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Open Letter to Dunvegan, LurkerXIV, 23:06:59, 9/25/2001 Lurker, JR, 23:15:50, 9/25/2001, (#1) L-XIV, Gemini, 23:28:40, 9/25/2001, (#2) Lurker, I'm sorry that you are requesting to leave, Dunvegan, 23:47:04, 9/25/2001, (#3) Lurker , Twitch, 04:39:55, 9/26/2001, (#4) Lurker, Jerrya, 05:00:56, 9/26/2001, (#5) OMG, Ally, 06:23:36, 9/26/2001, (#6) Be careful, RiverRat, 06:51:10, 9/26/2001, (#7) Twitch, v_p, 07:20:50, 9/26/2001, (#8) Dunvegan, zapata, 08:30:13, 9/26/2001, (#9) Ahem, janphi, 09:11:10, 9/26/2001, (#10) Lurker XIV, please read this:, Greenleaf, 09:43:53, 9/26/2001, (#11) Dear Lurker...., Voyager, 11:05:53, 9/26/2001, (#12) Voyager, Watching you, 11:10:41, 9/26/2001, (#13) Games, hergus, 17:41:22, 9/26/2001, (#17) Voyager..., DAWN, 11:23:16, 9/26/2001, (#14) Voyager, Tricia, 12:36:47, 9/26/2001, (#15) JFJBR, Moab, 14:27:23, 9/26/2001, (#16) Great Everyone ..., Mandarin, 18:11:46, 9/26/2001, (#19) Answering your questions, Jamphi, Dunvegan, 18:10:10, 9/26/2001, (#18) Redux, janphi, 21:55:58, 9/26/2001, (#28) Janphi, Watching you, 09:40:08, 9/27/2001, (#32) Look it up yourself, janphi, 12:24:52, 9/27/2001, (#40) Janphi???, Mandarin, 22:24:46, 9/26/2001, (#29) Janphi ..., Mandarin, 18:22:18, 9/26/2001, (#21) let lurker leave in peace.............., purr, 18:20:45, 9/26/2001, (#20) Starve it to death!!!, Greenleaf, 18:52:34, 9/26/2001, (#22) Agree ..., Mandarin, 20:15:28, 9/26/2001, (#24) Greenleaf, , Mels, 20:13:17, 9/26/2001, (#23) I enjoy & appreciate, Real Stormy, 20:52:54, 9/26/2001, (#25) Real Stormy, zapata, 11:50:58, 9/27/2001, (#36) Rstormy ..., Mandarin, 21:28:22, 9/26/2001, (#26) Yes, StCrispin, 21:33:37, 9/26/2001, (#27) oh, Lurker, say it ain't so..., Scully, 09:34:15, 9/27/2001, (#31) I don't understand, Ayeka, 09:29:59, 9/27/2001, (#30) FWIW, janphi, 11:44:39, 9/27/2001, (#35) I could be wrong, Janphi, Ayeka, 12:54:18, 9/27/2001, (#43) Yes, I did, janphi, 13:36:54, 9/27/2001, (#46) How is it possible, Real Stormy, 10:05:48, 9/27/2001, (#33) IMO, fly, 11:44:24, 9/27/2001, (#34) Fly, Baybb, 12:11:27, 9/27/2001, (#39) Interpretation, janphi, 12:01:29, 9/27/2001, (#37) Dear Fly, Tricia, 12:09:25, 9/27/2001, (#38) Hi baybb, Tricia, 12:38:32, 9/27/2001, (#41) Tricia, Baybb, 12:52:40, 9/27/2001, (#42) Tricia, Baybb, 13:26:20, 9/27/2001, (#45) Dunvegan, Midnight_Wolf, 13:17:25, 9/27/2001, (#44) MidnightWolf, Baybb, 13:46:41, 9/27/2001, (#47) Yes Baybb, Midnight_Wolf, 15:01:11, 9/27/2001, (#48) MidnightWolf, Baybb, 15:17:25, 9/27/2001, (#49) Baybb, Midnight_Wolf, 15:41:01, 9/27/2001, (#50) baybb, v_p, 16:38:34, 9/27/2001, (#51) v_p, Real Stormy, 17:02:49, 9/27/2001, (#52) RS, v_p, 17:05:44, 9/27/2001, (#53) v_p, Real Stormy, 17:06:48, 9/27/2001, (#54) ................................................................... "Open Letter to Dunvegan" Posted by LurkerXIV on 23:06:59 9/25/2001 Please deactivate my account ASAP. This forum fell to a new low today with the attack on Chris Wheeler. You have allowed posters to freely accuse Chris of fraud and deception, and have not stepped in to set the record straight. I no longer wish to be a part of this petty, vindictive, duplicitous group. Goodbye to the many friends I have here. "It was great fun--but it was just one of those things." ~ Cole Porter [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Lurker" Posted by JR on 23:15:50 9/25/2001 IMHO, you haven't given Dun a chance to read through all the threads and respond accordingly. They have been fairly active and difficult to keep up with. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "L-XIV" Posted by Gemini on 23:29:25 9/25/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 23:29:25, 9/25/2001 don't do this. Listen to JR. Give her a chance. edited to say ... I think it sucks, too. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Lurker, I'm sorry that you are requesting to leave" Posted by Dunvegan on 00:03:55 9/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 00:03:55, 9/26/2001 I have attempted today to have a promise honored, made almost two-weeks ago to simply send papers for transference of the domain...to no avail. As far as "stepping in to stop it" I have removed the original "Open Letter to Chris Wheeler" to the WOR. I felt my language was resonable, I am sorry you disagree...had this situation gone on much longer, this point would have been moot...as the fourm host would have shut off the juice. It has been wondered from August 4th by many people if I were only a shill...as no domain had changed hands for Jutice Watch. I sad only I was trying to get that accomplished. Today, after 2 days on the phone to try to pay the bill for this forum, and have Network Solutions overlook the authorization to transfer domains, I finally, with heavy heart, went public. I have said nothing aout Chris except she lied to me in Michigan when she said she'd send the papers out to me right away that week. That did not turn out to be a truthful statement. I said so. Not allowed to ask for honoring the promise of transferring this domain name, Lurker? I too have put in some work recently here. Should I just have let it go dark? Everything I said was true. David called Chris' home one last time this morning to ask, politely, for the paperwork. Chris' son answered and said that he'd relay the message. This was only one of over a half-dozen times David has called the Wheeler residence or emailed Chris' husband (who advised us he had already had the papers notorized) all in trying to make this transfer happen. I finally posted to try for a last chance to pay the forum bills, and to gain the promised ownership of a domain that I payed this year's NS domain site bill for, by writing an open letter. That, and the impending power-down at the webhosting site promped me to do something extraordinary required to make certain the board's bills were paid. Finally, the unkindness shown to me on FlameSleuths from day one of when I took over this forum has been confusing and greatly directed at my and this forum's percieved failures. Well, of course, that is what they do. However, FC even went to far as to coment on my mention (on the "Why did you get iterested in the JBR case") which I posted, after some hesitation, that I'd been molested from the age of three on for years...and that was my reason. I'd already gone over this once in an old archived thread. All Flamesluthes had to say was this: She couldn't wait to post that wacked out pic of herself and to tell the world about her VICTIMIZATION. Who gives a flying f**k? You're alive, bi*ch, get over it. This is the compassionate group, where Chris posts, that say