Justice Watch Discussion Board "Litigate my little bleeding heart ass..." [ Main ] [ Post New Thread ] [ Help ] [ Search ] Table of Contents ................................................................... Litigate my little bleeding heart ass..., mame, 08:40:00, 5/18/2000 Mame, janab, 09:46:25, 5/18/2000, (#1) Mame, Cassandra, 09:55:31, 5/18/2000, (#2) Mame, frankg, 10:09:58, 5/18/2000, (#4) repost, Chris, 09:59:27, 5/18/2000, (#3) Mary, Denver, 10:20:06, 5/18/2000, (#6) The Rams are even interested in MW!!!, seenal, 10:10:57, 5/18/2000, (#5) Frankly, mame, Watching you, 10:32:52, 5/18/2000, (#7) What's going on?, Seashell, 10:40:08, 5/18/2000, (#9) Seashell, I'm with you. What , Holly, 11:42:23, 5/18/2000, (#21) Goes, going, gone, saryan, 10:45:44, 5/18/2000, (#10) mame,, Zhanna, 10:33:39, 5/18/2000, (#8) mame, Sioux, 10:49:09, 5/18/2000, (#11) you know the problem, pat, 10:59:23, 5/18/2000, (#13) Hey,, AutumnBorn, 11:01:23, 5/18/2000, (#15) Autumn, Denver, 11:26:37, 5/18/2000, (#17) mame, Starling, 10:53:20, 5/18/2000, (#12) Starling, you darling, Gemini, 11:00:51, 5/18/2000, (#14) Gossip, docg, 11:27:56, 5/18/2000, (#18) peace be with us, Longhorn, 11:07:04, 5/18/2000, (#16) Longhorn, Watching you, 11:29:21, 5/18/2000, (#19) WY, Longhorn, 11:37:30, 5/18/2000, (#20) Mame,, pinker, 11:43:14, 5/18/2000, (#22) Go Mame Gooooooo!, Rascal, 12:13:15, 5/18/2000, (#25) Some thoughts..., mame, 11:58:34, 5/18/2000, (#23) Thanks, Denver..., AutumnBorn, 12:00:39, 5/18/2000, (#24) Autumn, Denver, 12:19:56, 5/18/2000, (#26) Mame,, gaiabetsy, 12:23:33, 5/18/2000, (#27) thanks, mame, mary99, 12:40:41, 5/18/2000, (#28) Hang In There Mame!, Paralegal, 12:59:12, 5/18/2000, (#30) Mame, mary99, 12:48:25, 5/18/2000, (#29) gaiabetsy, dustii, 14:45:40, 5/18/2000, (#31) Hey, Msracoon, 15:12:06, 5/18/2000, (#33) Pinker, Starling, 14:56:02, 5/18/2000, (#32) "Denver most corrupt judicial district in country", maundy, 15:53:36, 5/18/2000, (#34) INTERESTING, DUNT, 02:21:44, 5/19/2000, (#50) maundy, Chris, 17:54:50, 5/18/2000, (#44) Thanks Mame, dixie, 16:17:47, 5/18/2000, (#35) WY !!!!!..., Pedro, 16:40:43, 5/18/2000, (#37) "They" say, lake, 16:37:36, 5/18/2000, (#36) well, dixie..., mame, 16:44:29, 5/18/2000, (#38) Mame, Brightlight, 17:11:20, 5/18/2000, (#40) Mame, docg, 17:11:12, 5/18/2000, (#39) Brightlight, Seashell, 17:43:37, 5/18/2000, (#42) Is there a confused couch in here?, v_p, 17:33:53, 5/18/2000, (#41) What's the matter?, Shaggy, 17:47:13, 5/18/2000, (#43) Seashell, Brightlight, 18:00:42, 5/18/2000, (#46) M'dear Mame, pip, 18:00:36, 5/18/2000, (#45) as usual, MadT, 18:42:16, 5/18/2000, (#47) facts vs blind faith, Maggie, 20:51:14, 5/18/2000, (#48) chris, maundy, 23:55:09, 5/18/2000, (#49) Arkansas has a long reach, Cassandra, 08:19:11, 5/19/2000, (#51) Cassie, Bobby, 18:45:34, 5/19/2000, (#52) Bobby..., Cassandra, 07:27:22, 5/20/2000, (#53) Maundy-Denver Judicial Corruption, straykat2, 08:45:14, 5/20/2000, (#54) Mame, straykat2, 09:02:30, 5/20/2000, (#55) First Bubba, maundy, 12:04:15, 5/20/2000, (#57) "Bridget" and Mame, Shamrockpati, 11:49:24, 5/20/2000, (#56) MAJOR CORRECTION, mame, 13:12:57, 5/20/2000, (#58) Mame, Shamrockpati, 20:00:47, 5/20/2000, (#60) in case i didn't make clear, maundy, 15:17:06, 5/20/2000, (#59) ................................................................... "Litigate my little bleeding heart ass..." Posted by mame on 08:40:00 5/18/2000 (this is a repost from another thread) please? I welcome it. Let's rock... I've been threatened bodily and professionally. Even by the BPD. Talk about an underbelly. Whoa baby. Sue me. Stalk me. Tap my phones. Threaten my kids. Here I am, you want me? Go for it. Just remember if you read my obit in the Pleasantville Times.... IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT! Those following and investigating this story were told if we continued, we'd be discredited, disbarred, and demeaned. Guess the games have begun. Gotta wonder why a little crazy woman can bring on such wrath. Now that's the $64,000 question. They murdered the information seekers in The Franklin Cover-up. Who is she shaking up? Guess the games have begun! Well, I'm one helluva ball player. I don't always win...but I always make it into extra innings! WY, you disappoint me. Why not respond as a thinking woman with real live intelligent examples of my tunnel vision? Wit to wit, example to example, mind to mind! Why run? Why play Sarah Bernhardt? Let's rock, WY! When a police chief calls a courageous witness a "fruitloop" before an investigation begins...when journalists are silenced...when a "fiber summit" is really a cover for a "Mystery Woman Summit"...when threats to a little grassroots journalist and her children emerge...when egos are shaken...YOU GOTTA WONDER WHY, WY? [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 1. "Mame" Posted by janab on 09:46:25 5/18/2000 Before I'm outta here, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate all you've done and am behind you 100% in wanting to help others. I don't know whether MW has any concrete connection to the case, but I believe she deserves everything that's being done FOR her and none of what's being done TO her! Stay safe (and stay vocal)! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 2. "Mame" Posted by Cassandra on 09:55:31 5/18/2000 Thanks for the first part of the transcript. I was able to follow the spoken version. Bridget has a soft voice. She sounds like a gentle person. She has had more than her share of bad times. Hope things turn out ok for her. Don't let people get to you, Mame. You are on the side of the angels. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 4. "Mame" Posted by frankg on 10:09:58 5/18/2000 I'm almost finding the reaction to this story more interesting than the story itself. Maybe your just getting to close to the truth and someone ain't comfortable. I'm not commenting any further at this point. After a brief exchange with Sioux yesterday I went back and replayed the interview and paid closer attention. I now feel I need to take a few humble steps back, with an appropriate tip of my hat to Sioux. I think his/her comments were a lot more dead-on than my own. I'm still not convinced there's a connection, but clearly there's reason to believe that a connection exists. I still have many questions but I think after yesterday I'll spend more time reading before I ask them. And Mame, thanks much for everything you do for this forum and for JonBenet. Please take care of yourself and your family. Your obit comment was just too dark for my taste. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 3. "repost" Posted by Chris on 09:59:27 5/18/2000 I posted this on the daily but since this thread will certainly fall into the category that I talk about in my post, I think I'll repost it here. 19. "A funny thing happened on the way to the forum..." Posted by Chris on 09:35:31 5/18/2000 All this criticism for JW and the MW discussions. It sort of makes me wonder. People are jumping this ship like it's sinking. That would be okay if it cut down on the traffic but what amazes me is that the threads about MW are getting hundreds of hits. I wonder why... Makes me think of people who slow down to look at a traffic accident but don't stop to help the victims. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 6. "Mary" Posted by Denver on 10:20:06 5/18/2000 Mary, hang in there. For every distracter, you have at least two defenders on this forum. They may not be as vocal as the ones running to other forums to blast you. They may not be on the Cybersleuths Forum calling for everyone on this forum to be sued by FW. There are people that want to hear the entire story. Sadly, the topic of molestation brings out the best and the worse kinds of emotions in people. It brings up compassion, but it brings up anger, denial, and fear. We may never know who killed JBR. We may never know if the Whites are indeed involved in a sex ring. But we sure as hell won't know if we don't investigate and discuss these topics. As you well know, Mary, I have talked to MW several times. I have not made that public...until now. Another sleuth friend and I have investigated the information she presented to us. We have been able to validate much of what she has stated, but not all. Some things are impossible to validate. That does not make them lies. Many, many dots connect. Many more could possibly connect given time to investigate and given the tools to investigate, which we do not have. I don't know if the MW story connects to the death of JBR, nor does MW. MW has a story to tell that has many connections to the murder, however. I think the best thing for MW to do at this point is to make public all the information she has on her own website. Present it to the public and let the public decide. Without presenting all the information, some are left to speculate. Some are left to read misinformation that is thrown out there by the likes of the Queen of misinformation on another forum. Perhaps Chris will consider moving the MW discussions to the WOR and leave this forum for the rehash of the rehash and a thousand more discussions of vaginal injuries. One last word, Mary...don't ever be offended by being tagged an advocate for the unfortunate people that have been abused. Be offended by those that would make that sound less than admirable, for it is a lack of compassion on their part. Stay the course, Mary! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 5. "The Rams are even interested in MW!!!" Posted by seenal on 10:12:05 5/18/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 10:12:05, 5/18/2000 Mame, I feel for you and appreciate all of the hard work you have done for the sake of JBR. For one thing I always thought the BPD showing up at your house to arrest you for your dog disturbing the peace was a crock. I also think the Ramsters arent interested in this Mystery Woman, you'd think they'd be beating down the doors of the DA's office and the BPD...where are they ...they are busy sueing and not pursuing their daughters killer. How come MW story never made it to the national news, and better yet why havent the Ramsters mentioned MW on TV, like hello, poor JBR, will we ever knkow the truth. I think there are a lot of high rankers in Boulder who do not want their little dirty secret known. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 7. "Frankly, mame" Posted by Watching you on 10:32:52 5/18/2000 I think your diatribe is uncalled for. I am not the enemy, never was. I am not "them." You want to rumble? Lady, you're tough, but not that tough, and I don't go toe to toe with anyone without putting everything I've got into it. This is simply not worth the effort, but don't make the mistake of assuming that because I won't play that childish game, I am afraid. I am not. Your post is confrontational toward me. So be it. Instead of answering the points in my first post, you have gone on the attack. You want to send me looking for your tunnel vision posts. I know that game, sorry, it won't work. You made the posts, I read them. I appreciate your putting yourself in the line of fire - the fire is not coming from me, and I did not put you there. You insinuate that I am afraid to enter that fire? You would be dead wrong, but I pick my own battles. Arguing with you further about whatever it is we are arguing about is not high on my list of priorities. Suffice it to say, I know emotional blackmail when I see it, and there is a lot of coming from certain directions these days. Yes, I know I said I would not be back, but y'all know how that goes. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 9. "What's going on?" Posted by Seashell on 10:40:08 5/18/2000 I just logged in and it reads like all H has broken loose. Mame, I hope you're OK and your family too. Is the forum also now being threatened? I'd better go read some other threads. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 21. "Seashell, I'm with you. What " Posted by Holly on 11:42:23 5/18/2000 the sam hill is going on? Did I take a nap and the chit hit the fan? WY, I'm not certain, because I can't reach mame by phone, but I think she is lashing out at MW's thug, pervert family members. Not her JW family. This clan is scared to death. And it shows. Talk about hitting a raw nerve. And a word about Beckner. While the premature "fruit loop" label was grotesque, he did accurately call the Whites "morally empty". IMO, of course. And this may surprise, but I don't blame Kane et all for backing off MW. Their entire case is built around a theory they think is backed up by forensic data. I respect that. They just can't link MW's horrid story to the evidence. At least not yet... But alot about this case has evolved and in time Kane's opinion may also. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 10. "Goes, going, gone" Posted by saryan on 10:45:44 5/18/2000 You have it all wrong, and you have wronged Mame, can you go again. thanks [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 8. "mame," Posted by Zhanna on 10:33:39 5/18/2000 I just want to acknowledge again the courage and dedication you've demonstrated. When you came to that fork in the road, you did not opt for the easy and safe path, but bravely went on down the path fraught with peril and brambles. And why? Because you chose to practice what you profess to believe. You have my support and utmost admiration. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 11. "mame" Posted by Sioux on 10:49:09 5/18/2000 mame oh mame! I hold the greatest of respects for you and I admired you already enough for YOUR COURAGE when I started admiring you for your COMPASSION.So now that you clearly know where I stand(in case you didn't), I'll ask you one question. I hope you can give me a clear answer. If you CAN'T, I'll understand. Just don't answer this post. Here's my question: What do YOU think happened that night between 10 and 6 in the morning? Thanks a bunch. Sioux [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 13. "you know the problem" Posted by pat on 10:59:23 5/18/2000 here and on this forum regarding MW and Mame is lack of information. Nobody has seen the documentation of MW's claims, the therapy records, the connections in more than a bare vague way. We hear the voice of a sweet vulnerable person, know she has been horribly treated, know she is not a fruit loop and know there is a connnection with the white family. Am I right? So in the absence of laying eyes on documentation, a row has started and suddenly mame is the issue,,,she is more like the lightning rod. I think this forum is populated by a lot of very independent thinkers who have trouble with the notion of just going