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The Gist of Smit (or Smit part doh), MrsBrady, 12:30:54, 4/26/2001 OK Mrs. B 10 lashes, JR, 12:33:37, 4/26/2001, (#1) What maw, Watching you, 12:34:46, 4/26/2001, (#2) Thank you Mrs. B!, watchin', 12:37:01, 4/26/2001, (#3) Speaking of little birds..., janab, 12:38:54, 4/26/2001, (#4) Thank You Mrs. Brady!, Starling, 12:45:29, 4/26/2001, (#5) thanks, Mrs. B, vic, 12:52:33, 4/26/2001, (#6) Thanks, Maw!, LurkerXIV, 13:34:08, 4/26/2001, (#8) Vic,, Tricia, 13:31:24, 4/26/2001, (#7) I figured he was still riding, Cassandra, 13:38:00, 4/26/2001, (#9) Killer on the loose, JR, 13:56:40, 4/26/2001, (#10) Carrying posts over , Watching you, 14:08:23, 4/26/2001, (#11) My problem....., rose, 14:50:01, 4/26/2001, (#15) Didn't the Ramseys claim, Watching you, 14:37:48, 4/26/2001, (#14) Oh Neddy, Starling, 14:37:39, 4/26/2001, (#13) The rest of 'em..., janab, 14:36:22, 4/26/2001, (#12) Give me a break, JR, 14:54:10, 4/26/2001, (#16) I think Lou's appearance, Florida, 15:21:28, 4/26/2001, (#26) My little stalker, Gemini, Watching you, 15:03:40, 4/26/2001, (#17) heh heh, Gemini, 15:10:50, 4/26/2001, (#20) Thomas....., rose, 15:10:00, 4/26/2001, (#19) Hahaha, who would, Watching you, 15:07:17, 4/26/2001, (#18) You are right, Rose, and anything......., sds, 15:19:32, 4/26/2001, (#25) If I were, Gemini, 15:13:19, 4/26/2001, (#22) Time is up!!, Watching you, 15:11:29, 4/26/2001, (#21) You're sort of right, Gem, Watching you, 15:15:41, 4/26/2001, (#24) WY and Rose, Gemini, 15:23:06, 4/26/2001, (#27) LOL WY, Gemini, 15:15:04, 4/26/2001, (#23) scuseymoi, v_p, 15:37:54, 4/26/2001, (#28) VP...., rose, 15:47:14, 4/26/2001, (#29) Back, Gemini, 17:29:05, 4/26/2001, (#30) That ain't evidence, Gem, Watching you, 17:36:07, 4/26/2001, (#31) Watching You's post #46 "For Ned", Cassandra, 17:48:27, 4/26/2001, (#32) I think every Smit thread deserves, Watching you, 17:57:58, 4/26/2001, (#33) Saw it in FoxNews, austingirl, 18:10:24, 4/26/2001, (#35) Watching You, Thor, 18:07:51, 4/26/2001, (#34) Thank you, Thor, Watching you, 18:16:46, 4/26/2001, (#36) IT'S ON COURT TV TOO--, Sabrina, 18:25:10, 4/26/2001, (#37) i doubt, mame, 18:33:20, 4/26/2001, (#38) I want to know, mary99, 19:09:10, 4/26/2001, (#40) Sorry, Watchin., Thor, 18:55:57, 4/26/2001, (#39) I don't think, JR, 19:26:48, 4/26/2001, (#42) plasket, mame, 19:19:41, 4/26/2001, (#41) Interesting, JR, 19:34:18, 4/26/2001, (#43) Hmmmmmm...., Ginja, 21:16:30, 4/26/2001, (#44) Smit's Employment Contract with Boulder DA, Ginja, 21:23:47, 4/26/2001, (#45) Stipulated Court Order, Ginja, 21:28:20, 4/26/2001, (#46) Today Show's "Powerpoint " presentation ..., Ellique, 01:27:27, 4/27/2001, (#47) hahahah, v_p, 05:58:25, 4/27/2001, (#48) Skydog, Watching you, 06:25:06, 4/27/2001, (#49) Go Smit!, Watching you, 07:06:53, 4/27/2001, (#50) ................................................................... "The Gist of Smit (or Smit part doh)" Posted by MrsBrady on 12:30:54 4/26/2001 A little bird who has seen the Smit powerpoint presentation has told me that the majority of the photos are of stuff in the basement that was dragged in by an inturder/blown in with the wind from the broken window. Now, unfortunately for our dear Mr. Smit, pine needles and styrofoam packing peanuts, unlike computer files, do not come complete with a date stamp, nor do they have a voice to explain the last time they were moved. Compound that problem with... A.) the photos were snapped a WEEK after the murder, and... B.) the Ramseys were slobs, fact. Sorry to start a new thread, beat me with a wet noodle. [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "OK Mrs. B 10 lashes" Posted by JR on 12:33:37 4/26/2001 Thanks for the info though! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "What maw" Posted by Watching you on 12:34:46 4/26/2001 said. me too, heh. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "Thank you Mrs. B!" Posted by watchin' on 12:37:01 4/26/2001 You summed up the whole event and made the pointless efforts more clear in thes short post than I could do in my rantings! Smit wasNOT there that morning and neither was Thomas. Do we REALLY need another opinion form a civilian who is out to prove his 'theory'? Hell, most of the JW posters have a better 'Power point presentation, imo, it just doesn't help the Rammers. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Speaking of little birds..." Posted by janab on 12:38:54 4/26/2001 Did the Ramseys ever appear on Today this week? I taped Monday and Tuesday and didn't see them through a fast forward looksey. I guess if they had appeared, there'd be a thread, right? Dumb question, janab. You may now return to your regularly scheduled discussion 'o Smit. . janab [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "Thank You Mrs. Brady!" Posted by Starling on 12:45:29 4/26/2001 You stated it so perfectly. You know if Alex Trubek had a jeopardy board set up, with the following names under it - Lou Smit and Mike Kane and under each of the dollar amounts where the real clues to this case - I'll take Mike Kane for a thousand.Lol Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "thanks, Mrs. B" Posted by vic on 12:52:33 4/26/2001 Glad your bird is singing! But riddle me this - why would "someone" be advising to get out the kleenex and expect to need support due to the trauma of all this? I know packing peanuts scare the crap out of me, am I not the only one? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "Thanks, Maw!" Posted by LurkerXIV on 13:34:08 4/26/2001 And to think...that poor sap in Boulder who took crime scene photos out of a dumpster went to jail for what? Three months....(sigh) Different rules apply to different folks, I guess. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Vic," Posted by Tricia on 14:30:23 4/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:30:23, 4/26/2001 We share the same fear "PACKING PEANUTS OHMYGAWD!" Thanks so much MrsBrady. Your post put everything in perspective. NedNedNedNedNed Dearest Ned, Of course I will give Lou Smit a chance. But what we know so far has not impressed me. Ned I bring up Smit's "being a good christian" because he does it himself. Ned you gave some reasons as the why Smit waited as long as he did. He did not have the authorities behind him etc.. So what? He needs to stop a killer right? I still wonder why at 12:01 am on the date when he legally could have put forth his evidence he did not. What does Lou Smit have now that he didn't have back then. Why wait! There is a killer on the loose. Hurry. Hold a press conference. Make a big splash. Get that killer fast. Don't wait almost TWO YEARS before doing what can be done to catch a killer. I stand by what I posted on Thor's thread. I will give Lou Smit a chance. If he has something to offer that makes the world go "Oh my God I see what he means", then I promise you Ned I will be the first one to back Lou Smit up. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "I figured he was still riding" Posted by Cassandra on 13:38:00 4/26/2001 that tired old styrofoam horse, or pig, in this case! ZZZZZZZZZZZZ Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Killer on the loose" Posted by JR on 13:56:40 4/26/2001 Yeah Tricia and that killer had already been on the loose a couple of years and oddly enough - no more killings but now 4+ years later it becomes very important to warn us all. ;-\ [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "Carrying posts over " Posted by Watching you on 14:08:23 4/26/2001 from first thread: 98. "Fly, he's dancing on the edge then," Posted by Cassandra on 13:46:27 4/26/2001 and figures nobody will challenge him. He's probably right. The Boulder DA's are not known for their courage and integrity, especially in cases involving little children. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 97. "Fly" Posted by Nedthan Johns on 13:45:16 4/26/2001 A kindly word of advice: Your frequent comment about having a background in Science is just about to become the equivalent of mame's lectures on journalism. As others have pointed out, there obviously are some significant gaps in your knowledge (e.g., the hymen comments and mtDNA) that rather undercut any impact your degree might impart. Nedd: My hymen comments Fly were taken out of context. I simply stated the dictionary difinition of the word erode, and off they ran with it. The facts as I know them are that JB's hymen WAS intact the erosion is referring to the skin surrounding it. Erosion can occur many ways, I was trying to point out the word alone does NOT suggest prior sexual molestation IMO. As for being an expert in the female anatomy, this I am not. The degree I have is limited. I can only confur with experts in the field of Biology, which are plentiful here where I work. It is because of the DNA, I became a fence sitter. It exisits, it is male and it doesn't belong. As for a class on DNA 101, I tried my best to explain this on layman's terms, with no avail. I give up. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 96. "Fly" Posted by Watching you on 13:41:30 4/26/2001 I understand wha you are saying, but then how does that affect LHP? Wouldn't that be the same for her? Couldn't she do the same thing in her book? She has had to go to court to overcome the gag order. I'm a little confused on the ambiquity surrounding the GJ gag order. I don't think Smit is stupid enough to defy a court order, so there must be some way he thinks he can get around the GJ issue. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 102. "WY" Posted by fly on 13:59:58 4/26/2001 WY - I think that LHP wants to not only publish information that she told the GJ, she wants to describe what happened during her GJ visit. That would be definitely out of bounds. She also might be being much more conservative in the interpretation of the law than Smit. Or, LHP's suit might be as much about NYL wanting to keep his name in the news as any serious concern about LHP getting prosecuted for publishing the case facts she knew (as opposed to commenting on her actual GJ testimony/experiences). [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 103. "Thanks, Fly" Posted by Watching you on 14:03:01 4/26/2001 you're right. As usual, haha. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 101. "I thought " Posted by Florida on 13:58:34 4/26/2001 anyone who talked about what they told the Grand Jury would be in violation of the GJ secrecy order?? If he isn't in violation why would anyone else be if they came out and talked? How can his agreement with Hunter negate the Grand Jury Secrecy Order. I don't get it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 99. "Ned" Posted by Watching you on 13:54:11 4/26/2001 your exact words: Nedd: Bubble Bath CAN erode a little girls hymen, just as repeated bed wettings, can [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 100. "s'more" Posted by Watching you on 13:58:27 4/26/2001 Look at b : to wear away by the action of water, wind, or glacial ice c : to cause to deteriorate or disappear as if by eating or wearing away Watching You, let's say we compare JB's hymen to an sexually active teenager. Do you think that teenagers hymen would be explained as eroded? I don't. The term eroded fits in perfectly with a child JB's age who has a "chronic" bed wetting problem. Not wiping herself properly. I thought our Szundi explained all this long ago. While I think Wecht is a little emotional, er, make that promotional (hi, Lace), I don't think he is wrong. I think it is ludicrous to say those injuries came about as bubble bath injuries or the like. Watching You, I say he makes perfect sense explaining erosion this way. What part didn't we understand, ned? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 104. "We are being very rude" Posted by Watching you on 14:06:40 4/26/2001 Maw started a new thread. Think I'll carry some of these over thar. End of Thread. Caput. Over. Done. Go to Maw's thread. WY, your friendly thread ender. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "My problem....." Posted by rose on 14:50:01 4/26/2001 My problem with Smitt is he zeros in on suppose theory and avoids looking at the whole picture. Personally I don't think he derailed the GJ with his testimony. He is saying I think that a stun gun was used. That the packing peanuts was brought in by the intruder when he slides through the window that evening of murder. so what about the things he dismisses? He ignors all the other circumstanial and real evidence cause he likes the Ramseys and does not think they would do this to their child. What I want to hear from him is how he dismisses all the other evidence. It is not honest on his part to not do so. It is also not honest on his part to trot out his theorys on demand when the Ramseys need and can use him to spin. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Didn't the Ramseys claim" Posted by Watching you on 14:37:48 4/26/2001 Steve Thomas compromised the investigation by writing his book and appearing on TV in their lawsuit. Am I disremembering here, or did they not sue him for that also? Well, Ramdammit, if that's the case, how is Smit's appearance on TV handing out so-called evidence going to affect that lawsuit? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "Oh Neddy" Posted by Starling on 14:37:39 4/26/2001 Starling with a breathtaking view of her feet today said: "Hypotheticals isn't real evidence, Ned. The facts are - Lou Smit is out of the loop. The loop that matters. You are right he doesn't have access to any DNA results and if his agenda is truly to help JonBenet Ramsey, then going public with what little tidbits he thinks he knows about doesn't help her." Ned: LOU IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE LOOP MY DEAR. Starlings reply: That statement is so full of bull, I can smell it in Ohio.Lol Starling said: "Muddying the waters is never going to help her. Once he realizes he is out of the real loop - maybe then and only then will he step away and let the BPD finish the job that needs to get done." Nedd: Hahahaha. Yea like I will be alive to see that. Sorry Starling but the BPD already finsihed thier lame investigation. They don't have enough evidence to convict anyone. What little they did have they tainted. Starling just smiles as she considers the word lame. Starling said: "He can't put pressure on the BPD - no real pressure that is. Have you ever considered that Lou's instincts may be off a bit? Certainly you feel that the BPD's are, right? But the gist of the matter is - the BPD holds the cards, the cards that matter to their chest right now." Nedd: Actually Starling, I don't beleive the BPD holds any cards, and apparently never had. They are incompetent fools. The only cards being played right now is by Lou Smit. He has a full deck and wants to show the world, because the BPD don't want to see. By accepting what Lou SMit has to offer, they admit to compromising the case and not going after ALL leads. By accepting, Ned? Little ahead of yourself aren't you? In my original statement: "So Ned, in answer to your question - no, Lou's hypothecticals are just as moot as a bedwetting hypothetical. May be interesting - but now he's guessing like the rest of us." Nedd: I beg to differ. He is doing far more then guessing Starling. He had access to the real evidence. Before you all dis the man, why can't you be decent enough to hear what he has to say???? Gee Ned, I am a decent person, and sort of resent the insinuation that I'm not. I can see how important Mr. Smit is to you or at least the information you think he'll provide - but to many of us here - this is a non event. Sorry Ned. Kane's the pooh - take a whiff! Lol Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "The rest of 'em..." Posted by janab on 14:36:22 4/26/2001 (Hope they take your advice and start using this thread, WY. At least this will bump it to the top again!) ~~~~ 107. "Ned" Posted by fly on 14:11:41 4/26/2001 Ned - Gaps in knowledge, and making mistakes is something common to all of us. When those gaffs are accompanied by another reminder of your background in science, people's "buttons" are likely to get pushed. Constantly citing your "credentials" - especially now that you reveal that they are "limited" - isn't appreciated (or necessary at this point) and ends up being an irritant, rather than an asset. As soon as many people see that, I'm guessing, their eyes start rolling skyward and they are heard to mutter, "Oh, spare me!" That was what I was trying to point out to save you some grief. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 106. "There you go again Ned" Posted by JR on 14:11:15 4/26/2001 It is because of the DNA, I became a fence sitter. It exisits, it is male and it doesn't belong. Stating opinion as fact. There is NO official statement regarding "unidentified male DNA" in this case. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 105. "Hey Ned" Posted by Starling on 14:08:37 4/26/2001 You've met your waterloo with me! Like I said on Maw Brady's thread 2 - I'll take Mike Kane for a thousand, Alex.LOL Come in out of the darkness! Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "Give me a break" Posted by JR on 14:54:10 4/26/2001 Ned: LOU IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE LOOP MY DEAR. Who's loop Ned - the Ramseys? It's more likely Smit's jumping through hoops IMO. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "I think Lou's appearance" Posted by Florida on 15:21:28 4/26/2001 will be interesting but I think it will be what we've heard before plus some pictures of a poor stun gunned pig and a few crime scene photos showing the peanuts and debris that could have been there for weeks. He will describe how brutal the murder was. Most most of us know that already but it will bring tears to our eyes as he tells the audience that a parent couldn't do this. He will tell the audience that the police didn't look anywhere but at the parents. Some stranger must have written the ransom note even though Patsy is the only one of the family and friends who cannot be eliminated by handwriting analysis and the content of the letter was not written by some stranger. He will have a few people who support his idea of an intruder. He will pull out all the stops and it will be moving and emotional. He will have everything but a viable suspect. I personally wish he could solve the murder but he is as closed minded as the people he accuses of being closed minded. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "My little stalker, Gemini" Posted by Watching you on 15:03:40 4/26/2001 . "Selective Chastising?" Been expecting you, Aunt Gem. What makes you think I don't think Wecht, Bob Grant and Craig Silverman are whores, too? As for my big studly, whistle-blowing hero, Steve, hubba hubba, ding ding, Thomas, show me where he released crime scene photos, Auntie Gem. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "heh heh" Posted by Gemini on 15:10:50 4/26/2001 hi ya great aunt Watch : ). OK, so let me get this straight. It's OK for Smit and Thomas to release info, just not photographs, and in your superior opinion, Wecht, Silverman and Grant are media hos. How'm I doin'? : ) Personally, I don't think Smit OR Thomas should be free to relaese case info. and I think the 3 mentioned above would certainly qualify as populating the red light district of the media, but Smit hasn't worked the streets long enough to get there. : ) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Thomas....." Posted by rose on 15:10:00 4/26/2001 I did not learn any case evidence that had not already been leaked in Thomas's book. The only thing that I learned was that LHP said JB also defecated in her bed. The book did reveal a good case of obstruction of justice involving the Boulder justice system. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Hahaha, who would" Posted by Watching you on 15:07:17 4/26/2001 you rather have on your front porch, girls, big studly Steve Thomas, or ol' Lou the Fox Smit? You have 30 seconds to think about it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "You are right, Rose, and anything......." Posted by sds on 15:19:32 4/26/2001 that Smitt says has nothing to do with what went on that night in the Ramsey house. If he is saying that an intruder was there, it is just his naive way of saying that others were involved in this crime. With all of his expertise, he still hasn't put the dots together. I wonder how long he will be around after his TV appearances. Maybe he will be hit by a car like that Kevin guy. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "If I were" Posted by Gemini on 15:13:19 4/26/2001 down to drooling for male attention ... probably Thomas. If I were the victim of a crime and needed help ... probably Smit. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Time is up!!" Posted by Watching you on 15:11:29 4/26/2001 ST wins by a landslide. Because I said so. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "You're sort of right, Gem" Posted by Watching you on 15:15:41 4/26/2001 and sort of wrong. We all hos in one way or another, you know. I don't believe I saw much, if any, actual case evidence in ST's book, but I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong. I don't believe I have heard ST release any actual case evidence in any of his TV interviews. This is a whole different ballgame, Gem, even if you don't want to admit it. Smit is showing evidence that was submitted to the GJ, or so I've heard, I don't actually know that. You don't have to be the brightest bulb in the strand to know what Smit is doing, Gem. He is hoing for the Ramseys, media hoing to be precise, because they want to try their case against Steve Thomas in the public. Can't fool me, I'm too smart. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "WY and Rose" Posted by Gemini on 15:23:06 4/26/2001 I don't want to leave the impression my last post was in response to this one : ). So, for both of you, I saw a number of tidbits in ST's book I had never seen before (and I've read most everything out there except Singular's books). To give you all the examples, I'd have to dig out the book once again and read ... which I have no time for today. If there's a real dispute about this, I'll try to get around to it asap. WY, IMPO, I think Smit is just trying to achieve a balance in public perception ... something I have no problem with EXCEPT ... as with Thomas, I think he's making a mistake to release info about a sensitive, ongoing case. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "LOL WY" Posted by Gemini on 15:25:49 4/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 15:25:49, 4/26/2001 paa-shaw you say. ROFL Have a ((hug)) and a good'un, m'lady. Gotta go. (this is in response to post #21) edited to clarify : ) ... really gotta go now [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "scuseymoi" Posted by v_p on 15:37:54 4/26/2001 >>I tried my best to explain this on layman's terms, with no avail. << Please explain that in layman's terms fur me Nedd... Yes Gem, I would like for you to dig a titch and let me know the evidence ST wrote about that we didn't already know. Defecation would not be critical evidence ... if you ask me. I vote ST WY. Thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "VP...." Posted by rose on 15:47:14 4/26/2001 As you say. all the info covered in the book was info we had already heard. Lou has blinders on and dismisses all the real and circumstanial evidence other than his theory. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Back" Posted by Gemini on 17:29:05 4/26/2001 with a squeaky clean keyboard and monitor : ). V-P, I will browse the book first chance ... probably tomorrow. Most of the new info, I think, was in the details. A few things that come to mind off the top of my head are: the reaction of PR's attorney when she told investigators she had re-dressed in the same outfil on the morning of the 26th Arndt and social services people prowling through the Ramseys' photo albums and checking out the home decor special lamps indicating blood on the swatches cut from the carpeting There's much more ... some of it rumor (probably from people who had access to the galley copies of the book) confirmed. I'll probably wish I'd never brought it up, but didn't think I'd have to spend time reminding folks and re-reading : ( . Can think of better ways to fill my non-working time. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "That ain't evidence, Gem" Posted by Watching you on 17:36:07 4/26/2001 that's gossip stuff. Except for the blood on the carpet. I don't recall seeing that in ST's book, and Lawd knows I've read it enough times, since he is a big hunk of burning luv and all. What else, while you've got your squeaky clean keyboard in front of you? I want to know the EVIDENCE he gave away, Gem. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Watching You's post #46 "For Ned"" Posted by Cassandra on 17:50:09 4/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 17:50:09, 4/26/2001 (oops, I forgot to say which thread!) on the Smit Crime Photo thread should be it's own thread. She lists quotes from Smit and he damns himself from his own mouth. Hoist on his own petard, as it were. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "I think every Smit thread deserves" Posted by Watching you on 17:57:58 4/26/2001 a reminder, don't you, Cassie? From the mouth of Lou Smit: I cannot, in good conscience, participate in the persecution of innocent people." " In this case, however, I believe ..., that innocent people are being targeted, and could be charged with a murder they did not commit." "At this point of the investigation "the case" tells me that John and Patsy Ramsey did not kill their daughter." .... But retired Colorado Springs detective Lou Smit, speaking extensively for the first time on his role in the stalled investigation, says the Ramseys did not kill their daughter, according to today's editions of the Denver Rocky Mountain News and The Denver Post and the March 20 issue of Newsweek. IRMI, p. 327: "Lou Smit, so emotional that he shed tears, was immovable in declaring John Ramsey innocent of any wrongdoing." [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Saw it in FoxNews" Posted by austingirl on 18:10:24 4/26/2001 Just a brief statement that crime scene photos would be released and showed an intruder did it, it left the impression it was being done by someone in authority at the BPD. I was stunned, then I thought a minute and knew it had to be the one and only Smit. What a crock he is, bamboozled by the holy-rollin' Rams. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. "Watching You" Posted by Thor on 18:07:51 4/26/2001 Finally home from work, can feel free to post. I agree with your post #58 1000%. Could not have put it better. This is all BS, and what enraged me this a.m., besides Louse Smit's announcement, was Tracey reared his ugly head again and will do a croc #2 with Louse. How appropriate. This timing is everything, as far as I'm concerned. This has turned into such a circus freak sideshow, JonBenet is all but forgotten. CYA is all it is. I admit I will tape the show to see what he has to say but if it the same ole packing peanut (I loved the post involving packing peanuts terrifying people, can't remember who did it), alien pubic hair, one scuff mark crap, it may fool the breadbaking housewives, but not me. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. "Thank you, Thor" Posted by Watching you on 18:16:46 4/26/2001 but I think watchin' posted that. That's okay, we get confused now and then. I mean, watchin's confused all the time, but I'm confused just part of the time. Now you're confused. Confusion reigns supreme. I'm supposed to have left the forum five minutes ago and here I am still posting. It's not I. It is an imposter. Probably Gemini trying to write like WY. Nite. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "IT'S ON COURT TV TOO--" Posted by Sabrina on 18:25:10 4/26/2001 About the "new" evidence.....same statement basically as Fox. OMG! I have packing peanuts all over! I use them for shipments and my cat likes to jump in the boxes and bat the peanuts around. They make purrr-fect cat toys. I've even thought about gluing on little tails so she thinks they are mice. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "i doubt" Posted by mame on 18:33:20 4/26/2001 NBC would devote this enormous amount of time during sweeps week to a man and his pictures if there wasn't some significant info to be gained. i doubt they'd put katie on a plane to denver and shine a light on a "crazy, old, religious man" if there weren't substance involved...not just packing peanuts. katie couric has proven in the past to be quite knowledgable on the ramsey case. i'm told she asked tough questions. maybe she's lost some brain cells and will only ask questions regarding "packing peanuts" during the five day smit stint...i sorta doubt it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "I want to know" Posted by mary99 on 19:09:10 4/26/2001 if Smit is going to discuss the Krebs allegations and how they may overlap the Ramsey case. I also wonder if he will be commenting on the boots belonging to Michael Helgoth that were examined by Lee. Although both events took place after the GJ disbanded, thus were never subject to the agreement we have seen posted, I wonder if that information is privileged under a newer agreement. I would think that any info obtained from Krebs is his to disseminate as he and/or she chooses. It was never under the control of the BPD. As far as Helgoth, Smit obtained the boots and turned them over to the BPD, not vice versa. I'm 100% behind him blowing Thomas's and the BPD's PDI scenario to smithereens... if he has the ammo, it's time to use it. what happened to justice for JBR? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Sorry, Watchin." Posted by Thor on 18:55:57 4/26/2001 Thanks to Watching You, you get credit for the #58 post. I agree all the way. Watching You, I also usually agree with you, two, so now I am confused. Too much time in double stalled toilets, I guess. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "I don't think" Posted by JR on 19:26:48 4/26/2001 anyone has turned their back on JFJBR mary99 but I think many of us are a bit skeptical of anything Smit has to say since it is difficult to consider him an objective observer. IMO he lost credibility when he held hands with the Ramsey's in prayer. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "plasket" Posted by mame on 19:19:41 4/26/2001 uncovered the details of smit's legal right to the information and evidence he has. fortunately, BJ took the time to investigate the case file and report it. http://www.longmontfyi.com/Ramsey/Start_of_00/03_16_00/03_16_00.html [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "Interesting" Posted by JR on 19:36:53 4/26/2001 NOTE: This message was last edited 19:36:53, 4/26/2001 The DA's office, during that same early 1999 time period, made a similar turnaround in its opposition to allowing Smit to testify before the grand jury. Ramsey prosecutor Michael Kane on Feb. 11 wrote Smit a letter telling him the grand jury had decided not to hear from him. Smit then filed a motion asking District Judge Roxanne Bailin to allow him to address the grand jury. >>>If the DA's office truly supprts the Ramsey's then why wouldn't they want Smit to testify with his suppsed exculpatory evidence? In that same filing Kane attacked Smit's contention that unmatched finger or palm prints were found on JonBenet's body. "No such evidence exists," Kane said. >>>Guess that answers that question. Edited to say: Some of you may be interested in the thread: "Local Child Abuse Case" under the Missing Children Forum. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "Hmmmmmm...." Posted by Ginja on 21:16:30 4/26/2001 Is it me or doesn't anyone speak English anymore? I know...it's spoken, just not understood? What village has lost its idiot? (favorite line from Weakest Link) ;-) Of course, it could be me...I have days when I'm not too bright. lol Smit's contract expressly (not implicitly, but explicity) forbade him from keeping or sharing information that had anything to do with the murder investigation. And there's a difference (at least the last time I checked) between an "agreement" and a "court order". I know. You be the judges. I'll post them both. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "Smit's Employment Contract with Boulder DA" Posted by Ginja on 21:23:47 4/26/2001 THIS AGREEMENT, made as of this 17th day of March, 1997, by and between Andrew Louis Smit, (hereinafter "Smit"), and Alexander M. Hunter, the Boulder County District Attorney, whose legal address is P.O. Box 471, Boulder, Co 80306, (hereinafter the "District Attorney"). WHEREAS, Smit desires to accept employment as a Special Senior Investigator for the District Attorney; and WHEREAS, the District Attorney has determined what a reasonable compensation will be for a Special Senior Investigator, and has offered Smit employment for such compensation and on the terms as hereinafter set forth, and Smit is willing to accept employment on such terms, NOW THEREFORE in consideration of the promises and of the mutual covenants and agreement hereinafter contained, the parties hereto agree as follows: 1. Employment. The district Attorney hereby employs Smit and Smit hereby accepts employment with the District Attorney upon the terms and conditions set forth below. 2. Term. The term of this Agreement (the "Term") shall be from the date of the execution of this Agreement by both parties until December 31, 1997, subject to the termination provision contained herein. 3. Duties. During the Term of this Agreement, the Employee shall assume and discharge the responsibilities of Special Senior Investigator on the JonBenet Ramsey homicide investigation and prosecution, and such other responsibilities as may be prescribed by Smit's supervisors. Smit shall devote his best efforts, knowledge and skill on a full-time basis o the performance of his duties as aforesaid. 4. Compensation. In consideration of the services rendered by Smit to the District Attorney under the terms of this Agreement, the District Attorney shall pay or cause to be paid to Smit a salary at the rate of $5,000 per month, payable on the last day of each month. The parties agree that Smit shall not be entitled to, or compensated for, any overtime pay. Smit shall not be compensated for any mileage he puts on his personal vehicle - but Smit shall issued a Boulder Country driver number and a personal identification number and is allowed to unrestricted use of Boulder County fuel for his personal automobile during the term of the Agreement. 5. Benefits. This Agreement sets forth all of the terms, conditions and benefits of Smit's employment with the District Attorney and Smit agrees that the Boulder County Personnel Manual shall not apply in any way to Smit's employment with the District Attorney and Smit waives all rights and benefits under the Boulder County Personnel Manual. Thus, by way of example, but not as an exhaustive list, Smit shall not be entitled to participate in any Boulder county insurance or retirement plans or be eligible for standard Boulder County vacation or medical leave, or any disciplinary procedures set forth in the Boulder County Personnel Manual. 6. Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, Withholding Taxes and Workers' Compensation. The District Attorney shall cause the County of Boulder to make contributions through payroll, make matching contributions, fund, pay premiums or withhold from any payments made under this Agreement, any amounts that may be necessary, appropriate or required under applicable provisions of the laws concerning Social Security, unemployment insurance, FICA and local taxes, and Workers' Compensation. 7. Termination. The District Attorney, in his discretion, with or without cause, may terminate Smit's employment with the District Attorney at any time during the Term of this Agreement. Smit may terminate his employment with the District Attorney at any time during the Term of this Agreement. Said termination shall be effective immediately upon the receipt of written notice of either parties' intention to terminate the employment relationship. Upon receiving said written notice of termination, all rights, duties and obligations of both parties, except those which are are expressly stated to survive this Agreement, shall cease. 8. Nondisclosure of Information. Smit agrees that he will not, either during the Term of this Agreement or at any time thereafter, disclose to anyone (except to the extent authorized in writing by the District Attorney) any confidential or proprietary information concerning the business or affairs of the District Attorney and/or the County of Boulder or the Ramsey homicide investigation and/or prosecution which he may have acquired in the course of or as incident to his employment or prior dealings with the District Attorney and/or the County of Boulder. 9. Representation and Warranty. Smit represents and warrants to the District Attorney that he is not now under any obligation to any person, form or corporation which is inconsistent or in conflict with this Agreement, or which would prevent, limit or impair in any way the performance by him of his obligations hereunder. (Well check this out! I would think buddying up with the Ramseys from the outset of his employment would qualify as a breach to this clause, wouldn't you?) 10. Notices. Any and all notices referred to shall be sufficiently given if in writing and upon mailing by registered or certified mail, postage prepaid, to either party at the address of such party or such other address as shall have been designated by written notice by such party to the other party. For purposes of notice, the District Attorney's address shall be and remain:Boulder District Attorney's OfficeP.O. Box 471 Boulder, Colorado 80306 11. Assignment. This Agreement is personal to each of the parties hereto, and neither party may assign nor delegate any of the rights or obligations hereunder without first obtaining written consent of the other party. 12. Entire Agreement and Future Modifications. This Agreement supersedes any and all prior written or oral agreements between the District Attoney and or the County of Boulder and Smit and may be amended, modified or superseded only by a written Agreement signed by both the parties. (Perhaps this is the clause causing the confusion?) 13. Severability. If any one or more provisions of this Agreement shall be found to be invalid, illegal or unenforceable in any respect, the validity and enforceability of the remaining provisions contained herein shall not be in any way affected or impaired thereby. 14. Governing Law. This Agreement shall be governed by and construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the State of Colorado, U.S.A. 15. Appropriation. This Agreement is subject to the appropriation of funds for the fiscal year 1997 by the County of Boulder. If such funds are not appropriated, the District Attorney has the right to terminate this Agreement and be released from all obligations under this Agreement, and both parties shall be released herefrom. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have executed this Agreement that day and year first above written. Alexander M. Hunter,Boulder County District Attorney Andrew Louis Smit [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Stipulated Court Order" Posted by Ginja on 21:28:20 4/26/2001 IN THE DISTRICT COURT, BOULDER COUNTY, COLORADO Case No. 99 Division 2 STIPULATED COURT ORDER Alexander M. Hunter, District Attorney in and for the 20th Judicial District Plaintiff, v. Andrew Louis (Lou) Smit Defendant THE COURT, based upon a stipulation of the parties, hereby enters the following order which replaces all previous orders entered into this case. GENERAL STIPULATION 1. The parties stipulate that each of them has acted in good faith in performing the terms of the employement agreement in question, and that this stipulation is entered into in an effort to resolve misunderstanding which have arisen between them. Detective Smit has entered into these stipulations because he has never had an intention to release information to the public during the pending grand jury investigation. Plaintiffs stipulate that they have no evidence that Detective Smit ever misused any information that was entrusted to him, nor do they have any evidence that he intended to misuse such information in the future. POSSESSION OF INVESTIGATIVE DOCUMENTS AND THINGS 2. Detective Smit shall be allowed to retain one copy of the Powerpoint demonstration, and shall turn over a second copy to the Plaintiff. 3. Detective Smit has shredded all of his paper copies of the case time line, lead sheets and index, and shall turn over all databases containing these documents to the Plaintiff. Since Plaintiff contends that these items are privileged work product, Smit shall not retain a copy of these items. 4. Smit shall retain a copy of the Powerpoint demonstration in his own home or in some other safe and secure place. 