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Isn't it time to reinvestigate Burke, sunshine, 11:16:27, 3/23/2001 Parental authority, Mini, 12:29:49, 3/23/2001, (#1) Where I live, tinky, 19:45:59, 3/23/2001, (#2) Sunshine, Tomahawk, 23:19:41, 3/23/2001, (#3) Sunshine didn`t say he did it!, tx_sunshine, 08:29:21, 3/24/2001, (#4) I don't feel Burke, tinky, 10:50:52, 3/24/2001, (#5) the fact that he didn't ask, Edie Pratt, 11:42:24, 3/24/2001, (#6) Yes, Edie P, Anton, 13:02:51, 3/24/2001, (#7) "time to get up, Buddy", Edie Pratt, 13:31:49, 3/24/2001, (#8) No discussions?, SJ, 13:38:11, 3/24/2001, (#9) why wait for 40?, Edie Pratt, 14:00:44, 3/24/2001, (#10) Let me clarify,,,,, sunshine, 14:33:06, 3/24/2001, (#11) police lecture....., rose, 22:21:39, 3/24/2001, (#12) Edie and sunshine, Anton, 11:56:44, 3/25/2001, (#13) Yea, Anton,, gaiabetsy, 09:32:52, 3/26/2001, (#14) have the tables turned?, Edie Pratt, 17:39:03, 3/26/2001, (#15) Hmmmm...., Ginja, 18:57:50, 3/26/2001, (#16) one little correction, Ginja, Edie Pratt, 19:05:13, 3/26/2001, (#17) Edie,, gaiabetsy, 08:23:40, 3/27/2001, (#18) Crouching Tiger, Sleeping Dragon, Edie Pratt, 12:08:24, 3/27/2001, (#23) Edie, Ginja, 08:30:49, 3/27/2001, (#19) Ginja,, gaiabetsy, 08:37:02, 3/27/2001, (#20) Not sure, tx_sunshine, 08:50:31, 3/27/2001, (#21) You folks never cease to amaze me..., Ayeka, 10:19:55, 3/27/2001, (#22) ................................................................... "Isn't it time to reinvestigate Burke" Posted by sunshine on 11:16:27 3/23/2001 Now that the Rams have gone to such great lengths to reveal their latest tidbits, what is to prevent someone just going over to his school, and sitting him down. He is certainly now old enough to be seen and heard as a credible witness. If indeed this explosive nonsense is true, then isn't it time to question him again. He is certainly old enough now, and this kind of questioning is done all the time, by the authorities. What is taking them so long to do this? If indeed he was awake enough to hear what was going on, maybe he would recognize voices. Why doesn't someone look into this. That they have never discussed the murder with Burke is outrageous, and makes my heart, soul and mind go pitty-pat, what ever that means. What a mockery of justice. And it just continues and continues and continues. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Parental authority" Posted by Mini on 12:29:49 3/23/2001 I think parental permission is still needed to question Burke until he's 18. IMO the Ramseys need to worry most when Burke falls in love for the first time--all those secrets that he might share with a girlfriend. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Where I live" Posted by tinky on 19:45:59 3/23/2001 a minor can be interviewed without parental consent at age 14 (and that minor can waive his rights also). I am not sure about Georgia, but maybe some of the legal people here can verify that information. I would imagine that the R's are a bit nervous about this fact. The older he gets, the more they have to worry about. I think he knows what happened, or suspects, and the R's are concerned when and where he will divulge what he knows about that night. Over the weekend, I watched a show(on A&E I think) about an adult woman who testified against her father whom she witnessed killing and then burying her mother. She kept her mouth shut out of fear, but in the end, had to tell the authorities what happened. As for Burke, what happens one day when he is an adult(say in college) and he has a drink or two and starts talking about what happened that night? I truly think this is going to happen(maybe not under those circumstances, but I think he will talk), and I also believe the Rams know this also. It is easy to scare a child into shutting up, another to scare an adult... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Sunshine" Posted by Tomahawk on 23:19:41 3/23/2001 There is a big problem with the "Burke did it" thing. If the Ramseys have proven anything to all of us, it is their instinct for controlling the situation that they are embroiled in. It is incomprehensible that they would just let Burke go to a neighbor after they knew he killed his sister and they were covering it up. I don't think there is any possible way that JR and Patsy would expose themselves to a possibility of an out of control son "spilling the beans" to anyone! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Sunshine didn`t say he did it!" Posted by tx_sunshine on 08:29:21 3/24/2001 She was asking about what Burke knew,or heard while he was pretending to be asleep. I think it is a very good point.He should be requestioned. What about when Burke said he heard loud voices in the middle of the night?He would know what the parents were doing if he was up. JFJB [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "I don't feel Burke" Posted by tinky on 10:50:52 3/24/2001 was involved in his sisters death, and I didn't think sunshine's post was trying to say that either. I think Burke knows what happened though. Kids at that age can be intimidated very easily. I feel that the Rams felt very confident that at the age of nine, he wasn't going to spill the beans. However, as each year passes, they run the risk of Burke talking about the events surrounding what really happened that night. And I think he will. Maybe he won't walk into a police station, but he will tell someone...a girlfriend, a friend...someone, because he is carrying a heavy, heavy load. Poor boy... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "the fact that he didn't ask" Posted by Edie Pratt on 11:42:24 3/24/2001 tells me he knows. When I was a child, I asked ALL THE TIME about my real parents, nomatter the answer was always different. For a nine yr old to remain silent about such a big thing, is unbelievable! Or very scary. If Burke had done this, wouldn't we have heard of disturbing behavior after? They packed him off to school so fast, when most families would have taken time out WITH their kids, to regroup and mourn. And now he's a fine young man, on swimteams and popular, not exactly a basket case, or a threat. tick tick tick... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Yes, Edie P" Posted by Anton on 13:02:51 3/24/2001 I think that's the right track for understanding Burke's behavior. IMO, he hasn't said anything or asked anything for one of two reasons, or both: 1. He already knows what he needs to know. 2. He's afraid to say anything or ask anything. According to the reported enhanced portion of the 911 call, Burke did ask and was shouted down by his father. Without hearing the tape, we can't know what his attitude was when asking so we can only interpret his reported words. That leaves many gaps. "What did you find?" Thomas reported an emphasis on "did", which would indicate a child who knew something was up but hadn't yet learned the key point. Depending upon the relationship between him and his parents, that emphasis could mean many things. The fact that he was shouted down indicates he wasn't a welcome partner in the activity, which indicates that his father didn't want to explain it to him right then. It could also mean that Burke already knew and wondered how far along the path of discovery his parents were. The fact that his father shouted him down and ordered him back to bed might have been all he needed to know. Bed was safe, elsewhere was not. He is also reported to have said, "What should I do" or "What can I do". His father's answer -- "We're not talking to you. Go back to bed." -- might have made Burke angry but Burke's coping method was (and probably is) silence. Go along to get along. It wasn't worth retorting, especially when his father was overheated. I have a feeling that the tears on Burke's face, reported recently by John, might have flowed over a bright red handprint on his cheek. Anton [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. ""time to get up, Buddy"" Posted by Edie Pratt on 13:31:49 3/24/2001 yes, Anton, I agree with all, except the slap. Somewhere between the 911 and FW making his bed, Burke was told SOMETHING, as he didn't ask another question after the 911. Swept right past the cops, so he had to have known there was trouble. Supposedly said nothing on the car ride over to FW's, so his questions had been answered somehow. I find it interesting he wasn't scared to ask "what DID you find?", but the question suggests he's looking for an answer as to why all the commotion. "what DID you find that is causing Mother to scream and carry on?" JR's shouting him down got results, whereas Patsy's hysterionics didn't frighten him back to bed, huh? I'd give my teeth to know what JR said to him from that call til showtime, because he sure followed orders to a tee. I think if he were slapped, "time to wake up, buddy" wouldn't have come off as it did. The boy would have been in tears, and less than cooperative, don't you think? I think an icy stare from JR is all those children needed to know he wasn't having any of their shenanigans, and Patsy was the "easy" parent. Yeah, I'd stay mum too, if I were already afraid of my dad. Now JR seems to kiss his ass, tippy toe around him, and fret that someday that "abused pet" will bite back, so to speak. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "No discussions?" Posted by SJ on 13:38:11 3/24/2001 I can't believe that these people have not discussed JonBenet with their son. Makes no sense. None at all. And the only reason that they are revealing that he was awake is because the GJ testimony is going to come out. This young boy had to be terrified and on strict orders to keep his mouth shut. Leads one to wonder about the quality of his life before and after that night. Very sad. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "why wait for 40?" Posted by Edie Pratt on 14:00:44 3/24/2001 jeezuz, why not get him in therapy pronto so he won't go all those years with memories and questions and perhaps, guilt? They should want his memory back NOW, shouldn't they? Is he in therapy? It's laughable that JR is "afraid" his one ALIBI will remember, huh? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Let me clarify,,,," Posted by sunshine on 14:33:06 3/24/2001 I have never thought that Burke was capable of committing the crime. I am simply not of that belief. The point I was trying to make was that a child pretending to be asleep, certainly would be capable of picking out the voices of his parents, in a conversation. Hearing is the last senses to go, and his hearing would have been acute if he was just pretending to be asleep. I am glad that you researched the correct age that he would have been believable. I believe each state has a different statute on this. Experience has shown me, that kids rarely lie when it comes to this kind of truth. However, the courts do not always agree with this theory. I just can't imagine a parent coming off abrasively to their son, during a crisis like this. I might send them back to bed, but certainly not in an abrasive manner, unless I was trying to hide something from him. To not have talked with Burke about what happened to Jon Benet, at all, is incredible nonsense, or shows a total lack of concern, remorse, etc. That in itself is pathetic. He is part of the family, and should have been given some kind of explanation. I have always believed that when we try to hide something, it will eventually come out in another way, or form, later on. I guess we just have to wait an see. To not have any reaction at all, or a catatonic one, makes me really wonder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "police lecture....." Posted by rose on 22:21:39 3/24/2001 I hope the police gave the Ramseys a lecture on haveing an open gun case like they would us. I can't think of any thing more dangerous than having a teenage child in the house and keeping a gun case unlocked. What if there had been no bugular that day that John left the house and he had been detained from getting home before Burke came home from school? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Edie and sunshine" Posted by Anton on 11:56:44 3/25/2001 Edie -- I think you're right about the icy stare doing the job. What I'm wondering is at what point was Burke awake? At what point was he frightened and with tears in his eyes? Did he awaken when his parents were clamoring for the police or did he awaken when JonBenet was perhaps clamoring for her life? That is, the Ramseys have opened the door to the cellar room once again, metaphorically. I think that through this recent interview, they allude to the fact or strong possibility that Burke was awake much earlier and saw or they think he may have seen what happened, and that John intimidated him into cooperating. sunshine -- you're blessed to be part of a normal family. In a family in which the parent (or both) functions through intimidation, the kids are yelled at, spoken harshly to and otherwise treated with disrespect on a routine basis. This is how I perceive the Ramseys. Anton [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Yea, Anton," Posted by gaiabetsy on 09:32:52 3/26/2001 to elaborate on what you said, I belonged to a family that didn't really do much yelling or anything like that. They were, however, very secretive. I was raised to keep my mouth shut, don't ask questions, don't raise certain subjects, and generally be seen and not heard. All that came from my parents - and they didn't specifically tell me those rules. I gleaned it early on. So, even when really bad things were happening to me, I mostly kept silent. There were a few times I tried to get help from them, but I was made to understand (without much communication from them) talking about those things was taboo. I remember how I finally felt compelled to mention something to the minister. I'll never forget the look on his face. He was very shocked. Yet, even he just seemed to want to take the easy way out. His way of dealing with some very horrible information was to give me a list of bible passages to read to help me cope with my environment. Of course, that was back in the '50's when "nothing bad was supposed to ever happen to children." These days I'm hopeful a child in such pain and fear would be taken very seriously and given some real help. Anyone who believes Burke needed much coaching to keep his mouth shut never grew up in a family like mine. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "have the tables turned?" Posted by Edie Pratt on 17:39:03 3/26/2001 can't remember who said it, (I'm sorry), but someone wrote a quote about teenagers knowing everything. Now that Burke is a bonafide teen, it can't be pleasant around there. Burke had a good teacher when it came to cold shoulder giving, I'm sure he's applying that lesson now. The R's paranoia must be compounded when he goes to his room and shuts them out, being a typical teen and all. His "normal" behavior must take on double meaning for them...scaryyyyyy! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Hmmmm...." Posted by Ginja on 18:57:50 3/26/2001 I don't believe Burke slept much that night. I think he knew pretty much what happened. I'm sure he knew there was big trouble and it concerned his sister, but I'm not sure if he actually knew she was dead. Never know, though, he could have been sneaking around (as all kids do) and saw his father carryng a "sleeping" JonBent down the stairs. I think he just kept his ear to the noises and goings on of his parents. When he heard them down in the kitchen, he figured now was a good time to 'make an appearance' and so he came down the stairs in time to hear his mother tell the police she "found" a note. Not able to put two and two together (what's a note got to do with anything?), he waited til his mother 'hung up' the phone and asked, "What did you find?" It could also be that he came down to the kitchen earlier (or otherwise caught up with his parent(s)) and maybe asked what was going on at which time he was told whatever, maybe that his sister was 'gone' or 'missing'. And then when his mother's on the phone talking about her daughter missing and finding a note, no one had said anything about a note, so that's when Burke asked, "What did you find?" I tend to go with the latter. Someone talked to him, if only to be told to keep quiet and not ask questions. He was sent back to bed immediately because the cops were at the house 7 minutes after the call was made. Both Patsy and John were downstairs when the cops got there....John answered the door. French kept decent notes of what he saw (flayed fingers), and since he didn't mention anything about John being out of breath or winded or even flushed, then I doubt he could have run upstairs with Burke,telling him whatever, and then running back dowstairs to open the door. The cops also didn't mention anything about either parent going back upstairs to check on Burke once they'd arrived. Fleet got there at 7 and went up to the room with John. Someone talked to Burke to at least make him understand that no matte what, he wasn't to talk to anyone or say anything. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "one little correction, Ginja" Posted by Edie Pratt on 19:05:13 3/26/2001 twas Patsy who answered the door. That is what is so hinky, to me. She was hysterical, according to French, and was "joined" by JR after. Why is he standing by while she calls for help, and when help comes? Then, shows a face that's best suited for a cocktail party. Reminds me of the case I watched the other night, guy kills fiancee, OVERLY FRIENDLY to cops, calling them by their first names! Funny, too, in his interview, before they had a body, the guy pulls out his NOTES. Hell-o! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Edie," Posted by gaiabetsy on 08:23:40 3/27/2001 don't you think John planned what they'd do that night and morning? He seems like the director and Patsy is the actress (star? haha). Patsy was crying and freaking out all day while John paced around, read mail, drank, sat by himself, searched the house. Yes, different people handle stress in all kinds of ways, but John seems to always be in the background. I'm remembering how he sometimes corrects or finishes her comments on TV. Makes me wonder about that break-in even more. Could he have planned it? Sure. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Crouching Tiger, Sleeping Dragon" Posted by Edie Pratt on 12:08:24 3/27/2001 Hi Gaia! Yes, quite the Hollywood production. The Dragon takes a meletonin, and the Tiger crouches behind the china cabinet...bravo! Which way to Lin Hollywood? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Edie" Posted by Ginja on 08:30:49 3/27/2001 Patsy answered the door?????? Well hell, that's news to me. I'd call that another "hinky moment" if you know what I mean. I know I read about John answering the door....guess he let someone else in instead of the cops. Fernie perhaps? Actually, once Patsy sat in her chair splaying her fingers over her face, I don't think she got back up out of the chair until her friends 'carried' her to another spot. Very interesting! I'm still sticking to my 'belief' that someone talked to Burke before the 911 call. He never would have known enough to go quietly back to his room and stay there until Dad came along to rouse him. And then he wouldn't have known to keep his mouth shut when he drove with Fleet or played with the White kids. He was talked to by an adult and there wasn't enough time between him overhearing the phone call and the cops coming to the door for that kind of "warning". [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "Ginja," Posted by gaiabetsy on 08:37:02 3/27/2001 yup. This song and dance the Rams keep handing us about NOT talking to Burke about the murder is just so much hogwash. They started talking to him that night and they've done some talking since. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Not sure" Posted by tx_sunshine on 08:50:31 3/27/2001 but I recall reading somewhere that JR took Burke aside and had a talk with him before he went to FW house.Was it in PMPT? I seem to remember that JR took him into the study? Can anyone help me with this? JFJB [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "You folks never cease to amaze me..." Posted by Ayeka on 10:19:55 3/27/2001 I too 'faked sleep' more than once when I was afraid my dad would yell at me. If Burke was faking because he was afraid of an intruder, he should have woke the moment he heard familiar voices. He didn't -- that's telling to me. Ginja wrote: French kept decent notes of what he saw (flayed fingers), Flayed? EW! :) Ayeka [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]