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Kim Ballard, stu, 11:55:53, 11/17/2000 Stu, Edie Pratt, 12:38:04, 11/17/2000, (#1) Kim Ballard..., Nedthan Johns, 13:23:02, 11/17/2000, (#2) New York Lawyer....., Mee Too, 13:39:25, 11/17/2000, (#3) To kim Ballard...., Mee Too, 13:50:42, 11/17/2000, (#5) why, Edie Pratt, 13:41:58, 11/17/2000, (#4) Cutter....., Mee Too, 02:17:38, 11/18/2000, (#6) John's affairs, rachel, 06:25:24, 11/18/2000, (#7) Kim Ballard, docg, 23:19:45, 11/18/2000, (#8) An affair or a job?, RiverRat, 08:22:45, 11/19/2000, (#9) Ballard, guardian, 11:20:13, 11/19/2000, (#11) John Ramseys behavior, Franky Vee, 10:19:53, 11/19/2000, (#10) is she the same person, Edie Pratt, 11:31:15, 11/19/2000, (#12) Edie,, guardian, 12:39:09, 11/19/2000, (#16) if so, Guardian, Edie Pratt, 12:43:28, 11/19/2000, (#18) Edie,, guardian, 12:19:55, 11/19/2000, (#14) Hi, Guardian!, Edie Pratt, 12:29:02, 11/19/2000, (#15) Something is fishy,, guardian, 12:57:57, 11/19/2000, (#20) Guardian, Edie Pratt, 13:39:37, 11/19/2000, (#23) Oh yeah, one more thing, Edie Pratt, 11:48:15, 11/19/2000, (#13) At any rate..., darby, 12:44:31, 11/19/2000, (#19) no shortage of liars, Edie Pratt, 12:58:46, 11/19/2000, (#21) sorry, Guardian, Edie Pratt, 12:39:31, 11/19/2000, (#17) Sea-Tac pic/s, Mee Too, 13:23:52, 11/19/2000, (#22) Wish we knew more, too, janphi, 13:47:25, 11/19/2000, (#24) Jodie Roberts, rachel, 14:27:46, 11/19/2000, (#25) I remember it like you do, Rachel, Edie Pratt, 14:40:34, 11/19/2000, (#26) Edie......, Mee Too, 03:15:09, 11/20/2000, (#28) come on all, pie, 21:07:53, 11/19/2000, (#27) Pie?, Edie Pratt, 16:24:44, 11/20/2000, (#31) It's possible......, stu, 12:30:04, 11/20/2000, (#30) stu, pie, 21:57:56, 11/20/2000, (#35) Kim Ballard, Shy, 10:41:45, 11/20/2000, (#29) NYL, lewis, 20:34:49, 11/20/2000, (#32) Lewis,, guardian, 20:47:03, 11/20/2000, (#33) as in, pinky5, 21:39:28, 11/20/2000, (#34) Absolute insanity, guardian, 23:39:48, 11/20/2000, (#36) Oh yeah,, guardian, 00:22:33, 11/21/2000, (#37) Hi Guardian....., Mee Too, 05:11:31, 11/21/2000, (#38) Mee too, guardian, 09:37:04, 11/21/2000, (#41) How did she get John's Phone Number?, Sabrina, 06:48:47, 11/21/2000, (#39) Excellent question, Sabrina!, Edie Pratt, 10:38:11, 11/21/2000, (#42) Hmmm, let's see..., janphi, 13:47:57, 11/21/2000, (#43) I think this thread is facinating..., Dr. Who, 07:16:59, 11/21/2000, (#40) Wait a minute, Sabrina, 14:53:30, 11/21/2000, (#44) Code-6, guardian, 17:09:11, 11/21/2000, (#45) constitution, Edie Pratt, 10:24:58, 11/22/2000, (#46) ................................................................... "Kim Ballard" Posted by stu on 11:55:53 11/17/2000 How come nobody over here is discussing Kim Ballard ( reputedly and ex lover of JR ) showing up to discuss things at another forum? She is saying some pretty incriminating stuff. Stu [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Stu" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:38:04 11/17/2000 Huh? Really? Incriminating how? Is it really her, or is it a swampthing immitating KB? I have always wanted to discuss her and her mysterious arrival/disappearance from this case. If our president can't even hide his pecadillos, how come JR can? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Kim Ballard..." Posted by Nedthan Johns on 13:23:02 11/17/2000 Actually I have been following that thread over there, and basically she has said nothing. I think she is a fraud, if you ask me. She certainly has not been straight forward concerning the questions she was asked, and dodged most of them. She is a waste of time. And a nobody who wants to become a somebody. She even stated she didn't know how to contact the Ramsey's. Certainly everyone who knows this case knows how easy it is to contact them either through their web site or by simply calling the BPD or GPD. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "New York Lawyer....." Posted by Mee Too on 13:39:25 11/17/2000 Aka/Darnay.....Is the Kim Ballard that is posting and reportedly contacted you. "THE" Kim Ballard AS in I had an affair with John Ramsey....have you verified her ID..... P.S.Congrats on your forum buy ....Thanks...Mee [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "To kim Ballard...." Posted by Mee Too on 13:50:42 11/17/2000 aka/JW hat?...We have a poster who had info sometime ago possibly pertaining to JonBenet's murder? Are you this poster? I will not post your hat...I wonder however IF you are she...Why you would go to other forums and not post your story here at Justice Watch... Color me curious..... Respectfully....