, JR, I don't care, it doesn't get to me. I have learned to laugh at it, seat back and wait for them to do my job. I don't have to tell anyone what they are, they are doing that themselves, and in the try, getting banned! LOL, RFLOL. Pedro [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 168. "To Justice Watch" Posted by Shamrockgirl on 22:09:14 9/27/2001 BURN BABY BURN!!!!!!!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 169. "Actually, Shamrock" Posted by Real Stormy on 22:13:17 9/27/2001 That's one of the more intelligent posts from your group tonight. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 170. "Real Stormy" Posted by Shamrockgirl on 22:19:16 9/27/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 22:19:16, 9/27/2001 Why thank you so much....LOL Nothing worse than those who are so blind that they can't see. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE