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Cybersleuths has just been hacked, ayelean, 10:54:46, 10/10/2000 saw that, Ayelean, Edie Pratt, 11:00:50, 10/10/2000, (#1) SOB!, drew, 11:07:40, 10/10/2000, (#2) at this rate, Cassandra, 11:11:19, 10/10/2000, (#4) Edie Pratt....., mee too, 11:10:25, 10/10/2000, (#3) Interesting timing, Legalbeagle, 11:13:32, 10/10/2000, (#5) yeah, MeeToo, Edie Pratt, 11:29:02, 10/10/2000, (#6) "velly intel-lesting", Msracoon, 13:05:13, 10/10/2000, (#18) Those are lies, Sylvia, 11:53:58, 10/10/2000, (#7) Oh Sylvia?, drew, 12:18:35, 10/10/2000, (#10) Drew, Sylvia, 12:22:17, 10/10/2000, (#11) OooPs, Edie Pratt, 12:04:20, 10/10/2000, (#8) Eddie, Sylvia, 12:15:33, 10/10/2000, (#9) CS is back, Sailer, 12:42:19, 10/10/2000, (#14) So Sylvia, tinky, 12:39:16, 10/10/2000, (#12) tinky, Teague, 12:41:40, 10/10/2000, (#13) No, I am not claiming anythinG, Sylvia, 12:48:57, 10/10/2000, (#16) sylvia, tinky, 13:39:51, 10/10/2000, (#19) Tinky, Sylvia, 14:07:19, 10/10/2000, (#21) thanks Teague, tinky, 12:48:47, 10/10/2000, (#15) my my, drew, 12:52:59, 10/10/2000, (#17) tinky and Sylvia, Teague, 13:56:15, 10/10/2000, (#20) I Was There, Paralegal, 15:27:51, 10/10/2000, (#22) Paralegal, Sylvia, 15:43:54, 10/10/2000, (#23) Hello All, Starling, 16:39:00, 10/10/2000, (#31) Sylvia, momo, 16:00:43, 10/10/2000, (#24) Information from the US State Department, Country Girl, 16:14:24, 10/10/2000, (#26) Prairy girl try the whole article, Sylvia, 16:24:45, 10/10/2000, (#28) Momo and all other, Sylvia, 16:08:58, 10/10/2000, (#25) Sylvia , momo, 16:19:52, 10/10/2000, (#27) Cybersleuths, momo, 16:26:05, 10/10/2000, (#29) Well, , DrTee, 16:36:15, 10/10/2000, (#30) And I'm another one, Ev, 17:00:28, 10/10/2000, (#33) Sybill,, Country Girl, 16:57:39, 10/10/2000, (#32) Ev, Forgive Me, Paralegal, 17:35:17, 10/10/2000, (#34) Hmmmm, rico, 19:58:39, 10/10/2000, (#35) I'm confused, maxi, 07:14:49, 10/11/2000, (#36) Maxi, Househazard, 07:38:30, 10/11/2000, (#37) Slyvia..., shadow, 09:04:47, 10/11/2000, (#38) baloney!, digby, 09:13:13, 10/11/2000, (#39) digby..., shadow, 09:29:17, 10/11/2000, (#40) shadow/digby, China, 09:56:43, 10/11/2000, (#41) I still don't understand, maxi, 13:34:49, 10/11/2000, (#42) shhhhhh!, BearCat, 14:56:13, 10/11/2000, (#43) Shadow, ayelean, 16:38:34, 10/11/2000, (#44) Hummmm!!, shadow, 10:15:13, 10/12/2000, (#45) My dear son,, Florida, 10:45:05, 10/12/2000, (#46) Thanks for that thought, Florida, MJenn, 13:51:32, 10/12/2000, (#47) That is scary!, tinky, 20:50:01, 10/12/2000, (#48) ................................................................... "Cybersleuths has just been hacked" Posted by ayelean on 10:54:46 10/10/2000 I just went to CS with my back key and my screen was set on one of the open threads, it might have been the 'daily' thread, and skydog had posted that the forum has been hacked and they got the menu page of the forums. He has the information of the one that hacked it and asked if there is a lawyer present. Then I did a stupid thing, inadvertently I hit my back key again, and went to a screen that he was talking about, DUH, that has everything but the menu of the threads for the JBR forum. Are we still wondering what the Ramsey's are upto??????? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "saw that, Ayelean" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:00:50 10/10/2000 the Ramsey's? You think? Well, they can't hack my brain, lol, and I will continue to believe they killed JonBenet. I'll continue to tell everyone and anyone that'll listen:-) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "SOB!" Posted by drew on 11:07:40 10/10/2000 I knew this was gonna happen.....thanks for the info ayelean....I was wondering what happened. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "at this rate" Posted by Cassandra on 11:11:19 10/10/2000 the only forum standing will be the swamp. whoever is doing this is blocking justice. cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Edie Pratt....." Posted by mee too on 11:10:25 10/10/2000 Yep....they can continue hacking forums....However they WON"T Silence us...... ...(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Interesting timing" Posted by Legalbeagle on 11:13:32 10/10/2000 Just when everyone re-assessed their theories and posted them. I think we must be getting closer to the truth. Ramseys--this won't silence us--it will just make us more determined. legalbeagle. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "yeah, MeeToo" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:29:02 10/10/2000 what are they going to do next? Go door to door with a stungun, and silence us all? Boy, idle hands are the Devil's workshop, huh? Maybe JR's time would be better spent doing what Marc Klaas does, helping other victims. "We don't have television or computers", my eye. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. ""velly intel-lesting"" Posted by Msracoon on 13:05:13 10/10/2000 Reminds me of the old BNF days and that other one - what was the name of the other one we shared in that "fell down and go boom"? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Those are lies" Posted by Sylvia on 11:53:58 10/10/2000 The forum wasn't hacked, first of all there is a mistake in the board, second it went down, because it was spreading vicious lies about children being allowed to be abused in the Netherlands, according to them it was legal. And that is what is going on. Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Oh Sylvia?" Posted by drew on 12:18:35 10/10/2000 where did you get this information? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Drew" Posted by Sylvia on 12:22:17 10/10/2000 It was already known that there were error in the board, they were looking for another board. And read my answer to Eddie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "OooPs" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:04:20 10/10/2000 thanks Sylvia, I guess I have to take back the thing I said about the R's going door to door to wipe us out. Thanks for the clarification. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "Eddie" Posted by Sylvia on 12:18:26 10/10/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:18:26, 10/10/2000 I couldn't let the childern in my country down and let idiots think that they can do anything to children in my country. Those lies were endangering our children. So I posted those lies on my website, with the truth and the adresses where the information can be confirmed. Immidiately after that CS went down. Edited to add: I already informed Chris about it yesterday to make sure JW would not be involved in those dirty lies. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "CS is back" Posted by Sailer on 12:42:19 10/10/2000 online... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "So Sylvia" Posted by tinky on 12:39:16 10/10/2000 you are saying skydog is lying???? I am sorry, but there is no way he is lying. Also, I do not understand what you are saying. Are you taking credit for the forum going down???? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "tinky" Posted by Teague on 12:41:40 10/10/2000 I've been sitting here scratching my head with the same questions you just asked. Sylvia, are you saying someone official (FBI, or whatever) took down CS? That you know who did it? That you did it? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "No, I am not claiming anythinG" Posted by Sylvia on 12:48:57 10/10/2000 Iwas long known that there were error in the ubb board. Further more I informed no one, just stated the truth on my website. I don't take down any forums, nor will I ever do such a thing. Except if and when such lies are being spread yes I do take action, I print it on my website, with name and dates. No, normally I do not copy any post, but I'll be damned if I let them bring children in my country in danger, because of some ignorant stupid assholes. You, Americans want justice for your children, well so do us Dutch. I do not insult your country by saying hey, you can fuck any child between 12 and 16 if you want too, so I expect the same from the American. And yes I am pissed! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "sylvia" Posted by tinky on 13:39:51 10/10/2000 If what you are saying is true, I don't blame you for being upset, however, on one line you say there was an error(insinuating Skydog is lying IMO), and on your next, you claim as soon as you posted this information on your website, CS was gone(Now to me, that sounds like someone "hacked" the board). I know you are upset, but your post is confusing at best. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Tinky" Posted by Sylvia on 14:07:19 10/10/2000 Check with the UBB board distributor, their is some error in that board that somehow seems to delete posts. Yet, they have been claiming for weeks if not months that John Ramsey was hacking their forum, now do honestly think that he would do such things? And yes what I am saying is true. That is what was said on cs, children in my country between 12 and 16 could have sex as long as they don't complain. I received many apologies from people who post at cs, who are as disgusted as I am. However I cann't let this go by. I informed them by mail that I was going to post it on my website. Do you honestly think anyone want to hack forums? It is also told there about others that forums were hacked, I suggest you ask Chris about it. Those were dirty lies as well and I kept well away from that as I don't want anything to do with those kind of lies. The post are open on my website with date and names, so you can check it very easily. Also I posted the addresses of the police headquarters in the Netherland and the Department of Justice sothat if you want you can check our laws on child protection. I am furious, insulted beyond believe. They make comments on Chris deleting insulting post, well hell, I prefer to see post like that deleted instead of letting everyone say whatever they want. There has to be some truth in post, if not yes they should be deleted and those posters should be banned, the opposite is happening at cs You do not have any idea how hurt I am by all of this. Would you like it if that was said about American children, I don't think so! I think you would be just as sad and angry as I am. In fact I do hope Chris will put up the JonBenét pages real soon, I for one am missing them. Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "thanks Teague" Posted by tinky on 12:48:47 10/10/2000 I thought I was the only one who was in the dark. Maybe Sylvia will elaborte a bit more on what she is saying. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "my my" Posted by drew on 12:52:59 10/10/2000 tinky, I think she just did....wow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "tinky and Sylvia" Posted by Teague on 13:56:15 10/10/2000 Nope, tinky, you're not alone. Join me in this dark corner, okay? Sylvia, thanks for the response. This particular American doesn't differentiate what's right and moral for children based on nationality. In fact, I hadn't ever opened that Amsterdam thread, so I don't know what went on there. Still not sure what link you're drawing between posts which upset you and the brief demise of CS, though. Peace. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "I Was There" Posted by Paralegal on 15:27:51 10/10/2000 Sylvia, please calm down. I was there when all that nonsense was going on over at CS. We were attempting to rehash and take a fresh look at the porno ring claims made by Singular in The Amsterdam Connection thread. Candy and BobC started bashing and slamming everyone, including Singular, rather than staying focused on the topic at hand. Sylvia was kind enough to research her country's databases in an attempt to find info on Kelvin McNeill's accidental death. From there the topic became a horrid flame session on laws in Sylvia's country regarding age of consent. I just disappeared for a few days, came back online this morning with some info requested by serious posters and the flame war is starting all over again by, you guessed it, Candy and BobC. Sylvia, no decent, civilized, sane person is attacking your country or their wonderful children. It might surprise you to know that some states here in the U.S. (Arkansas for one) have statutes that allow consentual sex with females as young as 14! There are "weirdnesses" all over the world, but I do not believe anyone at CS who has a solid rep was trying to misrepresent your country's laws. As for those whose reality has slipped, I cannot explain nor do I apologize for! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Paralegal" Posted by Sylvia on 15:43:54 10/10/2000 You know that isn't what happened, nor Candy nor Bob made any trouble. No one slandered anyone but those idiots named Bortz and Robin did. So don't try to blame it on Bob or Candy, you don't even know what was written there. So don't try to pull this stunt on me. I read it, I was there, you weren't that is the fact, I posted all laws in my country protecting children. Yet they went on saying children of 12 years old could be sexually abused, it was even said the age was being brought down to 10 years old, so no I won't calm down. And do not try to blame others, who were as disgusted by those lies as I am. For anyone who doubts see at what was said at: http://www.lepassagenouveau.com/jonbenet/vicious_lies.htm At least I feel responsible for protecting children against that kind of dirt. What you think is your business, not mine! Sylvia [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Hello All" Posted by Starling on 16:39:00 10/10/2000 No one can't stop people from posting speculative theories. That is what these boards are based on. I've read that thread in it's entirety at CS and even Skydog himself, actually locked that thread, in an attempt to tame the tempers. Now some people would call that cencorship here (in the U.S.), but some people look at it that it was "his right" to try to defuse the situation. Where you stand on the matter is a personal preference. There is always going to be situations, which arise, where someone speculates on something and then someone will come along that is going to want that speculative situation backed up with either some form of documentation or facts. This is exactly what happened at CS. Bortz posted his "speculative theory" and the poster Candy said it didn't jive with known "facts." Over a hundred posts later, the same poster "Candy" attempted to provide proof that a sex ring, somehow involving JBR has already been looked into "twice" by posting a quote by the BPD that stated, in fact a sex ring has been looked into twice and nothing was found. But actually Candy just put herself in the sea of speculation, right along side the greatest ones. She can not provide documentation, to support her own notion, that one of the two times the "BPD" investigated the claim of a sex ring, according to that press release - had anything to do with an Amsterdam investigation. All that is known for a "fact" is that the second time it was investigated had to do with the "MW." The first time is an unknown. A more probable scenerio for the first time would be what Singular alluded to in his JBR case book. We all know the line, without getting my Singular book out. Singular wanted to look into this angle, Hunter said he wasn't authorized to and then Singular found a man in jail willing to talk, took the info to Hunter and whatever happened after that, remains unknown. An Amsterdam/AG connection, in all actuality would only be conducted by the Feds. Reading into that BPD press release, something that is not there is speculation at it's finest. I do not understand why anyone has to make their point on this thread, by calling others names and using the 'f' word. It's uncalled for. Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Sylvia" Posted by momo on 16:00:43 10/10/2000 You've called any JW's that have gone over and caused trouble at CS names and asked us to respect the rules and the forum. You're really supposed to mispell curse words. There is a rule about that here as there is at CS. Please don't bring your name calling and such over here. We understand your anger but you have made it a point to say alot of things about JW lately and we would appreciate your respect. The 'F' word is definetely off limits. We've just started to get civilized over here. Please don't let what happened over at CS ruin the good thing we've got going. You've made mention many times of the same exact thing happening at CS when we go there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Information from the US State Department" Posted by Country Girl on 16:14:24 10/10/2000 http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/1997_hrp_report/netherla.html Exerpt: Children The Government works to ensure the well-being of children through numerous well-funded health, education, and public information programs. The Council for the Protection of Children, operated through the Ministry of Justice, enforces child support orders, investigates cases of child abuse, and recommends remedies ranging from counseling to withdrawal of parental rights. In addition, the Government has set up a popular hot line for children and a network of pediatricians who track suspected cases of child abuse on a confidential basis. There is no societal pattern of abuse of children. International sex tourism involving abuse of minor children is prosecutable under the law. Since 1996 three Dutchmen have been tried and convicted for abuse of minors in the Philippines and Thailand respectively. The maximum penalty for child pornography was raised from 3 months' to 4 years' imprisonment, 6 years in the event of financial gain, and the maximum fine was more than tripled. New legislation allows for provisional arrest, house searches, and criminal financial investigations. Moreover, the authorities no longer must prove that a person possesses child pornography for the purpose of distribution or public display. The possession of pictures of sexual behavior with minors itself will be sufficient cause for prosecution. The age of consent is 16. Prosecution of adults for sex with minors between the ages of 12 and 16 only occurs upon the filing of a complaint by an interested party. I believe this is where the information came from along with other web sites that list the age of consent as 12/16. Sylvia, I understand your passion at defending your country and children. It is admirable. I don't believe the posts at CS were trying to put children at risk. The information out there on the net is 12/16 from all the searches I made, the one above is only an example and as you can see it came from the State Department. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Prairy girl try the whole article" Posted by Sylvia on 16:24:45 10/10/2000 International sex tourism involving abuse of minor children is prosecutable under the law. Since 1996 three Dutchmen have been tried and convicted for abuse of minors in the Philippines and Thailand respectively. That is why the Dutch authorities need an complaint as it happens within the Philippines and Thailand, and those Dutch scumbags were sentenced. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Momo and all other" Posted by Sylvia on 16:08:58 10/10/2000 Is that your worst concern, that in my anger I curced, nice. I would be more concerned about the wellfare of children. But I make it up, just mail Chris, so she can ban me for using that word in my anger and disgust. But I do think that Chris will be decent enough to understand my anger and pain. Sure worry about how decent you all are, sure it's okay to drag children through the dirt. I'll even safe you the trouble and mail Chris myself [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Sylvia " Posted by momo on 16:19:52 10/10/2000 I dont believe I even posted on the Amsterdam thread. Don't get paranoid. I'm not telling anybody about the curse words. I wasn't worried about it, I was just trying to get you to see that what you've said about JW's bringing their crap over to CS on many occasions. You're doing the same thing. I had to defend myself at CS recently because of some things that were said and it was just as important and hurtful as how you feel. Yet you made it a point to say something about it and add to the problem. Just getting you to see that you're doing the same thing, that's all. I got pretty tired of some of what you were saying to me, and yes, you directed several posts to me, Sylvia. In a nutshell, you're accusing some of us of doing the same thing you are doing right now. Please, I know you are upset, but 99% of us weren't even a part of that thread. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Cybersleuths" Posted by momo on 16:26:05 10/10/2000 seems to be back up now. The Amsterdam thread is also still up, just in case anyone was wondering. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Well, " Posted by DrTee on 16:36:15 10/10/2000 Prairie Girl, I guess she told you, lol Prairie Girl--that's what I'm calling you from now on--see ya in chat [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "And I'm another one" Posted by Ev on 17:00:28 10/10/2000 on this forum who is getting sick of reading the CS stuff brought over here. Who cares? I for one go over there about once every two or three months to see what's going on, but I'm not registered and most of the time I'm sorry I wasted my time. Oh, I know that when JW is down, everyone goes racing over there for a place to vent, but right now this forum is open and it seems to me if there needs to be complaints about what is said over there, then for Heaven's sake, say it there where it belongs. Most of us here haven't the slightest idea what some of you are talking about! And most of the time, it's not even case related. There, I've said my piece whether or not anyone else agrees with me, so carry on! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Sybill," Posted by Country Girl on 16:57:39 10/10/2000 I posted that part. Cordially, Prairie Girl [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Ev, Forgive Me" Posted by Paralegal on 17:35:17 10/10/2000 I'm not trying to bring CS doo-doo over here, just trying to help allay Sylvia's traumatic reaction to those malicious posts. Apparently I'm not really good at comforting upset people (well, maybe that's why I ended up in law-lol; we're not known for being the world's warmest, fuzziest people!)It's funny, but some of the worst offenders at CS are former JW members who were banned for stuff like this... FYI henceforth, when I post information, it is NOT to try to manipulate or demand that others see things my way, only to inform with respect enough to let others formulate their own opinions. It has always been my protocol to document any statements of facts I post or indicate an opinion if such. I also expect even dissenting opinions to be expressed with common courtesy. It is very possible to disagree with someone's opinions and still have respect for that person. As for me,I will continue along those lines. Oh and Ev, the Amsterdam Connection thread and it's related counterparts ARE part of the Ramsey case. Especially we were TRYING to ascertain IF Kelvin McNeill's tragic death in Amsterdam has anything hinky to do with the case (he was THE City of Boulder and BPD spokesperson on the case before he died) or if it was just coincidence. But the minute anything even barely mentioned about kiddie porn or Stephen Singular comes up, all doo-doo does break loose with accusations of MW again...As for anything else going on at CS, I cannot comment from any enlightened position! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Hmmmm" Posted by rico on 19:58:39 10/10/2000 I don't know anything about hacking at CS...but I did see someone open the gate to let a Trojan Horse in. Sylvia, I did not post on the Amsterdam thread; never really had time to read "Borsch's" strange and lengthy theory but I am sorry for the distress this caused you. Hope you will put it in the larger perspective of all the craziness that happens on the forums. Best Wishes! JfJBR rico [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "I'm confused" Posted by maxi on 07:14:49 10/11/2000 Were the Dutchmen prosecuted in the Netherlands or in the Phillipines and Thailand? How could the Dutch govt prosecute someone for what happened in another country? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Maxi" Posted by Househazard on 07:38:30 10/11/2000 I think what they are saying is: If you commit a crime in a country where it may not necessarily be a crime, if it is a crime in YOUR country, you are going to be prosecuted in your country. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Slyvia..." Posted by shadow on 09:04:47 10/11/2000 It is indeed unfortunate that most of us Americans know very little about the rest of the world... For example, one of my cousins in North Carolina (a member of the NRA) told me recently that Canada's crime rate has "tripled recently because they have gun control laws." When I asked him why they tripled recently since they've had these laws for many years, he had no answer. Also, the Netherlands and Scandinavian countries drug and sex laws are not as "draconian" as ours and they make a real effort to take care of the young, old and poor in their countries. This has resulted in the Right Wing in this country filling the air with misinformation for many years about people in these countries dying in the streets with needles in their arms, having wild sex orgies, and people killing themselves because their taxes are so high. IMHO, the "speculating" taking place on CS has more to do with this lack of knowledge than it does a desire to libel people from other countries. shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "baloney!" Posted by digby on 09:13:13 10/11/2000 >For example, one of my cousins in >North Carolina (a member of the >NRA) told me recently that Canada's >crime rate has "tripled recently because >they have gun control laws." When >I asked him why they tripled >recently since they've had these laws >for many years, he had no >answer. This must be NRA propoganda purely to justify their position regarding gun control. Crime rate here (Canada) has not tripled, nor have we yet instuted our new upcoming gun control laws. We are just now in the process of registering fire arms owners, and haven't really even begun registering the actual fire arms. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "digby..." Posted by shadow on 09:29:17 10/11/2000 You just made my point! Us Americans know very little about the "stuff" we say about other countries! Think maybe my cousin got his information from Charlton Heston? shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "shadow/digby" Posted by China on 09:56:43 10/11/2000 Ben Hur wouldn't mislead us would he? heh [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "I still don't understand" Posted by maxi on 13:34:49 10/11/2000 how the Netherlands could have jurisdiction over crimes committed in another country. That is as if Americans could be prosecuted for smoking dope in Amsterdam when they came back home. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "shhhhhh!" Posted by BearCat on 14:56:13 10/11/2000 maxi, don't give the right wing any ideas. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Shadow" Posted by ayelean on 16:45:42 10/11/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 16:45:42, 10/11/2000 It's funny you posted that about NRA, I just got a forward email thingy about the very same thing happening in Austrailia. I discarded it because it looked like so much NRA propaganda. It may still be in my discards, I'll go there and look it up, if it is still there, I'll post it and let our Aussie friends chew on it and give us their take. Edited to add this article. Please note, I am not promoting this, I am posting it only for information and critiqueing by our Aussies. Subject: Are we next? Some interesting figures on the recent Australian experience on gun control. Subject: Aussie GI Response and Gun Control Thought this was interesting information. This came from Liz in Australia "Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!) In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned guns in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!) While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information. The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note Americans, before it's too late!" "PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Hummmm!!" Posted by shadow on 10:15:13 10/12/2000 I never realized that Australia is inhabited by so many vicious, murderous people - most certainly the government should give everyone their guns back to end the unbelievable crime spree going on over there! Let's see now... if we give all non-criminals in the world AK-47s, we could reduce crime world-wide. Maybe we could totally eliminate crime if we give them heat-seeking missiles? shadow [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "My dear son," Posted by Florida on 10:45:05 10/12/2000 who knows how I detest the NRA and their scare tactic propaganda, signed me up as a member for one of my "gifts" on my last birthday. At first I was going to cancel the subscription but decided not to so I could get a real feeling for what kind of information they send out. Not a week goes by that I don't get some kind of malicious garbage from them. They are masters of fear propaganda. But...I do have a nice picture of Moses Heston holding the gun above his head at the NRA convention. I drew a big red international NO on it and stuck it on my refrigerator. Don't forget the NRA spokesperson who said if Dubya wins we "will be in the White House". [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Thanks for that thought, Florida" Posted by MJenn on 13:51:32 10/12/2000 Now my pre-Halloween heebie jeebies are complete. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "That is scary!" Posted by tinky on 20:50:01 10/12/2000 However voting for Pinocchio is as bad as far as I am concerned. Decisions...decisions. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]