(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "why" Posted by Edie Pratt on 13:41:58 11/17/2000 all of a sudden? Where was she when we needed her? And, who's to say it's really her? The woman wouldn't come out of her house to talk with police, why after 4 yrs does she want to talk to cyberspace? This makes no sense. I haven't read over there, but I wonder how she's being recieved. Afterall, she is a tramp, if what was reported is true. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Cutter....." Posted by Mee Too on 02:17:38 11/18/2000 Re: your post #6 at Zekes forum....(Thread..Ballard confirms affair) I wanted to reply...however I do not post over there....(not enough time) What this is leading to ...IMHO is...If John Ramsey lied about knowing/meeting or having any type of contact with Kimberely Ballard..What else would he lie about...... If Patsy Ramsey knew about JR's affair /meeting or knowing Kimberely Ballard..and lied..What else would Patsy Ramsey lie about......(Patsy may have forgiven JR...however if it happened I hope it can be proven) No I don't believe just because a man has an affair with a young blonde means he molested or killed his daughter..However if he lied about the affair....Then I have to wonder what else he would lie about ......(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "John's affairs" Posted by rachel on 05:47:18 11/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 05:47:18, 11/19/2000 Along with the lying part, (if Kim Ballard and John had an affair) there is something else. By having an affair, John shows he doesn't respect that sex is for the marriage bed. That is, he wouldn't mind satisfying his need some place other than his wife. I'm not too sure but what his affair during his first marriage signifies this. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Kim Ballard" Posted by docg on 23:19:45 11/18/2000 is the ONLY thing CLOSE to a witness that we have in this case. The allegations she originally made are VERY serious. NOT because they tell us John had an affair (we already know he's capable of that). But because they have some bearing on John's credibility. AND they suggest a reason for the bizarre manner in which Patsy dressed and made-up JonBenet. Ballard's alleged reappearance on the Internet is therefore of great interest to those seriously involved with this case. IMO Jameson is WAY out of her depth on this. She's allowed herself to be used by someone who may well not have her own interests at heart. To her credit, though, she has been pursuing this relentlessly, NOT trying to soft pedal it. Ballard has denied an affair with John. But at the same time, she has stood by her phone conversation with Geraldo, in which she described just such an affair. She is clearly NOT telling the whole truth at this time. But she may well have been telling the truth initially. Was she bought off? Was she scared off? Possibly yes. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "An affair or a job?" Posted by RiverRat on 08:22:45 11/19/2000 It sounds like she was a "working girl" at the time, maybe if it were legal she would be able to open up more about the time she spent with John Ramsey. It sounds like it was a very one-sided relationship or does anyone think that maybe John dressed up for her? Too sick to think about. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Ballard" Posted by guardian on 11:20:13 11/19/2000 I have followed this case from the beginning. I have always tried to post responsibly. By that I mean I post facts as facts, rumors as rumors, and my opinions as IMH. I researched people involved in the case, beginning in early 1997. Alex Hunter, Roy Romer, and Tom Koby being among them. As far as Ballard goes, "working girl" hardly accurately describes her. I found out the address of the house she grew up in. It is in an affluent neighborhood. She has a college degree, and worked in a respectable profession prior to the birth of a child. I'm not posting details, such as family names, or positions held by them. People have a right to privacy, and I don't see any relevance her family has to the case. If you are just curious, you can find out the information the same way I did. There is one thing I found of interest. There are many similarities between John Ramsey and Ballard's father. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "John Ramseys behavior" Posted by Franky Vee on 10:19:53 11/19/2000 For anyone to suggest that having an affair portrays John as a child molester or killer is a far reach - in my opinion. However, I do believe he and Patsy both have more information than they care to reveal. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Franky Vee ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "is she the same person" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:31:15 11/19/2000 ST "protected" in his book? Is KB Jodie? I'm having a big problem with this whole thing. I mean, what kind of person runs an ad in USA today, and jumps into bed with the first responder of that ad? Is she a prostitute? I would really love to see a copy of that ad, if KB is really who she says she is, because the entire premise is nuts, IMHO. Have they not heard of AIDS? As far as their relationship goes, and the tie in with JB, I think MsB was trying to make the point that she looked just like JonBenet when she met Old Creepy, and I wonder if he didn't mention that to her. You know, "you look just like my little girl", if you can stomach that! Is KB the "blonde bitch down the street"? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Edie," Posted by guardian on 12:39:09 11/19/2000 Is >KB the "blonde bitch down the >street"? I've wondered about that too. I think there is a chance they are the same person. The reason I say that is someone close to Patsy said that she had confided, " I know about KB, but I forgave John due to the timing of the relationship." You know how I feel about gossip, but that was said. FWIW. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "if so, Guardian" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:43:28 11/19/2000 then why would ST call her Jodie Roberts instead of KB, when the whole world had already heard from MsB? ST reports that JR called her a stalker, or Jodie Roberts a stalker, yet JR denies ever meeting "this Kimberly person". I'm wondering how many petite blonde bitches he had, and why the hell didn't he marry a blonde if he's so crazy about them, lol? And, where have we heard "stalker" before, hmmmm? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Edie," Posted by guardian on 12:19:55 11/19/2000 I mean, >what kind of person runs an >ad in USA today, and jumps >into bed with the first responder >of that ad? Where did you read or hear that? I would like to know, because I try to keep all information on this case factual. There is enough gossip already. I don't want to have to sift through any more, only to find it never existed in the first place. Thanks, Guardian I'm praying for justice for JonBenet. I feel this is not what people want to hear, but I don't think we will see it in our lifetimes. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Hi, Guardian!" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:29:02 11/19/2000 well, let's see. I seem to recall MsB stating on Geraldo, that she ran an ad in USA Today, and that Old Creepy answered that ad. She never said she met him before that, so I am left with believing this is how they met. Given that info, do you not find it reckless, at the very least? And, if it was MsB that solicited a man, what is going on there? She said she was different to look at then, implying she was a "hottie", so why would such a young dish need to advertise, unless she was a prostitute? See? Something's fishy in Denmark, no? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Something is fishy," Posted by guardian on 12:57:57 11/19/2000 alright. But, I think this is all so deep we will never know the truth. Like I said, I researched Ballard, among others. She is related to some very influential people. I think it was them who reigned her in promptly. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Guardian" Posted by Edie Pratt on 13:39:37 11/19/2000 are her people more influential than JR? I wouldn't be surprised that her family reigned her in, truth telling or no, as it's not very classy to do what she claims she did. And, who let her out of her cage this time, if it was family that shut her up? You say she's a college grad, do you know if she had a mental problem documented somewhere? Is she the family nut? Or, are these people nouveau riche like the Ramseys? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Oh yeah, one more thing" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:48:15 11/19/2000 why is "Kim Ballard" posting at the other forum? Why didn't NYL direct her this way? Whos side is NYL on, anyway? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "At any rate..." Posted by darby on 12:46:42 11/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:46:42, 11/19/2000 If the person posting is indeed the real Kimberly Ballard, we may as well forget about her. It's hard enough to know whether someone in this case has told the truth. In Ms. Ballard's case, she told Geraldo that she had had an affair with John, and now she has posted that she never did. Both cannot be true, so now we know she's a documented liar. Even if she had had a kinky affair with John, we'll never be able to believe her again. So unless someone has proof that she was paid off or Ballard herself can prove that she knows something especially hinky and provable about John as a starting point for further interest--such as revealing that he has a tattoo of Alice in Wonderland on his butt (for instance)--we may as well forget about Kimberly Ballard. Too bad. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "no shortage of liars" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:58:46 11/19/2000 in this case, that's for sure. I do find it intriguing that all of a sudden MsB appears after all this time, and claims she wants to talk to Patsy, no less! If Guardian is correct, and MsB's family is wealthy, then how come JR didn't sue her for her initial accusations? She came out around the time he was whimpering about innuendo, so why not nip it in the bud starting with her? He did say he was out for money, wanted to sue everybody that had any, so wouldn't she have been the sure thing if she was a liar? I don't buy the story of how they met, and I think there's waaaay more to it than we will ever know. Afterall, when we were 23 or 24, there were no shortages of men, rich or not. If you were a looker, as she says she was, all you had to do was smile and you'd have a date. I'm sure there were bars where she lived that watered many a businessman's hole, she need only belly up. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "sorry, Guardian" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:39:31 11/19/2000 I do not know if she jumped in bed with the FIRST man to answer her ad, if that's what you mean? It didn't sound like she knew him very well, so I guess they had sex without familiarity, which is what I based my assumption on. She may very well have waited for a second, third or fourth respondant, before letting it all hang out. Mea Culpa. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Sea-Tac pic/s" Posted by Mee Too on 13:23:52 11/19/2000 I find the timing interesting...Kimberly Ballard wants to contact Patsy after it was posted here at Justice Watch there are reported/rumor? pics. of a blonde/Ms. Ballard? taken at the SeaTac airport with John Ramsey?..... Is someone trying to discredit the REAL Kimberly Ballard if she does indeed have pic/s.of she and JR.....(by posting at Jamsons) or did KB want to contact Patsy (via Darnay Hoffman via Jameson)perhaps giving Patsy the opportunity to come clean before she turns the pics. over to the proper authoritiy...JMO .....(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Wish we knew more, too" Posted by janphi on 13:47:25 11/19/2000 In thinking about the timing of ANYONE named Kim(berly) Ballard coming forward on that forum about now, my first reaction was that the Rams must be getting closer to some kind of court appearance against the Globe--noting that the recent Lewis/Globe suit had been in process in JeffCo. Appears they had put "somebody" up to coming on that forum to lay some groundwork as to how the Globe twists people's words to show Ram guilt. Don't know the status of any of their Globe suits right now, however. Second thought on timing was after checking my very scant notes on KB. I was not following this case or even on the 'Net yet when all that came about, so everyone here is definitely one up on me there. Nor do I have any paid info on KB or the benefit of the many forum postings from long ago about her. (Thanks from me to all who are sharing here what they know today!) What I did wonder was if the KB I found out a little bit about was one and the same. I have no idea what her maiden name was or what part of the South she was from (it wasn't Texas) or what her husband's name is. But the one I found was going through a divorce beginning last year; had lots of different property movements and conveyances during all the critical time periods pertinent; no longer lives in Tucson, but in the same state; may have an affinity for rural life; does have a child, as the KB "over there" confirmed; and perhaps most importantly, has been court ordered into some parenting classes in the past few months. This "coming clean" pretense may have a whole lot to do with a custody battle. Would love some more input to help figure this out. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Jodie Roberts" Posted by rachel on 14:28:22 11/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:28:22, 11/19/2000 I recall reading in ST's book that Jodie Roberts is a name he (Steve) gave to the lady from John's FIRST affair, while he was married to Lucinda. That's the lady John likened to the gal in Fatal Attraction. I think Judith Philips lived just down the street from John and Patsy; maybe SHE's the blond bitch? Not that I think she is, but that Patsy thinks she is.... I also remember on some talk show that John claimed he didn't know her, yet went on to say she'd left messages on their answering machine. Does anybody else remember that? Anyhow, I can see why KB wouldn't try to reach PR directly. I doubt that PR or JR would let KB anywhere within shouting distance of PR. The question remains, why would she want to reach Patsy? If KB has a child, is it old enough to perhaps be John's? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "I remember it like you do, Rachel" Posted by Edie Pratt on 14:40:34 11/19/2000 about JR saying she left messages, because he had such an amusing time retelling it in his crockumentary. They both heh hehed all over the place, tho it really wasn't the least bit funny. What is funny, is how angry JR could get at a man trying to take his picture, yet dignifies some supposed liar's accusations by elaborating and excusing and explaining like an unfaithful husband often does! Hmmm, me thinks doth protest.. I have no idea about KB's child, but I have to wonder about her husband, and how she had the balls to disgrace him by going on national tv to share what seems to me, unsharable. Paula Jones' husband basically made her follow thru with the suit, just to clear her good name. No man wants the world to know his wife was loose, even if it was before their marriage. Or, am I in the Stone Age? Last I checked, men were still men, and the double standard was well in place. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "Edie......" Posted by Mee Too on 03:18:13 11/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 03:18:13, 11/20/2000 >about JR saying she left messages, because >he had such an amusing time >retelling it in his crockumentary. They >both heh hehed all over the >place, tho it really wasn't the >least bit funny. What is funny, >is how angry JR could get >at a man trying to take >his picture, I sure as heck didn't understand what was so funny either....Didn't Patsy also mention wearing a blonde wig as a disguise (sp?)...And they both laughed that one up too...? Somewhere along the line I misssed the joke..... Plus JR mentioning Kimberly Ballard in DOI.....WHY would he bring her up if there was nothing to their meeting...? Hmmmm...Me thinks something is very fishy......The Ramers didn't throw Kimberly under the bus.....(an insane stalker...part of the foreign faction) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "come on all" Posted by pie on 21:07:53 11/19/2000 Kim Ballard = The Charlevoix housekeeper. The Charlevoix housekeeper = Jameson. That's all we need to know. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "Pie?" Posted by Edie Pratt on 16:24:44 11/20/2000 are you being faceious, or are you saying Jameson is/was REALLY the housekeeper at Charlevoix? Or, by "housekeeper", do you mean she's "keeping house" so to speak by running her silly forum on behalf of the Ramsey's? I don't get it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "It's possible......" Posted by stu on 12:30:04 11/20/2000 The more I read it, Pie, the more it seems your cynical remark could be possible. There are a lot of strange threads on that forum, man.......its weird. Stu [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "stu" Posted by pie on 21:57:56 11/20/2000 I just think it's funny that the ChHK and KB and Jams all have the same problems concerning writing proper English, and that they seem so "trained" in posting on internet forums. It's easy to detect a newbie on the net. The only thing I don't get about it is the NYL connection. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Kim Ballard" Posted by Shy on 10:43:30 11/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:43:30, 11/20/2000 I have been following the Kim Ballard postings and am curious about what information she thinks she could have about the killer of not just JonBenet but of Susannah Chase, as well. It strikes me as very strange that she would first claim in the media to have had an affair with John Ramsey, sounding as if she is casting aspersions on his innocence, then, years later, attempt to contact the Ramseys with information about their daughter's murder as well as another murder that took place a year later in the same city (where Ballard does not even appear to live). Is she just suffering from mental problems that would cause her delusions about being attached to the Ramsey case in some way? Or is there lots and lots going on that would make for connected dots, if we could see everything behind the scenes, among the allegations of an affair with Ramsey, claims of information on the murders of JonBenet and Susannah Chase, and the odd appear-disappear behavior seen first on "Geraldo" and recently on another forum? If someone could prove that Ramsey had an affair with Ballard or anyone else within a few years before the murder, that wouldn't necessarily do anything to solve the case; however, it may be useful to invesatigators to know this. A lot