such thinks about a child abuse victim, but bring on a holy war if anyone questions NK's story? Did Chris say one kind word, even though she'd met me, and supposedly trusted JW to me, after this attack at FS. No. Chris said not one word in my defense. Mind you, even then, I didn't say a word. Have I ever participated in any Chris-bashing at all? Today, I simply asked for what was promised to my face, by Chris, on August 4th...and as soon as she could get it to me. That was it. Sorry you felt that my request for the fulfillment of a promise, was worse than what the FlameSluthes (including Chris) has been saying about me since the day I took over this forum. It should have been a simple walk in the park, a handshake, and a completed agreement. I did not attack Chris. I strongly asked for, with supporting evidence, an explination. This post was only resorted to after all other channels of communications with the Wheeler's failed. And, now I understand, the papers I've been promised all along shall finally be sent. You are of course aware that, Chris has been attacking me since August 6th at FlameSluthes. For what reason, I'm hard pressed to tell you. I have never said an unkind world about Chris on this forum. Today I only asked what the problem was on turning over the domain. I asked why I was smiled at and told the owner's signoff papers for Network Solutions would be immediatily fothcoming. OK, Lurker...I'll miss your insightful posts, and your personality. I am sorry to see you go. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Lurker " Posted by Twitch on 04:39:55 9/26/2001 Please don't go. Hang for a while. I deplore the attacks on Chris and Ma here as much as I hate the attacks on Dun and Wy at FS. For the record, I gave a little money to Chris and JW in the past. I never thought for one minute that every cent I gave Chris would be spent on the physical workings of JW. Chris worked long and hard on this forum without a penny of compensation. I think she deserved it then and I think so now. I certainly don't think she got rich off of any money I sent. Dun, I have no problem with taking your forum problems public, but I felt you were out of line to suggest that Chris has been in this for the money. VP and Tricia, my feelings about you and Dun do not enter into this, but for the sake of this forum, let it rest. I'm getting a little tired of that one last nasty remark followed by "Lets move on." Getting the last word is not always the most important thing. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Lurker" Posted by Jerrya on 05:00:56 9/26/2001 Sorry to see people make such hasty decisions. Why? What prompted all this in the first place? What are the issues that need to be sorted out? Who isn't in front with us, and who could be enjoying this fray as we post? I think we're better than this. If we all stop for a moment and clear our heads we can figure this thing out and why. Why this terror? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "OMG" Posted by Ally on 06:23:36 9/26/2001 I thought these types of threads were banned along time ago. WAH BWAH HAH I'm leaving get over it or tell me how much you love me so I'll stay. Lurker you do take the cake. From my own experience with you you are one mean-spirited woman. You rise with the tide and go with the flow in the most negative way. Yet really you are neither hot nor cold. Maybe it *is* time for someone to spew you out of their mouth. For the most part you will never be missed. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Be careful" Posted by RiverRat on 06:51:10 9/26/2001 She has been known to mark her territory, she'll be back. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Twitch" Posted by v_p on 07:20:50 9/26/2001 >>VP and Tricia, my feelings about you and Dun do not enter into this, but for the sake of this forum, let it rest. <<< I'm trying to find where I posted on this thread twitch. Why are you singling me and Tricia out? The open letter to Chris thread has over 100 posts on it. This is no longer Chris' forum... if you still want to suck up to Chris, (talking to Lurker), she can be found posting night and day at FS ... the main topic being discussed - how dumdun is too "stoopid" to run this forum. Take your anger over there and tell them to give it a rest Twitch. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Dunvegan" Posted by zapata on 08:30:13 9/26/2001 I feel you did nothing wrong. You were only seeking what was your's. Hang in there and try to have a good day. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Ahem" Posted by janphi on 09:11:10 9/26/2001 Finally, the unkindness >shown to me on FlameSleuths from >day one of when I took >over this forum has been confusing >and greatly directed at my and >this forum's percieved failures. Well, of >course, that is what they do. You are of course >aware that, Chris has been attacking >me since August 6th at FlameSluthes.For >what reason, I'm hard pressed to >tell you.I have never said an >unkind world about Chris on this >forum. Why is it OK for you to post on JW about the attacks on you by a JW poster that were posted at another forum, yet you ridiculed ME when I asked what could be done about it when it happened to me? Your answer to me was: "I'll just say what I would/will do when someone attacks me at a forum where I do not or can not post, janphi: I have and will let it go." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Lurker XIV, please read this:" Posted by Greenleaf on 09:43:53 9/26/2001 Dear Lurker XIV, Once upon a time, we, here at JW, were a family. We laughed, cried and communicated with one another in the spirit of love and respect. Oh, there were always the malcontents, who came and went with the wind, but we basically stuck together, much the same way as a real family. That spirit of cooperation has made JW the forum of record. You, Lurker, of all people, know how the ebb and flow of emotions run on a forum. Your voice has always displayed a tone of wisdom and maturity. Your posts were intelligent, insightful and sometimes, downright funny. We cannot afford to loose the likes of you. I am not a "Chris basher;" nor, do I think most of us could be put into that category. I do not believe that Dun is, in any way, a Chris basher either. The times of transition are always difficult. Dunvegan took the reins from Chris and did the best she could. In fact, I give her high points for the manner in which she has conducted herself. She has displayed a degree of decorum which is, under the circumstances, unprecedented. Lurker, I ask you kindly to reconsider your current stance. This is transition time. The old Captain has retired, and we are so fortunate to have a new Captain, ready and willing to take the helm. Dunvegan is not perfect. Chris is not perfect, but they both did (and are doing) the best they can. Now is not the time to quit. We can agree to disagree and still stay on board. Although I deplore the Chris bashing, that too, in time, will fade. Our frustrations are best directed towards child abusers and murderers, and not those who are fighting these unholy parasites. So, to Lurker, and others, my message is this: Now is not the time to jump ship. Together, we can be a formidable foe against injustice. Together we stand; divided, we fall. I am just one small voice, in this cyberspace wilderness. Dear Lurker, stay here with us. Help us to rebuild this forum into a great place for JfJB. We need you. Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "Dear Lurker...." Posted by Voyager on 11:05:53 9/26/2001 I hope that you will heed Greenleaf's wise words and gentle plea....you are needed and respected here... I am not a Chris basher either...she did a fine job with JW for many years and may at this final point, have found it very difficult to give over the ownership of something she nurtured for so long..... In trying to figure out the whole bizarre scenario, with Chris and Ma Brady abruptly leaving, I have decided that their are probably several components: 1. Chris and Ma Brady may both be at total "burn-out"....the day in and day out work of running a forum and always having that burden of watching over it, to make sure the hardware, as well as the posters were behaving, must after a while just be a real bore and even finally intollerably large part of their personal lives...."Hence"....burnout! 2. After a while with all the work and poster misbehavior and complaints, without the rewards of progress or news on the JBR case, one would tend to feel the lack of positive feedback and success necessary to boost enthusiasm and keep ones desire to continue.... 3. Sometimes friendship loyalties, and the opinions and direction of the forum in general were in great conflict...even when one tries to be an impartial webmistress and an impartial information gatherer....friendships are strong ties and very infleuential in the turns that our lives make.... We all know that Chris and Ma Brady have friends among those who have been and are now most critical of Justice Watch...the pressure to change or disrupt JW in the past weeks under Dunvegan's management, must have been quite strong....The ties to old friends are always a strong element in decision making, and sometimes infleunce people toward a less that positive outcome... 3. Giving over the reins of a forum one has nurtured and built must be an enormously difficult task....I can understand the contrasting emotions of wishing the new webmistress success, and wishing her failure.... JW was still in OK condition when Chris handed it over, but had been the victim of strife and case inactivity for a while....The entrance of a new webmistress has given a fresh approach and a widened scope in finding justice for victims of crime, and in an especially difficult time for JW members and for our whole country, has become a place to come for vital information and for comfort, as our country's war effort begins.... The increasing scope and potential of JW in the past weeks under the energetic leadership of Dunvegan during these past weeks has been inspiring....perhaps it has been difficult for Chris and some of her friends who have left JW, to accept this success in light that this success has taken a different direction and emphasis than they would have predicted... I can only believe that some were wishing and waiting for the failure of the forum without their presence and direction...perhaps this is a natural feeling, and I can understand that..... 4. Flamesleuths.... Most of us have no understanding of the value and purpose of Flamesleuths.... When asked for an explanation for the vile posts made there, which are filled with criticism, unbrideled hatred and cutting personal remarks about JW and it's members, the answer comes back, "What do you expect?" "This IS a flame forum!"..... Of course this is not an explanation at all, but only an excuse for an unchecked release of anger, and frustration against everything and every person on the net who has happened to cross the path of any of people who post there....It is like a wild west frontier town with no requirement for etiquette or manners....one is allowed to spit on the sidewalks, abuse the reputation of any and all comers (whether they are in town or not), shooting women and children on site becomes great sport and even a source of mirth and congratulation....No consideration for pain or the future suffering of people is given.... Throwing friends and foe alike into the muddy street and wallowing there, is the main event of the day, and no one who participates in that mudslinging orgy comes out clean.... It was my sad observation, when I finally decided to explore Flamesleuths the last few days to see what was causing such chaos, and spent several hours over there reading the posts all the way back before the tragedy of Sept. 11th, I observed that not one constructive post was made.... Those posts from JW members or seemingly from the friends of JW members seemed silly too, as they tried to defend against the ridiculous rants and old grudges, speculative gossip, and foul language of those who make up Flamesleuths regular posters....There was no real chance for debate, no reason for an intelligent person to post there... There is no way to defend against such tripe and filth, except to ignor it and not go near it.....I think we may have seen it's ill effects on some of those loyal seekers of Justice For Jonbenet Ramsey.... Is it possible that there is still hope that these people whom we have known to be solid and sincere supporters of justice and this worthy community, that they can wash off the filth and mud in which they have been tossed, and join again in the effort for justice for indivdual victims of violence, and in justice for the United States which is the victim of a terrible act of war?.... It is my great hope that this is still possible...Let us all extend the hands and forgive our human frailties and forgive the accusations from both sides from the past, and go forward as a community to do this important work... Please believe that in the coming months, that we will all need each other and this place to reach out and come together to do good.... Thanks for listening....Voyager [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Voyager" Posted by Watching you on 11:10:41 9/26/2001 I very much respect your opinion, and I agree with almost all of your post. There has been way too much damage done at that forum for the recipients of the abuse to forgive and forget. To be as forgiving as that one would have to be a saint or close to it. I'm not. And, I don't forget. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Games" Posted by hergus on 17:41:22 9/26/2001 We all need to remember that it's always been a huge game with them, when we give them our power they win. Simple as that. From someone who knows firsthand. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Voyager..." Posted by DAWN on 11:23:16 9/26/2001 I enjoyed reading your thoughts just now...so much of what you said is correct... I am guilty of not only lurking at that stinking dark pit they call FS...but many a time I have tried to defend myself also...and protect the posters I care about... WHAT ON EARTH FOR...???? NO POINT...!!! Those creepy-crawlies would vomit on anyone...just for pleasure...without reason...very strange and quite sick... We all have real lives...much more fulfilling than having to spew venomous abuse at total strangers safely from behind a computer terminal!!! Hahahahaa I just have to laugh! Very creepy...Hahahahaha If we ignore the nasties...things are going to progress beautifully...lots to look forward to with this case...and the need to see that little angel light up the skies...I will not abandon the aims I came to achieve...and I pray the lovely souls here feel the same... dawn [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Voyager" Posted by Tricia on 12:36:47 9/26/2001 can you and Greenleaf be elected ruler's of the world? Both of you offer such wonderful, peaceful insight to all that has gone on here. In fact I keep reading Greanleaf's post so I can step back, take a breath and realize what is important. Now I shall keep reading your thoughtfull post as well. I hope we can all heal and as time goes by and the case heats up again I think we will. I would like to add that becasue of what has gone one here I will become less trusting and perhaps that is a good thing. I just hope when someone is truly in need I will not let my experience here cloud my heart. WY I want to forget too but I don't think I can either. I will be more cautious and less trusting but I know we can all move on at some point. Cetain things will need addressing in the near future and I promise I will look to Greenleaf and Voyagers outstanding posts for guidance. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "JFJBR" Posted by Moab on 14:27:23 9/26/2001 Wise posts, Voyager and Greenleaf. Garrison Keillor once wrote "That's what happens when you get angry at someone. They become a part of your life." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Great Everyone ..." Posted by Mandarin on 18:11:46 9/26/2001 It's really nice to see a post that started off with someone in a huff and Greenleaf, Voyager, VP, Trish & Dunvegan all coming together. Each and every post has its merits, especially Voyager - you put it all so succinctly; I believe you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Yeah, I guess we all have our human frailties. It's going to be all right; I just know it. Many times a poster comes in here to make a big spectacle of the fact they are leaving - well all I have to say is "Don't let the door hit you on the way out" - sorry, but that's my honest feeling. Strangely though, the posters that go "on record" with their exit tend to stick around more than any other poster, no? When I leave a place, no one even notices and that's more by design than accident. I hate publicized goodbyes and feel if one is really going to leave a place, they just do, period. Can't overstate how glad I am that I never knew of Flame Sleuths ... what a swamp! Here's to our future - you go Dun! Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Answering your questions, Jamphi" Posted by Dunvegan on 18:10:10 9/26/2001 >Why is it OK for you >to post on JW about the >attacks on you by a JW >poster that were posted at another >forum, yet you ridiculed ME when >I asked what could be done >about it when it happened to >me? Your answer to me >was:"I'll just say what I would/will >do when someone attacks me at >a forum where I do not >or can not post, janphi: I >have and will let it go." Jamphi, first of all...please post the post where I ridiculed you. Ridicule is a personal attack. Usually strong language accompanies ridicule. I beleve I attempted to make a diplomatic suggestion as advice regarding your troubles. And, it is true...I cannot read every thread on every JBR forum, day-in and night-out, scanning for JW posters to jump in and defend. Meanwile, just as I advised you, I have "let it roll off my back"...what was said at FS. After this initial post of yours, far more incindary things were said about me...which I did not dignify with an answer or an acknowledgement here. Jamphi, can you find one message from me saying anyting about FS attacks about me, other that what you have above? And what you have in your quote is an unfortunate part of the explination I felt was required of me to inculde to explain to this forum of perhaps why the domain is not being passed into my hands...and therefore, why the forum might be closed due to unpaid bills...as only the owner can pay the hosting company bills. If someone is posting hatered towards JW's new webmaster, while clinging to ownership of the domain, which she promised to be transfered immediately back on August 4th, along with agreeing with personal attacks against the JW webmaster, then the folk here ought to know the demise of their forum might be formed of a personal war from former JW webmaster directed to new JW webmaster. And, I want you to know...I thought all day as to whether to say anyting at all or not. It's all petty and ugly. But, if the forum goes black...how would anyone know it was not just me pulling the plug? And, I wanted immediate anwsers, hoping to avoid the problem. Going public, which is believe is very distasteful, even when I was forced to do it, is not my style. I'd rather work deplomacy behind the scenes, and consolidate alliances and solve problems that way. It is important that the Justice Watch users know what is happening to their forum...and that it may all be about trying to undermine me. A forum take-down is serious enough business to report the circumstances of what some people are saying that may lay the reason for the destruction of said forum as a one-sided war from one group to a forum operator. Someone somewhere talked about my asking for pity. When at war, you