on faith in mame and feel angry about feeling that they are required to. I am just waiting patiently hoping one day we will see all and judge credibility by actually laying eyes on the evidance. Till then, I think Mame should be given a big ole break,,she has worked very hard, done a public service, performed a private act of admirable charity and feeling, has educated herself about really bad things and has obviously opened her heart and mind to someone who really needs a friend. Can't we accept that and wait for the facts to emerge? I hope so. Mame, I think you're the tops,,, [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 15. "Hey," Posted by AutumnBorn on 11:01:23 5/18/2000 What's this about MW's website? I didn't know anything about it. What's the address? Mame, you're a heroine to JonBenet. When you stop running on that spinning wheel here in the hampster cage, others are going to question your reasoning and motives. They never seem to question why they themselves don't stop. Like a muscle that is only trained with a few exercises, a mind will stop growing when we dismiss exercises that allow continued expansion. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 17. "Autumn" Posted by Denver on 11:26:37 5/18/2000 "...her own website..." as opposed to your website, my website, or the website of anyone else. There is currently no website to my knowledge. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 12. "mame" Posted by Starling on 10:53:20 5/18/2000 Those following and investigating this story were told if we continued, we'd be discredited, disbarred, and demeaned. I thought Hunter wanted this looked into - he even threatened to take it to the AG. I would like to know his thoughts on the above. And for the record mame, I appreciate the interviews. They have helped. I don't know what else to say at the moment but to the people who don't find MW relevant your objections are noted, now maybe you will be able to move on to a thread that more suits your desires :-) That's as nice as I can say that. Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 14. "Starling, you darling" Posted by Gemini on 11:00:51 5/18/2000 And for the record mame, I appreciate the interviews. They have helped. I don't know what else to say at the moment but to the people who don't find MW relevant your objections are noted, now maybe you will be able to move on to a thread that more suits your desires :-) You said it very nicely indeed. In fact, you managed to say, in very few words, most of what it took me a very long post to say, over on the Interview II thread. Thank you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 18. "Gossip" Posted by docg on 11:27:56 5/18/2000 Gossip can be a great hobby. I can't deny I take pleasure in it from time to time. And Mame, you can be one Helluva fun gossip. You're obviously a very intelligent and sympathetic person, with a great nose for news and a bundle of energy. Definitely worth following around with my handy dandy RealAudio device. However! Gossip can also get out of hand. It can turn malicious. And dangerous. For you, perhaps. But frankly I'm worried more about the people being badly hurt by the implications behind a whole lot of totally unsubstantiated and basically even unformulated charges which, indeed, at this point, amount to no more than gossip. If MW is being intimidated by certain people, then sure, you have every right to blow the whistle on that. If she has specific charges to make that are being ignored, then you have a right and even a responsibility to make that public. But from listening to the interview it seems, basically, that she has NOTHING to say of ANY relevance to this case. Alls it IS, Mame, is plain old gossip -- malicious gossip. Gossip that can easily hurt totally innocent people. Reign yourself in, Mame, please. Not because you're afraid for your own safety, which I really doubt is being threatened. But for the safety of those targeted by these totally unsubstantiated, vaguely formulated innuendos. One more point. This woman is from California and has made very serious and for a change very specific charges about things that have happened to her there, even pointing the finger at her own mother. Doesn't any of THAT concern you? What she has to say points very clearly to California, NOT Boulder, so why not turn your attention THERE? Are her charges being investigated by Cal. authorities and if not why not? Do you care? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 16. "peace be with us" Posted by Longhorn on 11:34:38 5/18/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:34:38, 5/18/2000 At the risk of alienating many who I consider great friends, and as a follower of this case from the beginning, I feel the need to speak my mind. At the outset, I will state that I am no "pro" anything. Yes, it is only my opinion that someone in the family of JonBenet is responsible for her death. Yes, I think Lou Smit was set up from day one and do not trust him on this case(I do not believe his accidental" meeting with the Ramseys was accidental). Yes, I think John Douglas was set up(probably willingly) and he disregarded his own basic tenants(not to mention the FBI's) throughout his involvement with this case. Yes, I think Alex Hunter is a weak, ineffectual DA who will use anything to avoid confrontation. Yes, I think the BPD fouled this case up on day one. Yes, I think Steve Thomas ran into roadblock after roadblock in this case. Yes, I think no one will ever be charged in this case, and I think it is over. No, I do not know enough to state yea or nay on MW. No, I do not know enough to say yea or nay on FW. What I do know is emotionalism has overcome most of us. A belief one way or the other on any of the above should not be subjected to hurtful attacks. Is it wrong to believe in MW, wherever it takes us? Is it wrong to believe MW is not all that she appears to be? Is it wrong to believe FW has kept quiet out of fear? ? Is it wrong to believe FW has kept quiet out of dignity? Is it wrong to believe Alex Hunter when he spoke out about MW in the early days? Is it wrong to believe Alex Hunter when he backtracked later? Is it wrong to believe the BPD investigated thoroughly? Is it wrong to believe they didn't? Is it wrong to offer MW assistance? Is it wrong to wonder about a major spin going on? Is it wrong to be grateful for Mame's tireless reporting? Is it wrong to read and listen to reports , then determine for oneself where the trail leads? Is it wrong if different people see different destinations at the end of those trails?? Bottom line, I think we are the prime example of why this case is unable to be brought to trial, beyond the evidence. We are all deeply invested in seeing justice served for JonBenet. Because one poster feels one way, that does not mean they are unwilling to face reality. Because one poster feels another way, it does not mean they are closed minded. I am so fond of everyone here, and I am sorry to see the splintering that has surfaced. We need a handshake of peace. edited because, as WY pointed out, I used the wrong word. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 19. "Longhorn" Posted by Watching you on 11:29:21 5/18/2000 I did not hatefully attack anyone, but I was attacked for stating my opinion. I stand by my posts - all of them. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 20. "WY" Posted by Longhorn on 11:37:30 5/18/2000 It was not my intention to offend anyone, and I have changed the word in question. I realize I cannot begin to speak for or please everyone, only myself. I appreciate your feelings. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 22. "Mame," Posted by pinker on 11:43:14 5/18/2000 I don't know you from jack other than what's been on-line to read in the past few months and I mean no disrespect but.... You can be discredited, disbarred and demeaned? My take on that is similar to the fable of the little boy who cried wolf, maybe folks won't believe anything you report on after awhile, that may be all they were trying to say, to protect or warn you. How can you be disbarred? Are you an attorney? Do you have some sort of license? As a journalist I doubt if you were ever silenced, what was that in reference to? Have we not heard your whole story? Please just keep an open mind like the rest of us. BTW there really was a fiber summit, innuendo will never take precident over hard physical evidence. My aim is not to flame Mame. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 25. "Go Mame Gooooooo!" Posted by Rascal on 12:13:15 5/18/2000 I actually admire your support for Los Oso woman's story. I have made it perfectly clear,I do not support the presence of your children in the on-going story. The danger is too great; the risk is too high. There is a killer out there, and you Mame are a very publicly known person! The work your doing with Los Oso woman is important, don't stop, but be safe. I see the difference between old Brutish poridge and old French soup in "BRIDGETE'S" story line. One of theirs got too ruff with the little French girl, and they left the symbols of the White House. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 23. "Some thoughts..." Posted by mame on 12:03:35 5/18/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 12:03:35, 5/18/2000 I'm putting up a news site of my own within the next week. At least the basics will go up immediately. So, instead of posting responses to random questions here, I'll be tracking and reporting on incidents of "injustice" that aren't heard in our twenty four hour, soundbite news world. I will link to our wonderful site with Toppcat. I'll also be posting all my interviews and BJ/Mame reports. Those who want to ask questions can e-mail me through that site. It's a new media world on The Internet when a reporter is available to respond to questions, threats, praise, and the like. Some of it is good...some bad. In response to some questions... 1) I do not know, or have any idea what happened THAT NIGHT. If I did I wouldn't be sitting here chatting away! Any private musings I have would never be shared in a public way. I respect the rights of everyone. No one should be wrongly accused! Ever! But, since I don't know who is a good guy or girl...and who isn't I can't base interviews and reports on a popular notion. 2) Bridget, like most witnesses, has no earthly idea what happened THAT NIGHT either! She offers dots that might be connected. MIGHT! If she knew for sure what happened, she wouldn't be struggling right now. What she did present is information, powerful information, that many felt deserved a deep long look. A proper, deep, investigation. She knew in coming forward it might never be connected. She knows that now. So do I. 4) I never asked anyone, ever to believe her! Show me where I ever said that! I offered her interviews and news items as INFORMATION. Never once have I asked anyone to believe her. I never asked ANYONE to do any more than read, think and stretch. I said time and time again that I respect those who distrust and don't believe. My anger at times was directed at those who were crude, ill mannered and nasty. No human deserves tthat kind of treatment. Here are comments from her attorney, I included in my initial news reports when her story first broke. Lee Hill: She brings forward information that implicates a widespread of ongoing criminal activity of victimizing and endangering children. Mame: That involves the Ramsey case? Or could involve the Ramsey case? Lee Hill: A portion of her information has relevance to the case. Her complaints merit an investigation. Lee Hill: Hunter is now saying the FBI will be investigating this. Lee Hill: Witness protection issues are of paramount concern. Mame: Is she safe? Lee Hill: Her witness protection issues are of paramount concern. I'm convinced that she is in danger. We fully anticipate that the next step will be a concerted effort to discredit her. Lee Hill: By Haddon and those folks? Lee Hill: By whoever has an interest in discrediting her. She left her job, she left her home, she left her pets, she left her luggage, she left her...she left everything to come forward in an effort to bring this information to the attention of a competent, credible, law enforcement investigation. She has asked for every aspect of her statement to the law enforcement agencies to be checked. She doesn't expect anyone to take her word for it. Her information is quite disturbing. Mame: How quickly will the FBI investigate this? Lee Hill: I can't comment on that. You'll have to ask them. Lee Hill: Her sole purpose is to protect family members who are at risk and other innocent victims who can't speak for themselves. That's her sole purpose. And she has struggled with the burden of this abuse and domination all her life. You should also know that she has been in therapy for trauma related issues for ten years. Her therapist does NOT ...and let me repeat with emphasis...does not practice latent repressed memory development. She is not that kind of a witch doctor. She is an ordinary counselor who has training and who has worked with law enforcement agencies and rape crisis counsel. And she was making these same statements before the murder. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 24. "Thanks, Denver..." Posted by AutumnBorn on 12:00:39 5/18/2000 I obviously misconstrued your reference to a website...I read it twice and it still seemed to indicate that she HAD one rather than SHOULD have one. Wishful reading. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 26. "Autumn" Posted by Denver on 12:19:56 5/18/2000 Your wish may come true... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 27. "Mame," Posted by gaiabetsy on 12:23:33 5/18/2000 a very strong and secure woman like you once helped me deal with my childhood issues about sexual abuse, but also with problems regarding a psychologist I was seeing (whose job it was to help me deal with my past). Interesting thing was, he "hit" on me after several years of therapy. It was such a violation. It took me all the way back to the beginning. I felt like all our therapy could be bogus. It was hell getting through it. Thanks to that strong woman I mentioned, I turned this guy in to the state examining board for psychologists. He saw the handwriting on the wall and got out of the business. I never sued him for money or anything, although I've been through seven more years of therapy. This guy was a real piece of work. I just want to say I feel I have come upon another role model for myself. I'd love to stand up for what I believe like you, but I'm very introverted and shy, so I sit back and throw pots and make flower gardens instead. You do for me what I can't do. I'm glad you have your convictions and you stand up for yourself and what you believe. Knowing what I have learned about MW, I admire her too. No matter what, this woman has lead a dreadful life and has been horribly abused. Stepping out into the light, as she has done, is so frightening and hard, but she will grow from it and become stronger. Of that, I am sure. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 28. "thanks, mame" Posted by mary99 on 12:40:41 5/18/2000 If there was a Pulitzer Prize for Internet Reporting, you get my vote, hands down, no contest. As far as setting up a site for us to keep up with developments and interviews, great idea!!! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 30. "Hang In There Mame!" Posted by Paralegal on 12:59:12 5/18/2000 You're my kind of lady! And so is MW, whether there's a connection to the Ramsey case or not. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL Paralegal ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 29. "Mame" Posted by mary99 on 14:54:53 5/18/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 14:54:53, 5/18/2000 My first message didn't post, or so I thought. Now it's up, go figure. Why is the whole JW forum up in arms about these revelations, anyway? We seek the truth. Can we all agree on that? Lots and lots of new 'evidence' which is far from 'proof' per se, has been accepted and swallowed whole over the last three years. Comments by numerous case-related people have all been added to the pile of 'evidence' that PR killed her daughter. Now, when you come right down to it, the only real evidence is the autopsy and the search warrants and lists of items seized. Everything else is speculation and innuendo, if we are to apply the same harsh standard to the bulk of the so-called 'evidence' collected over three years we have applied to Bridget's allegations. Mame has given us a rare and emotionally charged peek into a very private person's real-life story. She brings us information...we can take it or leave it. Personally, I think there is way too much emphasis placed on the 'prove it' mindset. I mean, if every bit of evidence was subjected to this level of scrutiny, before moving on to even discuss what it might mean, 90% of the threads would never have received a response other than 'prove it or drop it'. This brings me to ponder our own harsh judgement of Hunter. He's a coward who wouldn't move a solid case forward, remember? Well, if all the disputable evidence is taken away, there isn't a whole lot left. Read at the swamp; they have a convoluted explanation for everything...no matter how damning, the Ramseys (they believe) are wrongly accused. I think we as a group pretty much all think that's BS. But their constant refrain is always, 'Prove it...Where's the proof?' So I think if we dismiss The Witness as irrelevant, extraneous, unsubstantiated, we need to start pruning away at our 'evidence' that PR and JR are guilty. We can't pick and choose. If we want to believe the (unproven) words of say, Linda Arndt, or Linda Hoffman-Pugh, or anyone, for that matter, we should extend the same to Bridget. She has been declared credible by the people who specialize in these types of abuse. She successfully helped to convict a man who was garrotting her, and abusing her for many years. Just because you are shocked and revolted by the things she says about FW doesn't make them any less likely to be true. How WE react/feel about FW should not be part of determining her credibility. That's like saying, I don't like where this is going, therefore I choose not to believe it. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 31. "gaiabetsy" Posted by dustii on 14:45:40 5/18/2000 You do for me what I can't do. Exactly what I was thinking and waiting to get to the end of the posts to say. Mame, you have my respect and admiration as a seeker of truth and justice, as a woman, as a friend and advocate for those without a voice, and as a mother. No WY, I don't think Mame hangs the moon, but I do give credit where credit is due. Of course we don't know as much of the story as Mame does. Mame is the one who has taken this on, who has brought all this forward for us to discuss or digest as we choose. It's done out of a desire for truth and justice, not for want of something better to do with her days, for goodness sake. I, for one, have no problem with stating I believe Bridget's story, and also believe there is a connection. Thats not to say I don't think the R's are not involved, I do. If that makes me a stupid person, then so be it. I can live with that. I am thankful that Mame pursues this for those of us who can't, and I think it's great that she will be putting up a new site. As mary99 says, those of you who don't want to know anything of Bridgets claims etc, need not go there. Simple. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL dustii ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 33. "Hey" Posted by Msracoon on 15:12:06 5/18/2000 Mame! Couldn't pass this thread up. What a gal! What a title to this thread! You are in my prayers and I applaud you for your fearlessness. The enemy of our souls, the devil (refuse to capitalize that word) "prowls around like a lion seeking whom he may devour". He is a liar and the father of ALL lies. He is about 2 feet tall and his only tools/weapons are fear and guilt - would say the former is greater than the latter. You need protection my dear friend Mame and I will do my part in asking for that Protection. "Fear not for He has overcome the world". "ALL THINGS HIDDEN IN DARKNESS WILL BE REVEALED BY HIS LIGHT". A little covering up going on behind the granola curtain? At this point in time me thinks that is a silly question. Bridget's pics are now on my screen saver so that I can remember to pray for her daily. For those who have mistreated children like that your soul is in danger of eternal fire. For Mame and those who seek truth and help others, keep on doing it, it pleases the Father. May He station angels around you and your family forevermore. Do as you are led. God bless you Mame and all other truth seekers and those with hearts full of compassion. I am proud to be a bleeding heart myself. Fear is a spirit and only a spirit and I will fear not!!! Love, Ms.Rac. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 32. "Pinker" Posted by Starling on 14:56:02 5/18/2000 I think mame was referring to others besides herself - maybe MW's attorney....amongst others. "Those following and investigating this story were told if we continued, we'd be discredited, disbarred, and demeaned." Starling [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 34. ""Denver most corrupt judicial district in country"" Posted by maundy on 04:11:50 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 04:11:50, 5/19/2000 The above quote comes from a magazine called MediaBypass (www.4bypass.com). It's kind of a weird little magazine. They published an article about the Franklin Coverup, and I was flipping thru to see if I could order it. Found a very interesting article called, "Inside the Bush Crime Family". I'm not sure who all these names are, but here's a sample: John Dick, named as a Denver-connected person who laundered drug money. John Millman, Denver, laundered drug money. M&L Business machines, Denver, was a cutout for Millman. Blackmail and payoffs of public officials through Boulder Properties, including U.S. Attorney Mike Norton Also named: Attorney from Boulder, Tom Berg Attorney General for CO, Gail Norton M&L corporate attorney Norman Brownstein M&L laundered money of Keatings and Lincoln Savings into an account for M&L called Realty Holdings in Denver, which owns massive amounts of shopping centers across U.S. especially Las Vegas, Colorado, and West Coast. Blackmail thru Boulder Properties, Ltd, which was financed by Silverado Savings Public officials paid with condos in Vail: Judge Sherman Finesilver, Judge Zita Weinshank RMN interviewed Robert Joseph, president of M&L, who told them that M&L was involved in money laundering. Proof of payoffs to federal judges, prosecutors, and FBI agents in the Denver district (related to Grand Jury Case Number 95Y107, U.S. District Court, Denver). Anyways, thought someone might be interested in this info. Correction: Leonard Millman, not John. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 50. "INTERESTING" Posted by DUNT on 02:21:44 5/19/2000 Just wondering if any of the names that you couldn't remember appear on the website www.sbtc.org..... I can't get over the fact that this site exists, and is about technolgy( john's field ) and never gets mentioned. There are a lot of names on there.... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ EMAIL DUNT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 44. "maundy" Posted by Chris on 17:54:50 5/18/2000 I did a Lexis-Nexis search for this article. It didn't come up, but I did find a letter about a book called The Immaculate Deception : The Bush Crime Family Exposed by Russell S. Bowen. I don't know if this is related or not but maybe there is more info in the book that expands on the article you found. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0922356807/qid%3D958697233/103-2235150-5447860 [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 35. "Thanks Mame" Posted by dixie on 16:17:47 5/18/2000 I'm mostly a lurker but I just have to let you know that I support what you have done and continue to do. I was also molested as a child by my own Grandfather, who molested his children, grandchildren and great- grandchildren. This was able to go on for 3 generations till he died because NOBODY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT OR GET INVOLVED AND ROCK THE BOAT. I'm glad that there are people like you willing to listen,believe and help regardless of WHO might want to keep things secret. Just wanted to show my support for you. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 37. "WY !!!!!..." Posted by Pedro on 16:40:43 5/18/2000 .....how are you? hope doing fine. Well, I took this position regarding MW: If you agree with the mainstream, said so, if not, read the daily and stop by the WOR sometimes to have some fun :-). I was educated in a catholic monastery for many years, after that, no blind faith nor friendship wrongly understood drive my opinions. Meantime, JBR killers are having a hell of a good time with a new house and all that, and others are much perseverant on their intentions to have MW's storie turn in to reality, but they can't. Pedro/MidWest. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 36. ""They" say" Posted by lake on 16:37:36 5/18/2000 That the truth will set you free. But we all should know that is a bunch of tripe. The truth can get you in deep $#*! sometimes. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 38. "well, dixie..." Posted by mame on 16:44:29 5/18/2000 you and jane smiley! i bought and read "a thousand acres" long before it won a pulitzer prize. she really rocked the boat, huh? thanks dixie for coming forward. i've received dozens of letters and e-mails just like yours. i treasure every single one! [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 40. "Mame" Posted by Brightlight on 17:11:20 5/18/2000 > I've been threatened bodily and professionally. > Even by the BPD. Talk about an underbelly. > Whoa baby. Sue me. Stalk me. Tap my phones. > Threaten my kids. Here I am, you want me? Go > for it. Just remember if you read my obit in > the Pleasantville Times.... IT WAS NOT AN > ACCIDENT! > > Those following and investigating this story > were told if we continued, we'd be discredited, > disbarred, and demeaned. Guess the games have > begun. The concern is when they start acting on those threats. From one who has been there I understand what you're going through. But with all due respect this is mild compared to what they'll do as you continue. This is not to minimize intimidation as it's a powerful weapon, as are the discrediting campaigns and smear techniques of these pros. There is no greater fear than when one is directly confronted with this evil force. This alone should clue in the naysayers. But for those who've never passed over the line into this big black hole they'll never understand. Forget their opinions; how difficult can it be to never take risks and never know power so evil it threatens the very lives of those who confront it? They demand proof because they've never had to understand those worlds where sensitive information may be the fine line between living or dying. The masses will always go along with whatever they're spoon fed under the guise of authorities or media. Don't waste your time and energy acknowledging them as their opinions are based on ignorance. As you pursue this there will be many more. Ignore them all. Your goal is to get the truth out and keep from being killed in the process. (Excuse me, I believe the politically correct term for this is suicide. Then all the naysayers can say, "See, poor old Mame just couldn't handle it." Screw 'em...you're entering the Big Leagues now, a world the Computer Rambos know not.) They claim they want to know the truth but when presented with it their minds are closed to any possibilities out of their own personal realm of experience. They are the same ones who would believe that a person committed suicide by shooting themselves four times in the back of the head or slashing both wrists to the bone 8 times each and then wiping up the bathroom floors and walls with towels which they then placed in a neat pile before collapsing and dying in the bathtub. Make no mistake...that power and those threats are real. Your reporting simply substantiates what those with eyes to see and ears to hear realized when the BPD ended their alleged investigation into MW's case...that the jig was up. One of the first signs of a cover-up. And a poor one at that considering they didn't even interview some of the primary people involved and gave advance notice to the other few while the vast majority weren't even considered for contact. I have no idea who MW is but because of the actions of the authorities in Boulder I'm well aware that she has become a major threat to someone, somewhere. Obviously, this is more than just a little family problem of MW's. If you weren't exposing truth that powerful people want to keep hidden then you wouldn't be subjected to harassment and intimidation, neither would MW. Your greatest protection at this point is to make this story and yourself as public as possible. Start scheduling yourself on every TV program possible; Leeza, LKL, Geraldo, have Carol McKinley interview you on