of the Ramseys' protestations of innocence hinge on their image as an upstanding, devout Christian family with no secrets and no problems. Proving an affair, especially one with someone from a personal ad (as opposed to one with a colleague oe neighbor, which is just as wrong but seems somewhat less deliberate in its inception) would go a long way in showing that at least one family member has kept a few secrets from the others about things that would not be considered wholesome and upright. This would also give investigators a feel as to what the interpersonal "hot buttons" in the house may have been at the time of the murder. I still say that if the murderer is a parent, the whole killing, cover-up, and four years' worth of dodging would fit right into context if we were to know the truth about the parents' relationsship. The acts would not be justified, of course, but they would "make sense" in terms of why someone made the choices he or she did. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "NYL" Posted by lewis on 20:34:49 11/20/2000 I have tried to understand Hoffman's interest/connection to any of this case and remain bewildered. He does nothing for the case but create spin for the Ramseys. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Lewis," Posted by guardian on 20:47:03 11/20/2000 >I have tried to understand Hoffman's interest/connection >to any of this case and >remain bewildered. He does nothing for >the case but create spin for >the Ramseys. I don't know anything about NYL. How do you mean he creates spin for thr Ramseys? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "as in" Posted by pinky5 on 21:41:04 11/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 21:41:04, 11/20/2000 divide & conquer? or is it merely conquer? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Absolute insanity" Posted by guardian on 23:39:48 11/20/2000 12. "Ballard" Posted by flowerpetal on 09:17:38 11/19/2000 Include Original Message on Reply It could be that she is part of an ongoing attempt to collect the ransom money by extortion, whether true or not. In John Douglas's new book, it says he found Jon Benet covered with the blanket with her feet and upper part of her body exposed. In the Godfather II there is a scene where the Senator, who won't cooperate with Michael, is found with a dead prostitute. The sheet over her, covers her the same way as Jon Benet. It's right after the scene where they try to strangle Clemenza in the bar. The scene isn't for the squemish. Maybe they would figure that John's lawyers would contact Kim who would be the contact for the transfer of monies. I have been following this case from almost day one. I thought I had heard it all. But the above post takes the cake. Is this poster actually saying Kim Ballard has been involved in the murder of JonBenet from the beginning? I feel like I am in the twilight zone. As JR would say, "Help me to understand this." Guardian Praying for justice for JonBenet and for peace of mind for everyone who has been associated with this case. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "Oh yeah," Posted by guardian on 00:22:33 11/21/2000 They got the Godfather character wrong. It was not Clemenza. It was Frankie Pantangeli. I may not have the spelling right. He's the one who committed suicide in the bathtub in a federal prison. I just can't stand inaccurate information. Call me Jack Webb. Just the facts ma'am. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "Hi Guardian....." Posted by Mee Too on 05:11:31 11/21/2000 Re:your above post...I'm sure there are those that believe KImberly Ballard is/could be involved in the murder or cover up of JonBenet..... There are some that believe the poster (at Jamesons) KB is MW...and just more Ramsey spin..others think that she could be some "OLE" trouble maker posters just having fun with Jameson......Still others believe she is Jameson...... Who knows what the truth is....only time will tell...... I'm still waiting for a reply from New York Lawyer.....or is silence my reply..hmmm I have followed the case from Day one.. I watched/heard the Rivera show the night when Kimberly Ballard was on the phone...(I'm still looking for the tape) I truly believe she has some info...However I do believe her...when she says she was threatened...... I do NOT believe she was payed off...JMO In your research...was KB ever a model..or was Susan Chase...? Thanks....