do not ask for pity. I asked for answers. I finally got them. Note: I did not attack back any of the FS comments in their mannor...I simply reported their statements and the truth, rather than continue calling, e-mailing, and then coming here and begging for the promise to be kept. I reported the statements so that members could make up their own minds about what might happen to their forum because of a groups feelings about me. Period. I don't need or want pity...I'm fine, thank you. I asked for the promised paperwork needed to keep the forum alive. And gave the history. Then demanded that Chris keep her word to me, and by extension, the users of this forum. Correct me if I am wrong, but did not your request include censoring those posters here that attacked you elsewhere? I am not censoring posters that have attacked me, so we remain equivical. I intend to assist posters who are attacked...but, with advice and admnistration, and moved posts...banning is the last act after all else fails. Please let me know if you think this makes any sense to you, or if you are still troubled, and feel I have been unfair to you in any way. That certainly was never the intention. Regards, Dunvegan [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Redux" Posted by janphi on 21:55:58 9/26/2001 Here we go again. I am not "jamphi" and you know it. More ridicule. You never got my hat wrong in 18 months as a "side-by-side" poster, but now that you're the owner/moderator, it is OK for you to intentionally imply to other JW members that I am somehow associated with jameson? Good grief. You did the same thing in that rant at me on the Daily a few weeks ago. Putting me down to let me know that you're important and I'm NOTHING. All of a sudden you don't even know my hat. I know it would never occur to you, but I had just lost someone very close to me and was in full mourning of his death and some associated trauma--something I would NEVER share with this JW viper pit--and then I had to contend with flames from a JW'er, which you defended. If nothing else comes of the 9-11 tragedy--in which I lost someone else--I hope more people will stop to think that the person they are about to flame may just have lost a loved one. You never know. So, once again, tonight, you started in on that "scanning all other forums" bit. I didn't say ONE WORD about that, the first time OR the second time. I am stumped as to why you think it is OK to allow posts from other forums to affect YOUR peace of mind on THIS board, but it is NOT OK for the vicious things directed at me by members of THIS forum to affect MY peace of mind posting here. It keeps boiling down to you telling me how much more important YOU are in the scheme of things, as OWNER (to-be) of the forum, than I am as just another measly poster on the forum. In my mind, ALL OF US should be treated with respect, not just YOU. If you believe "respect" means you didn't CALL ME NAMES, as you said in your email to me, then maybe we need some new definitions here. I want to know why you picked out MY post, of all the horrid stuff that has been posted in the past 24 hours, to pick apart (and not answer). House Rules are being egregiously broken ALL OVER THE FORUM--at your initial instigation--by the people who gush all over you and it's blithely condoned. But, of course, you're not responsible for it--THEY did all the awful stuff. As if there aren't IM's and emails flying between them all as each person posts. They treat this place like a chat room, where people are supposed to answer posts within seconds or minutes, without any research or even any thought. For the life of me, I do not know what in the world I have done to ANYONE here to attract this grief. I post little factual posts from my research and get called a moron (V_P, Real Stormy), mentally ill (Twitch, V_P, Tricia, JR), needing "meds (V_P)," a "liar" (JR),"bitter and full of self-pity" (fly), "needing anger management" (AK), "hated by 98% of this board" (WY), too many horrid things by Pedro (who was allowed two hats here) to even recall, and much more. Never one word about my actual POSTS or the ideas contained therein--just personal attacks. V_P is allowed to copy my posts from JW to CS, but it's perfectly OK with you, even after all your big studies on copyright issues and the House Rule that states, "Posts on this forum are protected by copyright and are not to be copied elsewhere without permission." And no, you did NOT have to search anywhere for it--I copied it into the email where you asked me to "make a case" for myself. If the other forum had still been up, I would've given you the link. Then there was the ridicule you heaped on MY head when I asked ONE QUESTION 3 weeks ago: why some posters got to have alerted posts deleted in a forum which said it was "unmoderated" at the time (you had switched it to "moderated" the day before, AFTER I asked the question, but then tried to tell me you had done it the week before when I showed you the proof otherwise). You ridiculed me for: .not knowing anything about UNIX (so what--I doubt you're an expert at MY profession, either); .somehow accusing you of being in a conspiracy with Microsoft and the Internet to "do malice" to me (what a ludicrous thing to say to someone); .not knowing you were loaded down and exhausted (not everyone reads the Daily); .accusing you of not taking enough time out of your day to think about me, janphi (good grief); .NOT being someone you EVER think of during the day (2nd good grief); .NOT emailing you with questions when something was wrong with my 'Net connection (3rd good grief); ."screaming" (I didn't) that you were UNFAIR to me (you were) when it was MY mistake (it WASN'T); ."bad behaviour" that kept you awake for 3 nights because I couldn't act like an adult (I posted 2 things, then I asked ONE QUESTION). Then you ended it with accusing me of intentionally causing problems to keep you away from productive work. People were killing each other in the other parts of the forum, but MY ONE QUESTION was intended to bring down JW? 4th good grief. And you don't consider any of this FLAMING? On top of all that, three emails later (which is the sum total I had ever sent to you before that and THOSE WERE ALL REQUIRED PAPERWORK by you), you SAY we can work this out and you'll delete all that and apologize and I never heard from you again. And the cruel post on the Daily was NOT deleted. All who read it got the message loud and clear--that "jamphi" is disliked by the "boss." Steer clear. ONE QUESTION was all I asked. That's also all I asked tonight. Your favored posters are threatening lawsuits all over everywhere, which is