5. The Plaintiff shall maintain and will not erase or destroy the Powerpoint demonstration, the case time line, lead sheets and index. DISCLOSURE BEFORE CHARGES FILED 6. Until charges are filed in the Ramsey case, Detective Smit shall not show the Powerpoint demonstration or any of the photographs contained therein to anyone, nor shall he disclose confidential information that he has learned during the course of his employmentunless such information is already in the public domain. 7. During the time period set forth in paragraph 6 above, Detective Smit may continue to investigate the murder of JonBenét Ramsey but in doing so will make it clear that he is investigating on his ownand not as a representative of the police, district attorney or grand jury. Furthermore, during any such investigation, Smit shall not intentionally interfere with the police, district attorney, or grand jury investigation. DISCLOSURE AFTER CHARGES FILED/TIME LIMIT 8. After charges are filed in the Ramsey case, Detective Smit shall be free to disclose any information to anyone, including any person who may be charged with the death of JonBenét Ramsey; PROVIDED HOWEVER, Smit agrees that he shall not disclose to anyone conversations he has had with any attorney working for the district attorney, or consulted by the district attorney, unless ordered to do so by a court of competant jurisdiction. 9. If no charges are filed by October 1, 1999, Detective Smit shall be free to disclose any information to anyone, but Smit agrees that he shall not at any time in the future disclose any conversations he has had with any attorney working for the district attorney, or consulted by the district attorney, unless ordered to do so by a court of competant jurisdiction. PROCEDURE FOR EXTENSION OF THIS ORDER 10. If no charges are filed by September 1, 1999, the Plaintiff may seek consecutive 30 day extensions of the provisions set forth in paragraphs 4, 6 and 7 above, but in doing so, the Plaintiff will be required to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that a continuing prior restraint on Detective Smit's freedom of expression is necessary. Dated the 30th of March, 1999 By the Court Also signed by Alex Hunter, Lou Smit, Michael Kane and J Gregory Walta (attorney for Smit) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "Today Show's "Powerpoint " presentation by Lou Smit" Posted by Ellique on 01:27:27 4/27/2001 Come on now folks, be fair and show your "willing-to-listen" side. Everyone else, it seems, has theorized, so now it is LS's turn. Love, Ellique [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "hahahah" Posted by v_p on 05:58:25 4/27/2001 >>>>What village has lost its idiot? (favorite line from Weakest Link) ;-)<<<< You gotta love her ... I think she's really WY in disguise :o) [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "Skydog" Posted by Watching you on 06:25:06 4/27/2001 on the Cybersleuths Forum, has written a very good post on Lou Smit. I hope y'all can find your way there, because it is well worth reading. Of course, if you're bent on Lou Smit's integrity, you probably won't want to read it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "Go Smit!" Posted by Watching you on 07:06:53 4/27/2001 Police won't debate Smit on Ramsey case By Christopher Anderson Camera Staff Writer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Veteran homicide detective Lou Smit may be speaking out publicly about evidence in the JonBenét Ramsey case, but Boulder's police chief will not. Chief Mark Beckner said he will not debate the merits of the Police Department's evidence. He said that over four years, the department has said about all there is to say. "What can we gain other than just entertainment for the public?" Beckner asked, anticipating questions Smit is expected to raise on NBC's Today show next week. Smit is also participating in a documentary by University of Colorado professor Michael Tracey, who will air the presentation in the United Kingdom in July. Smit is releasing selected autopsy and crime-scene photos from the 1996 death of JonBenét Ramsey, 6, who was found beaten and strangled in her family's basement. Her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, remain under police suspicion in the case. Smit said the evidence he will release next week shows that an intruder, not John or Patsy Ramsey, killed the little girl. Police say the case and development of evidence has "changed significantly" since Smit resigned as an investigator for the Boulder County District Attorney's Office in the fall of 1998. Beckner released a public statement saying police and district attorney's investigators have been aware of Smit's theories and interpretation of the evidence since 1997. "We certainly do not know what Mr. Smit hopes to accomplish, but we do not wish to have public debate about what evidence we do or do not have," Beckner said. "We will simply continue to do the work we have been doing." District Attorney Mary Keenan also declined to comment and said she asked Smit personally not to comment on the case. Smit said his purpose is to show another side of the story and to catch a killer who may still be on the loose. Smit has pursued for several years a theory that JonBenét was attacked with a stun gun, a theory supported by Adams County Coroner Mike Dobersen. Boulder County Coroner John Meyer, who performed JonBenét's autopsy, has refused to comment on whether a stun gun was used. Smit says the evidence is in a pair of rust-colored marks on JonBenét's face and back, each 3.5 centimeters apart, the same distance apart as an Air-Taser stun gun. Smit used a stun gun on pigs to show the similarity of the marks. The pictures are likely to be a part of his presentation. Contact Christopher Anderson at (303) 473-1355 or andersonc@thedailycamera.com. April 27, 2001 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]