(Mee Too) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Mee too" Posted by guardian on 09:37:04 11/21/2000 Thanks for your input. I was just so shocked when I read that post. I thought, how does an alledged girlfriend, who JR claims not to "have a clue who she is", become a murder/kidnap conspirator? What a leap? The closest thing I had heard to that was JR's tale of KB attempting to extort money from him. But, even he stated he had no evidence of such. That story from him however, came months after JonBenet's murder. I put his extortion story in the same catagory as the other woman in his first marriage explanation. "She was a stalker and a seducer." "When I heard of the movie Fatal Attraction, we didn't go see it because I think I could have written it." That's JR describing the other woman. I see a pattern here. When confronted with infidelity, denounce them. Don't just deny, discredit them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "How did she get John's Phone Number?" Posted by Sabrina on 06:48:47 11/21/2000 If she didn't know him...He said she left messages on HIS or was it THEIR machine-- not at his office or attorney's office! I wondered about that especially since they did not make themselves available to the press/public. As far as running an ad, you would be surprised at the people who do. My theory is someone with case knowledge called NYL with the hope of the outcome that did happen--he would put them in touch with Jams. Then "Kim" would post nonsense and be further discredited for the sake of promoting Ramsey innocence. This was not the real Kim and NYL got duped. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Excellent question, Sabrina!" Posted by Edie Pratt on 10:38:11 11/21/2000 Yeah, just how easy was it to obtain the Ramsey phone number? Jeff Shapiro contacted him too, via home phone. Was the # listed in the book? Fatal attraction, eh? Really now, was there a pet boiling on the stove one day, or was JR "meeting" KB in an elevator? Please, the only one capable of boiling the family pet, seems to me, is JR himself. Lucky for Jacques, JR didn't take him on a wok around the Flatirons! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Hmmm, let's see..." Posted by janphi on 13:47:57 11/21/2000 Nuts and Sluts. Where have we seen this game plan before? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "I think this thread is facinating..." Posted by Dr. Who on 07:16:59 11/21/2000 NYL is interested for one reason or another and I don't think he would be spinning his wheels for nothing. If KB indeed is saying she knows of information involving two Boulder killings maybe it's time she be given immunity from prosecution of any vice crimes (or whatever) and interviewed by the Boulder cops or someone (NYL, tabs) and some determination be made to see if she is credible. While Jameson, NYL or whoever approached this potential witness via an internet forum we all know pressing it online is akin to doing pre-investigation interviews with the press which can only lead to this (potential) witness screwing up and giving conflicting accounts of what she has to say...IMO. But more importantly, guardian and all of others keep leaking your tidbits lol ;-). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Wait a minute" Posted by Sabrina on 14:53:30 11/21/2000 Jameson posted what Kim told her she knew about the crimes. She also passed it on to the Rams or the investigators. It is so far fetched that they were not interested in speaking to Kim. It was something outlandish like someone followed her in a parking lot and she thought it was related. Even those that believe that the tooth fairy could have done this don't believe Kim Ballard has any information to solve the crime. It's all over there. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Code-6" Posted by guardian on 17:09:11 11/21/2000 If Ballard really spoke with hir and that's a big IF, do you really think she would have given crime information to a code-6 wing-nut? Ballard knew enough about the legal system to turn the BPD away from her door in early 1997. The media filmed it. I saw it on the news. How many people know the constitution well enough to turn out of state detectives away? I would venture, not many. I'll place my bet on Ballard over the internet junkie. Guardian [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "constitution" Posted by Edie Pratt on 10:24:58 11/22/2000 what an interesting statment, Guardian, that MSB knew enough about the constitution to turn the police away. Those were my exact thoughts on the Ramseys, when it became knowledge that they slammed the door in the face of the police. I never knew that we could do that, and I'm pretty certain most others didn't know that was an option, either. But now that you mention that,G, I'm wondering where MsB got her education on the constitution? Same place as the Ramsey's? I would bet so, and I'm sure she was on the phone to JR when the police came knocking, and she refused to answer her door. I say she was coached, what say you? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]