against the House Rules. You have a disruptor sharing hats and using "back doors." Posters are flaming other posters on every thread. You have a House Rule that says you might solicit donations for the financial needs of the forum from time to time, yet you allow the favored posters to run all over dissing Chris for doing so--after stating you were gonna do something about this situation because of what she wrote at FS. And you got high-fives for PLAYING HARDBALL. In spite of the "no solicitation" rule, Steve Thomas's defense fund is allowed to be promoted. I know I'm a minority here because of compassion for NK, but I'm evidently being ostracized because I still believe John Ramsey caused JonBenet's death, more than I believe Patsy did it in a rage. To expect me to support Steve Thomas is not freedom--even though I do support him in spirit, just not his theory. I daresay I have just as much to be angry at Chris for, if not much, much more--but I just don't play HARDBALL on a forum, ya know. Certainly not about something like this. I came here strictly to study, learn and keep up with the Ramsey case and all its ramifications for law-abiding citizens and innocent children--also sometimes as a diversion from my other 'Net projects. I gave an incredible amount of time, resources and sacrifice to do what I did--Chris and others know it, too. And yet, I have never been allowed to answer my flamers here without my two reply posts being deleted--and the malicious posts by others left standing to continue the viciousness towards me. That is not "do unto others" nor is it equality. I judge "class" by how someone treats others, most notably those that cannot do anything FOR them or TO them. What is done to the least of us is done to all, IMHO. I truly wanted to support you, Dunvegan, and you know it, but it is my opinion that the respect should be reciprocal. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Janphi" Posted by Watching you on 09:40:08 9/27/2001 kindly produce the post where WY said 98 percent of the board hates you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Look it up yourself" Posted by janphi on 12:24:52 9/27/2001 Just search on 98 in your own post file. It's there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Janphi???" Posted by Mandarin on 22:24:46 9/26/2001 Have you got some sort of persecution complex? Sooooooo now you have me to add to your list of detractors. Why do you keep coming here; obviously you're a bugger for punishment, if that is really the case. Go to a forum where you feel welcome; there has got to be at least 30 or more JB forums and since you don't seem too fond of the way this forum is run now, I'm sure you're aware of the best option. Please go in peace, but doooooo go. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Janphi ..." Posted by Mandarin on 18:22:18 9/26/2001 I can't figure if you're "with us" or not. Dun is doing an excellent job, despite all the garbage that is going on. I LOVE the new forum; I feel comfortable here now and somehow the only bad vibes I get are people who think they have to choose between Chris and Dun. We do not need to take any sides - Dun IS our webmistress and like most every poster here, I intend to go along on the bumpy ride of transition, till everything is handed over. We can all have our little wars later on and BTW there is still the WOR Room. This forum is great now; we've had the Chandra Levy case, the NYC disaster, the Ram side trials and everything is fitting nicely into place. But the VERY BEST PART is that we seem to have mostly gotten rid of the NK thingy for good, or have we? Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "let lurker leave in peace.............." Posted by purr on 18:20:45 9/26/2001 i mean ............michael jordan retired didnt he? and guess where he is today? signed back up to play basketball. let lurker retire in peace........and when she wants to come back. she can make that decision. to each his own. but i also will miss her wisdom, insight, and brillance. a voice cut off too soon in my opinion. but would you want someone to stay when they dont want to stay. peace to you lurker. you will be missed! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Starve it to death!!!" Posted by Greenleaf on 18:52:34 9/26/2001 There is a preacher on t.v. named Joyce Meyer. (sp?) I occasionally listen to her. About a month ago she said something that seems to apply to us now. I'm paraphrasing, of course, but she said: When you have a problem, don't beat it to death; STARVE IT! She went to explain that we can starve our problems by not engaging in sparing with our opponents, but, rather, by facing the problem, dealing with it, and then, HANGING IT OUT TO DRY! "Starve it to death! I say, let us not feed into the current frenzy on JW. Let's stop beating it, and let us have the courage and wisdom to DROP IT! Starve it to death! And, this too will pass. Better times are ahead. Goodbye bickering. Hello skinny problem, about to die of starvation. Greenleaf [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Agree ..." Posted by Mandarin on 20:15:28 9/26/2001 Great point Greenie .... starvation is the only answer, it seems. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Greenleaf, " Posted by Mels on 20:13:17 9/26/2001 I love Joyce Meyer! She is so tough! Just what I need when my pitty party gets going in full swing. She is very Bible Based, though I do have a few questions about her statements at time, I find her heart in the right place and her encouragement and commanding nature just what I need from time to time. I ordered her tapes on Faith and she helped me to see that God is so much bigger than the small picture we sometimes like to paint. Thanks for the reminder, think I'll catch up with Joyce's programing again. Mels [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "I enjoy & appreciate" Posted by Real Stormy on 20:52:54 9/26/2001 The manner in which Dun is conducting the forum. She posts about topical subjects and give us links to important news stories. During the terrible days after 911, I often came here to the forum to get the latest updates; Often those updates were in the form of links which Dun had posted. Given the choice, I'm sure Dun would have preferred a smooth transition. When that didn't happen, I think she felt there was no alternative but to go public with the problem so that members would be aware of the situation and if JW goes down, to have the explanation for it. I appreciate her willingness to recognize that the members of JW are entitled to this information. At last we have a webmistress who understands that she is not, by herself, Justice Watch, but it is composed of many people with many points of view. Thanks Dunvegan. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Real Stormy" Posted by zapata on 11:50:58 9/27/2001 I posted this in the WOR, but feel I should post it again. Had Dunvegan not spoken up publicly, and this forum had been closed due to her not being able to pay the bills because this forum was not in her name, then Chris could have paid the forum bills, walked in and taken back the forum. I feel we would have been told that Dunvegan had failed to pay the bills and Chris had to rescue it. Had Dunvegan done as one poster suggested and moved the forum to another url, and used another name for the forum, then JW would still exist with Chris back at the helm. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Rstormy ..." Posted by Mandarin on 21:28:22 9/26/2001 Amen ... truer words were never spoken. Dun's the best. Regards, Mandarin [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Yes" Posted by StCrispin on 21:33:37 9/26/2001 And be aware, there's some who would like to divert your attention to other issues and fire you up, don't loss focus! They have more *helpers* than you know, if have any doubts, ask me! Keep asking to Dunvegan if she got the papers, keep wondering where the $ is and continue asking why Chris give control over JW to someone she was bashing in FS 2 days later! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "oh, Lurker, say it ain't so..." Posted by Scully on 09:34:15 9/27/2001 Words cannot express how much I will miss your presence on this forum. What a tremendous loss for the JW community. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "I don't understand" Posted by Ayeka on 09:29:59 9/27/2001 janphi said: I am stumped as to why you think it is OK to allow posts from other forums to affect YOUR peace of mind on THIS board, but it is NOT OK for the vicious things directed at me by members of THIS forum to affect MY peace of mind posting here. I don't think Dunvegan or anyone else had a problem with your posting about your peace of mind. It's when you asked Dunvegan to ban posters here for things that were said elsewhere that was the issue. I also don't think Dunvegan intentionally mispelled your name. You seem to have it in your head that Dunvegan dislikes you or is intentionally out to hurt you, which I think Dunvegan has better things to do with her time. I think she attempted to answer your question probably on very little sleep... the n and the m are next to each other.... I for one have always liked your research a lot, FWIW. Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "FWIW" Posted by janphi on 11:44:39 9/27/2001 I've never asked anyone to BAN anyone. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "I could be wrong, Janphi" Posted by Ayeka on 12:54:18 9/27/2001 So maybe you didn't want Dunvegan to ban anyone here, but I got the distinct impression that you wanted her to do something. Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Yes, I did" Posted by janphi on 13:36:54 9/27/2001 Enforce the rules so that those who followed them could continue the longtime relationship with JW. Whatever the appropriate action is for breaking the posted House Rule, THAT should be enforced. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "How is it possible" Posted by Real Stormy on 10:05:48 9/27/2001 That an internet forum could disturb a poster's "Peace of mind?" Someone might want to reconsider and adjust their priorities. While it is quite clear that members of another forum seem to have no real lives at all and must depend on the internet for a semblance of life while attempting to interfere with others' lives, I still pity them. Very sad people; More to be pitied than censored. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "IMO" Posted by fly on 11:44:24 9/27/2001 Dunvegan - Going public with what's been going on concerning Chris seems pretty justified to me. You worked privately for quite a long time. If JW were at risk of closure, JW folks needed to know that, and why. Like you said, you laid out the facts for everybody to evaluate and come to their own conclusions. You've done a good job so far at JW. I thought Chris overall did a good job before you. I didn't agree with everything Chris did, and I'm sure that'll be true with you, too, but so what? All I care about is that as much as humanly possible the moderator set up reasonable rules, tries to evenhandedly apply those rules, and at least listens to the input (gripes?) from others. I don't understand Chris' behavior at FS or concerning the forum transfer. Past accusations that she was involved in various attacks on other forums, rather than being the good person most of us thought her to be, now seem more plausible given her actions at FS (according to reports here, at least) and the transfer problems. That saddens me. I'd like to hope that the other side of the story might suggest a different conclusion, but I rather doubt that's the case. janphi - If you don't want people to perceive your posts as self-pitying, don't feel so compelled to bring up your supposed mistreatment every time you post. Nobody had done anything to you at the time of the post to which my comments referred. There was no good reason to once again focus on past perceived wrongs. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Fly" Posted by Baybb on 12:11:27 9/27/2001 One problem is that Chris seems to have quite a different set of "facts" that she laid out at FS and all that her flamers her could fault her for was for posting the actual e-mails and dates. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Interpretation" Posted by janphi on 12:01:29 9/27/2001 "janphi - If you don't want people to perceive your posts as self-pitying, don't feel so compelled to bring up your supposed mistreatment every time you post. Nobody had done anything to you at the time of the post to which my comments referred. There was no good reason to once again focus on past perceived wrongs." >>>>"Self-pitying" is YOUR interpretation. It is not the emotion behind what I am posting. I am asking for rules to be enforced where flaming is not condoned and supported. I don't flame others, but they attack me. You revel in being abusive and you defend other abusive people. Don't come here and write that "no one had done anything" to me or that insults and ridicule and belittling are "supposed mistreatment." It was right there in black and white. Abusers are always in denial. Cruelty and verbal abuse are not "perceived" wrongs. They ARE wrong. But then, you wouldn't be able to recognize that, would you? It isn't "people" who perceive self-pity, it is YOU. And you know what they say about pointing fingers at others. As to your snotty attitude of superiority and never being inaccurate--my complaints are not what I post about "every time I post". I post facts and information--obviously that part doesn't appeal to you enough to read those threads. All you ever do is post criticisms and always at me. That is harassment and is also uncalled for. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Dear Fly" Posted by Tricia on 12:09:25 9/27/2001 I am so glad you came and posted your thoughts. Although I don't always agree with you I know you, without fail, base your opinions, not on emotion or likes or dislikes, but on facts. You stated the facts quite clearly. Thank you fly. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Hi baybb" Posted by Tricia on 12:38:32 9/27/2001 the one thing to remember is as soon as Dunvegan posted her "open letter" low and behold the paper work is sent at once. That action by Chris speaks for itself. Tricia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Tricia" Posted by Baybb on 12:52:40 9/27/2001 Maybe yes, maybe no. But after waiting several weeks for them to give Chris an address to mail it to, I don't see that Dunvegan having to wait another 8 days for it to be sent to her is so far out of line. Maybe it is Dunvegan that should have sent the address sooner. Chit, what do I know. I e-mailed Dunvegan and she e-mailed me right back that very day that she would answer my e-mail in full later that day. Three weeks I waited and then e-mailed her again. She did respond faster and with more info but she still did nothing and Pedro once again took advantage of a blip in IRC and stole the #JusticeWatch chat. I tried to e-mail Dunvegan about it twice and my e-mails to her were refused. Like I said. What do I know? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Tricia" Posted by Baybb on 13:26:20 9/27/2001 Chris just posted more at FS about the package and the e-mails between her and the Dunvegans. Again she quoted from the actual e-mails and it isn't quite the same thing DunVegan posted. If it isn't true I am sure Dunvegan will clear it up post haste. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Dunvegan" Posted by Midnight_Wolf on 13:17:25 9/27/2001 A simple question to put to rest any inconsistancies. Did Chris have your home address in eary August? Is it possible she didn't have a home address to send the papers to? Is it possible that all of this is an oversight? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "MidnightWolf" Posted by Baybb on 13:46:41 9/27/2001 Have you been keeping up at FS? Seems to be two different stories being told about the same thing. One story here and a different one from Chris. http://forums.delphi.com/flamesleuths/messages [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "Yes Baybb" Posted by Midnight_Wolf on 15:01:11 9/27/2001 I have been following everything here, and at FS. I also post at FS. I started posting at FS for people I believed in. I was proven wrong. I have found that FS may be crude, but a lot of the time, they are correct. I have now come to the point that I don't give a shit. I no longer care what happens on these forums. They have become a joke. A sad joke, for a memory of a lost, dead little girl. As it stands now, no justice will be found for JonBenet. Posters seem to have their own agendas. So Be It. I will not be a part of it any longer. I am sorry Ally that I offended you with my first post. It was tongue in cheek and never meant to be taken seriously. I have no fight with you, or anyone else on these boards. And Mini, get a grip, Midnight_Wolf is a hat, I don't have a following, and will be coming after no one. I got caught up in things and participated. This does not make me proud of myself. I will leave it to others to be nasty, I really have no taste for it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "MidnightWolf" Posted by Baybb on 15:17:25 9/27/2001 Don't feel too strange about being sucked in by that story and I do think I know what story you are talking about. I was sucked in for a few days myself then got to thinking and nothing that I knew about the queens made me think it was anything but a setup from the start. Of course I have been royally raked over the coals for my belief but it turns out I was right. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "Baybb" Posted by Midnight_Wolf on 15:41:01 9/27/2001 Right or wrong doesn't seem to matter anymore. It's a whole new ball game with whole new players. I have neither the will, nor the inclination to participate any longer. And from what I'm witnessing, no one plays by the rules anymore anyways. I'm tired now. I just hope that someday justice is served. I hope that Jonbenet can finally rest in peace. God Bless JonBenet, and all of the children who are taken from this life so brutally and without thought. And may all of you who perpetrate these crimes, Rot In Hell. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "baybb" Posted by v_p on 16:38:34 9/27/2001 Chris had Dunvegan's physical address from the day she met her. Chris had Dunvegan's phone number. Chris had more than one email address. Dunvegan left her address on Chris' recorder several times. There was no excuse. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "v_p" Posted by Real Stormy on 17:06:07 9/27/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:06:07, 9/27/2001 Think about it. Could it be that Chris intended to see how it went with Dunvegan, i.e. which side of the fence she would be on in the "hot potato" area, before she finalized the transfer despite any promises she might have made? It's no secret that FS consists of mainly JW rejects who go over there and each "Frets and struts his part upon the stage," because they were finally stopped dead in their tracks with their Fleet White bashing. I expect Chris to take the forum back. If that's the case, so long, Buddy. Even someone with the IQ of a brick could figure out who will be the first to go. lolololol Oh well. "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." And for the last time (Not to you V_P, but to those who persist in this bit of incorrect trivia) CHRIS DID NOT START JUSTICE WATCH. DAN TRAVINO DID. CHRIS TOOK IT OVER FROM HIM. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "RS" Posted by v_p on 17:05:44 9/27/2001 Banned or not, I'd race you to the door. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "v_p" Posted by Real Stormy on 17:06:48 9/27/2001 You got it, Pal. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] ARCHIVE REMOVE