Fox. Target the top radio stations in Denver and elsewhere, including Peter Boyles...you CAN pry his mind open. Regardless, it's his audience you want in order to get MW's story out to the public, not him. Boyles has always had a low threshold for truth because job security is his number one priority. I know from past personal experience. The Franklin Cover-Up is only one example of far too many in this country who paid with their lives. Remember the fate of another journalist who got too close to the truth, Danny Casolaro, who revealed far less than what you and MW have already revealed...or nuclear power whistle blower, Karen Silkwood? The list of others who exposed the truth and suffered the same fate is far too long to mention here. Make yourself a vocal and visible force publicly. Maintain daily communication with Lee Hill for these are the things that will offer you the greatest protection. And be skeptical of those professionals who claim to be compassionate with your truths for they MAY want only your information in order to enable them to stay a step ahead of you. Your courage is to be admired and I empathize with what you're going through. It's okay to be afraid as long as you keep putting one foot in front of the other and refuse to let 'them' silence you. But conserve your energy for the real battle, not the insignificant ones here. Remember Winston Churchill's words of wisdom: "Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." And that's THE problem...confronted with the truth you haven't hurried off as if nothing happened. Good for you. You have much more support than you may realize. Focus on that support and draw strength from all who dare to take a stand. Continue to make their world hell on earth for those who work on the side of evil. And ignore those who belittle you for doing so. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 39. "Mame" Posted by docg on 17:11:12 5/18/2000 One more thing. Please stop already with the "she left her pets" bit. Because it is making me sick. What does it mean "she left her pets"? This is supposed to make us sympathize with her? WHERE did she leave those pets? Did you even bother to ask? Or care? And another thing too. Did you ever ask her THIS question? "Are YOU guilty of abuse? Have YOU ever abused anyone, human OR animal?" [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 42. "Brightlight" Posted by Seashell on 17:43:37 5/18/2000 As always, your posts leave me speechless (for at least a few minutes). Threats and intimidation of this nature only occur when someone is trying to hide something; in this case something about MW, since that's when the intimidation started. When put that way, it's pretty simple. MW is a big threat to someone and it isn't becuz she a loose cannon - it's obviously becuz she knows something. It may not have anything to do with the murder that night, but it sure seems to have something to do with someone who's powerful in Boulder and possibly even someone in the BPD. Put that together with what Maundy posted about the corruption in Boulder/Denver and even the ostriches might pull their heads out of the sand. A big porn ring was busted in the Denver area shortly after the murder. Denver, I heard you. Are you going to help MW set up a Net site? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 41. "Is there a confused couch in here?" Posted by v_p on 17:33:53 5/18/2000 I am way lost... V. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 43. "What's the matter?" Posted by Shaggy on 17:47:13 5/18/2000 Some of you don't want others discussing what you don't agree with? I think that's what it comes down to. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 46. "Seashell" Posted by Brightlight on 18:00:42 5/18/2000 > MW is a big threat to someone and it isn't > becuz she a loose cannon - it's obviously > becuz she knows something. It may not have > anything to do with the murder that night, > but it sure seems to have something to do > with someone who's powerful in Boulder and > possibly even someone in the BPD. Put that > together with what Maundy posted about the > corruption in Boulder/Denver and even the > ostriches might pull their heads out of the > sand. Yep. MW is a BIG threat to someone. Because of what she knows. Someone who is powerful, indeed. I thought Maundy's post was extremely interesting and revealing. Are the ostriches coming up for air yet? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 45. "M'dear Mame" Posted by pip on 18:00:36 5/18/2000 Here's what I think. I think the possible Ramsey connection was what piqued your initial interest in Bridget - but before long a "newsworthy" situation evolved into a deep human connection; a friendship. To you Bridget THE PERSON became important. You moved on to caring about Bridget and her story, regardless of its relevance to the case...but others continued to view Bridget's value in terms of the bearing her story had on finding justice for JonBenet. The truth is, and has always been and has always been told, that there may or may not be a connection. Because of your personal involvement with Bridget, you transcended the "case focus" long ago and looked instead to supporting her mission - to tell her story in hopes that it would help others. If the "others" helped included those of us who want justice for JonBenet, so much the better. Bridget's courage in coming forward has already helped. She has raised awareness of a very real (though denied) societal scurge. She has stimulated conversation about a controversial topic that many people tend to avoid. Bridget has spoken her truth knowing that many would discredit her. She named names that some don't want to hear; deference to the wealthy and powerful? We're used to that here. I fully support Bridget in her mission, and Mame, I support your efforts as well. Bridget's connection to the Ramseys really wasn't ever the ISSUE, was it? That was just the boat that brought her to us. We have supported each other though heartbreaking diseases such as cancer, the loss of loved ones, close-calls and other crises that had NOTHING to do with the case...can't we find it in our hearts to support a woman with her own painful journey? If not...scroll on. That's ok too. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 47. "as usual" Posted by MadT on 18:42:16 5/18/2000 I have very little to say that hasn't already been said...HOWEVER.... among all of today's unsettling events, one of the most unsettling of all is my continuing dismay at seeing the words "bleeding" and "ass" in the same thread title. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 48. "facts vs blind faith" Posted by Maggie on 20:51:14 5/18/2000 pat, I think you accurately described the position of many here, those who are willing to be convinced, but need a little more information before they take a stand on Bridget's connection to this case. I personally am following the story closely because I don't believe Mary Suma or Chris Wheeler are total pushovers. Also, I believe if either of them learn of any concrete evidence that Bridget is a fraud, they will tell us. Denver, I wish she would put all the facts into the hands of the excellent researchers here at JW. That's a lot of dedicated research power that could be working in her favor. Whether her experiences have any bearing on JBR's murder or not, her abusers need to have their power over her (and any other victims) stripped away. Exposure will accomplish that, IMO. Longhorn and pip, ditto everything you both said. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 49. "chris" Posted by maundy on 04:05:28 5/19/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 04:05:28, 5/19/2000 A quote from that book is used in the article. The article is by Uri Dowbenko about Stewart Webb. I did a search on Webb at hotbot, and his name came up on a list of militia groups operating out of Colorado. The list is put out by the ADL, which is not a good sign for Webb. I tried to look up some of the names in the article, with limited success. There are a lot of companies called "Something" Realty Holdings, Inc but I did find one listing of properties in Las Vegas held by Realty Holdings, Inc. Mike Norton and Judge Finesilver turned up on a controversial ruling on the Rockwell/Rocky Flats grand jury result. Apparently the grand jurors wanted rockwell to be prosecuted, and Norton declined. According to the article, the president of M&L testified to a grand jury. Testimony became public 5/94. Doesn't say when RMN article publlished. That's all I have, other than the article, which isn't footnoted. Rose Law Firm is mentioned alot, and I do know Jackson Stephens and Stephens, Inc have their fingers in all kinds of pies including BCCI, Iran-Contra, Johnny Huang, and toxic waste dumping. Edited to add: Millman's first name is actually Leonard and he's Webb's father-in-law. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 51. "Arkansas has a long reach" Posted by Cassandra on 08:19:11 5/19/2000 It's amazing how many strange things have an Arkansas link. Cassie [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 52. "Cassie" Posted by Bobby on 18:45:34 5/19/2000 Wow, as I was reading this thread I was thinking of Whitewater and Haddon, etc. You are too much! How about Romer and the DNC until last year? Hmmmm Arkansas has a very long reach. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 53. "Bobby..." Posted by Cassandra on 07:27:22 5/20/2000 And, who is an attorney for the First Bubba? [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 54. "Maundy-Denver Judicial Corruption" Posted by straykat2 on 08:48:52 5/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 08:48:52, 5/20/2000 Your post above about Denver judicial corruption is very accurate. Let's not forget Frederico Pena who was once mayor of Denver before becoming Secretary of Transportation. He was the mayor of Denver during the Silverado S&L scandal (Neil Bush was on the Board of Directors), and he helped pave the way for DIA. He is connected to Brownstein & Hyatt which is connected to Haddon. These players are all connected in various ways to Lockheed Martin. Media Bypass is an interesting magazine. Edited to add: I love a good conspiracy. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 55. "Mame" Posted by straykat2 on 09:02:30 5/20/2000 I once sent you a personal email regarding some experiences I have had with the DAs office. Their standard MO when someone might possibly expose negative information about them is to discredit, demean/humiliate, and intimidate them into silence. I am glad you are not letting this stop you. We live in a free country. One would think these gestapo tactics ended with Hitler. Regarding MW, her story is important and I am glad you are pursuing it. Perhaps her story should be kept separate from the JBR case just in case she is being "used" by the Ramsey Team to offer reasonable doubt as to who murdered JBR. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 57. "First Bubba" Posted by maundy on 12:04:15 5/20/2000 cassie and Bobby, what is Haddon's connection to Clinton? Straykat, the article said Gail Brown went to B&H afte leaving the Attorney General's office and the next AG came from there. I have a little story about the objectivity of the press. In Newsweek - I believe it was the issue which described Lewinsky as a stalker - there was a small article by a reporter eulogizing James McDougal. He said McDougal had been ready to begin namng names. At the White House Press Correspondents dinner that year, that reporter got an award and thanked McDougal in his acceptance speech. When the MC returned to the podium he made a comment like, Well, that was an uncomfortable moment. Clinton, of course, was present. Mothing like an objective press. BTW, Clinton's jokes that year were awful. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 56. ""Bridget" and Mame" Posted by Shamrockpati on 11:55:42 5/20/2000 NOTE: This message was last edited 11:55:42, 5/20/2000 I just finally listened to your latest broadcast. The only thing I take umbridge with is that you appear to be leading Bridget with questions and answers...you are giving most of the information and she's just agreeing with you....I also am beginning to think and please please don't take offense to this...that you and Bridget are being used by the Ramsey spin team to discredit Fleet White and his family. Bridget practically comes out and states that FW killed JonBenet. And now you both met Lou Smit....the Rams paid lackey....and think he's a nice guy. A "seeker of the truth" yes the Ramsey Truth.....this made me want to barf. And now the Boulder authorities state that Bridget's mother and niece were not in Boulder on Christmas 1996 for the "party". what's with that. How did they travel, it's fairly easy to check travel records, gas purchases by credit cards, hotel rooms other people who were at the party.....so if they weren't there......this is nothing but a fabricated story. So I just hope that your not being used by the Rams Mame....and that Bridget continues her therapy. She appears to be sincere and was abused but her story....may just be that part of the abuse. She may be looking for the publicity to stop her own abuse....by putting her abuse and JonBenet's murder together. I think if the FBI is going to investigate this thoroughly and we can get the real story. I am hoping that the Whites come out sometime and adress this issue. We would like to hear their side of this "story". [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 58. "MAJOR CORRECTION" Posted by mame on 13:12:57 5/20/2000 "Bridget" has never, ever named a name, in public, or said she knows who killed Jonbenet Ramsey!!! I have never said either of those things either! Your other criticisms are well taken. But, please don't say something that was not said! It never was... [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 60. "Mame" Posted by Shamrockpati on 20:00:47 5/20/2000 Ok Bridget didn't "name" names...but she said that the person who killed JohnBenet was the person from the family that was in Boulder at the Christmas party...etc. etc...now who do YOU think it is? Come on.....without "naming names" the only person this could be is FW or someone in FW's family at that party.............you asked her outright in that last intervew who killed JonBenet...and she strongly insinuated this. It dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ] 59. "in case i didn't make clear" Posted by maundy on 15:17:06 5/20/2000 ...there is a hero in my story: the reporter getting the award. [ REMOVE ] [ ALERT ] [ EDIT ] [ REPLY ] [ REPLY WITH QUOTE ] [ TOP ] [ MAIN ]